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Old 04-03-2009, 11:01 AM   #851
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I too bouhgt into PPC and GCD. I will be requesting a refund from gcd because I have lost more money than it cost me to join (which was a lot). I bought into a different program and started making money the right way (Hard work and a business plan!). The program I ended up with is the best I have seen! and there is only one upsell, which EVERY marketer should have! (Market Samurai). Once you learn to use that software, you will never log into PPC or GCD again!
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Haven't tried it.

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I just want to add that when Anik and GCD provide trainings, they use examples of good niches to use. The problem is that it was a good niche to THEM before they exposed it to several thousand newbies who were inevitably going to jump on that bandwagon. The one great campaign I had was destroyed in 6 hours (after 5 weeks of hard work) when they used it as a training example. Nobody seems to understand how to use the tools to find UNIQUE and less competitive niches. My feeling was it was just too much hard work to have them potentially destroy every campaign you work hard on (meaning that if it is profitable, it WILL show up in GCD and every noob on earth will destroy it by cloning it)
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Mate it was launched on March 10, i was part of beta before that date i had to ask for a refund mainly because it didn't have data for the UK so it wasn't any use to my business model. Plus some of the results it returned were very strange to say the least !!!!
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Seems that many newbies is jumping into the ppc market without realizing the danger.

Unless you are already making some money in a certain niche and have understand your target audience, you should not go into ppc.

Many of the newbies faced google slap where cpc suddenly shoot up to $10 and they lost hundreds in a day.

If you are already experienced in IM, I think gcd can give you more ideas and angles to play with ppc and put your campaign on steroids.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:57 PM   #856
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Yep, forget what you heard about GCD first time around. I've used just about every spy tool there is (PPC Bully, iSpionage, Zamdoo, Under Cover Profits, AdSpyPro, etc.) and this is the best.

Main reason is that it has a database of a couple million keywords and has been tracking them for several months. All I do is drop in a keyword, and I see every advertiser's ad that has been running against it, and how long they have been running.

All other tools require you to enter your keywords, then wait until they BEGIN searching on them, from that day forward. So you'll wait 20-30 days to see if the keyword is still being run by an advertiser.

GCD gives you that data now, so it slashes the time it takes to enter a market. It lets you see all the advertisers ads and in some cases you can see what other markets that advertiser is in (useful if you want to track and emulate a superaffiliate.)

I went through the pain of the first GCD launch, and was skeptical when I heard it was back out. But I've been using it for a month, entering markets profitably, as well as expanding my keywords for existing markets I am in.

I can tell you Chris has done a real good job of turning the GCD ship around. Keep an eye out for the launch (although I am part of the beta I am not privvy to the launch date.)
You sound like a paid spokesperson for GCD. Almost mirroring word-for-word the party line. "I can tell you Chris has done a real good job of turning the GCD ship around". Yeah, right. How on earth can you claim that? From what I can see here and other Forums and people EMAILING me (almost daily) - there's a lot of unhappy campers out there. Unhappy with one Chris Carpenter and his GoogleCashDefective. In my book he's done a truly DREADFUL job. Go back and read over the comments.

"Keep an eye out for the launch" - hello - it launched 4 weeks ago. That's what we're all so steamed about - the disastrous launch. You sure you're even a member? How come you didn't know that? The servers had huge problems for starters - which must have affected you along with everyone else.

There goes your credibility. "Join date: April 2009". I smell a rat here.
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The program I ended up with is the best I have seen! and there is only one upsell, which EVERY marketer should have! (Market Samurai). Once you learn to use that software, you will never log into PPC or GCD again!

What happens after trial period - do they have free version or you have to buy Full one? How much does it cost you?
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Actually googe rejects my relations always. why...
Your message isn't clear. What are you saying?
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Hey,

What's wrong with GCD? I am a member of it, but don't see any hicups at this point. What's the "charges" and "verdict"? GCD1.0 was bad, but GCD2.0 looks and works well for me.

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I'm sad I didn't check this thread before.

I already bought GCD and had no results.

I'm a Google Advertising Professional with over 7 years of experience and I think I'm capable enough to find good business opportunities with GCD.
I had even created a Pay per Click software which I use with my customers and let me pay really low per click.

But even with that and weeks of trying I had no results whatsoever.

I started the process of asking for a refund. I hope I have no problems there.
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you can clone the ads and keywords, but unless you landing page have similar quality score that matches the original , the results will be very different right ?.. if the one you are cloning is running the campaign for a long time, his history will also give a good quality score that a new commer trying to clone will not match ?
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I'm sad I didn't check this thread before.

I already bought GCD and had no results.

I'm a Google Advertising Professional with over 7 years of experience and I think I'm capable enough to find good business opportunities with GCD.
I had even created a Pay per Click software which I use with my customers and let me pay really low per click.

But even with that and weeks of trying I had no results whatsoever.

I started the process of asking for a refund. I hope I have no problems there.
So, as you are a Google Advertising Professional with over 7 years experience, what did you think GCD might do for you and how did it fail to achieve this?

By the way, the URL in your signature doesn't work -- hover your mouse over it and you will see why. The video on your site doesn't work either.
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I'm sad I didn't check this thread before.

I already bought GCD and had no results.

I'm a Google Advertising Professional with over 7 years of experience and I think I'm capable enough to find good business opportunities with GCD.
I had even created a Pay per Click software which I use with my customers and let me pay really low per click.

But even with that and weeks of trying I had no results whatsoever.

I started the process of asking for a refund. I hope I have no problems there.
Unless you have already do your market research well i.e
1. find the hungry crowd
2. find out what they really want

the keywords provided by GCD is useless

keywords are not the answer, the person who types the keyword into
the google search engine is the answer.

Try and understand what the person is looking for when they type in a
certain keyword.
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So, as you are a Google Advertising Professional with over 7 years experience, what did you think GCD might do for you and how did it fail to achieve this?

By the way, the URL in your signature doesn't work -- hover your mouse over it and you will see why. The video on your site doesn't work either.

i think these are the reason for GCD to not work for people
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Good info. I bit the bullet and dropped $1997 on GCD. Very skeptical. I recently received an email from Perry Marshall recommending Adwords Accelerator They have some big companies using this product...??? I watched the demo. Does anyone know about this tool? Should I get my money back for GCD.

A confused Newbie, information overloaded,
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You sound like a paid spokesperson for GCD. Almost mirroring word-for-word the party line. "I can tell you Chris has done a real good job of turning the GCD ship around". Yeah, right. How on earth can you claim that? From what I can see here and other Forums and people EMAILING me (almost daily) - there's a lot of unhappy campers out there. Unhappy with one Chris Carpenter and his GoogleCashDefective. In my book he's done a truly DREADFUL job. Go back and read over the comments.

"Keep an eye out for the launch" - hello - it launched 4 weeks ago. That's what we're all so steamed about - the disastrous launch. You sure you're even a member? How come you didn't know that? The servers had huge problems for starters - which must have affected you along with everyone else.

There goes your credibility. "Join date: April 2009". I smell a rat here.
Lookee, lookee. "Austin Kendall" has taken his post down. How very surprising. He's gone off the Grid too. Now who exactly is this "Austin Kendall"? This GCD "beta tester" who wasn't even aware that it launched 4 weeks ago. "I can tell you Chris has done a real good job of turning the GCD ship around. Keep an eye out for the launch (although I am part of the beta I am not privvy to the launch date."
Too funny. Austin Kendall please call home.

BTW there's an "Austin Kendall" on facebook. He's a "friend" of Jennifer Lopez.

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Good info. I bit the bullet and dropped $1997 on GCD. Very skeptical. I recently received an email from Perry Marshall recommending Adwords Accelerator They have some big companies using this product...??? I watched the demo. Does anyone know about this tool? Should I get my money back for GCD.

A confused Newbie, information overloaded,
hey, sorry to jump in, but I guess, I need to say a few fair comments re: GCD.

Have you attempted the training video? If you do, at least you will learn a few things.

If you want the quick and easy, you can do so by following their direct linking training tutorials (which by the way) I am doing myself. Analyze the long term direct linking programs, check out how people do it. Spend an hour or so, sitting and thinking how people pitched those programs. Most importantly, you need to think, why people are buying what they are buying or acting ... Don't quit, study and learn.

Also, you may use your current experience to see what market sells.

I can't say too much, as I don't know your experience, but overall, I think GCD is a GREAT tool. Use it to its greatest potential.

If you are new, PM me... see what I can do for you.

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For everybody who posted in here, thank you. I purchased GCD and asked for a refund based on what was posted.

I have to say I did get a few golden nuggets out of there training videos, but the software never made me any money.

The only thing that was an eye opener using GCD was how many people drop there ads after only a few days. Anybody making money on adwords?

My refund only took a few days, I do not believe the people at GCD are dishonest, and some of the posted remarks were a little harsh. I just think they tried to create a product with the best intentions and failed to get it right.

Anybody reading this, here is the lesson. Read Warrior Forum BEFORE you buy anything, these people know there stuff.
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I just got my GCD refund. It just did not live up to expectations or to claims made in the promo videos. The training section is a disjointed mess and from what i have seen no one is making money with it. In the members forum ther is a thread asking if anyone is making money, no one is. Lots of posts from enthusiastic people who are sure the next campaign will be the big winner but not a single person actually making money. I am far from a PPC expert but I do have 2 profitable campaigns that have been running for some time with landing pages and cheap long tail key words. I launched 23 direct link campaigns with the data I collected using GCD and not a single sale, not one. Lots of expensive clicks though. I tweeked an ad group in one of my profitable non GCD campaigns using GCD data and my conversions stopped cold. Switched it back and conversions started again.Refund was prompt so props for that.
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Just refunded myself too. I use ppcbully & spyfu as well as ppc kahuna for essentially the same data and it's a helluva lot cheaper!

Also, what most people probably don't realize is, MOST of the people that are profitable and running adwords campaigns (translation - the ones that you would bother spying on and cloning) probably know how to block access of GCD and most spytools to their sites/landing pages. I ran a series of tests during my "trial" of GCD and since I knew what to block via my .htaccess file, NONE of my campaigns were visible on GCD and I ran them for an entire month on common keywords (and made no money)

In another words, people that you'd want to copy - you probably aren't going to find them anymore on a go-forward basis. This was easy to verify because when I first signed up, I found NUMEROUS "review style" generic domains direct linking to HUNDREDS of click bank products or CPA offers - ALL of them running for over 120 days or more with profitablity indexes of 12,000 or more (again, this is debatable). All of a sudden, within about a week of membership, all those campaigns showed the campaign wasn't running any longer according to GCD - but if I went and just googled it myself, sure enough the ad was there.

What does this mean? Obviously, once these advertisers knew GCD was released and tons of us were going to be spying on their domains - it was VERY easy to block the GCD tracking algorithm and the top guys will be doing everything they can to avoid spytools from seeing what they are doing.

If you simply google "block spy tools", you'll see tons of references on how to modify your .htaccess file and how to block spyfu, keywordspy, etc etc etc.

of course, there's ways around that too, but that's a different discussion

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What does this mean? Obviously, once these advertisers knew GCD was released and tons of us were going to be spying on their domains - it was VERY easy to block the GCD tracking algorithm and the top guys will be doing everything they can to avoid spytools from seeing what they are doing.

If you simply google "block spy tools", you'll see tons of references on how to modify your .htaccess file and how to block spyfu, keywordspy, etc etc etc.

of course, there's ways around that too, but that's a different discussion

T.

Thanks for good info! BTW, can they block website duplication tools like teleport?

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Here is a stupid question. How in the heck do you request a refund at GCD? There wasn't a "cancel" button or a "refund" button from what I could see. Do you simply submit a support ticket and wait for your refund? Thanks

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Submit a support ticket. They will send you a link via e-mail to submit an additional support ticket asking for a reason for the refund request. In addition you need to uncheck the programs on the support ticket. Just submitted refund request last night. Impatiently waiting for it to hit my bank account - hope that helps
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hmmm, haven't used teleport but if it's anything like some of the other site cloners (There was another WSO in here a while ago called "affiliate site quick" that could quickly copy pages), you can't technically prevent people from loading your site, viewing the source code, and then simply having their way with it - of course, this brings on all sorts of copyright infringement issues and I'm by no means a lawyer.

now you can encrypt your html pages and things like that, but it makes it a pain to modify and google doesn't like pages like that if you're concerned with SEO.

For others looking to refund - the process was quick and painless so they get props for that. Simply submit a request via their helpdesk
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I thought it was a 'no questions asked' money back guarantee?
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Thanks for the help guys. BTW, I was really miffed by the lack of direction with GCD in terms of the training. The training videos were not complete with respect to providing an end to end solution and were released much too slowly for a product that costs this much. My guess is that their strategy was to try to get people closer and closer to the 30 day refund window and hopefully have a good portion cross this threshold, but it seems a little bit like dirty pool to me. I also did not like the fact that the forum was policed so religiously. At any rate, it was a good learning experience (i.e. there is no magic bullet) and wish them the best. Of course, if I don't get me refund pretty quickly I may go ape$hit, but I have no reason to believe I won't be refunded accordingly.

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I thought it was a 'no questions asked' money back guarantee?
Yeah I that so too, but they do ask. I believe it was optional though
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I joined GCD but I had to leave as I was laid off from work.

I was gutted as I could see that this would without a doubt give me the ability to make money.

GUTTED I SAY!

If you have the chance jump on this.
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No, but I'd love to know more about that myself. Anxious to hear if you get a good response.

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I tried Google Cash Detective with about 30 campaigns following the training videos step-by-step.
No results. Not even one sale.
Each campaign got more than 100 clicks. Some campaigns got more clicks than others.
Bottom line was that it costed me a whole lot of $$

For those of you familiar with GCD, the GCD profitability score was 3,000+ (which is good), keyword search volume of several thousand per month (each keyword).

I got good ad placement (on first page) and used cloneable campaigns. Meaning I used the same exact landing pages.

I placed another 10 campaigns wednesday morning.
This time, for testing, I cloned the landing pages and hosted them on my own domain. So far, same story; clicks and no sales so far.

After all this work, I'm sorry to say that I got nothing from it.
Wish I could report better news, but I needed to get this off my chest.

If my results change. If I make any $$$ with this, I'll be sure to update my post to let everyone know.

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Requested a refund this past Sunday and got my monies Tuesday. It didnt work out for me as well. The offered to extend my refund period for 30 more days but at that point I already had my mind made us. Get this though! Someone recommended Perry Marshalls (Definitive Guide To Google Adwords) book and Ive learned so much half way through the book than I did with GCD2 or Pay Per Click Classroom 2 (way to many upsells and promotions of other peoples stuff from Anik) which I also left. If you really want to learn it (newbies like myself) go back to basics. Pick up Perry Marshalls book alot of Gurus read that same book when they first started out.
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I admit I'm a newbie to all this, but the only reason I signed up in the first place was because of the training. Ok, so I was naive, but who isn't when it come to the first time of anything, but I have to agree with earleir posts made, that's there's just been too much pitching of other people's products, so now I have to ask myself, do these guys really make the kind of money claimed from adwordks, or is their sole income just from pitching other people's products to their lists, cos if this is the case, then the adwords training is out the window lol
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4-runner, thanks for pointing out your experience about noticing that alot of successful campaigns had went away about a week after the launch of GCD and how they probably tweaked their script.
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alherd, thanks for sharing your experience with GCD. After reading your post and a couple of others, I just sent a support ticket in for a refund for my GCD. I can surely find some resources here in the Warriors Forum and receive better mentoring than I was recieving with GCD.
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google cash detecctive rocks and should be out by this year
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I'm thinking they will have to do a lot of tweaking on their end to mask and/or rotate their algorithm from being "detected". I've blocked all my campaigns from all the major server based spy tools and can verify by just going to those sites and looking for my own domains - they will NEVER show up. That's why PPC Kahuna is good since it runs on your own PC via proxy so there's no massive footprint being left when you check your server logs. Some will argue that running a program on your own PC isn't "as robust" and you can't monitor as much data and blah blah blah, but come on - 90% of the posts I read in these forums or on the membership forums are coming from COMPLETE NEWBIES that are asking questions that make me shake my head and think why the heck did you just drop 2k on a piece of software that you will barely even use 1% of? Unless you're rolling out 10 to 20 campaigns a WEEK and testing thousands of keywords, how many people are honestly cloning and running enough campaigns for that to even matter? I test 2 or 3 campaigns a week at the MOST and I have no problem with gathering data and market intelligence slowly - I'm not an Amit or Amish or Anik or Aymen... (wait a sec, to be uber successful in PPC, maybe you have to have a name that starts with A... no wonder!)

Anyway, the norm with IM launches these days is quite frankly saddening - so many "newbies" are so desperate, they are shelling out 1k or 2k for a "course" and training when they could get the basic training by just reading a $20 book picked up at Chapters (ie, Perry's Definitive Guide) and ease their way in. Not slagging some of the courses out there as I have many and they are great, but my expectation and experience going INTO the course is waaaaay different. I'm not asking questions like - "I've just lost my job, I have no money, I am a complete newbie, but will this $997 tool or $1997 course help me 'turn the corner' and be successful online??!?!"... how many times have you read that in those launch blogs?

My PPC experience has been, even if you DO find a profitable campaign, you still have to spend at least $300 to $400 minimum just to get a reasonable amount of REAL data to make a statistically significant decision as to what keywords to continue with and which to dump - more if you really want to get enough data from split testing your landing pages - because you ARE split testing your landing pages aren't you? With CPV (cost per view) to CPA offers, more like about $1,000 because the impressions and traffic can be massive and you need to test a LOT of keywords). There's no arguing that GCD is great for uncovering campaigns that have been running for a long time quickly - but big friggen deal! - it DOESN'T reveal the HISTORY behind those particular successful ads which is what allows them to run for that long in those positions and are likely running at 1/5th the displayed CPC. If you go and clone any of the ads in there (which most of you probably tried) using basically the same or the EXACT same ad, EXACT same directly linked landing page, EXACT same keyword, you probably failed miserably because you were paying close to the actual displayed click cost and you would have been running it AT A LOSS and wondering how they could be successful - then pulled the plug after you exhausted your campaign budget of $50.... or $100... or whatever... The guys that you were cloning have been running it for that long have already established a high CTR history so it is IMPOSSIBLE to beat them and outrank them - and if it has been successful for them do you think they're going to let some newbie come in and try and displace them? Nevermind the fact that the top guys are also geo-targeting, and ad scheduling as well - ever consider that? While you enter the market and bid $1.50 a click and kill your daily campaign budget within 3 hours at the beginning of the day, they can simply wait till you're gone and turn on their ad for the rest of the day and get the rest of the clicks at half the price - I've done it and it's fun to watch. Does anyone in the GCD training even mention the little fact that some of those campaigns could very well be targetting ONE city or ONE postal code? GCD doesn't reveal any of that info either. Sure, they can bid $5.00 a click and run for 120 days straight because they are only appearing for a specific location. I could have bid on a ton of super expensive keywords, but only set my campaign to appear in ONLY my own postal code - guess what - GCD will see my ad is indeed running at 100% for 120 days (albeit with very limited traffic and clickthru's which cost me very little) but Joe newbie comes along, looks at the ad and thinks - hey, this ad has been running for 120 days and it's an expensive keyword, so BINGO! I'm going to clone it and run it across Canada, US, UK, & Australia (or heaven forbit, all territories)... and ends up losing his/her shirt... d'oh....

Think about it - how can you possibly outrank and go "head to head" with an advertiser who has been running their ad for 120 days solid at 100% appearance on a keyword which shows a $1.50+ Avg. CPC and simply COPY their Ad and direct link to the merchant and expect to beat them? The person you're cloning has been running the ad for 4 months and probably has a great CTR (although their quality score sucks since almost every direct linked campaign I analyzed with google goggles came up with poor quality scores even using a 10% CTR) so with Joe Newbie coming onto the scene and being "taught" to clone and copy their ad and direct link - with ZERO ad history, setting an ad budget of $30 a day AND paying full price on the CPC - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine they are likely doomed to failure. A good example using endurance sports - I've done the ironman triathlon the last couple years - if someone with little experience were to just watch me and see that I trained for X amount of days, saw what kind of shoes I wear, the bike I ride, where I run or ride, how often I run or ride, etc etc - do you think that they can just "copy" my training schedule from the last year and expect to finish? Although it's plainly open for everyone to see what I'm doing or have been doing the last while, unless you're my coach, you don't know what I've done for the past 5 years prior to this particular training schedule, what heart-rate zones I'm training at now, the pace i'm running, the wattage I'm training at on the bike, what aspects of my stroke and breathing I'm focussing on when I'm swimming, what my nutrition / recovery / sleep plan is, my periodization schedule, etc etc etc. All you know is, he swims this many laps, he runs this route everyday, he rides this many miles - if I just "copy that exactly" and follow him around, I can do Ironman... that's ASSININE....I think that applies here - just because you can SEE what someone has done or what they are openly doing - don't think there are a LOT of things happening behind the scenes that also have to be considered...

Anyway, enough of my rant, but it just pains me when I read some of the pre-launch blogs and forum posts by so many people that have absolutely no clue as to what they are getting themselves into. I look forward to the day when a product or tool comes out that actually pre-qualifies people before they even allow them to purchase - because, clearly price alone is not screening at all these days. People seem to be willing to spend any amount to get the next shiny gadget and instantly fall for the marketing hype (read my post about X's "death of crap" on my ironmarketer.com blog - changed my attitude about everything)

Sorry for the long post, but I hope this makes all of us really stop and think before purchasing the next "shiny widget".
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huh?

by "out" - my interpretation is it will indeed be "out" of satisfied paying members.

I think the tool has it's place for guys/gals that want to test dozens of campaigns at a time rapidly and have a big budget and an adwords account that allows way more than the standard amount of ad groups and keywords. It DOES allow you to find markets and associated products very quickly, but you still have to do the work once you find those products/markets - it definitely isn't the magic bullet and it's unfortunate that the GCD marketing was SO good, I think many people that purchased it were given the false impression it would make PPC easy. It isn't!! Even the top PPC guys are finding it more and more difficult and they have budgets in the 10s of thousands a DAY - so they have the luxury of being able to fail a lot more and test a lot more than us mere mortals...

Its like any other enterprise solution, in the hands of a newbie, it's useless - but in the hands of people that need that level of horsepower - it is just another TOOL - it is not necessarily the be all, end all solution.

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@4-runner:

Man, that's one hell of a rant... but right on the button!

Now, regarding the use of .htaccess to block PPC spy tools. How sure are you that these tools will discard an ad and its keywords just because they can't access the landing page? Unless they capture and store the landing page, like GCD, why would they bother to check it out?
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Man, that's one hell of a rant... but right on the button!

Now, regarding the use of .htaccess to block PPC spy tools. How sure are you that these tools will discard an ad and its keywords just because they can't access the landing page? Unless they capture and store the landing page, like GCD, why would they bother to check it out?
Hey Nick

Lol, I know - I apologize to everyone for that

Based on my own experience - when launching a new campaign on a particular domain and ensuring all my "blocking" is in place, I have yet to see my ads revealed with the common spy tools - but they key factor is - I don't direct link. All my campaigns have been to my own pages (review or squeeze or just plain old home page to my own storefront.) This isn't to say that it's 100% bomb-proof but that's been my experience. If you are direct linking to the merchant, you're probably out of luck since you have no ability to "block" what you're doing.

I just ran one of my domains thru keyword spy and it doesn't show any data whatsoever. However one of my other domains DOES show up with the data from 2 years ago because I never implemented any "blocking" (and it still shows up even though I've never run it again for almmost 2 years). So it is clear that keywordspy needs to see your landing page since it does some pretty extensive analysis of your domain including organic rankings, "time machine" function, etc etc - so if it can't crawl your domain - it obviously can't give any of this data.

Here's some data from keywordspy right off their home page which everyone can access.

The Super Affiliates Chart shows the top performing affiliates at ClickBank based on the number of keywords they use and based on the number of products they actively promote.

1. appc3 37,660
2. bottom 27,425
3. mboudet 22,112
4. goog3 14,989
5. king80 10,759
6. purchase01 9,833
7. vvllc2 7,643
8. congoman 6,878
9. 91862 6,747
10. vvllc6 5,910

As an experiment for yourself, anyone that has an active GCD account - do a URL query on a few of these to compare GCD's results with keywordspy's. You may find that GCD now reports a totally different number of keywords or many of the campaigns "stopped appearing" a couple weeks ago. I do remember checking out most of these guys campaigns and couldn't figure out how they could be profitable if they were direct linking - many of them have their own review pages so I don't dispute the fact they are making it work (somehow), but even their landing pages are showing up with quality scores that are poor according to google goggles.

Then again, with super long history, they could be paying .04 a click whereas everyone else is paying .50 and google goggles isn't totally accurate, but even with a good history in my own account, using the same exact keywords directly linked to THEIR review landing page as an experiment - I got quality scores less than 5, in many cases 3. If I linked to my own landing page, that could increase to 7 or 8 instantly with proper formatting. Going direct to clickbank was basically suicide.

It's interesting to compare the results between the two and if you check out what these dudes are promoting by direct linking - I think you'll be scratching your head wondering how the heck they are profitable too...
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No need to apologize, 4-runner, you're providing some great information here. Personally, I would like to thank you for sharing the knowledge you have gained from your testing.
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No need to apologize, 4-runner, you're providing some great information here. Personally, I would like to thank you for sharing the knowledge you have gained from your testing.
My pleasure Nick. I have refrained for a couple years from posting anything and have spent the majority of my time lurking - but now it's just becoming too much when seeing so many people getting led down the garden path...

always happy to share my experiences - good orbad.

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Guys,

IF the system works, I hardly doubt it, it is VERY easy for CC & Co. to filter the gold nuggets for their own personal use easily. Since they run out of inspiration to feed their system with keywords, they let us pay 2K to help them. *LOL* The data they show to us is so to say very "biased".
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IF the system works, I hardly doubt it, it is VERY easy for CC & Co. to filter the gold nuggets for their own personal use easily. Since they run out of inspiration to feed their system with keywords, they let us pay 2K to help them. *LOL* The data they show to us is so to say very "biased".
Hi John,

This could be true of any system that uses a central database that is owned, accessed and maintained by the system owner or their employees. I guess if you subscribe to a tool such as GCD, you are trusting that the owners will play fair. And, of course, all users of the system have access to the same data so there is no chance of discovering something unique -- if you've discovered a gold nugget, it's there for all other users to discover too.

And yes, you are helping them build up their database that might, one day, be sold off for a huge pile of cash. But, on the flip side, if the tool works and makes you a pile of cash too, so what? You're "scratching each other's back", so to speak.
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alherd, thanks for sharing your experience with GCD. After reading your post and a couple of others, I just sent a support ticket in for a refund for my GCD. I can surely find some resources here in the Warriors Forum and receive better mentoring than I was receiving with GCD.
I'm waiting for Refund for 12 days already and nothing. Called the bank today.
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I'm waiting for Refund for 12 days already and nothing. Called the bank today.
I asked for a refund too... and they said they've processed it. Hopefully this is true.

Like someone else already said, I tried cloning a 'successfully' campaign and fell flat on my face. Lesson learned, if something sounds too good to be true it probably is... I'm sure a lot of newbies got burnt too, because when I last checked out the forum, there wasn't a single post from a newbie who actually had positive results...
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I think you should keep yourself from trouble. It is a smart move on your part to ask this question at this time.
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I'm pretty new to warrior forums but have been keeping up w/ this thread and have "bought into" both PPC Classroom and GCD. I just got a horrible sinking feeling once I committed to GCD and started using it. The launch, support and training were a train wreck and I put in for a refund last week. Happy to report that I do already have my $ back.

Jury is still out on PPC - I don't like the way Anik keeps pitching anything and everything to members.

I didn't go for GCD2 (or 1). I can't really imagine what product that I would pay two grand for. It's a shame that for that kind of money they couldn't even work out the most basic elements of getting up and running.

I joined PPC Classroom after the first launch (Oct. '08 ?). I got that same sinking feeling just after the $$ transaction, and I had to wade through offer after offer before I could even get to the 'classroom.' It really is a major turn-off. It had a feeling of greed and desperation. I'll never look seriously at any other products from the same people.

Although I did learn a few things in PPC Classroom, I didn't feel there was nearly enough to ask for a monthly fee. I believe I paid an initial $77 and $29 monthly thereafter. It may have been a decent offering as a $47 ebook, if you were a complete newbie. Obviously I'm no longer a member.

It seems as though some of these so-called Gurus make their biggest money on their launches, so they just keep having one after another.
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They've reopened the stupid thing -
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A few new memberships are available for the Google Cash Detective!

As you know, we launched this incredible software and interactive
training system just over a month ago, yet despite the demand, we
closed the doors in order to keep our membership exclusive and to
maximize the value to our members.

Today, I have re-posted our launch blog so you can see all the videos
that led up to the launch while we open the doors again for just a
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If you want to quickly get up to speed with the latest techniques
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because these spots won't last long
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You're just a little bit off-the-pace my son.
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BTW my Adwords a/c was HACKED last night. Serious. Just waiting to hear back from Adwords - and isn't their Support a joke. Couldn't sleep last night so jumped back on the Mac and to my horror some a'hole had got in and added a €2000 a day campaign (cheap air tickets site) at €1.90 a bid. Has already cost me €220 and Adwords have shut down my a/c. Great. I suspect it has something to do with the open source TOR poxy proxy I've been running as a trial - writing a LP for a client who has a Proxy Server called "Identity Cloaker". This happened to anyone else?
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