smak

Hi Warriors

I am very curious about couple products relating to Vincent James. I Don't even know for sure whether this guy who supposedly made $77 million in 2 years is a reall human being OR just an fictitious figure made up with captivating story line to sell the product.

He has 2 products attributed to him, which are:

1... 12 month millionaire

2... How I made $77 million in 2 years

I did buy the '12 month millionaire' which was promoted by Russel Brunson and Bought it from him (it was ebook with interview theme), mainly talking about direct mail and direct response marketing.

As for the 'How I made $77 million in 2 years' product, I wanted to know feedback from any warriors out there who has bought this product.

Is it physical product or digital? What topics and subject it covers? The price? And if there are any resale rights available for it somewhere? Also is it just hypey (well I have seen one website salesletter for it, seems a bit hypey) or good content?

Thanks in advance for your replies.


Smak

seemar49

It's all in the title. If you want to believe it it's up to you. I don't as it's designed to make you look.

The real money makers in business keep it to them selves and don't need to boast like the title suggests.

Chiayee

Those are some interesting numbers. Just how many % are profits?

D Ambrose

Makes you wonder how much of that had to be paid to the tax man!

Magic Johnson

If you want to know this, he had to hire a lawyer too. Because his customers pe*ises didn't start on their growth increase as they were "supposed to".

And he ended up serving jail time, of what I've heard.

It's fun, when you start IM, there are so much digging to do.

And everyone(guru) gives you a spade and wants you to start digging.

During the last year alone, I've final started to filter out all the scum bangers in the "make money" or "sell anything".

It's easy to fall prey for the money supposedly, more than the good motives and helping people.

I guess why the Reality principle lifestyle got coined, by Carl Jung.

You have to compare Oranges & Apples. Otherwise you start to get attracted by negative sales influences, gurus, and other crap. MLM and the like.( of course some MLM's worser than the other)

So if the ethics dont reasonate with yours, stay the heck away. Before you get sucked in...too!

Why? I don't ever think I will promote something I don't feel deliver on promises, even if the payouts are great.

I just browsed Clickbank the other day. I felt I only saw Scum Banging products. Before this, I had my eyes turning in to dollar signs.

It just drains you out in the long run, and there is certainly more money to be
made too, using your head, instead of thinking of filling your bank accounts, up.

With some gibbrish e-book from clickbank and the like.

Give Value, and you feel good about it.

Peace.

Ram

It's only because his customers didn't have an ... ahem ... "magic Johnson!"

Sorry, the devil grabbed my keyboard and I couldn't resist.

thinkrich

I made $7

Wanna buy My book?

TipTopMarketer

$77 million in 2 years?

It's just so hard to visual and tell that to an average person on the street who would never make that much in their lifetime combined with the 100s of generations before them

MichaelHiles

I know of someone who has made that much in a single year marketing intellectual property.

JK Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter series.

Shevd

$77 million is insane, imagine counting it all

ShaunAllen

I bought the interview Russ Brunson did
with him and I enjoyed. I didn't agree
with everything that he did, but I learned
a lot from the process.

So I can't compare those 2 products
against each other, but I can tell you that
if you're ready for mail order or infomercials
you could learn a lot.

Alp Bozkurt

He made $77 million and now he's selling his secrets for $59 LOL

Anyway, it sounds better than some WSOs with claims of making $1000s a day and selling the secret for $17 and limiting the number of buyers to 20 LOL.

kjkumar

I made $77 Million in 2 years'

Now this is the catch, what a Newbies or a struggling IM marketer think in this hoping that if he could find some good response of the product then he will buy it, but then he forgets that he himself had made several review sites without even bothering what the product really is.

Now every thing is in the title here.
if some one says

I made $7 only Wanna buy My book?

you would not even bother to read further.
but if someone says
I made $77 Million in 2 years'
and he even wants to show or pretend you How he had done that.

then you may give it a second or third or even a research to find info of the product and may but it.

because you think that if he made $77 Million, then i am not greedy i will make $1 million only



but the question is IF Bill gates tells you how he made his $Billions
or
Google tells you how they made $Billions


Would that help you???

think and move ahead

Jon Alexander

didn't Vinnie do time for his crimes???

I seem to remember a jail sentence...

ureba

These sort of things turn me off quite a bit and I do not normally waste my time with them.

to me these sort of things are a HUGE red flag.

first of all if I found a way to make any amount of $$ I would not be trying to tell other people etc

Ashley Wright

$77million??? wow and theres hardly nothing around about it?

MaskedMarketer

I believe he did serve jail time because but not because his customers penises didn't grow. I think it was a payment/refund issue and one of his workers screwed him, but i don't really remember the story. I see these pills still being pushed on TV with similiar claims, so i don't know.

And one of the Kings of Direct Mail endorsed this dude, Vincent- it was Gary Halbert.

Melodican

If you plan to make outrageous but true claims in your
direct response copy, make sure you have a calculator
nearby as you write. Because sceptical prospective
customers and existing customers will check your
numbers, even if you don't.As Exhibit A I present to you the outrageous and
impossible-to-believe claims of Vincent James, the
self-proclaimed 12-Month Millionaire who sells a
get-rich-quick course on direct response copywriting
by
the same name.
Here is how Vincent starts his online sales
letter:

Finally! Successful Entrepreneur and High School
Drop-Out Vincent James Breaks 12 Years of Silence
To Teach YOU His Money-Making Strategies and
Powerful Secrets That Anyone Can Use To (legally)
Make As Much As $77 Million By This Time Next Year!"The Amazing Money-Making Secret of a 28-year-old
Convicted Felon Who Earns More Money Per Year
Than The CEOs of FedEx... eBay... Amazon.com...
Time Warner... Apple Computer... McDonalds...
Microsoft... Nike... Yahoo... Ford Motor Company...
General Motors... and Goodyear COMBINED!"

Do you believe that Vincent James makes more than
all those CEOs combined? I didn't. So I did the math.
You can, too. Simply visit the Forbes CEO
Compensation Survey for 2005 and look up the
annual compensation for these CEOs. Here's what
you'll find:
Amazon.com, Jeff Bezos, $81,840

Apple Computer, Steve Jobs, $17,513,600

eBay, Margaret Whitman , $2,908,000

FedEx, Frederick Smith , $36,410,000

Ford Motor Company, William Clay Ford Jr ,
$5,603,000

General Motors, G Richard Wagoner Jr , $8,509,000
Goodyear, Robert Keegan, $5,226,000

McDonalds, James A Skinner , $3,910,000

Microsoft, Steve Ballmer, $1,000,000

Nike, William Perez, $18,200,000

Time Warner, Richard Parsons , $10,730,000

Yahoo, Terry Semel, $230,554,000
So what's the combined annual compensation for all
CEOs? $340,645,440.
Thus, Vincent James earns $28.3 million a month, or
$6.5 million a week, or $933,275 a day. He makes
more in a day than veteran copywriter Bob Bly does in
a year. Hard to believe, eh?
My recommendation for Vincent James is that he
check his numbers. And my advice for the people who
endorse Vincent James, such as Jeff Gardner, is that
they check his numbers. And my advice for you, if I
may be so bold, is that you check your numbers
before you drop your direct mail sales letters in the
mail. Your customers and prospects will check your
math before they write their check. At least the only
ones worth having as long-term customers
will.

malcasid

Was this the product from an ex-convict?

ripsnorta2

Regardless of the accuracy or ethics of the guy being posted about...

Someone who has made $77 million is not the average person off the street. For one thing they've taken some action in order to make that kind of cash.

The average person off the street works their average job to earn an average salary and lives an average life to retire on an average pension and die an average death with average thoughts of average regret. (Too many averages? )

Once they do something to change their situation, they are no longer average.

eve2010

Did anyone actually read this book?

DrGUID

You'd need a lot of forex robots to generate that kind of money .

Kevin AKA Hubcap

Not to mention Dan Brown of "The Da Vinci Code Fame"

Frank Donovan

Those of you making fun of his income claims should remember that this occurred in 2002.

Back then, $77 million was considered quite a large sum of money.



Frank

LetsGoViral

This right here.

99% of the time it's pure bull. People want to sell you the dream.

WD Mino

Hi,

well his name was vincent passafiume I just went and did a little research on him.-Google is your friend
12-Month Millionaire
12 MONTH MILLIONARE SCAM - VINCE JAMES SCAM
Anatomy of a penis pill swindle - Men's health- msnbc.com

So he did get a ton of cash 74 million or something but they way it was done is horribly unethical the techniques he apparently is offering could land the person using them in trouble so point blank I would never deal with a guy like this
-WD

killercopy

Vincent James sold supplements through mail order and magazine ads. You've probably seen them because they were around for a long time. They were ads like fake steroids (dynabolics) wrinkle cream, weight loss, hair loss, etc. He pushed continuity programs (auto ship) and back end sales.

Supplements are a huge business with ridiculous markups. You can buy a bottle of the "best" diet pills that sell at GNC for $50 for less than $5 including having your own private label on them. This is the real way to get rich with CPA. Have CPA marketers sell your $5 pills for $59 and put them on continuity. CPA marketers love this because they get paid $40 and they will spend thousands of dollars promoting your $5 pills through PPC, etc.

I'm not defending the guy's statements, but 77 million doesn't seem to out of line for his type of products and methods. Keep in mind, this guy wasn't working from home on his computer. He had thousands of people paying him $69 a month continuously and was using distribution/fulfillment centers, call centers, etc....but I guess if you aren't answering phones and stuffing packages, you could do this from home.

What he teaches is to look at starting an "auto-ship" company (continuity) and likens it to Billy Blanks Tae Bo video and Girls Gone Wild, where the buyer gets a new video every month unless they cancel.

The guy who started Girls Gone Wild made a lot more than 77 million...that guy owns islands, had 100 million in cash seized by the IRS and is still loaded.

So, not everyone's income claims are out of line. It depends on what they're doing.

Isaachun

I really don't agree with this. Copywriting means giving false numbers to get sales? Do you have to do this in order to be good at copywriting/make it big in IM?
I'm not making much yet from IM, but I'd really like to know the opinion of experienced IM'ers who's making a good income to tell me if this is true?

I'm in marketing (as in my day job), and I believe in integrity and honesty when marketing. Giving false numbers can get you results short term, but it destroy your integrity and your business in the long run.

Ninja_Warrior

They should put their 77 million dollars bank account screenshots.

Zero

Some ex-worker screwed him over big time which caused him alotta hassle..

Eric Lorence

Ohh ... I think that's quite a large sum of money today too ...

I get skeptical anytime the claims rise into the 6 figure range though.

Scott Ames

Yeah they should. That's nothing. I did $77 million in a week:

http://www.warriorforum.com/members/...-clickbank.jpg

TheWinner

Now thats impressive mate. Now you can sell your secrets in a $7 ebook

Serenity090

lol Scott Ames...Smart

macchiavelli

I read the book and loved every page of it.
I love reading about how people made their fortunes.
Whether he actually made $77millies in 2 years or not, the business model he described certainly still works to this day.

I would even say that its probably grown a lot due to the massive marketing force that is the INTERNET.

I will definetly start a similar business soon and once I make $100 millies ill let you guys know.
I dont fool arround!

mmurtha

Frank,

Lol what do you mean by back then? It's still a lot of money today for a year or two's worth of work.

But then again, that depends on who you are asking.

prescot50

G/Day magic having read your reply to how to make 77 million in 2 years you see just starting in affiliate marketing and taking the time to read this BS does make you think that every thing that you read is the same BS But for some reason l continue to read other stuff and find alot of helpful stuff on Warrior Forum and from guys like yourself
Thank for your input

Loren Woirhaye

I think Vincent James did do jail time. He also lost the money
he made in lawsuits.

Hence the need to write a book, since I believe he was banned
from selling supplements by the FTC... kind of like a guru who
was around a while back, who ran ads claiming he was a
doctor or something.

Vincent James's business model is certainly something you can
learn from. There's a free version of the book floating around
I think. It's not the complete thing though.

Jason Jensen

What's scary is that i"ve seen Mike Geary's (TruthAboutAbs.com) Clickbank account and his account looks eerily similar to February 13th and 14th. I wouldn't be surprised it now looked like Feb 18 and 19th.

enwereuzo

Great idea here.

Don Halbert

For one...his sales letter is a direct rip off of one of Gary's in his widely available swipefile and secondly...I believe at the time Gary was a little strapped for cash and might have agreed to endorse this dude for the right/wrong price. Who knows but one thing is for certain here...this guy was definitely over the top.

PS: i thought I saw a question earlier about copywriters and their claims. It is true that you can be held accountable for what you write. The IRS don't give a rats ass if you are a marketer or not. If you're that IN YOUR FACE about it then they will drop the hammer on you whether they have grounds because of what you wrote or not. Just give them an excuse and see what happens. BE CAREFUL.

PSS: that is why "pen names" are soooooooooooo useful.

perryny

Gary Halbert's endorsement of Vincent James...

"But before he went to jail, he spent 17 days creating an information product called "The 12-Month Millionaire."

I believe this is (so far in this new century) the most important marketing product ever put together."

Full story here...

The Gary Halbert Letter