snapper

Just goes to show that having marketing skills can be very lucrative.

It would seem that CC had massive problems with GCD1, but went away tweaked the product and then put his marketing skills to work and created a huge buzz. I don't think anyone could deny that there was a tremendous amount of hype prior to the second launch. There may have been the wise old heads sitting back waiting till after the launch, but there was also a massive amount of customers beating at the door prior to launch.

Once again the product did not live up to expectations...but will that be the end of CC marketing career - I don't think so.

He will wait a couple of years, most of the ho-ha will have died down and he will create a massive amount of hype for a new product - and do it all again.

Once again there will be the knockers, but in a sense they will be the voice of one crying in the desert because the good marketer appeals to a potential customers sense of greed, hope and all of that stuff and will once again create a pre-sale hysteria.

Who wins out of all this...the marketer and JV's.

There will be those who say 'he has done his dash this time' just like there would have been those who said the exact same thing after the launch of GC1. People forget, new people arrive on the block that want to believe the 'new' product will change their life yada yada yada. I would back it in that CC will create another product that
will rival the launch of GC2.

Will I be waiting at the front of the line...no - but he knows that he can find lots of people that will wait in the line and plonk their hard earned into his wallet.

He is a marketer and a darn good one at that. Maybe he needs to learn the back-end skills.

truthspace

So do you guys think that if the product is alright... and if followed properly and not just copying what he did on his videos and getting all crazy when it doesn't make you money - I mean he really didn't want you to copy his example he was showing in the first place... then it could be a really cool intelligence tool? and at the current price could be an ok deal to at least give it a whirl... or should we just get another intelligence tool like PPC Kahuna Elite which has not gotten a bad review on this forum to date. Also coupled with that using MSN's: Detecting Online Commercial Intention tool in adlabs is cool for finding "buying keyword" research... so what do you guys think?

Lothar Evers

Meanwhile I even doubt that. With this "over promise under deliver approach" he already has destroyed trust that he build offer a long period of time.
The latest:
the Google Cash Course I am buying is (in many episodes) the replay of the overpromising marketing videos we have seen before the initial (re)launch in April:
Cris surfing on the beach, skiing in Alaska under important headlines like:
"My Story, the promise, 7 Steps to financial freedom, How to work efficiently, Productivity and efficiency at your computer.
Other, more relevant ones like "Set up your adwords campaign" and track your results will not be published before the 7th or even 14th or 20th of July, long after the free trial. Nothing mentioned of this weekly release technique in the initial offer.

truthspace

It's like the old "bait and switch" tactic used by some shady people in the mortgage industry... ahhh it seems endless doesn't it....

bbyau

Also for PPC Classroom 2 members, we are supposed to get Google Cash 4 for free. That has been in the bonus section for months until Google Cash 4 just came out (?). But this does not seems to be true now. CC seems to be over promising but not delivering.

David.M

Would you guys say that this "gurus" reputation has been tarnished beyond repair?


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2Quick

Ramsey Ace, I have to strongly disagree! Chris C. is definately not legit! When GCD first came out, or even before it was out, there was an offer for 30 people to be working with him one on one. I got the message from the Google Shadow guy.
I watched Chris's video about this one on one mentoring and jumped on it very cheaply. I felt so lucky to have gotten early notice and to have gotten through the purchase phase. a few days later I am wondering why his page and video are still up. Getting suspicious, I told a friend online something does not smell too good here. I emailed Chris and he always got right back to me. So this told me he was not too busy or swamped with emails, like some business owners are and have to hire someone or many people to handle it all.
He got back to me always right off, but.....he sidestepped and never answered point blank my questions about this one on one stuff. He would just point me to one of the videos in his back office or an audio from some lady or a british guy.

There was never any one on one coaching at all. And just like with many of these Guru's products, you still have to fight and struggle with Keyword bidding, Ad copy, tracking and tweaking and all the stuff that gets in the way of success.

I had never heard of him before getting that email from Google Shadow people, but once I got involved with GCD, he started sending me tons of offers from other Guru's and partners.

Now I was on his list and that is all he was ever after in the first place.

Jeff

phil.wheatley

You guys are funny :-) I know you will flame me for this but if you spent as much time using it as to did sitting on this forum posting about it, you might be making some money. With what I learn just from his blog during the 7 day free trial, I have gone from one sale per week on a product, to two salels a day. I have also since launched a small clickbank campaign which made a profit in the first day by using keywords from somebody else's campaign (not just ripping off their ads I might add).

So, don't take this the wrong way, I used to be the same, but learnt that if you just go and use the bl**dy thing, you can do very well. I couldn't care less if I'm forced into the continuity, if you're gonna sign up for something, do it properly with commitment or don't bother at all. I can appreciate that some of the launch tactics regarding prices and stuff has been a bit..ummm....odd, shall we say, but at the end of the day, the tool is great and if used properly, worth a 1000 times the cost.

As for being too afraid to reply, I would suspect it is becasuse he has much better things to do like sitting on the beach and having a cold beer rather than j**king off in this thread.

Thanks,
Phil

phil.wheatley

Language!! he he Ok, well, fair enough, but I guess at the end of the day, he is a marketer and wants to make money, so to a degree, I take my hat off to him.

Phil

scottty64

It has been confirmed by poll after poll that more than the majority of people that are using gcd are losing money not making money with it. I have spent countless hours and have watched and rewatched video after video, started dozens of campaings and tweaked and retweaked them till they were tweaked out, even using the expertise of the person I joined under who promised to have me earning at least $500 a month if I joined under them. I attended the live seminars, I use direct linking as well as have built landing page after landing page and I have spent now in the thousands of dollars on ad costs and other miscellaneous stuff.

So before you go off and make that kind of statement to go and just use the bloody thing maybe you should go back and read some of the posts from people who actually did use the bloody thing. I dont just sit on my ass posting to forums cause I have nothing else to do. I am trying to be successful with gcd. Obviously I am not doing something right.

We...meaning the "original" people who paid a **** load of money to get in were promised we would have everthing needed to be successful with gcd and that we would'nt have to buy other things to go with it. 3 months later my mailbox is being filled with this great offer and that great offer from chris carpenter for gcd stuff.

Case in point...there is a thread in the gcd forum which is asking what do we want to see as future bonus' with gcd. The majority of those who responed had asked that we have a step by step videos of someone starting a new campaign from start to finish. Meaning we see how they are researching the product they will use, what key words they pick etc etc everything from start to finish and on the fly. So now 3 months later we get an email from mr chris that they have put together videos of exactly that. Only problem is...they want to charge us $100 to have access to them...what the F&%$ is that about. You ask us what we want as a bonus and you make it available BUT for a price...thats not a freaking bonus its just another way for them to fatten their alreally fat bank accounts.

I too thought I had a good campaign going when I first used gcd, in fact I got 4 sales the same day I put the campaign up and thought I hit the jackpot. 3 months later I never got another sale from that campaign and spent well over $600 to make about $95. So I wouldnt be celebrating just quite yet on your all of a sudden 2 sales a day victory from using a 7 day trial, it can end in a heartbeat and cost you thousands.

phil.wheatley

Hi Scotty

I take your points on board ok and I can understand where you're coming from. I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks as I thought I too was goin to have to pay a grand or two for the product.

The point I was trying to make was some people just spend a lot of time slagging people or systems off instead of trying to make it work, I'm sure you're not one of those. I don't doubt that many are not making money with the system, but this also happens with many systems, they simply don't do what is asked or expect too much without making investments in PPC.

Could it be that many are just trying to use GCD as shown in some of the main videos...i.e, find high gravity clickbank product, clone the ads, keywords, and expect to make money. Yes, maybe they have mislead people, because anybody should know that won't happen because everybody else is doing the same thing. I on the other hand, have used the information that GCD provides, and make money in areas that everybody else ISN'T looking at...just takes some thinking out the box. For example, I have my own product in a niche, so I used keywords from GCD which was promoting a product in the same niche and used those for my own campaign, and have increase my sales dramatically.

I do agree though that asking you to pay extra for that bonus video is a bit off, especially after the money you spent...so fair enough on that one.

...but what I have learnt, is a lot of energy can be wasted flaming in forums when it simply isn't going to achieve anything, time could be better spent on doing something to add to your business.

....haha, I say that and then here I am on this forum, oh well.

People buy these products because they think it's a push button system that will magically make them money...but as I'm sure you know, it will always take work one way or another.

Phil
p.s On a side note, I see you're from Canada, respect to Gordon Lightfoot and Devin Townsend, poles apart but both awesome.

Lothar Evers

well said and they know it:
I have attached a screenshot of a poll taken at the GCD training this morning:
A failure for most of the participants.
It looks like a sellout:
to many affiliates competing for the business

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The Copy Nazi

You take your hat off to him!!!Remind me never to buy anything from you or on your recommendation then. Have you even bothered to read right through this thread? There are a LOT of angry punters here. And we're not all raw newbies. And the reason we're bothering to post is that we are REALLY ANGRY about this whole thing. This whole MISREPRESENTATION - look it up.

scottty64

Thats exactly right decologne, everytime they do a poll more and more people are saying they are not making any money but losing it big time I am sure. It was good seeing the email from chris the other day saying they done up those new videos for us on starting a campaigne from scratch etc etc...and then the big disapointment right after reading that our bonus was not really a bonus after all and if we wanted to see the whole thing we better cough up another $100. Yes they showed the first video as a teaser for free and I have to say it was really good and I totally liked it but I'll be damned if I was going to fork out another $100 when the stupid thing should be part and parcel of the course. It's friggin training videos..it should be part of the program without any charge.

scottty64

lol come to think of it...hmmm

Lothar Evers

The longer I look at this launch I realize that Cris -and most other sellers- have one product and one product only:
"get rich quick!"
In case of PPC Bully and GCD with a twist: watch at your competitor. To copy him is easy.
While it is never wrong to watch the competition, the second part: copying is easy is where the lie starts. In real life -and it is no difference here the competition has the advantage of being in the market already. In case of PPC: has better click through rates and lower Costs per click. Maybe if you are Cris Carpenter it is easy to outbit every competitor in just topping his bids. But this is no strategy for an under capitalized newbie.
There is a second problem:
with tools like PPC bully and GCD more and more buyers compete for the same keywords. And the prices do what they are supposed to do in the case: go up. So the suggestion "if a campaign has been successful in March it must be successful nowadays too" is wrong too. Probably with less competition in March the costs per click than today when everybody and their dog are bitting for the same keywords.
An example, researched this morning:
the most popular fat loss product on clickbank is Fatloss4idiots. GCD shows 231 urls. with *4idiots* in it. And there might be many more directing to landing pages that include "4idiots". There will be many more promoting this product with different urls. This are simple to many urls. and their owners bidding for the same keywords.
When a gold rush is simplified and the masses come: run away or: sell shovels. GCD is just another shovel. The hard work to dig gold is not done by the shovel or its seller. It is up to us. And the best wasy to do it is:
discover a new (or at least: less known) mine!

scottty64

thats insane...I'm glad I will never fall into that trap again.

Lothar Evers

Same with me! Sp just for the record: I cancelled my GCG Membership yesterday on the 6th day of my $ 1 Membership. I used their support system inside GCD. Took a srennshot with date and time, just in case. Had a confirmation by Cris`s Team within two hours and my access was locked. Now lets hope that they not only cancelled that but my re billing too.

Steve Mount

LOL! I had a good laugh at this

bbyau

I went for the free 7 days trial with "no obligation" (no cc details). Luckily did not continue to the $1 trial with so called bonuses.

Lothar Evers

I will not know before the beginning of July because it will be on my next statement.

bpetric

I have cancelled my GCD membership as well and have got their confirmation that my credit card will be credited in few days. However I was only reimbursed a partial amount and not full as agreed. After several emails and no reaction from these guys I have filed for FRAUD with my credit card company. BTW, I am in Switzerland.

dr nelton

Look if you didn't sing for some of the up sell they have when you canceled , one of the then said that you are going to be charge half of the $97 for a light membership if you try it for 30 days.
I also try this product and canceled for a personal reason, but I found the material and the software very good,I will recommended .
Jose Ramirez

kab1973

Seems like there are a lot of disgruntled users of GCD. I have had access to it since the beta launch and do have to agree that there are a lot of hiccups in the system. That dreaded "No URL Info Found" comes to mind.

While I'm not heavy into PPC at the moment, I use the tool to quickly look at what offers certain marketers are using on specific keywords using the SlideShow feature. I can then use this info to build an organic search site around if I want.

I use it on occassion to see what's working for the PPC to Affiliate/CPA crowd. I can then use this info to come up with my own ideas for other types of marketing that's out there. Because if people are using it for PPC and if it's been up there for any length of time then it's an indicator that it should be working. Not always, but at least it's better then starting from ground zero.

Maybe someday I'll get heavy into PPC, but to be honest I've never had that much success with it. Just don't have deep enough pockets to find winning all the winning campaigns, I guess.

-Keith

4runner

Yep, that's exactly what I've been doing Keith. After finding what others have been doing, I build out an actual site and then run PPC to the site afterwards and Google gives it their blessing in terms of quality score... Direct linking with PPC is just too finnicky - I'm sure those who have deeeeep pockets can test and test and test and make it work, but I prefer a much more methodical due diligence process other than relying on ONLY how long others have been advertising on a keyword.

scottty64

From what I hear theres more and more everyday..but that not too surprising anymore.

Big Hombre

Guys (and Gals), all I can say is...

Thank Gawd I didn't fall for this pile of sh*t too.

I seriously debated going further into debt to get GCD after the debacle that was Arbitrage Conspiracy. In fact, the thought even crossed my mind: "Well, you got the money back from AC. Maybe you should spend it on GCD."

My hardening cynicism won the day, I'm very glad to say.

Thanks to everybody on this thread for telling it how it really is. I will add Chris Carpenter's name to my ever-expanding list of so-called "g-u-r-u-s" who are actually dirtbags, and move on...

Stay frosty, people!

-- Mann

wkriski

Rather than bash the creator, we could focus on debating whether this sort of data works - ie. do ads that run for months indicate a successful campaign? If not, what other ways could success be determined?

For example, if you know that an affiliate product is selling (high gravity, etc) than it's really a matter of having a converting sales page and getting appropriate traffic to the page. Most likely you will create a page and either not get enough traffic (due to high cost of clicks, etc) or you won't get the sales (poor copy, etc). Then after you've burned through a bunch of adwords cash, you will likely give up on this idea.

And secondly, if you believe in this approach, you could always take screenshots each week/month of search results pages for the keywords in your niche and see which ads are running over time. If you're browsing for hot niches and jumping around from one idea to another, you're probably never going to make any money or build a real business.

moneyslayer

Holy crap! Thanks for the info on this friggin scam you guys...

sandangel

Yes, a scam indeed!!! I am soooo glad that I learned about all of this before I ever gave out my credit card info! I am sickened that Chris Carpenter can get away with ripping innocent people off!!!

I would have fell for this if I had not spent hours upon hours researching Chris Carpenter. It amazes me as well as disgusts me that he has ripped people off over and over with the same line of excuses and bu!!**** for years now. Where is the justice in all of this?? Yeah, makes me wonder why Chris Carpenter lives in Mexico now. I do live in Mexico, but not because I screw people, but because my heart is here.

I am soooo thankful that this forum exist and that I found it and that I'm a part of it!!

Sandangel

thezone

People who were unable to get their money back would be better off filing a chargeback for fraudulent claims for any non-refunded money (including the monthly fee).

A lot of these type of "programs" really only make their money on so called 'non-refundable' monthly fees (and those individuals who can't be bothered attempting to get their money back). That is why they don't really give a **** about those "big purchase price numbers" or paying IM'ers big commission to sell these products as they make more in residuals and monthly then anything else.

However, if the "software" purchased will only "function" with access to data which is based on monthly fees (and you may even "agree" to the fact that the monthly fees are not refundable), the fee is refundable as long as the program is being returned on a money back guarantee, because it does not live up to any claims they used to sell it, that would be considered "unjust enrichment".

Anyone who does not attempt to get their money back, fund whoever is behind this and allow them to do it again. Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy has been and continues to be nothing more then a shill (sorry but I did see one (well part of one before I had to stop) of his videos, and this guy appears to have a limited intellectual capacity).

diggy20

I bought PPC Bully 2 and I tried the trial of GCD2 and I agree that both are worthless. I can't believe the hype those products got. Lucky for me I was able to get my money back on PPC Bully 2.

truthspace

That is the best, funniest, descriptive, awesomeness thing I've read on this guy yet: "limited intellectual capacity" hahahaha love it !!! so true... ahhh god thank you... (it's killing me softly)

PS: Let's have someone go down to his little Casa de Mexico and see what he's up to... we know where he is from his Google Earth zoom down video he gave us... and what his pad looks like... let's go say "hello" and pick some fruit and play on his computer and have him show us how he does what he does...hahahaha "Goober" X 1000000....

sandangel

OMG!!! What a good laugh I got out of reading your post! Too funny! Almost feels like I was there with ya, LMAO!

Sand

4runner

Although it is very apparent there are a lot of frustrated people here, I think people need to take a deep breath and not get too carried away with "accusations" of the vendors' and their marketing methods. Just do some due diligence when presented with these "shiny presentations" and try to differentiate the facts from the riff-raff personal attacks.

Having said that, I hope those of you that requested your refund got it promptly and without incident since there were obviously a lot of people asking for refunds.

Anyway, when it comes to purchasing tools and being "sold the dream", keep in mind that Chris or Emil or whoever didn't put a gun to your head to buy their tool - I used GCD and I didn't like it, so I got my refund. I chose to use PPC Bully instead and it works great for my needs because it has better filtering and exporting capability over GCD - end of story. I've launched multiple campaigns, profited from a few of them and dug up some interesting markets I wouldn't have been exposed to if it hadn't been for the tool. Just remember, it's a TOOL - simple as that. How YOU use the tool will yield different results based on your knowledge, persistance, budget, etc etc. The reason behind a failed campaign are more likely caused by a flawed bid strategy or your landing pages sucked or you had zero adwords history - not because the tool didn't expose a profitable keyword and ad. Blaming the tool (and Chris or Emil etc etc) is like blaming your pen you didn't pass an exam. So what if the pen was an $800 Montblanc? If you didn't study or understand what the subject matter was before you sat down to write the test (launch your campaign), you can't expect the pen to do "ALL" the work - and just because many others use the same pen and manage to pass with flying colors doesn't mean someone else will have the same success. The point is, don't blame the pen - learn the subject matter.

PubDirLtd

I tried GCD for about 6 weeks and then gave up and got a refund. The software was buggy, the support very poor and the results were not what was promised (why am I surprised?). Chris is a great marketer though. He just needs to learn not to promise what he can't deliver and he'll keep more of the cash, and so will his affiliates.

Yuma

I'm in the process of getting a refund (inc. all the upsells that were peddled).

PubDirLtd

I think I get the point you are trying to make but that analogy just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Mont Blanc don't claim their pen will make you independently wealthy (or pass exams), only that it will write; unlike Chris, who's claims went far beyond his or his software's ability to deliver.

Also, the idea that people weren't forced to buy is not a 'get out of jail free' card you can use instead of basic honesty or integrity in marketing.

My gut feeling is that, even in the IM world where truth and fiction are so often transposed, Chris's launch of GCD was a cynical attempt to part as many noobs as possible from significant amounts of cash, and from that point of view I think it can be said he is a 'successful' marketer.

I would not sleep easy in Mexico if I was him though.

Yuma

I also disliked the fact that the GCD forum was heavily moderated. Every single post I made had to be cleared.

This really, I feel, stopped everybody (esp. the noobs) getting an answer in a timely manner.

Did anyone sign-up for the PPC Reality course? I got as far as week 4 (out of week 6), and simply found it a waste of time. They has a so called seasoned IM guru called Jeremy Wilson who was trying to promote spam software. In week 4, he thought that it wasn't worth pursuing & just realised that most software are used for a trial period (i.e. 7,14,30 days), so even if he did make a sale, he wouldn't see the results for awhile (which was dumb for a 6-week GCD course).

I just feel he didn't do his homework before diving into a competive market.

Anyway, got my full refund (in writing anyway). Just hope I really get it. Otherwise I'm booking a cheap flight to Mexico, and it isn't for catching waves.

PubDirLtd

Yes, I found that part particularly annoying, not only because it slowed down the whole self-help idea of the forum, but because it was clearly a form of censorship on their part. Nothing the least bit derogatory to GCD or Chris got through. I know, because I tried on several occasions to make truthful, but none the less not particularly flattering, comments about the way the whole thing was being run. We were all treated like we were, well, just kids I suppose, even though we had paid a substantial chunk of pocket change to be there.

Google Cash Detective -- great marketing, you can learn a lot from Chris, but the product itself is outdated, a poor concept poorly executed, buggy and incomplete. Or at least it was when I was there some 4 months ago.

If its of any consolation, if you are within the terms of the guarantee, you WILL get your refund. At least, I did.

Good luck!

rojo

I did not get the reality course and I agree that the moderated forum its somewhat weird, but Google Cash Detective its a rock solid tool.

They are smart enough to let people decide for themselves, its only 1 dollar for the trial.

My 2c

Rappaport

I was extremely dissatisfied with this product, its "services", and the promised made to sell it.
I was not given a refund and I was not permitted to a charge back.
I was outside of the 30 days to decide.
It took me more than 30 days to fully scruntize the product and determine that it didn't work and that I didn't like it.
But, I paid-in $1600.
Because it took me 40 days to decide, does that justify keeping $1600 for something that didn't work?
Apparently so.
I was able to do everything I needed to do for free inside Google.
GCD charged me a ton and didn't do 1/3 of what Google did for bupkis.
There has got to be a remedy here.
The whole notion of "Oh, well. It's been more than 30 days. It doesn't matter if it doesn't work, you lose your money." doesn't sit well with me in principle or in the wallet.

entrepenerd

That's too bad that you're out your money, but I have to say that it's not really the fault of the GCD crew. They were very up front about the return policy from the beginning. It sounds like you had concerns about the product fulfilling your needs to begin with and should have spent the appropriate amount of time to "fully scrutinize" the product earlier on.

Sorry to say I can't support you on this one, but the onus was on you to make your decision before the 30 days was up. That's the way these things work. I DID get a refund on GCD without any issue because I made up my mind before the 30 days was up that it was not going to do what I wanted it to.

Good luck in future endeavors, but try not to hold a grudge on this one. Mark it up to a lesson learned.

Rappaport

So you feel, that if a product doesn't work as described, you should have to still pay for it based on a time frame?

entrepenerd

I feel that if you buy a product with the expectation to try it out and are aware of the limited time you have to do so and fail to do so, then you have no right to complain about having to pay for it. I felt that 30 days was a sufficient time to evaluate the product and make a buying decision if you were going to do so. I feel that it's unreasonable of you to expect that you should have an unlimited amount of time to decide if you're happy with a purchase or not. If you didn't think you were going to spend the first 30 days proactively evaluating the software, then you shouldn't have agreed to purchase in the first place. If the return period was unclear, or you had mislead, I'd be 100% behind you. But, in this case, you just didn't spend enough time evaluating the software and that leaves you holding the bag.

You need to keep in mind that there were many people involved in the launch of GCD and many needed to get paid for their efforts. I think it's unreasonable to expect Chris to hold off on paying those people their commissions because you might want to return the product well after the return period has expired.

What I would recommend is that you actually use the product to your advantage now and make so much money that the $1600 is inconsequential.

Rappaport

I completely disagree with you.
But that wasn't the question.
The question was if you feel you should still have to pay for something if it doesn't work because some time frame has passed.
You have no idea how proactive I was.
You also assume that I should care who Chris has to pay for what.
All I care about as a paying customer is whether or not I was sold a bill of goods and if my money was well-spent, justified, and worthwhile or not.
For you to actually state, with any level of assurity, that I did or did not spend enough time evaluating the "product", as if you can comment on that or possibly know if I did or didn't, tells me that your opinion, while your's to state, is not one that I can consider having any credibility.
And I don't mean that as a personal "gotcha", or anything like that, because I don't know you at all, I'm just saying that what you have had to say about this issue hasn't impacted or changed my stance at all, which is fine.
I'm glad you got your money back.
I'm not glad that I haven't.

cypherslock

Two Words: MARKET SAMURAI

PubDirLtd

No, unfortunately for you, its not "fine".

Because what you are saying, in effect, is that everyone has to live by the simple rules of the money back guarantee that was offered to both you and to us, and which we ALL accepted, but that you do not have to.

You can live by whatever rules YOU wish to apply.

The reason that it is not "fine" for you is that you have not learned, apparently, from your mistake and as a result, have not got your money back and are now boring the pants of us about it here.

But it is fine for us though, we followed the rules and "we" got our money back.

Put it down to inexperience - yours.

If it doesn't kill you, its a cheap lesson.

Rappaport

I'll decide what's fine for me, not you.
Additionally, I most certainly am not saying what you said I am.
Don't you put words in my mouth.
If you don't have a problem paying for something that doesn't work, despite some arbitrary time frame, more power to you.
I do have a problem with it, though.
I also have enough experience to know that if something is "boring the pants of" me that I certainly wouldn't invest any more energy into it, like by posting a reply, or something.
Thank you.

Rappaport

phd2000

I went all the way to the end of this pain-full GCD-PPC" Reality Bootcamp, Chris said this was Jeremy's $700 training. This was a "professional failure" desaster that dragged on for 6 weeks. It took 6 weeks, hours of time, & $1000 loss to pull the plug - FAIL FAST???? I asked for a refund, they said it was only for the first week.
paul