ebuyer123

Hi,

I don't understand why this weir googleshadows folk, with merely 3 kws per campaign, yet still can make tonnes of money.

Also I don't get it is that why this googleshadow folk didn't take these 3 highly profitable kws to building a minisite for organic traffic? If I were him, I will build a minisite, QUICKLY get some one-way back links from various high PR sites to my own site, and enjoy my days without the hassle of PPC stuff.

One last thing...why NON of the keyword webppcspy tool out there be able to picking him up (i.e. I mean his highly profitable 3-kw campaigns) for so long?

Anyway I will get googleshadow once it is made available and use it in conjunction with my minisite backlinking strategy. However, the MAIN difficulty of my strategy is to to be able to find tonnes of **high PR** websites that would allow me for placing back links to my own minisites.

Can somebody also comment on Googleshadow for weather or not it is potentially suitable for newbies who usually haven't got TONNES of money to burn in PPC campaigns?

Regards,

ebuyer123

Get it for FREE: << PPC Web Spy - The Best Dynamic KEYWORD Tool in 2010 - PPC Web Spy >>

George Montagu Brown

Hey Ebuyer, was about to make a post myself.. since I hadn't seen any threads about it, and I'm abit surprised to be honest as it's looking like a huge launch and it is coming out TOMMOROW lol...

Yeah, I'd say it was very newbie friendly.

Example: For my normal PPC campaigns I'd spend between 400 and 500 dollars to see if it was profitable. Google Shadow's a bit different largely due to having no landing page and only a handfull of keywords.

I think with the Shadow strategy you should expect to spend about $50 per product to see if it's profitable or not.

And yeah I know... The whole concept is crazy. You just have to see it for yourself, I got a brief look at the JV copy and it really is a system like nothing I've seen before... Whether it works or not remains to be seen but you can't deny the proof on the pre launch video.

You can read my full review on my website, in my sig.

stevecl

Ebuyer123,

This should help


And no its not my video...

Steve

ebuyer123

Yes, Chris's ebooks are almost ALWAYS newbie friendly as it is where most of his profit come from...lol

It is always a big launch and super-hype pre-launch for Chris's product anyway. By the way, not sure how much it will cost me to get one, I mean the pricess is this "$$" or this "$$$" or even this "$$$$"?

Thanks for the info anyway.

Regards,

ebuyer123

Get it for FREE: << PPC Web Spy - The Best Dynamic KEYWORD Tool in 2010 - PPC Web Spy >>

James Schramko

I'll answer this for you since Tim is a friend of mine and I know how his business operates.

VOLUME.

Tim has put about 30,000 ads out there and he works of making about $3 per month profit from each ad written win or lose. [edit this could be $5 per month per ad group]

Because that involves work.

Instead of doing all that work Tim just makes another few hundred ad tests. He has outsources writeing ads to someone so his only job is to check stats and make decsions on bidding and deleting. He has the MOST hassle free existance. No web hosting, no server crashes, no extra stuff.

Yes he could make more money and he will make more money when he optimizes his business. In his book he mentions he is a little lazy. This is natural since you only need $X million dollars to survive. He is living an excellent lifestyle why stuff it up?

It is harder to pick up direct linking than unique URL's. It would be very hard to spy on 30,000 campaigns......




You are kind of missing the point of the program. You can use it to link to your own sites if you want but the real advantage of this is the speed in which you can test markets for profit potential.


Yes. Tim does give away his testing criteria and bidding strategies. If you have a low budget then you have to cut campaigns early and lower your bids early.

Be prepared to run at LEAST 100 campaigns to get enough winners to see potential. This is not a 5 crank wonder.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

jimmorris

I just got off the phone with Tim and found out exactly what this is, exactly how he makes his money and this is AWESOME for testing markets QUICKLY -- I think I explain it quite well in an 8 minute video on youtube.com/watch?v=8b49h7KKAdQ

Amfire

looks very time consuming, Not sure to what extent it can be outsourced,
Adding to it there are rumors around that Google may disallow Direct linking in near future,

James Schramko

You can outsource ad writing.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

UKTim29

Sounds like a cashflow nightmare for a newbie!

my_addict_mind

google cash
campaign blasting
commission blueprint
arbitrage conspiracy

and now googleshadow
what else is new?

Anup Mahajan

I am a bit concerned about the type of Affiliate Program that this guy promotes! In the video & emails, it is repeatedly stressed that this guy ignores 99% of affiliate programs. Yet he makes truck loads of money. Now I have another info from this thread that he has 30,000 ads. So 30,000 ads for just 1% of affiliate programs that are available!

Anyone has any idea, what type of programs he promotes?

Regards,
Anup

Join the Apps Revolution, Convert your website to Android App => Click Here

James Schramko

It is scalable.

He stops his losses with a clever bidding strategy. He also suggests ways newbies can limit exposure.

He only bids on exact and phrase most of the time and he has a strict cutoff point for testing. It is in the ebook.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

James Schramko

He will have a go at promoting anything. There are many independent affiliate programs out there from shoes, hosting, insurance, education, travel, food etc....


Look at shareasale, CJ etc... Amazon for the amount of products available if you did not want to promote clickbank.

He is the top affiliate for several IM products as well because he has tested everything.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

Anup Mahajan

Thanks for the info..

Yeah I imagined he cannot do it simply by promoting digital products. Physical products, even though they have lower commissions, can sell in huge volumes and bring good affiliate checks.. But I am surprised that he is a top affiliate for IM products by using direct linking, without a list or website

Regards,
Anup

Join the Apps Revolution, Convert your website to Android App => Click Here

James Schramko

I am not surprised. I often direct link to test markets before building blogs or pre-sells. The IM market has new stuff coming out all the time and is easy to find big gaps.

There are plenty of people iframing almost every popular product on clickbank too.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

bossyazid

Very helpful this thread.....

Thanks for the info anyway.

EricGiguere

There is a simplicity to this method that is very appealing if you can afford the upfront costs. It's spawned a bit of a discussion on my blog, but I think the upshot is that if you have a few simple software tools you can automate so much of it. Start with the AdWords Editor, which lets you quickly and easily create multiple campaigns and ad groups directly from a single spreadsheet. Redirect your clicks through a tracking script that inserts a unique ClickBank TID (or does something similar for whatever aff program you're using) and stores that info in a database (along with whatever info it can capture about the click, such as which keyword was clicked on). When a sale occurs, use the aff program's notification system (ClickBank has one now, for example) to match up the TID with the keyword info. Analyze and prune....

I can see this working if you're able to monitor things like a hawk and if you're vicious in your pruning of bad campaigns.

Having the balls to actually do this is a different matter!

Eric

Eric Giguere

Complete Guide to Creating Microniche AdSense Sites

kindsvater

Eric:

I saw your post right after I posted a review for Affiliate Reporting:

AffiliateReporting.com - Awesome

I think you're right on, but it also seems to me the pruning and monitoring like a hawk are where so many programs fall short and ultimately fail to deliver. Myself, I don't want to spend 16 hours a day doing that.

Someday, there will be something all automated under 'one-roof' - fast ppc creation and automated tracking.

Stop Lawsuits Cold - Internet Marketing Law Center - Hundreds of Warrior Members
California Noncompete Agreements - California Employment Law - Warrior Blog

EricGiguere

Brian, interesting review.

I think all the pieces are there to do the automated thing you want because of the AdWords API (which lets you programmatically control your AdWords account) and the ClickBank instant notifications. Somebody needs to just glue it all together.

Eric Giguere

Complete Guide to Creating Microniche AdSense Sites

ebuyer123

Hi,
Is that mean when big G disallow direct linking to be used on Adwords, GoogleShadow (GS) methodology will become a piece of IM "public domain /history"?

I have been long not doing direct linking PPC anymore, but I do use it at various Q&A directories and obtain a good result with it..

Besides Adwords, can we use direct linking at Yahoo or MSN?

Anyway, as long as the ebook can teach ONE new thing (yes...just one new thing), I will go get it even though the conversion from GBP to US$ isn't great at all. After all I am 101% seriously DOING, but TRYING I.M.

By the way, is GS not a monthly membership thing or is it just an ebook for us to buy for?? I was checking my email inbox moment ago, and it wasn't being bombaded YET by tonnes of incoming emails about GS...lol

My present feeling with Google Shadow PPC direct linking methodology is that I will need to have a BIG enough cashflow before I can use it to the most.

Regards

ebuyer123

Get it for FREE: << PPC Web Spy - The Best Dynamic KEYWORD Tool in 2010 - PPC Web Spy >>

EricGiguere

Google Shadow is a monthly membership... $67/month for the book + software. There's a $47/month upsell as well for "blueprints".

Eric Giguere

Complete Guide to Creating Microniche AdSense Sites

ben565

Google have dissallowed direct linking for awhile now,so not sure how this system will work with something that google does not allow

JayMartins

This is just PPC Complete rebranded..

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=uk

Case Study: Offline marketing brings in $6116 every month
Successful Membership Website / Offline Money / Custom Wordpress / Squeeze Pages
I charge very cheap rates by PayPal if you need any of the above. Just PM me and we can talk.

papeter

There will inevitably be saturation using this direct linking method... thousands of marketers using this software chasing the same merchant offer? Great for the merchant I think.

papeter

Where does it say that Google have disallowed direct linking?

tommyp

There are rumors that it will eventually be disallowed since supposedly the destination url (where you actually end up) and display url have to be the same. So, I guess that means affid.stevesms.hop.clickbank.net doesn't go with stevessupermoneysystem.com even though the hop link goes there, but I'm not sure exactly and that's just my perception so don't tke my word for it. I haven't been keeping up cause it makes no difference to me.

But aside from that, NO. Too many people who repeat crap they hear elsewhere keep saying you can't direct link, and that's baloney. What it is is only one affiliate allowed per keyword so only one web site url per display and even then you can still do it and the two can battle it out but only one will display at a time. Actually, I'm gonna stop correcting people cause as long as they think direct linking is disallowed that's better for me.

Website Content Wizard Woes? Still Struggling? Then Check This Out.

AJ Silvers

Hi Guys, this is an interesting thread but I think there's another way to look at this.

1. Yes this system requries work, tracking and measuring
2. Any system or business that will make good money requires 1.
3. You could buy every ebook out there and never make a dollar

or

4. pick any one system and follow it, tweak it, test it, make it work then scale it up.

If there was a genuine point and click system that just made money I'd buy a copy for everyone I know and have an early christmas!

Come on guys, I know those sales letters "promise" easy riches but the only place success comes before work is in the dictionary ;-)

I have made a great living taking the free info in the Stompernet going natural videos (I started two and a bit years ago), most of Frank Kern's free content and the same goes for Eben Pagan and Jeff Walker.

You don't need to buy a system or yet another ebook. You could spend a week reading this forum, another week watching as much freeline content as you can stomach, then pick a channel to market and do some work!

When you get started you will probably find that it is a lot easier than you first thought and when those first cheques arrive it is a great feeling (a really great feeling when you do your first 5 figure month too!).

Oh and for the record, I have not bought the Shadow system (I came here to see if it was worth my time to buy a copy and read it), I use one of the many PPC spy type tools and let others do the expensive market testing for me (it's cheaper and faster in my experience) :-)

madevine

i still dont understand why there is a monthly cost...

madevine

also, it seems that many people here believe that google is going to eventually not allow direct linking......well....this is true....

In fact, they've already started policing it. I recently got a slap on the hand for it.

matt

elliec

I'm with you Matt....what is the monthly cost for? Use of the software methinks.....anybody know? Has anyone subscribed yet?

Resources For Restaurant Owners

DonDavis

mo money, mo money.


I have already had ad campaigns stopped for direct linking. But I have also had them stopped for using a redirect. Big G does what Big G wants to do.

James Schramko

It is not a huge step to add a generic domain with dynamic keyword/token landing pages. If direct linking becomes obsolete just move to the next layer (like LPGen).

The Google Shadow tool makes setting up campaigns fast. Why stop doing something because of a rumour? Wait until it changes then adapt, as with any business.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

James Schramko

Because they can. Many services cost money, just like your hosting, autoresponder, domain name, etc.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

James Schramko

It's not possible to reach saturation. Think of how many individual products are available for sale online that could have a targeted ad group. Every product at Amazon, Share a sale, CJ, combined with every independent would number in the millions?

A handful of people who apply this and actually understand what the concept is (going broad and wide whilst stop lossing campaigns for testing) will clean up.

This is just a tool and a system - it comes down to the user and the attitude.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

tommyp

Then people just have to get creative and build unique landing pages or find a way around it. Not everyone has been slapped yet. I still see many direct linkers.

That may even be the reason it's being sold. Maybe they had a heads up and did this launch cause it won't work soon and they wanted to bank as soon as possible.

Personally, if I were anyone who bought this I would get a refund and put that money toward X's Affiliate Black Book coming out, whenever - the dates have been changed. I don't know if I'll be able to get it but from my experience you should not be let down. X deserves your money more than these clowns because I'm sure he'll deliver. If you want to get the heads up when just visit: blackbooksblog.com

Anyway, I could on and on about this but then I'd have to break the rules and get personal although I'd like to.

Basically, there's been lying (I'm talking about the product now) the only 3 keyword bit and avoiding 99% of affiliate programs is a lie. I've been reading other forums where people are generally more honest and I believe them. And there's other lies.

Including Chris McNeeney was talking about how he met him at some IM seminar or whatever in the video. Said he couldn't believe it. Said he finally got him to share the info and finally convinced him to release it and so now you get to get Google Shadow. Well, it looks like this info was already released under another title, as someone else here pointed out for those who missed it. So, no arm twisting or any of that junk. This has already been out under another title.

Anyway, do what you want.

James Schramko

(Nice promo for aff x by the way)

So what is the problem with a re-release? Did Frank Kern and Trey do that recently with a certain product?

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

tommyp

Yea, nice promo, sure, whatever. But I have nothing to get out of it. It's not an affiliate link, it's Xs blog. It's unsolicited and it's because I believe X puts out good stuff.

Like I said, people can do and will do whatever they want anyway. Fine, keep Google Shadow everyone.

And no there's no problem with rereleasing it, did I say that or are you being evasive and changing the focus? So what is the problem you have with me telling the truth?

Maybe so, and maybe it's got to do with your own nice promos on the Google Shadow thread with your Google Shadow Review link in your sig to your Google Shadow bonus offer "by the way".

Website Content Wizard Woes? Still Struggling? Then Check This Out.

madevine

Yes..."they can." Maybe i should have rephrased my question....

What does the customer get by paying that monthly charge??? Could you not just pay the initial payment and then cancel your subscription? What do you have to gain by keeping your subscription active??

matt

Simon Ashari

hi madevine.

from the sales letter it makes it out that the monthly subscription brings with it the right to use the software.

So if someone cancels the monthly subscription then they wont be able to do what is mentioned in the ebooks.

Now i may be wrong about that. However the sales letter makes it look like you need to be a current member to use the software.

and since the software is the main part of the program it is definately essential. (cleaver way to keep people paying I think)

if it works, people will keep paying.

Hope this helps

Simon

p.s. if i am wrong about what ive typed above, please, anyone who knows better should correct me.

James Schramko

Hey TommyP I am a fan of X as well. This thread is about Shadow.

Yes you did mention that it has been released before and I was addressing that.

In fact the ppccomplete application was a place holder site and not sold on mass because it was never promoted. Tim needed a hand with that.

Chris did meet Tim at the Greenroom event.

I'd love to see the proof of the lying you have stated. Since that could be considered slander I guess you have your butt protected right?

I don't mind speaking out against trash talk when it is about something I have knowledge. People who know me would do that same courtesy.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

James Schramko

Oh that is simple.

You get to keep using it. It is a server provided membership program. No pay = no access. Treat it like aweber or other server provided tools and you are on the same track.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

James Schramko

Yes there is a lot to be said for making your own products. It is the BEST way to acquire qualified clients for affiliate marketing...

(X Is a different guy than Chris X)

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

stovis

There are some clips of the tools in action here:


YouTube - GoogleShadowSystem's Channel

my_addict_mind

nothing new in this product
rehash crap
the only unique item here is the independent affilate program thing, if it is unique at all
even the software is too expensive
it could have been automated in excel and output to a file for import into adwords editor
no need to pay monthly for this crap

Amfire

yeah most of us are aware here,


Does this help tracking @Keyword level?

jimmorris

I had a quick conversation with Tim just about 18 minutes before launch to clarify a thread in here. You can find that as the 2nd vid below (which is actually a response video to YouTubers that didn't get up to You Tube). And Shramko had to comment that I needed to tone it down from the first vid, so I did so *just for him* in the second video.

Jim Morris, Founder
NicheBOT.com

James Schramko

Jim I have never seen such amped passion - It was hilarious!! Well done man. My tongue was firmly planted in cheek!

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

James Schramko

Sure does,

They list the common keyword tracking identifiers for each network.

I just opened up yesterdays campaigns and sure enough there they were listed by search engine, adword group and keyword number. Sweet tool.

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

James Schramko

Others peoples success often brings out the negative in people.

Have you bought the software?

Get Traffic :: Wholesale SEO Services ::Advanced Internet Marketing

Suthan M

Seriously, there is a lot better marketing reports that is so much better than this work. Bought it, read it and think *personally* that this wasnt really that great.

No offense to anyone. Just saying what i think about this program.

P/s- Didnt buy the software though, so i am not commenting on that.