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Unread 1st Sep 2012, 05:17 PM   #51
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Gary...thanks for your reply in post number 40. It's much easier to digest what you have explained. It is also more constructive. In your other replies and post, it seems to be going round in circles.

Forums are for people to raise discussion. Naturally some will ask seemingly stupid question because many come from different backgrounds and experiences. Or views that may differ from your views.

With your level of experience, it's easy for you to see things in another perspective. Not so for not yet successful/experienced IMers.

I hope you take no offense in our exchanges in this thread. Should our paths cross again in future in this forum, I hope it will be more pleasant. Thanks.

P.S. Please refrain from calling others silly or moron. It'll help a lot.
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I think we've all mellowed a bit, chayil. I'm sure all our paths will cross again and probably be a much more peaceful AND constructive experience. Until then, fellow Warrior. :-)
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When Alex says that he can make money because his marketing is unique to him, that some of the products are not so good or pretty bad, that you can edit pages and upload your own products, that puts me at a great disadvantage since, as I've said, I don't have a unique marketing system, I'm not a copywriter and don't have my own products to upload. That was my whole attraction to Mike's product--that all of this would be good quality material and I wouldn't have to figure everything out for myself.

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You mean Adam X , not Alex ?

Sure, my marketing methods are unique to me, as is everyone's. Not saying I have some secret techniques, just my method of doing things. I also said some of the products are very good, take the Dinner Parties for example.

One simple traffic technique is to join forums related to Dinner parties/Home-making and put your website in your signature. Join discussions and make some good comments. This is very basic and should get you started. With some effort, you will see some sales as the sales page and product is pretty good. Also, see if you can leave comments on Yahoo answers, also a very basic simple technique.

No need to edit sales pages or upload any of your own products here. Since you are new, I would start with one or two sites, and work on getting traffic to those only. Don't try to build 25 sites at once as they each require your attention, especially when you are starting out.
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Adam makes a good point. I doubt all newbies will be doing all 25 sites at once. If they DO they surely ont be able to give them the full attention and marketing they need. If you ask me, the fact that there are 25 sites instead of just 2 or 10 even is awesome as it gives people a choice as to which ones to go after. I think this is a great Product and concept FOR those who are going to do more than just build the sites but actually take action

If 5% of the buyers take action, they're surely NOT going to do so with 25 sites. The 25 sites dilutes this greatly. I do not see saturation being a problem here

Sorry for any typos, iPad post

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What about domain names? I don't recall that being mentioned in Mike's sales pitch (video was so long I was working while it played).
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You mean Adam X , not Alex ?

Sure, my marketing methods are unique to me, as is everyone's. Not saying I have some secret techniques, just my method of doing things. I also said some of the products are very good, take the Dinner Parties for example.

One simple traffic technique is to join forums related to Dinner parties/Home-making and put your website in your signature. Join discussions and make some good comments. This is very basic and should get you started. With some effort, you will see some sales as the sales page and product is pretty good. Also, see if you can leave comments on Yahoo answers, also a very basic simple technique.

No need to edit sales pages or upload any of your own products here. Since you are new, I would start with one or two sites, and work on getting traffic to those only. Don't try to build 25 sites at once as they each require your attention, especially when you are starting out.
Good advice, Man. That's gold for a newbie. I wish I had more time for the technique.
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Gary...thanks for your reply in post number 40. It's much easier to digest what you have explained. It is also more constructive. In your other replies and post, it seems to be going round in circles.
Any thread with Gary chiming in tends to become an echange of insults.

I wanted to say that I am not a newbie and I bought MMBS. I am doing very well considering the number of people that bought into the system.

I typically use social media and a viral element to produce better results than just trying to rank.

I think saturation does exist to an extent. I mean if everyone was trying to promote the exact same site, the exact same way, there would be a bit of an issue. But if everyone tried different alternatives of driving traffic to their site, its a different story.

I like the hotdog analogy earlier. Ya you may go to a carnival and find 100 hot dog vendors trying to sell hot dogs, the trick is to maybe skip the carnival and sell YOUR hotdogs elsewhere.
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Yes, I did mean Adam X, not Alex. Sorry. Thanks for the marketing tips. This all seems very time intensive rather than doing something like flipping sites. I think I'll look into outsourcing. Any suggestions there? I know about Fiverr, Elance, etc., but what I mean is how do you find a good one?
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Marakatapolis, Mike tells you to buy a domain or use 1 you have and change the dns.

I'm glad you're doing well, jdownloads. That's encouraging.

Here's my update so far: I used a domain name I've owned for years, changed the dns and tried to go to the next step but I got a message that the domain name was already in use or not valid, neither of which could be true. I submitted a ticket but haven't heard back. That was Saturday afternoon. Since I got Mike's program late Friday night, 4 of my 14 day guarantee is already gone, I've only just started putting up the 1st site and can't go any further until I hear back to get the domain problem straightened out. Not a good start.
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I was pleased to see Mike Ambrosio talking about this new system, but referring to the old system (Profit Platform) that Mike F WAS selling. I hope that is not still being marketed as it was sorely tired copy and pretty much out of date material. However, I am aware that Prof Plat continued for at least a year or two after complaints about the material so hearing what Adam had to say about quality (some good some not) I'm steering clear because there is still a smack of the "old" about this.
On the face of it, Newbies will gain some practical experience from a system like this - and as they all have to choose their own domain names there will be variations, even among the anticipated small percentage that get sites up and competing for traffic.
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Any thread with Gary chiming in tends to become an echange of insults.
I'd disagree... obviously.

I think it tends not to be an exchange of insults, but a difference of opinion where I'm battling against the majority... which I find to be wrong in most cases.

There are a lot of opinions on many matters here, but most of they aren't backed up with any facts... they're empty opinions that can be damaging to newer marketers reading them.

If someone thinks that a post here is the gospel, but it's just plain wrong, that could end up sinking someone's business.

I'm not here to make friends, I have enough of those...

I chime in from time to time when I see something obviously wrong, and try to get things back on track. And when you go against the "herd mind" in any community, that tends to lead to being painted as the bad guy.

That's fine with me... I'd rather be the bad guy who's right, than the good guy who's wrong.

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This is an excellent and fair discussion Thanks to all.
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All I know is that his customer service sucks. I ordered MicromodelBusinessSystem on 08-27-12 for $29.95 per month. I also ordered the upsell for 2 payments of $97 for AffiliateDotCom.

I determined that I didn't have time to use the AffiliateDotCom so I tried to cancel on 9-10-12. The customer service rep told me I couldn't just cancel AffiliateDotCom, but that I would have to cancel Micro Model also, so I cancelled both of them. That was over 3 weeks ago and I haven't recevied a refund for the 2 charges of $97 or the charge for $29.95.

Finally, I got a response from Steve Pryor from the customer support ticket I submitted telling me the refund would be another 10-15 business days.

There's no excuse for that. So I tried to call the customer service again today and was on hold from their offshore customer service for about 10 minutes, then I tried to explain to the lady for another 15 minutes what was going on, and not only could she not help me, but she hung up on me.

Terrible customer service. I would have been happy to try the Micro Model Business System for a while, and I don't subscribe to the saturation theory, but frankly, after this experience I don't know if I'll ever order from Mike Filsaime again.
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Although I came to this thread as a pre-purchase exercise to find out what others have said about this system, I decided to go back to the beginning, and trusting my own judgement, enrolled today.

I have to say that my initial reaction is that the system is impressive and it's hard to see how any newcomer to IM would be disappointed at the content and sheer value that Mike is providing here.

Update: The serverside site building facility which is central to the package, proved to be less than satisfactory in use and it was with more than a little dismay I found out that the reply to a support ticket that I raised in consequence of this, could be expected in two days - hmm ... not good!

However, it's rather sad to have to conclude from this thread that there are still people who appear to have the mindset that any offers which fall short of their "magic bullet" expectations, are targets for unhelpful negative comment.

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I'm really sorry I didn't post my experience w/Mike's system but since it took 5 or 6 days for customer service to get back to me, I decided to cancel based on the poor customer service.
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The product sounds good but..

1) if product is sold in paydotcom and if 5000 members build the same product, product title there there will be 5000 of the same products in paydotcom with the same graphics, sales page, title etc...
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->it would be great if the MMBsystem can automatically change the ecover graphics, sales page and web content for each member who build the site, sueeze page etc. Changing it manually is not much of a difference than doing it by yourself.
-> Or offer a multiple selections of graphics, title, salespages, squeeze pages and contents.

it should be push button since you will be paying 29 monthly fee -
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Unread 27th Nov 2012, 10:17 PM   #67
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BEWARE - Mike Filsaime's organisation does NOT honour refunds!!!
I originally asked for a refund 10 days after paying for the product. I did not have a problem with the product, I just decided to change direction.
I asked for a refund on the 28th August and was told I would have to wait 10-14 working days!!! This was a bit much I thought, however, so be it.

After many emails, and being told I have to wait my turn???? - I still have not had a refund - exactly 3 months I have been waiting.
The last email to me on the 10th November was as follows:-

We do apologize for the delay in refunding you.

We are working diligently to get all customers
refunded that have asked to be refunded.

We thank you for you GREAT patience and hope
that you will forgive us for the delay in getting your
funds returned to you.

Thank You
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Mike Filsaime.com, Inc.


How many refunds do they have to process????

If you are wanting a refund, make sure that you pursue it before the 45 day PayPal cut-off date, don't be patient like me!
The multi-millionaire obviously needs my funds!


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Another system under performing? No way.
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Unread 29th Nov 2012, 06:41 PM   #69
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Mike Filsaime screwed me in the one and only opportunity I ever purchased from him and I swore never again. He is no good and obviously really struggling for money or he wouldn't treat people the way that he does.
I previously bought a monthly subscription as well. I took me some time to have it cancelled and I will not get involved in his organization again. Thanks for the comment.
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Mike Filsaime screwed me in the one and only opportunity I ever purchased from him and I swore never again. He is no good and obviously really struggling for money or he wouldn't treat people the way that he does.
I'm trying to get my refund back after nearly 3 months since I requested it, support desk have stopped responding to my ticket. It's a shame because I decided I didn't have the time and resources to put into getting his product working whilst doing my main project. I got it all going and ready for traffic, sent a some clicks via solo ads and didn't make a single sale. I fully understand the next step is to start split testing etc etc but the time, effort and resource to do all that I didn't have to assign to that project. If the site converted as promised in the automated webinar and paid for itself and been an income stream I would have kept it.

I would have liked to have gone back at a later stage and bought from him again but after this experience I won't.
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Apparently I am having the same problem with Mike Filsaime as almost everyone else. After more than 90 days still no refund. But there is hope on the horizon I am in the QUEUE This was there last reply;
We apologize for the delays in processing your refund.
Your request is placed in the queue and is dealt with in the order it is received.
As we are a large organization, there are many steps involved on this end.
Please realize, we will get you refunded, but we must also make sure everything is correct on this end, with every request like yours we receive.
We appreciate your patience in this matter, Thanks.

That would have been a great answer 10 - 20 or even 30 days out but not 74. Now all I get are automated replys.

I just posted on his official facebook page and I will continue to do so on a regular basis.

He is what gives IM a bad name.
Wow - I didn't realise it was actually that bad I thought the support poeple were just being slack. Looks like he might be facing a lot of refund requests. My guess is maybe those automated webinars are generating them...

I saw a site called ripoffreport where somene posted up about not being able to get heir refund and he responded to it pretty quick. That will be my next stop, will post on the facebook page as well.

This is totally unacceptable
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I've filed a complaint with the BBB
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*Update* - I've been paid back. I filed a BBB complaint and got refunded within about 24 hours...
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After 4 MONTHS I finally received my refund. I contacted Technical Support instead of Billing Support and finally received some action.
However, it makes you wonder why a so-called reputable marketer and his organisation have to treat their customers in this manner.

Anybody going on Mike Filsaime;s Marketers Cruise - LOL !!
The priceless line in his selling blurb is:-
"I'd Rather Make A FRIEND Than A PROFIT!"

Maybe he should check out what goes on in his organisation because he is definitely NOT making friends.
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I have reviewed the micro model business system and here are my feedbacks.
1.) If you dont want to spend time setting up wp , ftp server and configuring the databases and if you are starting out new this system would help you.
2.) If you can still do all the above and if you are in the im field for sometime still you can try cos the 25$ is nothing for the pains to set it up manually and you get 25 products in your name which might add to your reputation.
3.) Talking about saturation , in all these niches there are 100 other products and 100s and 10000s of customers looking for similar information , its true that when there are 1000 people selling the same product with different pricing they set it might be saturated if selling through paydotcom and honestly no affiliate will promote yours period but if you can figure out ways for direct traffic and selling each one of the product for say 5 $ and drive traffic to it , its still a killer
4.) Considering about organic traffic , your sites will get penalized if 1000's of sites have some content , if you can spend some time rewriting the copy and ofcourse there is wordpress for you , if you can put in some 10 to 20 niche related unique articles in the blog that they are giving , you might get some organic traffic + you can send in some paid traffic
5.) You have the option to upload your own product , customize the bonuses which can make a difference .

So in general its not a bad product and has good potential with some work put in. cheers and good luck !
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Who cares about saturation if the actual product being sold is crappy plr ?
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I was so interested in this system until I read everyones responses/reviews...I think I'm going to pass on this one...
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