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Now I know what the bonuses are worth? Just because he is charging a said price for them doesn't make them worth that. Why would I send back mass control until I change my thinking? The issue is with Matt and his selling ethics, not Frank and the mass control product. The fact you think it's perfectly fine and OK with him changing his mind and say I'm "bitching" by calling him out on it says volumes about your own ethics. Please clearly label any products you have for sale so I'll make sure you don't get any of my business. Matt, you could have easily released all the bonuses except the CPA course, keeping your word and integrity to all your customers. BTW, the one-click upsell, downsell, variable billing cycles, etc. advertised in your shopping cart have been available in Ultracart for years. Sorry, you can't claim exclusivity to those features. As far as telling support I bought through another affiliate link? One lie doesn't justify another. I won't do that. | |
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Glad Matt mentioned a kink with the shipping. I was looking at my expected date of arrival and I thought an old man was bringing it on bicycle! lol.I guess with high ticket items everything gets a bit magnified. | |
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Thanks for the reply, I was just confused because on your shopping cart, you put 2 options, one for MC customers and the other is for non MC customers, but you didn't specify MC1 or MC2 ,now you made it clear, thanks again[by the way and for curiosity, how you'll confirm the ownership of MC for the buyers, I see that I can go and order through the lower price tag link without being asked for such a confirmation, just a question I ask to learn something ]And by the way, as one who is involved in this, I don't mind you selling the course, I followed the conversation on your blog and saw how many MC1 customers asked for getting CPA course for money, and I wondered why you don't do so? And yes, it has a value now, even if it's overpriced (and I don't think so), you still have to pay that price to get access to it, so this price is its real market value, so the bonus is actually now worth $1188 for the shopping cart, plus $497, making it $1685 worth! , without counting the free landing page that can be used as a model as many times as you wish! and beleive me, having such a successful winner model to replicate for different niches worth a fortune of money and hours of effort! Thanks Matt again, waiting for details when this amazing bonus will arive. | |
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Personally I would have tried an apology to all those people who purchased via your link thinking they were getting something that nobody else would get hold off Matt, that's what you told them, you may well have found an apology went a long way here rather than covering your back. My 2 cents... | ||||||
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Mass Control in itself is rather comprehensive and heaps to learn. Then to add to the learning with bonuses that require one to spend another 50+ hours of learning. Wow... when will guys ever get a chance to DO rather than LEARN. I know learning is important, but it makes you no money. Doing is what makes the money. Would be nice to see some bonuses that are software tools or graphic design jobs etc. Seems the majority of bonuses are just info products of some sort or the other. |
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Congratulations to you for never changing your mind. Meaning you said one thing but then changed your mind when you got additional information. Glass houses my friend. I am sure you are a far better person than the rest of us. Good for you. | |
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This has been one the biggest BS posts I have read to date. I love how so many people jump up on their soap boxes. Ok if you want to get Trainer's bonus than cough up the money and then contact Kern's support to get a different bonus. You can pay the 1k or whatever Matt is charging. The exclusivity made it more valuable huh? BULL****... The information in the bonus is what sold it not the exclusivity. Don't accept the bonus, call the support and change the affiliate link to get a different bonus. I don't consider the prices Matt is charging as cheap. Do you? Personally I am tired of all the same **** on this forum from people that just complain. Instead of looking at the info that Matt is giving, people just bitch and moan about other things. I can see why most people don't get anywhere in this business or in life. My 2 cents.... | |
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And I don't know why you're acting like the big brother or the one who knows it all, people may have different points of view, I don't know why you're attacking everyone here, just submit your opinion and others are mature enough to determine what's right and what's wrong, If your 2 cents are offensive for others, plz keep them for yourself | |
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No big brother here just someone who does more than complain. If what I have said hurts than maybe you should change yourself. Most of the people here that complain are not what I would want as customers anyway. They are normally too much trouble. | |
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My whole point is Matt promised one thing then did an about face for no reason other than more $. He posted a nice reply however it failed to include an admission of responsibility for the violation of his word. If Matt thinks it's OK to trade integrity for money, then of course no responsibility will be assumed. To say MC 1.0 owners should have access to the bonuses is silly. Since I bought 2.0 should I not get access to the bonuses offered when 1.0 was sold? Instead of polling his whole list, he should have polled the MC 2.0 buyers and asked if they minded him selling the bonuses, as it was this subset group the promise not to release the course would be broken. Anyway, it is what it is. Again, stating people should switch affiliate IDs is another lie and doesn't right anything. | |
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Of course there are circumstances where I've changed my mind when additional information is presented. If changing my mind causes me to go against my previous given word, then there better be serious implications for not changing it (somebody getting hurt, mortal wounds, etc.). What are the implications if Matt didn't release the bonuses? Lost potential for a few $$'s. There were easy solutions ... he would have not released the bonuses publicly or released all but the CPA course. Instead, he chose dollar signs. So be it, what's done is done. Peace all. | |
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He doesn't have to poll his list. It is his product and he can choose what he wants to do. The fact of the matter is business is a lot better than having to deal with people who complain about mundane things. Again, I am assuming you purchased through Matt's link to get his info. Why would you otherwise. Now you complain that others who will pay a lot of money to get access to it. That is limiting frame of mind which you see on here quite frequently. Why do you think a lot of the people that we could learn a lot from don't come here. It is because of the whiners and complainers which you seem to be a part of. I am literally shocked by these types of posts. The information Matt is providing hasn't changed since you purchased. He just changed his mind since his customers who purchased from him before wanted his information. It doesn't make the information any less effective. Honestly, I really shouldn't even post in these threads because I don't need the aggravation either. I just never understood these types of posts but than again most of the people if not all that are complaining are not getting anywhere. Now please go back to the bitching. I am sorry for interfering with your complaints. Have a nice day. | |
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I agree with those calling Matt out. Sometimes, providing limited access to good strategies makes them worth much more. In this case, the CPA bs might be great and now that he's selling it to others it could dillute the market in the short term. I think the main issue here is that we saw all the snake-oil salesmen come out when MC 2.0 was released. Rather than Matt sticking to his word, he chose $ and alienated present and future customers. At least Kern has the juice to stop selling MC when it is sold out. I'm just glad I didn't buy from Matt and I'm sorry for those that did. |
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If not, they why are you participating in this "bitch" - fest with all us? Hmmm? Kettle Pot Black | |
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No one here is looking for being a customer for you, and I don't know where're the admins from your language and style in conversation, may be big post numbers allow some people to be arrogant and dishonour others, The best thing to do with someone like you is to ignore..no more... | |
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By the way, I didn't complain about what Matt did, and I posted my opinion in an early post and thanked Matt for showing up and clear the confusion, and told Matt that I am as someone involved in this (I doubt you Thomas are) don't mind if he is selling the course for money, I just care about receiving what I was promised, that's all, what pissed me really off is your way in discussion, and accuse others of being trouble makers and amateurs for posting their opinions here.
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| More like too much stupid in the Warrior Forum. What else can it be when you have people justifying deceptive marketing practices, or being ok with marketers ignoring one of their key USPs by doing exactly what they said they wouldn't do? This industry struggles for credibility every day because of crap just like this, yet some believe it's not a big deal, lol. Their reasoning? Well, it's xyz's product, so xyz can mislead and go back on his word if he/she wants, lol. Too too funny. By the way, STILL haven't received notification from Kern on how to claim my copy of Mass Control 2.0 because I'm an original buyer of 1.0. I guess we'll have to wait another year to get this version, if ever, since we never received the original version as promised. |
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Matt made a statement he would not release the course then he did, without admittance of a mistake. I don't like being lied to. That is the point. If someone tells an untruth about something small, then what other important points may they not be telling the truth about | |
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Anyone heard from Matt Trainer? He posted a very basic video as the first video of the CPA course 3 days ago, announcing that he will update the course every day, but nothing is happening, and he didn't contact us for the shopping cart access yet, ? What's going on? I'm starting to feel bad about this!! |
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He also tried to buy back the shopping cart bonus for $100 LOL. My admin told me he posted a comment on his blog politely requesting if the $50k was gross or net and possibly provide some screen caps of proof. Of course, the comment was not published. It's not like we've done anything for him like putting $1k in commissions in his pocket. I don't know why people stand for this type of POOR treatment from some of these gurus. Lately, it's been outrageous. Arbitrage Conspiracy (marketing claims, refund switch, etc), PPC Classroom 2.0 (forum access well not really), Matt's failure to deliver any of the bonuses (he did say Feb 23-24th in his email), etc. Matt, you need to step up and deliver the bonuses. | |
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I just set up a private forum on Ning just for Mass Control users. It’s private and invite only, so anything discussed won’t be seen by the general public and won’t appear in search engines. Our discussions will be password protected. I got Mass Control 2.0 on Tuesday, and I look forward to sharing knowledge and tracking each other’s progress! Email me if you’re interested in participating. Please include your Warrior Forum nick in your email so I know who you are. MassControlPete@Yahoo.com Hope to see you there! Pete |
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I think part of the reason bonuses are not offered 100% yet is because we are still in the refund period.
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Hey goldmind if you are so unhappy with the bonus then check up with frank's support team. I heard that if you contact them and let them know that for whatever reason you want to be signed up under another affiliate this should be no problem. I'm sure that the other affiliate wouldn't mind =) Anyways I'm not 100 postive about that but you should give it a shot, could save you and others a lot of nerves and time/energy. My 2 cents |
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Ok, an update today from Matt, the delay was because of technical issues, ok, that's what I was looking for, any explanation and I'll be understanding,
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Yes, video two did come out today. It's all about traffic. Summary: - use ppc, ppv and media buys. - to learn ppc watch the adwords videos on google's site - Only use Yahoo as google is a pain with slaps. - PPV is targeted traffic but isn't - You can make millions with PPV - To learn PPV, get PPV Formula - Media Buys = unlimited traffic - You need at least $10k (maybe $5k). - You have to deal with people and sign contracts - Make sure you get a 48 hour rescind contract clause (out clause). "That's it for traffic!". Wow, when he said he'd be painting broad strokes he wasn't kidding. The course is a joke ... people who didn't get in on it, you are missing NOTHING. |
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What was the commission payout schedule for MC 2 on the payment plan? The payment plan put it being paid off right at the 60 day refund period... so it should be the same I would guess. Anyway, I paid it off 4/17 and I am waiting on a "cash rebate" bonus from the affiliate I purchased through... pretty sure he should have gotten his commissions by now, but looking to confirm with someone who actually knows. Thanks, Michael |
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Mass Control goes back on sale this Friday June 12th, 2009. According to Frank there are only 800 units to be sold and this may be the last time Mass Control is ever offered. I just put the finishing touches on my shiny new bonus package... let the bonus wars begin! Frank Kern Mass Control 2.0 Bonus Offer - Jason James |
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One year subscription to the Pro version of SEnuke! Visit my blog for more info. |
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Hey Jason, What's up? Great meeting you at the Mass Control seminar. Craig Beckta |
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Hey Craig, Whats up dude... nice meetin you too. FYI Amanda... Frank told me himself he's not cool with rebates |
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It's that time again, and Frank Kern's Mass Control goes live again tomorrow afternoon, the usual crazy stuff with Bonus is sure to be in full gear. Frank was cool enough to give me an affiliate, and here is what I've decided to do. I've been marketing since 1998. In the trading niche (day trading stocks, forex, emini's) I'm considered something of a secret weapon by the top players, but I've stayed behind the scenes. On the 19th my client will be on ABC 20/20, we used Mass Control on the producers to get im there. I think my bonus is going to be the most helpful, because I'm going to work with you one on one and show you how I have applied Mass Control to add over $8million in value to my clients business' this year. I don't have a single product of my own, not one. I just launch websites and refine people's business using a splash of Mass Control, a big ole dash of PLF and some of my own magic dust as well. I typically charge $10,000 plus 25% of the profits to do a launch, but I owe Frank big time for everything I've learned from him. So, for the first FIVE people who buy from my link will work with me on their launch to make sure they are successful. Most IM big wig's give you a bonus of some software, or a report or a landing page. But, if you've not used Mass Control, there are subtle things that a person who's "been there and done that" can help you with. If your serious about your success you need to buy Mass Control (even if it's not from my link, I still think you should have it). If you'd like to have a real helping hand, from a real person as you launch your business, then consider buying from my link, which I'll post tomorrow. Brandon |
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I tend to not talk about who my clients are because a lot of guys in the stock market, forex market, emini market etc do not want their clients to know that they market aggressively since that can cause a lot of hostility. Tim is one of my client though and he has been kind enoug to let me use him as a testimonial. He is one of the smartest guys out there, before I even came on board he was doing nearly $30,000 per month almost 100% from Facebook and Twitter. (you know the type of stuff all kinds of broker marketers try to sell courses about doing, even though they dont do it themselves...I guess they are reporters :-) ) |
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I'll be announcing a bonus at 10 am tomorrow on my ProfitMoffatt.TV show. Plus I'll let you see some sneak peaks of the inside. I can tell you Brandon (above) is a Mass Control/PLF launching maniac. Dude has been crushing it hard lately. |
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David and I have put the finishing touches on our bonus for Mass Control, and I really think its the most helpful one out there. Here is what we are offering. Full consultation with us for your product launch Complete JV Management for your launch A totally free critique of your sales letter (David wrote the sales letter for the #1 product on clickbank) Complete Strategic analysis of your launch and story. Right now we are charging anywhere from $10,000 to $30,000 upfront, plus as much as 1/3 of the profits a launch generates, and we won't work with anyone unless we think our cut will come to $150,000. That means if your new to IM, you probably would not be able to get our help. Here are a few of our clients. The Adwords Manifesto -$750,000 the first week The CB Code - Currently the #1 product on CB Tim Sykes - Earnings have grown from about $20/$30k per month to over $100K Wall Street Window - over $150,000 in products sold in under 30 hours Toni Hansen - From $8000 a month to $40,000 a month in sales MBTrading - The largest direct access trading firm I could go on, but I think you get the point. This isnt some lame guru bonus where I put together some of my old products and give them to you. I'm actually giving you the most valuable resource I have, MY TIME. I'm doing it because there are three four people I feel like I owe big time in this industry, and Kern is one of them. Link is in my sig. |
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Man you guys are amazing... I got to step up my game.. just added a 4 Week Social Media Marketing Boot Camp. I'll finally reveal how I got nearly 38,000 Twitter followers and how i'll probabaly have over 100,000 in the next 2 months and how my methods can be easily duplicated. Plus a whole lot of other cool stuff... Frank Kern Mass Control 2.0 Bonus Offer - Jason James |
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Thanks Jason - I'd have to say that the people I've gotten the most from are you, Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, Bob Serling and my old partner Jeff Tappan. Anyway I'm excited to be part of this launch, and any sales I get will be cos of your video hijacker and RFM methods. This is totally a side note, but my little sister closed on a house two weeks ago and just found out she lost her job today at the hospital. I'm probably going to hire her as my JV manager/assistant because she's got an insane work ethic, but I also showed her the video hijacker stuff, and she's going to use that over on Youtube to try to bring in some $$$ too, she's got three people talking to her right now, nothing closed up yet. Brandon |
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Just to let you know guys, someone's selling Mass Control on eBay here: ttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&i tem=130311756968 I'd buy it, but I can't even afford it at this discounted price :'( I reckon it should go to someone that deserves it! |
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