Google Cash Detective?

Steve Mount · 03-05-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by artsub

Other mentioned options are much better that Google Cash Detective

Thank you for that informative post. You really opened my eyes!

pgreenwo · 03-05-2009, 08:05 AM

OK, while this discussion has been going on, I've been doing some research and thinking...perhaps I can share what I've thought and found so far, putting aside the marketing hype? I know no-one is going to thank me for this (rather long) post, but I hope some people find it useful. Here goes: The GCD people are making a few claims, including:

1)They have a database of a few month's data about the presence & absence of PPC ads on Google Search engine sponsored results. This includes ad creative, links, keywords and landing pages for approx 2.5 million keyword phrases.

2)They have built a system that allows you to query their database to profile on the basis of keyword, link structure, and ads.

3)They have built human interfaces that let you inspect variations in ad creative for an identified affiliate.

4)They have built human interfaces that allow you to quickly browse through landing pages from ad links.

These are all shown by the videos, and are directly testable. Furthermore they claim:

5)Their system is robust enough for wide-scale use.

6)The system is an efficient mechanism for keyword research for PPC-based affiliate marketing (this has two components, usability and data accuracy).

We appear to have a beta tester on record who has supported those claims. Now we're on some more wooly ground...they make these further claims:

7)If an affiliate ad persists in a high ranking spot for a keyword phrase over an extended time then it is currently profitable for the promoter of an affiliate product.

8)If it's profitable for the promoter then it will be profitable for you as an incremental promoter of the affiliate product.

9)It is currently possible to make substantial profits by direct-linking from the ad to the affiliate page, using an affiliate link.

These are hard to validate without doing a large scale test; they are safe things to claim, because the test environment isn't stationary; the impact of the test will change it.

Claim 7) refers to identifying a symptom of a profitable campaign; all diagnoses are subject to the problem of false positives...so it is possible to identify the symptom and mis-diagnose the underlying cause. The same symptom could indicate, for example:

An affiliate marketer who has taken their eye of the ball (perhaps because their overall portfolio is doing quite all right thank-you-very-much, or their measurements aren't up to the job) or is behaving irrationally.

An affiliate marketer who uses a big sample size before making a go/no go decision about a campaign.

A campaign that used to be successful, and is being given a chance to return to profitability. The problem here is that you don't know in advance when that might be, in the same way that a forex trader doesn't!

A vendor masquerading as an affiliate (to boost their ratings). The economics of this approach are different than for a regular affiliate.

Advertiser whose cost of advertising is lower than yours (a long term account holder, and/or a big spender, or a JV arrangement with Google for some other reason) or with a special revenue sharing arrangement.

A remnant campaign from a product launch that has ended.

A campaign whose timing is precise, but happens to coincide with the times the data is sampled.

A campaign that is working on a specific geography that you are unaware of.

A campaign for which the landing page content is crucial for improving the conversion rates.

Experimenter error – that is, it's successful, but your test provided results that were incorrect, perhaps on the basis of your sample size, or something else.

Claim 8) is also problematic. Buying into a keyword campaign involves you in a market, and as we've seen from the financial world, markets are chaotic – sometimes they masquerade as being tame, other times they turn savage. On this basis, an incremental advertiser could drive prices way up; I'm sure Google has modelled it, but they're probably not sharing the results with us – Google has got an amazing portfolio play with Adwords / Adsense, and we're the ones taking the commercial risks!

Also, it is feasible that an incremental advertiser could change conversion rates! Certainly, if I detect a feeding frenzy (lots of Adwords pointing to the same place, lots of Adwords making hypey claims), then my guard is raised when I get to the landing page. I'm also spoiled for choice, and I might start exploring...reviewing the review sites, seeing if I can find the vendor themselves, direct.

Claim 9) is valid if Google hasn't prevented it! Logically, there will always be some opportunities where direct linking works. There will also be campaigns where it doesn't...and that depends on the efficiency of the landing page.

So now on to the results of my research:

GCD will speed up your ability to find niches where profits can be made, and structure campaigns to capture the profit compared to a tool that requires you to identify the keywords first, then capture information about competition.

As such, it will significantly reduce your time-to-market for an affiliate campaign. And there is real value in that! (Claim 6) If you are a newbie to the area of PPC, GCD may save you weeks of research and trial and error.

My concern is that the same information you have will be available to a large group of other people, who may distort the markets...and the launch process being used by GCD may exacerbate this issue. I expect this effect won't be large, and won't be long, and it can be side-stepped by avoiding aggressive sorting of the data – choose a niche idea first, rather than sort the whole of Clickbank's URLs for the most consistent, highest volume advertiser!

Also, you'll need additional tools if you want to run enough of a portfolio to get a consistent income – and I don't know yet whether these are included in the Google Cash Automator – maybe someone else here does? You'll want to be able to track the profitability of your campaigns by keyword; you may want a bid management tool once your spend makes it worthwhile; you may also want to manage domain names and potentially you'll want to propagate keyword targeted landing pages, link cloaking. And if you do landing pages, then you need to think through content and copy, and where you acquire that from...

You'll also need to be wary of over-trading, as the costs and profits come out of different accounts.

mott · 03-05-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Mount

I've been thinking about this software through out the last day or two.

Seems to me that either:

1. It's too good to be true

or

2. You simply CANT go wrong. I mean, if you really do straight COPY the ad and landing page off of a campaign that's been running rock solid for 90-100 days straight... then wouldn't you be 99% sure that you WILL eventually profit from that ad?

I'm thinking that it's just too early to tell at this point. Copying the campaigns in the video is pretty foolish if you ask me. You KNOW that probably 100 other people are doing the same thing.

Once we all get our hands on the software, and start looking at cloning successful ads outside of the IM niche, then I guess we'll find out if this software actually delivers the goods.

I'm really hoping that this software is as good as it looks.

Yeah Steve, that's what I said earlier (though you said it better)...if person A is successful at something, and you do EXACTLY what person A does, then you will be successful! Sounds logical to me.

But of course if 100 others also copy person A, then there is the problem with too much competition. Then you might not be as successful, since we are competing with each other and there is just so much one can win.

So if GCD is actually doing what it says it's doing, then I don't see a problem; the trick is to copy something no one else has copied.

evertd · 03-05-2009, 08:43 AM

Thanks for everyone bringing up good food for thought. I guess in the end it is a question of whether you see value in it and believe that it will pay back your investment. At $997 up front it is pretty steep, but the $97 per month after that is probably pretty good value IF you actually use the research it provides.

And if you just want to make money out of the inevitable feeding frenzy to commence on Monday, check out the JV page: GC Detective JV Partner Blog

4morereferrals · 03-05-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by baronig

thanks this post is eye opener.I wish more people would have know about this post before buying GC.

i did post this link on his blog and guess what? it was never posted

The software isnt for sale yet? Launches 3/10/09 ???

4morereferrals · 03-05-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by artsub

Other mentioned options are much better that Google Cash Detective

Care to explain further ... bold statement - would love to hear more proof.

mott · 03-05-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pgreenwo

I know no-one is going to thank me for this (rather long) post, but I hope some people find it useful.

Thank you pgreenwo!!!

Actually this is a well thought-out post, you put a lot of thought into it and raised some great points. I guess there is more to this than assuming a campaign that ran for 100 days has been successful and should be jumped on. Perhaps this system has cross-checking to see that the campaign is actually a money-making one, and doesn't fall into the categories you mentioned (or one can do other research to determine that).

So really thanks for the great post.

vince8151 · 03-05-2009, 10:08 AM

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if person A is successful at something, and you do EXACTLY what person A does, then you will be successful! Sounds logical to me.

Unfortunately this is far from what really happens in IM.
I'll go out on the limb and say it's about 95% impossible to copy a method exactly and be successful.

Mott, if I sat you down right next to me and you watched what I did all day, (multiple PPC campaigns going for the singles, not the home run), and if you listened to me explain what I was doing without falling asleep, and then you went home and tried it yourself, you would FAIL.

What I do has evolved from trial and error over an embarrassing long time to what it is today and will almost with certainty change again tomorrow. No way could you copy this or any other method out there, I don't care who's method it is and I don't care how they guarantee it or all the swell bonuses,(boneruses), they give you.

It's an easy sale for someone selling the plan,method,program,software etc.. do what I do and prosper.

Truth of the matter it just doesn't work for the buyer because most buyers won't put in the time to learn the method, then adapt it to their own style. And that's the key point and is precisely why most,(95%) of the people fail at this business.

If everyone could copy and be successful, there would be about 100 zillion million richer then **** Internet Marketers out there living in Mexico making cool videos.

mott · 03-05-2009, 11:14 AM

Vince, that isn't quite what I meant.

I will make a bold statement right now. If you put your "system" on paper where you make X dollars a year, and you left NOTHING out, and you give me FEEDBACK when I make mistakes, then I GUARANTEE you that I would make what you make in a year, if I stuck with the system long enough. There is no way I can fail.

You are right...the reason there aren't a zillion marketers making a fortune is because they don't try hard enough, they don't stay with it, they are afraid to make mistakes, or don't learn from the ones they make, or they aren't given everything they need to know, and are too lazy to look for the missing pieces. They don't make the X overnight so they quit. They start out, do it for a week, and then abandon it and try the new flavor in town.

It's like dieting. Here is another bold statement: ALL DIETS WORK! They all help you lose weight. The problem is, people don't lose the 100 pounds in a day, and so they quit. Or they lose it and then don't follow through on how to keep the weight off, and so they gain it back again.

If you were a successful carpenter, and I studied under you and did everything you did, over time I would be a successful carpenter. Same with dancing, skiing, and internet marketing. No not in one day, and not if I don't have the desire and am unwilling to stay with it after I fall on my face.

As for GCD, what I was saying was, if you duplicated successful ads you'll have successful ads too. I'm not saying Chris' product will make everyone who uses it a millionaire. But I do say that if Chris' product shows successful ads, and you duplicate the efforts, then you'll have successful ads.

I bake a great tasting cake, and you follow my recipe to the max, you'll have a great tasting cake too (maybe not at first try, but eventually if you stick with it).

wizzie · 03-05-2009, 02:43 PM

come on... just give me the order link

ben565 · 03-05-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by evertd

In my humble opinion you got what GCD promises. You got your ad shown and you got clicks on it. Once it goes to the sales page, then it is up to the sales page to actually make the sales.

Actually GCD promises how to find a successful campaign in under 10 mins.
Gcd promises that if an ad is running 99/100 days then you will make money if you copy it,which i did and i lost money on it.

So getting your ad shown and getting clicks on it is not was GCD promises,anyone can slap up an ad and get clicks on it.

gohrayson · 03-05-2009, 04:18 PM

I'm not sure anyone has announced this but Google Cash Detective has 2 payment plans... it was mentioned in the blog posted earlier... but here goes anyway.

Apparently You Pay US$997 Upfront with $97 dollars monthly subscription

OR

US$1997 (inclusive of 12 months of GCD & GCA )

One big price tag on this one~

O.o

Peace~

baronig · 03-05-2009, 07:26 PM

It always amazes me if this tool is so profitable why reveal it to the public?why not Chris does not keep it to himself?

schnisz · 03-05-2009, 07:31 PM

Do the math. $1000 plus $97.00/month for how many thousands on his list? Granted he will split with affiliates, but thats money! In theory the software looks pretty awesome. Very much out of my price range though. I hope somebody comes up with a less expensive option. I understand PPC fairly well, I'm a member of PPC classroom, however I am gunshy about spending 80 bucks a day to "test" a campaign espcially when the stats quoted to me are 9 out of 10 campaigns fail.

DonDavis · 03-05-2009, 08:50 PM

I bought this product when it was offered to 30 people as a pre-launch type of thing. I don't recall if it was an offer for beta testers specifically or not. At any rate I paid $197 up front with a monthly of $97. At that time they were saying that the eventual price would be $497 at launch. I guess they re-evaluated the pricing if it's going to be released at $997.

I remember another product that created the same sort of buzz about a year and a half ago or so. I don't recall the name for sure. Undercover Profits maybe? That software pretty much delivered the same information that GCD does except you had to identify your keywords/ads and then track them to gather the data. So if you wanted to see how frequently an ad was running you needed to track it over time to find out. The big difference here is that this information is already available to you as they have been tracking 2.5 million keywords since about October (I think they said).

To me the weakness with this software is that you are relying mainly on one thing to determine profitability, and that is the amount of time the ad has consistently ran on the adwords network. That alone is not enough to make a decision as to whether the ad is profitable or not.

-Is the advertiser building a list and using an autoresponder to increase his conversions?
-Does he have a backend product of his own that he is also selling to the list?
-What is his quality score/ cost per click?
-Is he stuffing cookies?

And those are just a few.

You cannot get the whole picture by simply looking at the amount of days that he has consistently ran a certain ad. The software can show you a large part of the picture but not all of it. There is still a lot of research that has to be done if you want to eliminate as much risk as possible. That can be very time consuming if you are analyzing several campaigns. Not really what I want to be doing myself, but to each his own.

Some of the campaigns I ran lost money and some of them made money. I had three campaigns slapped because I was direct linking. I then tried redirecting and had a couple campaigns outright shut down for doing that.

So I am convinced the only way to approach it is to register your own domain for each product you want to promote, do a little preselling on a landing page (which includes an optin of course), and then provide your affiliate link to your visitor to proceed with the purchase. This was no revelation though as that is the only way I have been willing to run adwords for affiliate marketing anyway. In my opinion if you are spending the money on the ads and not building a list from it, then you are not making effective use of your money.

This is a very slick software and it works just like you see in the videos. However it is not the magic button that will provide you with fail proof campaigns as represented in the sales hype. You can certainly use the software to help you identify campaigns that appear profitable on the surface, but you had better be willing to follow through and find out as much about that campaign as you can before moving forward with it. Everything is not always as it appears on the surface!

pcalvert · 03-05-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ben565

I set up the same campaign in the rev phone niche with the same keyword,ctr,ad position and direct linked and after 152 clicks i have had only 1 sale and yet chris was converting at 1:15, how come such a huge difference as i was duplicating his campaign exactly?

Because of the small sample size, the results are statistically meaningless. In other words, the results shown don't actually prove that the software works, they only give the appearance that it works. It's kind of like someone promoting a stock trading system by showing you a chart of one stock that the system made a killing on during one time period. It may look impressive, but it doesn't tell you anything about how the system will perform over the long haul.

Phil

vince8151 · 03-05-2009, 10:21 PM

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Everything is not always as it appears on the surface!

Excellent review Don.
Just what this thread needed.

cms418 · 03-06-2009, 12:01 AM

I totally agree with Mott.

GCD can be a very useful tool. Test each campaign that "apperars to be successful" for at least a week and if it is smooth and proves to be profitable keep it running. If not pack up and move to the next one. As long as you are continually involved in marketing and testing different products and niches, you WILL stumble upon products and services that convert. Trust me I have been in this game long enough now to realize that.

Any one else in this game should agree. I would also attest that most would agree when we say that marketing in this way will cost you money and you better be prepared to shell out.

Those who are in to get rich quick should take a step back and think about what they are getting into.

Also for some people: please stop making claims about the price when you have no idea what it will cost.

gohrayson · 03-06-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cms418

Also for some people: please stop making claims about the price when you have no idea what it will cost.

The price has already been confirmed.

It's $997 with $97 monthly subscription or $1997 for the software inclusive 12 months subscription of GCD & GCA...

I know what GCD means but no idea of GCA.

Commissions are $450 upfront and $25 monthly

AND

upfront $900 PER SALE.

No wonder Mike Filsaime has already promoting his product.

gohrayson · 03-06-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by baronig

It always amazes me if this tool is so profitable why reveal it to the public?why not Chris does not keep it to himself?

One of the reason why he's selling it to the public is because presumably that he's SPENT over $350'000 in this software. How many campaigns or how long must he spent to get back the money?

6 months?

4 months?

By selling to the public, he would have get perhaps half or even the whole cost of production back and he'll still be able to use the software himself, or he could just sit back and earn the $97 monthly fee.

100 people buys package with monthly fee = $9700 / MONTH.

So why not? I would

jhollar · 03-06-2009, 02:19 AM

am really surprised that the numbers in GCD seem to be way off. One of the videos talked about a keyword "refund tax" which is supposed to have 550K searches a month.

Google's keyword tool only shows 90K searches for the broad match and just 880 searches for exact match.

Even if google is a bit off, there's still a massive discrepancy between both numbers.

Once could be mislead by GCD into assuming that this is a hugely profitable keyword and then spend time and money only to discover that the traffic is nowhere near what GCD painted it to be...

pgreenwo · 03-06-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by schnisz

Do the math. $1000 plus $97.00/month for how many thousands on his list? Granted he will split with affiliates, but thats money! In theory the software looks pretty awesome. Very much out of my price range though. I hope somebody comes up with a less expensive option. I understand PPC fairly well, I'm a member of PPC classroom, however I am gunshy about spending 80 bucks a day to "test" a campaign espcially when the stats quoted to me are 9 out of 10 campaigns fail.

There are less expensive options - you can build your own database with a tool costing <$30!

Review this thread to discover them named on page 1. You just have to do a bit more work, and waiting...

pgreenwo · 03-06-2009, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jhollar

am really surprised that the numbers in GCD seem to be way off. One of the videos talked about a keyword "refund tax" which is supposed to have 550K searches a month.

Google's keyword tool only shows 90K searches for the broad match and just 880 searches for exact match.

Even if google is a bit off, there's still a massive discrepancy between both numbers.

Once could be mislead by GCD into assuming that this is a hugely profitable keyword and then spend time and money only to discover that the traffic is nowhere near what GCD painted it to be...

This is a very seasonal keyword. Check Google Trends...Google Trends: refund tax

Big launch campaigns take a lot of work to get together, so the video may have been shot a while back...

cms418 · 03-06-2009, 09:37 AM

I would like to know where this information on price is posted? On Chris Carpenter's site it says people are expecting this to be thousands of dollars, which it won't.

4morereferrals · 03-06-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cms418

I would like to know where this information on price is posted? On Chris Carpenter's site it says people are expecting this to be thousands of dollars, which it won't.

Well then advise us as to how you know it WONT be that much?

I suspected that the pricing being quoted in this thread had to be leaked from the potential JV partners, or those that know them.

If you want somebody to JV your product to their list you'd better be promoting before the launch date of 3/10/09 - right? Surely the info exists - just because Chris' site isnt broadcasting it to you Pre Launch - which would wouldnt make much sense to do so ... doesnt mean people here on the warrior forum are NOT in the know.

If you've got facts and knowledge that the product wont be 1997.00 a copy - please be sure to advise us what it really will be and how you came across this credible info.

thank you.

AffiliateMax · 03-06-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cms418

I would like to know where this information on price is posted? On Chris Carpenter's site it says people are expecting this to be thousands of dollars, which it won't.

Pricing was posted on the affiliate program /JV link posted by another poster (evertd) above:
GC Detective JV Partner Blog

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evertd · 03-06-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cms418

I would like to know where this information on price is posted? On Chris Carpenter's site it says people are expecting this to be thousands of dollars, which it won't.

If you actually read the thread you'd see I posted the link to the JV Invitation page several posts ago. And on that page the whole pricing structure is laid out.

As for the videos, they must have been made several weeks ago. I noticed in one of the videos he visits a clickbank product's pitch page, and if you look at the same page now it looks completely different.

In the videos he also speaks about most of the campaigns having been tracked 90 - 100 days, or that type of timeframe. And they claim they've been collecting data since October. I know this is just conjecture, but 90 - 100 days would put you somewhere in early January.

jhollar · 03-06-2009, 10:45 AM

I am curious about one thing - how is Chris doing a direct linking to reversephonedetective.com using some other domain?

Since the display and destination URL have to be the same,is he doing a domain redirect?

Does that still work with google?

vince8151 · 03-06-2009, 11:29 AM

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Since the display and destination URL have to be the same,is he doing a domain redirect?

Does that still work with google?

Google doesn't check each url all of the time or if they do, they let it go.

I get caught every once in awhile on a re-direct.

When they catch you they continue to watch that one adgroup, not the campaign.
If I want to keep it going, I'll slap up a fast blogger and use it as a landing page.

DonDavis · 03-06-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jhollar

I am curious about one thing - how is Chris doing a direct linking to reversephonedetective.com using some other domain?

Since the display and destination URL have to be the same,is he doing a domain redirect?

Does that still work with google?

That is exactly why if you are buying this with the intent of direct linking or redirecting, you are probably wasting your time. No they won't catch them all. Yes they will slap your wrist if they catch you. But why chase your tail like that? How many slaps on the wrist before they close your adwords account? I don't care to find out myself. Why not setup your landing pages on your own domain and be done with it?

Yusuf · 03-06-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gohrayson

I know what GCD means but no idea of GCA.

GCA = Google Cash Automator -- which is basically the tool to automatically load the keywords and ads in to your Google Adwords account.

Not sure if he's going to sell them separately but on the videos at the top of the page it shows two tabs, one for GCD and one for GCA. He shows a brief demo of GCA in video 4 "Making Money as FAST as possible!"

From a marketing perspective, maybe he thinks that if he presents them as 2 separate products then it appears he is giving a great deal by selling them together.. though I really can't imagine how he expects the average beginner in this economy to put up $1,000 (or "$997") and then $100 (or "$97") every month. On the other hand, there is the other option of paying $2,000 (or "$1,997") upfront. Maybe that is one of the downsides to living in a remote place like on the coast of Mexico... it causes you to be out of touch with reality.

In order to rationalize all of this I'm expecting he'll give the first month free with the deposit of the $997 along with a x-day money back guarantee. Then the sales letter or video will proceed to tell you how easy it will be for you to make that $997 back in no time along with the rest of the years monthly costs so don't panic.

DonDavis · 03-06-2009, 01:50 PM

We are hearing a lot in the states these days about how violent it is in Mexico, and how the drug lords are running rampant. There are reports of Mexican gangs kidnapping people of wealth etc. I don't how accurate any of these reports are, but where there is smoke, you'll usually find fire. Is it a good idea to be calling yourself an internet millionaire and disclosing your remote location in Mexico?

Just something that came to mind as I watched Chris' super cool videos. Frank has nothing on this guy as far as the cool factor

evertd · 03-06-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DonDavis

We are hearing a lot in the states these days about how violent it is in Mexico, and how the drug lords are running rampant. There are reports of Mexican gangs kidnapping people of wealth etc. I don't how accurate any of these reports are, but where there is smoke, you'll usually find fire. Is it a good idea to be calling yourself an internet millionaire and disclosing your remote location in Mexico?

Just something that came to mind as I watched Chris' super cool videos. Frank has nothing on this guy as far as the cool factor

Mexico is a BIG place. I believe most of the violence would be around Mexico city and the central parts. Where Chris lives there is literally almost nothing other than some tourist traps a little north of there. My company had a business weekend near there a few months ago. It is very beautiful and I'm sure the Mexican authorities do everything they can to keep the tourists sheltered from the realities of Mexican life, tourism is a major part of their GDP.

Jay Es · 03-07-2009, 02:34 AM

hey all - i'm fairly new to all of this, so excuse me if this is a dumb question. But how important is using any "spy" software for things like this? If you are doing affiliate promotions for product x and if you go to google and search for "product x" and then print out the search results and come back and do it 3 weeks later and look at who is still in those same positions for that term, don't you know obviously who is being successful?

i've seen other tools that claim to show you bid prices but is there any way that a tool can actually have correct data for that? doesn't the bid price depend on factors like your adwords account history and your QS and other factors?

so...if you're the top advertiser for "product x" and a bunch of newbies buy this product and start bidding after product x, wouldn't they start with much higher bid prices because they don't have the history established with Google? Doesn't Google reward successful advertisers?

can anyone clear this up?

p.s. and in these kinds of threads it's always odd to me when people can't cite clear and consistent numbers. If one person claims they had a $100 day or lets say even a $1000 day - it's a bit meaningless if that was their only successful day. Because if they made $100 on one day in 20 days for example they are really making less than $5 a day, right? and it's misleading for that person to make it sound like they're averaging $100 a day!

so - i'll repeat the chorus - anyone out there having CONSISTENT success with this and can share the types of consistent average daily profit they are making?

thanks

Shift · 03-07-2009, 04:21 AM

Quote,`wouldn't they start with much higher bid prices because they don't have the history established with Google?'

I'm neither for nor against GCD but listened to a teleseminar Mark Ling from affilorama dot com did with Chris Carpenter and in it Chris gives details about his bidding strategy.
He explains how he initially starts with a higher bid than required and then gradually lowers it.
If you're interested then listen to the call, it's freely available at the above mentioned site.

I think any PPC marketer who isn't a newbie already knows that to simply copy someone's campaign isn't going to work in the long run.

And it's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that just because an ad has been running for months doesn't mean it's converting very well.
Some of the reasons for this have already been mentioned in this thread but I know personally that I do have some campaigns that don't convert very highly but I keep them because the CPC is very low (due to using my own strategies) and the clicks often convert into leads.

2c.

Jay Es · 03-07-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shift

Quote,`wouldn't they start with much higher bid prices because they don't have the history established with Google?'

I'm neither for nor against GCD but listened to a teleseminar Mark Ling from affilorama dot com did with Chris Carpenter and in it Chris gives details about his bidding strategy.
He explains how he initially starts with a higher bid than required and then gradually lowers it.
If you're interested then listen to the call, it's freely available at the above mentioned site.

I think any PPC marketer who isn't a newbie already knows that to simply copy someone's campaign isn't going to work in the long run.

And it's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that just because an ad has been running for months doesn't mean it's converting very well.
Some of the reasons for this have already been mentioned in this thread but I know personally that I do have some campaigns that don't convert very highly but I keep them because the CPC is very low (due to using my own strategies) and the clicks often convert into leads.

2c.

yes, i did listen to that call and understood his approach to lowering bids. i get that part.

but the question i was raising...my understanding is that there is a historical factor in bid pricing - is this correct? (e.g. if you see a guy in slot one you can't swoop in and bid what he's bidding and beat him out of spot #1 because he has built up a history which has given him a conversion rate. You are are starting at 0% for that campaign and have a long way to go to be on parity. And he's built up a history with google too. For you to overtake him, Google would have to make a greater profit which would mean that you would have to have both a high CTR rate and a high bid price, right??

AffiliateMax · 03-07-2009, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Es

but the question i was raising...my understanding is that there is a historical factor in bid pricing - is this correct? (e.g. if you see a guy in slot one you can't swoop in and bid what he's bidding and beat him out of spot #1 because he has built up a history

That is basically correct, yes.

Yusuf · 03-07-2009, 09:08 AM

Chris states that the #1 spot has a low ROI. He says you don't want to have the #1 spot because many people who click the #1 ad are not interested in really purchasing anything and this will therefore cause you to lose money.

What's your thoughts on that?

Shift · 03-07-2009, 09:30 AM

I don't claim to be an expert but I'll answer my best.

Quote,`For you to overtake him, Google would have to make a greater profit which would mean that you would have to have both a high CTR rate and a high bid price, right?'

My understanding is that the higher your CTR is the lower your bid price, but you must also have a great QS. For example some of my landing pages have a QS of 9 and the clicks are very cheap.
But the most important thing is that Google serves relevant ads to their users, and a high CTR helps to prove that your ad is relevant to the keyword the user is searching for.
So I don't believe it's money driving the Google game but it's very important for Google to deliver the most relevant organic and paid results (besides we all know that they make a lot of money providing such a service).

If your CTR is very poor (the consensus seems to be under 2%) then delete that ad and start again.

Shift · 03-07-2009, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusuf

Chris states that the #1 spot has a low ROI. He says you don't want to have the #1 spot because many people who click the #1 ad are not interested in really purchasing anything and this will therefore cause you to lose money.
What's your thoughts on that?

The most important point is for you to test for yourself. Don't take Chris's or anyone else's word because if you test for yourself in a particular niche/market/product you may find that the #1 ad spot converts the best.

2c.

Yusuf · 03-07-2009, 09:41 AM

Shift, great advice there is no real "one size fits all" strategy. Thanks!

lassitermarketing · 03-07-2009, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onefreekiwinz

Use Matt Cullens KeyWordSpy...

His data is 30 days behind...

AlexKaplo · 03-07-2009, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgreenwo

A campaign that is working on a specific geography that you are unaware of.

Wow, good point! How are we supposed to know if a specific campaign is profitable if the advertiser is only advertising it in a specific country...

...After hearing Chris's teleseminar I recall him saying that the GCD does not detect countries outside of the USA!

This is something that was to be brought up and that we have to be aware of... the only thing I can think about to try to solve is take a sample off the information that GCD gives you and I guess take a risk from there and try to promote it in the countries you think the campaign will be profitable in.

Best Regards,

Alex

thatmartin · 03-07-2009, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben565

I set up the same campaign in the rev phone niche with the same keyword,ctr,ad position and direct linked and after 152 clicks i have had only 1 sale and yet chris was converting at 1:15, how come such a huge difference as i was duplicating his campaign exactly?

I really hate to call someone a scammer but...
When you look at the video again, you will see in his AdWords account that his target URLs pointing directly to CB contain something like "tid=123" but the CB report shows different (meaningful) tid's.
This means the sales he presented in the video were generated by a different campaign/adgroup.

Guru · 03-07-2009, 08:16 PM

Hi I think this is best spy software so far in the market. Yes lots of people will make money from it and yes 80% plus people will not make any money from it. BTW I am offering big bonus for GCD and you can get it from here Google Cash Detective

Good Luck Guys!

Admin - if this is against the forum law pls delete my link above

brand-all · 03-07-2009, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

Hi I think this is best spy software so far in the market. Yes lots of people will make money from it and yes 80% plus people will not make any money from it. BTW I am offering big bonus for GCD and you can get it from here Google Cash Detective

Good Luck Guys!

Admin - if this is against the forum law pls delete my link above

Well, Yes it is actually against the rules "Bob" but I clicked on your link, and...
Here's the deal. You provide (on your blog page) the following information and I will buy from your link. The information to supply is;
Your full name and street address. Your land line and mobile phone numbers. Your real email address and a written guarantee that you will honor your promised bonus. This guarantee is to supplied via snail mail to a postal address that I will give to you once you have provided the above information.
I will also require you to tell me exactly how you intent to fulfill the bonus.

Cheers
Bill

Guru · 03-08-2009, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand-all

Well, Yes it is actually against the rules "Bob" but I clicked on your link, and...
Here's the deal. You provide (on your blog page) the following information and I will buy from your link. The information to supply is;
Your full name and street address. Your land line and mobile phone numbers. Your real email address and a written guarantee that you will honor your promised bonus. This guarantee is to supplied via snail mail to a postal address that I will give to you once you have provided the above information.
I will also require you to tell me exactly how you intent to fulfill the bonus.

Cheers
Bill

hey pm me for my details. I can see you are in australia so I can give you my mobile number so you can ring me. hey this is very simple GCD will provide a affiliate commission and one can pass that on..

John34 · 03-08-2009, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatmartin

I really hate to call someone a scammer but...
When you look at the video again, you will see in his AdWords account that his target URLs pointing directly to CB contain something like "tid=123" but the CB report shows different (meaningful) tid's.
This means the sales he presented in the video were generated by a different campaign/adgroup.

This is interesting point and i noticed it just now.

John34 · 03-08-2009, 02:56 PM

I also wanted to know if we will have payment mode of paypal or only credit card?

richfit · 03-08-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldmind123

oh almighty god,

not again!!!!!!

GCD will be back?

I was part of the first release of this product,, and it was way the biggest failure in internet history,
Don't know if there're improvements to the software, but it was one of the most painful experiences in my life,
Chris Carpenter is a good marketer, I learned from his google cash ebook, but this software affected his image significantly

Hey man,

His software has been fixed and has been cleaned up. Chris knows that his reputation was on the line back then and didn't see the problems exploding before his eyes. Even if you don't get the software on the release date, I suggest you check out his videos...they Rock!

They were so good in fact I couldn't sleep...

03-05-2009, 08:05 AM	#102
pgreenwo Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 24 Thanks: 1 Thanked 12 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? OK, while this discussion has been going on, I've been doing some research and thinking...perhaps I can share what I've thought and found so far, putting aside the marketing hype? I know no-one is going to thank me for this (rather long) post, but I hope some people find it useful. Here goes: The GCD people are making a few claims, including: 1)They have a database of a few month's data about the presence & absence of PPC ads on Google Search engine sponsored results. This includes ad creative, links, keywords and landing pages for approx 2.5 million keyword phrases. 2)They have built a system that allows you to query their database to profile on the basis of keyword, link structure, and ads. 3)They have built human interfaces that let you inspect variations in ad creative for an identified affiliate. 4)They have built human interfaces that allow you to quickly browse through landing pages from ad links. These are all shown by the videos, and are directly testable. Furthermore they claim: 5)Their system is robust enough for wide-scale use. 6)The system is an efficient mechanism for keyword research for PPC-based affiliate marketing (this has two components, usability and data accuracy). We appear to have a beta tester on record who has supported those claims. Now we're on some more wooly ground...they make these further claims: 7)If an affiliate ad persists in a high ranking spot for a keyword phrase over an extended time then it is currently profitable for the promoter of an affiliate product. 8)If it's profitable for the promoter then it will be profitable for you as an incremental promoter of the affiliate product. 9)It is currently possible to make substantial profits by direct-linking from the ad to the affiliate page, using an affiliate link. These are hard to validate without doing a large scale test; they are safe things to claim, because the test environment isn't stationary; the impact of the test will change it. Claim 7) refers to identifying a symptom of a profitable campaign; all diagnoses are subject to the problem of false positives...so it is possible to identify the symptom and mis-diagnose the underlying cause. The same symptom could indicate, for example: An affiliate marketer who has taken their eye of the ball (perhaps because their overall portfolio is doing quite all right thank-you-very-much, or their measurements aren't up to the job) or is behaving irrationally. An affiliate marketer who uses a big sample size before making a go/no go decision about a campaign. A campaign that used to be successful, and is being given a chance to return to profitability. The problem here is that you don't know in advance when that might be, in the same way that a forex trader doesn't! A vendor masquerading as an affiliate (to boost their ratings). The economics of this approach are different than for a regular affiliate. Advertiser whose cost of advertising is lower than yours (a long term account holder, and/or a big spender, or a JV arrangement with Google for some other reason) or with a special revenue sharing arrangement. A remnant campaign from a product launch that has ended. A campaign whose timing is precise, but happens to coincide with the times the data is sampled. A campaign that is working on a specific geography that you are unaware of. A campaign for which the landing page content is crucial for improving the conversion rates. Experimenter error – that is, it's successful, but your test provided results that were incorrect, perhaps on the basis of your sample size, or something else. Claim 8) is also problematic. Buying into a keyword campaign involves you in a market, and as we've seen from the financial world, markets are chaotic – sometimes they masquerade as being tame, other times they turn savage. On this basis, an incremental advertiser could drive prices way up; I'm sure Google has modelled it, but they're probably not sharing the results with us – Google has got an amazing portfolio play with Adwords / Adsense, and we're the ones taking the commercial risks! Also, it is feasible that an incremental advertiser could change conversion rates! Certainly, if I detect a feeding frenzy (lots of Adwords pointing to the same place, lots of Adwords making hypey claims), then my guard is raised when I get to the landing page. I'm also spoiled for choice, and I might start exploring...reviewing the review sites, seeing if I can find the vendor themselves, direct. Claim 9) is valid if Google hasn't prevented it! Logically, there will always be some opportunities where direct linking works. There will also be campaigns where it doesn't...and that depends on the efficiency of the landing page. So now on to the results of my research: GCD will speed up your ability to find niches where profits can be made, and structure campaigns to capture the profit compared to a tool that requires you to identify the keywords first, then capture information about competition. As such, it will significantly reduce your time-to-market for an affiliate campaign. And there is real value in that! (Claim 6) If you are a newbie to the area of PPC, GCD may save you weeks of research and trial and error. My concern is that the same information you have will be available to a large group of other people, who may distort the markets...and the launch process being used by GCD may exacerbate this issue. I expect this effect won't be large, and won't be long, and it can be side-stepped by avoiding aggressive sorting of the data – choose a niche idea first, rather than sort the whole of Clickbank's URLs for the most consistent, highest volume advertiser! Also, you'll need additional tools if you want to run enough of a portfolio to get a consistent income – and I don't know yet whether these are included in the Google Cash Automator – maybe someone else here does? You'll want to be able to track the profitability of your campaigns by keyword; you may want a bid management tool once your spend makes it worthwhile; you may also want to manage domain names and potentially you'll want to propagate keyword targeted landing pages, link cloaking. And if you do landing pages, then you need to think through content and copy, and where you acquire that from... You'll also need to be wary of over-trading, as the costs and profits come out of different accounts.
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03-05-2009, 08:43 AM	#104
evertd HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: , , . Posts: 119 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Google Cash Detective? Thanks for everyone bringing up good food for thought. I guess in the end it is a question of whether you see value in it and believe that it will pay back your investment. At $997 up front it is pretty steep, but the $97 per month after that is probably pretty good value IF you actually use the research it provides. And if you just want to make money out of the inevitable feeding frenzy to commence on Monday, check out the JV page: GC Detective JV Partner Blog

03-05-2009, 11:14 AM	#109
mott You figure it out War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 53 Thanks: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Google Cash Detective? Vince, that isn't quite what I meant. I will make a bold statement right now. If you put your "system" on paper where you make X dollars a year, and you left NOTHING out, and you give me FEEDBACK when I make mistakes, then I GUARANTEE you that I would make what you make in a year, if I stuck with the system long enough. There is no way I can fail. You are right...the reason there aren't a zillion marketers making a fortune is because they don't try hard enough, they don't stay with it, they are afraid to make mistakes, or don't learn from the ones they make, or they aren't given everything they need to know, and are too lazy to look for the missing pieces. They don't make the X overnight so they quit. They start out, do it for a week, and then abandon it and try the new flavor in town. It's like dieting. Here is another bold statement: ALL DIETS WORK! They all help you lose weight. The problem is, people don't lose the 100 pounds in a day, and so they quit. Or they lose it and then don't follow through on how to keep the weight off, and so they gain it back again. If you were a successful carpenter, and I studied under you and did everything you did, over time I would be a successful carpenter. Same with dancing, skiing, and internet marketing. No not in one day, and not if I don't have the desire and am unwilling to stay with it after I fall on my face. As for GCD, what I was saying was, if you duplicated successful ads you'll have successful ads too. I'm not saying Chris' product will make everyone who uses it a millionaire. But I do say that if Chris' product shows successful ads, and you duplicate the efforts, then you'll have successful ads. I bake a great tasting cake, and you follow my recipe to the max, you'll have a great tasting cake too (maybe not at first try, but eventually if you stick with it).
	Rich

03-05-2009, 02:43 PM	#110
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03-05-2009, 04:18 PM	#112
gohrayson Networking Affiliates Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Malaysia Posts: 50 Thanks: 8 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Google Cash Detective? I'm not sure anyone has announced this but Google Cash Detective has 2 payment plans... it was mentioned in the blog posted earlier... but here goes anyway. Apparently You Pay US$997 Upfront with $97 dollars monthly subscription OR US$1997 (inclusive of 12 months of GCD & GCA ) One big price tag on this one~ O.o Peace~
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03-05-2009, 07:26 PM	#113
baronig HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 118 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? It always amazes me if this tool is so profitable why reveal it to the public?why not Chris does not keep it to himself?

03-05-2009, 07:31 PM	#114
schnisz Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? Do the math. $1000 plus $97.00/month for how many thousands on his list? Granted he will split with affiliates, but thats money! In theory the software looks pretty awesome. Very much out of my price range though. I hope somebody comes up with a less expensive option. I understand PPC fairly well, I'm a member of PPC classroom, however I am gunshy about spending 80 bucks a day to "test" a campaign espcially when the stats quoted to me are 9 out of 10 campaigns fail.
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03-05-2009, 08:50 PM	#115
DonDavis Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Illinois USA. Posts: 600 Thanks: 13 Thanked 33 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? I bought this product when it was offered to 30 people as a pre-launch type of thing. I don't recall if it was an offer for beta testers specifically or not. At any rate I paid $197 up front with a monthly of $97. At that time they were saying that the eventual price would be $497 at launch. I guess they re-evaluated the pricing if it's going to be released at $997. I remember another product that created the same sort of buzz about a year and a half ago or so. I don't recall the name for sure. Undercover Profits maybe? That software pretty much delivered the same information that GCD does except you had to identify your keywords/ads and then track them to gather the data. So if you wanted to see how frequently an ad was running you needed to track it over time to find out. The big difference here is that this information is already available to you as they have been tracking 2.5 million keywords since about October (I think they said). To me the weakness with this software is that you are relying mainly on one thing to determine profitability, and that is the amount of time the ad has consistently ran on the adwords network. That alone is not enough to make a decision as to whether the ad is profitable or not. -Is the advertiser building a list and using an autoresponder to increase his conversions? -Does he have a backend product of his own that he is also selling to the list? -What is his quality score/ cost per click? -Is he stuffing cookies? And those are just a few. You cannot get the whole picture by simply looking at the amount of days that he has consistently ran a certain ad. The software can show you a large part of the picture but not all of it. There is still a lot of research that has to be done if you want to eliminate as much risk as possible. That can be very time consuming if you are analyzing several campaigns. Not really what I want to be doing myself, but to each his own. Some of the campaigns I ran lost money and some of them made money. I had three campaigns slapped because I was direct linking. I then tried redirecting and had a couple campaigns outright shut down for doing that. So I am convinced the only way to approach it is to register your own domain for each product you want to promote, do a little preselling on a landing page (which includes an optin of course), and then provide your affiliate link to your visitor to proceed with the purchase. This was no revelation though as that is the only way I have been willing to run adwords for affiliate marketing anyway. In my opinion if you are spending the money on the ads and not building a list from it, then you are not making effective use of your money. This is a very slick software and it works just like you see in the videos. However it is not the magic button that will provide you with fail proof campaigns as represented in the sales hype. You can certainly use the software to help you identify campaigns that appear profitable on the surface, but you had better be willing to follow through and find out as much about that campaign as you can before moving forward with it. Everything is not always as it appears on the surface!
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03-06-2009, 12:01 AM	#118
cms418 Active Warrior Join Date: May 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 39 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? I totally agree with Mott. GCD can be a very useful tool. Test each campaign that "apperars to be successful" for at least a week and if it is smooth and proves to be profitable keep it running. If not pack up and move to the next one. As long as you are continually involved in marketing and testing different products and niches, you WILL stumble upon products and services that convert. Trust me I have been in this game long enough now to realize that. Any one else in this game should agree. I would also attest that most would agree when we say that marketing in this way will cost you money and you better be prepared to shell out. Those who are in to get rich quick should take a step back and think about what they are getting into. Also for some people: please stop making claims about the price when you have no idea what it will cost.

03-06-2009, 02:19 AM	#121
jhollar HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 243 Thanks: 4 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? am really surprised that the numbers in GCD seem to be way off. One of the videos talked about a keyword "refund tax" which is supposed to have 550K searches a month. Google's keyword tool only shows 90K searches for the broad match and just 880 searches for exact match. Even if google is a bit off, there's still a massive discrepancy between both numbers. Once could be mislead by GCD into assuming that this is a hugely profitable keyword and then spend time and money only to discover that the traffic is nowhere near what GCD painted it to be...

03-06-2009, 09:37 AM	#124
cms418 Active Warrior Join Date: May 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 39 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? I would like to know where this information on price is posted? On Chris Carpenter's site it says people are expecting this to be thousands of dollars, which it won't.

03-06-2009, 10:45 AM	#128
jhollar HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 243 Thanks: 4 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? I am curious about one thing - how is Chris doing a direct linking to reversephonedetective.com using some other domain? Since the display and destination URL have to be the same,is he doing a domain redirect? Does that still work with google?

03-06-2009, 01:50 PM	#132
DonDavis Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Illinois USA. Posts: 600 Thanks: 13 Thanked 33 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? We are hearing a lot in the states these days about how violent it is in Mexico, and how the drug lords are running rampant. There are reports of Mexican gangs kidnapping people of wealth etc. I don't how accurate any of these reports are, but where there is smoke, you'll usually find fire. Is it a good idea to be calling yourself an internet millionaire and disclosing your remote location in Mexico? Just something that came to mind as I watched Chris' super cool videos. Frank has nothing on this guy as far as the cool factor
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03-07-2009, 02:34 AM	#134
Jay Es Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Seattle , USA. Posts: 36 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Google Cash Detective? hey all - i'm fairly new to all of this, so excuse me if this is a dumb question. But how important is using any "spy" software for things like this? If you are doing affiliate promotions for product x and if you go to google and search for "product x" and then print out the search results and come back and do it 3 weeks later and look at who is still in those same positions for that term, don't you know obviously who is being successful? i've seen other tools that claim to show you bid prices but is there any way that a tool can actually have correct data for that? doesn't the bid price depend on factors like your adwords account history and your QS and other factors? so...if you're the top advertiser for "product x" and a bunch of newbies buy this product and start bidding after product x, wouldn't they start with much higher bid prices because they don't have the history established with Google? Doesn't Google reward successful advertisers? can anyone clear this up? p.s. and in these kinds of threads it's always odd to me when people can't cite clear and consistent numbers. If one person claims they had a $100 day or lets say even a $1000 day - it's a bit meaningless if that was their only successful day. Because if they made $100 on one day in 20 days for example they are really making less than $5 a day, right? and it's misleading for that person to make it sound like they're averaging $100 a day! so - i'll repeat the chorus - anyone out there having CONSISTENT success with this and can share the types of consistent average daily profit they are making? thanks

03-07-2009, 04:21 AM	#135
Shift HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 106 Thanks: 21 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? Quote,`wouldn't they start with much higher bid prices because they don't have the history established with Google?' I'm neither for nor against GCD but listened to a teleseminar Mark Ling from affilorama dot com did with Chris Carpenter and in it Chris gives details about his bidding strategy. He explains how he initially starts with a higher bid than required and then gradually lowers it. If you're interested then listen to the call, it's freely available at the above mentioned site. I think any PPC marketer who isn't a newbie already knows that to simply copy someone's campaign isn't going to work in the long run. And it's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that just because an ad has been running for months doesn't mean it's converting very well. Some of the reasons for this have already been mentioned in this thread but I know personally that I do have some campaigns that don't convert very highly but I keep them because the CPC is very low (due to using my own strategies) and the clicks often convert into leads. 2c.

03-07-2009, 09:08 AM	#138
Yusuf Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 93 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? Chris states that the #1 spot has a low ROI. He says you don't want to have the #1 spot because many people who click the #1 ad are not interested in really purchasing anything and this will therefore cause you to lose money. What's your thoughts on that?

03-07-2009, 09:30 AM	#139
Shift HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 106 Thanks: 21 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? I don't claim to be an expert but I'll answer my best. Quote,`For you to overtake him, Google would have to make a greater profit which would mean that you would have to have both a high CTR rate and a high bid price, right?' My understanding is that the higher your CTR is the lower your bid price, but you must also have a great QS. For example some of my landing pages have a QS of 9 and the clicks are very cheap. But the most important thing is that Google serves relevant ads to their users, and a high CTR helps to prove that your ad is relevant to the keyword the user is searching for. So I don't believe it's money driving the Google game but it's very important for Google to deliver the most relevant organic and paid results (besides we all know that they make a lot of money providing such a service). If your CTR is very poor (the consensus seems to be under 2%) then delete that ad and start again.

03-07-2009, 09:41 AM	#141
Yusuf Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 93 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? Shift, great advice there is no real "one size fits all" strategy. Thanks!

03-07-2009, 08:16 PM	#145
Guru Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia. Posts: 48 Thanks: 10 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Contact Info	Re: Google Cash Detective? Hi I think this is best spy software so far in the market. Yes lots of people will make money from it and yes 80% plus people will not make any money from it. BTW I am offering big bonus for GCD and you can get it from here Google Cash Detective Good Luck Guys! Admin - if this is against the forum law pls delete my link above
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03-08-2009, 02:56 PM	#149
John34 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 733 Thanks: 46 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Google Cash Detective? I also wanted to know if we will have payment mode of paypal or only credit card?