MLM Lead System Pro vs. Online MLM Mastermind System??

by ER70275 38 replies
Which system would you choose and why?
Thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Hardy Usman
    Both offers $1 trial. Why don't you give it a shot?
  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    My instinct is they are both B.S. that will hurt you in
    building a sustainable business. Programs of this nature
    will try to get you to promote the affiliate program
    itself - and the notion is that you make a "back end"
    offer of your real business. Not a good idea. I've tested
    things like this.

    If you want to sell vitamins and enroll vitamin distributors -
    do that. Be transparent and tell people about your
    business. Don't waste your time marketing "lead generation
    systems" to people in other companies as an affiliate.

    I've been doing this for awhile. I've seen these things come
    and go. They won't help you build your mlm much at all -
    it's just a trap to sell you on video marketing gimmicks
    and social networking nonsense. That's my opinion from
    what I've seen. It's unfair, yeah - but I can virtually
    guarantee you if you get caught-up in one of these things
    your energy will be redirected from your "primary" company
    into promoting the "all the same" lead capture pages
    they'll give you.
    • Profile picture of the author 7figurehelper
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      My instinct is they are both B.S. that will hurt you in
      building a sustainable business. Programs of this nature
      will try to get you to promote the affiliate program
      itself - and the notion is that you make a "back end"
      offer of your real business. Not a good idea. I've tested
      things like this.

      If you want to sell vitamins and enroll vitamin distributors -
      do that. Be transparent and tell people about your
      business. Don't waste your time marketing "lead generation
      systems" to people in other companies as an affiliate.

      I've been doing this for awhile. I've seen these things come
      and go. They won't help you build your mlm much at all -
      it's just a trap to sell you on video marketing gimmicks
      and social networking nonsense. That's my opinion from
      what I've seen. It's unfair, yeah - but I can virtually
      guarantee you if you get caught-up in one of these things
      your energy will be redirected from your "primary" company
      into promoting the "all the same" lead capture pages
      they'll give you.

      This is the first time I will have to disagree with you to an extent. Yes most people get attraction marketing wrong, heck even I did when first starting out.

      But then I realized you always have to examine what people are saying and change it up. You must sound different. I've had more success using MLSP than I did building my former companies the traditional way.

      I don't know about others but I love having a system that weeds out the time wasters. I love making money in my sleep off people that don't even join me in my opp. I can sleep good about it b/c I know what I'm offering truly has value that has helped me grow my biz.

      I disagree with Charles 100% about starting your own funded proposal. It takes a lot of hard work, money, energy, resources, and time. Why not leverage what someone else has done.

      I believe you can have more than 1 target market. Promote the system to network marketers and promote your biz to those looking to get started in that industry.

      It works for me well. You just HAVE TO BE YOURSELF AND NOT SOUND LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

      In my opinion and this is it, most that are doing attraction marketing are "throwing up" the same way when you meet someone and they just blast their biz opp on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author kerry29
    I tried them both. Loren has a point, don't get distracted from your primary business. HOWEVER, I am a fan of the Mastermind system (having left MLMLSP). The way I use it it to promote my primary business. I create custom capture pages directly related and promoting my primary business that lead them to my primary sales page.

    Currently, I use the "lead generating" system as a secondary measure. The key is to stay focused on your primary business.

    I hope this helps!
    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      You can also do that without using the Mastermind system. IMHO, both suck.

      Originally Posted by kerry29 View Post

      I tried them both. Loren has a point, don't get distracted from your primary business. HOWEVER, I am a fan of the Mastermind system (having left MLMLSP). The way I use it it to promote my primary business. I create custom capture pages directly related and promoting my primary business that lead them to my primary sales page.

      Currently, I use the "lead generating" system as a secondary measure. The key is to stay focused on your primary business.

      I hope this helps!
  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    ER:

    I can see both sides.

    I think that you need to be your own Mike Dillard.

    My opinion, write your own funded proposal system. It is not that hard when you think about it. The point is to get them into your funnel.

    If you use ANY other funded proposal system, you will be on their autorresponder and yours. And if they attracted you in the first place, who do you think they are going to listen to? Who has more authority, them or you? My bet is them.

    How many times do you see MLM Lead System Pro and some dudes don't even bother to change the copy? That makes them leaders that I want to follow?

    If you are challenged in writing one, PM me, and I will write and create one for specifically for you. You can use it for the people you attract and your prospects will get one set of messages.

    Why go through all the trouble of getting traffic and share the list with somebody else?

    Charles
  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    Exactly Charles. Dillard is smart - he has the power.

    When you use his system you don't get the same power.
    You pay the advertising bill and he collects power whether you
    succeed or fail.

    As long as your business model is built around promoting an
    affiliate site and somebody else's name you are in a position
    of weakness. When you own the system you promote it to
    build your own power. As long as prospects know it is not
    of your creation your leadership power is fragile.

    I maybe should not even write this here. I don't want
    too many people knowing this is the way it really works.
    • Profile picture of the author David Frey
      I can speak with authority about this because I DO in fact, make a large
      sum of money each month from my network marketing business.

      I'm the #2 money earner in my company. I've been the #2 money earner
      for 3 years and running. I'm the all-time #1 recruiter.

      I highly recommend to people who want to be successful in network
      marketing to reach out to their family and friends in the first 90 days
      of joining a business.

      As much as you don't want to hear that, it's proven time and again, that
      tapping into existing relationships by reaching out to people that you
      already know is the absolute fastest way to start your business.

      When you eventually run through your entire warm market list, you should
      then start working through the warm market list of the people that you've
      brought into the business.

      Doing these two things in your first year will help you become successful.

      __________________________________________________ ___________

      Here's what happens to people who rely on the internet and templated
      lead generation systems to generate leads...
      __________________________________________________ ____________


      They get heavily involved in the internet marketing part of the business
      and eventually lose interest in and drop out of their primary business.

      I've seen this happen again, and again, and again, and again...FIRST HAND.

      There is a significant educational process and ramp up to learn online lead
      generation. It takes skills.

      Skills which are NOT duplicateable.

      Not even the simplest internet marketing systems are duplicateable because
      they all require some level of technical capability.

      __________________________________________________

      Have you ever heard of the "Grandma Nadine Rule"
      __________________________________________________ _

      The Grandma Nadine Rule states that if your grandma can't
      do it, it's not duplicateable.

      Network Marketing is all about getting LOTS of people to do
      4 simple steps.

      1. Ask people if they're interested in making some extra money.

      2. Giving them a CD, DVD, report, online video or some 3rd party
      tool to watch or read.

      3. Asking them if they have any questions and then signing them
      up.

      4. Teaching the person you signed up to do step 1-3 over and
      over again.

      __________________________________________________ __

      Now if you're dead set on using the internet to prospect...
      __________________________________________________ __

      Do this...

      1. Create your own 60 minute audio CD that has something
      to do with your primary business.

      2. Create a landing page and get people to request it.

      3. Send them the CD and follow up with them.

      But you know, what I've just told you is NOT duplicateable
      and the people you bring in will say, "How can I make that
      CD like you did?" and you'll be spending most of your time
      helping people make CD's rather than introducing the business
      to other people.

      _____________________________________________

      Now before anyone starts ripping on me...
      _____________________________________________

      ...let me ask you.

      Have you built a team of 8,000 reps in a non-internet based
      network marketing company?

      Have you made over $1 million in network marketing?

      Have you been doing it full time for over 3 years?

      If not, you're probably not qualified to dispute what I'm
      trying to teach you because you simply don't have the
      experience.

      Stop messing around with other people's lead generation systems.

      Go out to your warm market. If you're not willing to do that, then
      network marketing is probably not for you.

      All the best.

      David Frey
      MarketingBestPractices .com

      P.S. With that said...if you're dead set on using the internet for
      prospecting. Stop doing network marketing. Focus on internet
      marketing for at least 1 year. Build a list that loves you. THEN
      introduce your network marketing business. But don't try to do
      both at the same time. It's a recipe for going no where.
    • Profile picture of the author megaplex
      Cetting Flipped,

      these guru's say hey dont promote your company promote yourself and I'll show you how, jsut promote me and my guru stuff instead.

      So now instead of promoting your company or even promoteing yourself you end up promoting the Guru's and his stuff.

      There needs to be some way of addressing this Guru flip.

      Promoting the company is ok but companies come and go and we also come and go from companies. So there is a lot of advertising leverage the companies gain for free.

      Promoting the Guru is ok but Guru's come and go and we also follow and un follow Guru's. So there is a lot of advertising leverage the Guru's gian for free at our expence.

      Surely there's a work around here, between the three parties,
      1. You
      2. Guru
      3. Company
      No mastter something has to change because the Guru's and the companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

      M



      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      Exactly Charles. Dillard is smart - he has the power.

      When you use his system you don't get the same power.
      You pay the advertising bill and he collects power whether you
      succeed or fail.

      As long as your business model is built around promoting an
      affiliate site and somebody else's name you are in a position
      of weakness. When you own the system you promote it to
      build your own power. As long as prospects know it is not
      of your creation your leadership power is fragile.

      I maybe should not even write this here. I don't want
      too many people knowing this is the way it really works.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
      Originally Posted by AjAllDay View Post

      Hey everybody!! I'm having trouble deciding which system to go with. I 'm currently on both systems and been through all of the trainings for each one. I plug into the training calls for each system as well. I'm more involved with MLM LEAD SYSTEM PRO because I set my aweber account up and set my 1st campaign up. However, I'm having a really hard time in deciding which ststem to go with. If anyone with "experience" has any insight they could share with me in helping me decide, it would be highly appreciated. For example, which system is better now and why?? Which system do you think will be better in the future and why?? Once again, I highly appreciate it. Thanks so much.
      That is simple,dude. Whichever one helps you to put the most people in your business.

      Having said that, David Frey is the 800 pound gorilla in one particular opportunity I know of. I think he has valuable insight.

      I would say my insight is valuable too in my above post (IMHO)

      Charles
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  • Profile picture of the author TerryMil
    David Frey what is the MLM company you are with?
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  • Profile picture of the author hk
    Great Insight, David. Thank you!

    I have been doing internet marketing (mainly as an affiliate) for 6 years and made a few million dollars. Have been thinking about entering MLM on net, but decided not to do so after reading David's post. Thanks.
  • Profile picture of the author ethan97
    With all due respect to David...

    - there are internet-based MLM prospecting systems that anyone with desire can step right into and succeed without a significant ramp-up to learn online lead generation, but they are proprietary and used strictly within the groups that created them and are not for sale (to my knowledge) outside the particular organizations

    - I personally know three people who are full-time in network marketing and have easily made over $1 million in the business. Two of the three built large organizations largely online, the third built about half of his business online. Nothing wrong with learning how to build locally, belly to belly, but it isn't the end all and is not required for success.

    I think David is keenly aware that 95% or more of the "build your MLM online" stuff is garbage and will lead down a path to failure. His insights are valuable. This does not mean, however, that a successful business can't be built online - it just takes exceptional leadership with solid training and tools.

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