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Old 08-27-2012, 01:45 PM   #1
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Has anyone signed up for the recently launched program by Ryan Deiss on getting your ebook published on Kindle? It is called the #1 Book System and has a book club of ebook publishers for a community support.
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How much is the course? The 'add to cart' button on the video sales page doesn't appear when you view on an iPhone.

I've been through the prelaunch material and really enjoyed it. Might consider depending on the price.
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3 payments of $97
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I bought the system and the OTO's. I think that everything was priced very low and I am really glad that I made the decision to go this way. I have been holding back on other options until I saw what Ryan was going to bring to the market. There are few things in the membership and the OTO's that are solutions to what was holding me back so the investment has been a very very very worthy one for me. But just the system without the OTO's looks to be execellent value. At the time of writing there is over 400 members and the community is quite active. I am not an affiliate with this program...my honest opinion is I would say there is something for everyone from newbies to the most experienced.

If you want to go in boots and all allow around $600ish and a very small monthly fee, but not all of that $600ish is payable up front. I think it was at a perfect price point and structure, espcially for my budget, but to be honest it is undervalued in comparison to other things out there.
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Hi, Suellen...

May I suggest the course by Geoff Shaw,
"Kindling - Kindle Launch Formula"...

It's gotten tons of rave reviews right here
on this forum...

It was $47 back in April when I bought it,
so it may have gone up by a few bucks,
but that's that's still a lot better than
3 payments of $97, and I think you'll be
a lot happier with it, too...

"I will give you all you need to build a consistent and
ever-growing, evergreen income by doing the right stuff
to succeed with Kindle publishing. This membership
will be your Kindle publishing one-stop library of
information and advice."

just my 2 cents...

Elizabeth

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Thanks Elizabeth, for the heads up on the other course, will definitely check it out. Inspired Writer, can you describe the solutions that Ryan's course offered that were holding you back?

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I'd suggest Geoff Shaw's "Kindling". It gets great reviews from Tiffany Dow and Dr. Andy Williams - two marketers I trust. It's a very complete product and continues to grow with updates.

To be honest, after looking at what Ryan Deiss is offering, and especially at that price, I'm unsubscribing from anyone's list who is supporting it. I've dropped three so far.

You might want to look at Dr. Andy Williams' blog and his (partial) review of Ryan's course and the subsequent comments. Not flattering, to say the least.
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I have to agree Doiron with this, I purchased the whole entire enchilada. I think it's way overpriced and so far there's only 1 video on day one, the rest are links to other people's articles on how to come up with ideas to write about. Weak information and overpriced.
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Hi all,
I followed the Ryan Deiss No. 1 Book system, and found it tempting if not for the 97x3. Personally, I think it is too steep a price for Kindle newbie. I'm using those Kindle WSOs by markmotts, Sam England, Matthew Rhodes and Rosa...and they are great and affordable! I'm in the process of publishing my first Kindle book soon! cheers, Bob
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What are the OTO's (& prices) for this course?

Thanks in advance,

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You're very welcome, Eunice...

Doiron's mention of Dr. Andy's review of "Kindling"
reminded me of it...it's very helpful, too...here's the link:
Kindling Course by Geoff Shaw

InspiredWriter's mention of the OTOs doubling the
price of the Deiss course from $300 to $600
also reminded me that Deiss does do that...

At the end of the day, though, it seems to me
that what really matters is how well a course
helps you learn what you need to know...

Speaking just for myself, Shaw's training method
works better for me than Deiss'...

If your business model involves product launches
every few months, though, then modeling what Deiss
*does* will probably help you get where you want to go...

But following what he *says* may have you going
around in circles, if you don't understand
from the start what business you're in...

Basically, no matter what business you're in,
you're really in the marketing business...

in the attention-getting business...

the mechanics of writing a book and uploading it
to Amazon's Kindle platform are a lot like the
mechanics of writing and uploading an article
to EzineArticles...

no guarantee that it's even going to get seen,
let alone read!

----------------------------------
the biggest mistake you can make
----------------------------------

is thinking of Kindle as a money-making scheme...

self-publishing is a lucrative *business*
with several profitable channels
one of which is Kindle

WHO

are you publishing for?

that's the question

the heart and soul of *marketing*

HOW

are you accessing them?

giving up on Google and turning to Amazon?

where else do they hang out? Facebook? Twitter?

WHAT

are you serving them?

WHERE

are you putting the pickle!




I'm okay with the idea of collapsing time frames
by investing in quality instruction...

I've learned a whole lot from the training videos
over at Lynda.com, for example, where $37 a month
buys me access to top-notch instruction on a wide
variety of technical topics, including but not
limited to constructing effective websites...

But whether you pay $6 or $60 or $600 or even $6000
for instruction to shorten your learning curve,
the key is the ROI, right?

And the only way you're going to get a return on
your investment is to maintain a 1:4 relationship
between study and practice...

to study for one hour and apply for three hours...

FYI, Geoff Shaw's training makes this easy to do,
which is one of the reasons I recommend it...

The other reason I recommend it is Geoff *specializes*
in self-publishing on Kindle, and he is *committed*
to keeping the members' site right up-to-the-minute
as far as new developments are concerned...

This isn't to say that Deiss won't be keeping his
site updated, or that you couldn't also collapse
time frames with his training...

It's just to say that Geoff's course is a proven
package that's well-respected in the IM space,
and it has the added advantage of being very
reasonably priced...

warmest regards...

Elizabeth

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Old 08-28-2012, 07:34 PM   #12
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Note:

I got an email from Dr. Andy saying he has decided not to buy the Deiss course.

He is, however, going to leave up his preliminary review of it, so visitors
can still read the comments about it.

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Thank you Elizabeth for your great review.
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You're very welcome, a2z...

I wish you every success in what you do...

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I've no axe to grind regarding Ryan Deiss or his course. However, I'd be surprised at what he is offering at just under $300 is more comprehensive than Geoff Shaw's course - the latter covers top to bottom on writing for Kindle with regular updates.

Look no further in my opinion.

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Hello, Ian...

To be fair, the Deiss offer includes a free ticket
to a big event, "Pub East" or "Pub West"...

and membership in an "Insiders" club...

in other words, Deiss is offering you a chance
to be part of his "herd"...

and all that for just $300...

er, $600 all in with the OTOs...

but the thing about OTOs is,
they make people feel bad...

you start out feeling happily involved...
and then your pleasure in your purchase
is tarnished by these other things NOT
being part of the package, unless your
pockets are deep enough to get those, too,
but even if they are, you still aren't as
happy as you were before because of thinking
of the unhappiness of those who wouldn't
be able to afford the whole enchilada!

by contrast...

Geoff Shaw does actually recommend
a particular novel-writing software,
but not until after you've gotten your feet wet,
and not in the most noticeable place on his site,
but rather way down at the bottom where you aren't
likely to see it or worry your head about it until
you're experienced enough to take it in stride...

as for the idea of an Insiders Club or Mastermind...

well, we've got that right here, don't we?

Alan might even agree to set up a Kindle forum...

and wouldn't that be nice!

warmest regards...

Elizabeth

P.S.

I got an email late yesterday from Dr. Andy
saying he is NOT going to buy the Deiss product...

but he is going to leave his preliminary review of it
on his blog because of all the helpful comments...

:-)
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If your business model involves product launches
every few months, though, then modeling what Deiss
*does* will probably help you get where you want to go...

But following what he *says* may have you going
around in circles, if you don't understand
from the start what business you're in...
We have a winner.
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Just an update on what is going on inside of number one book club. Well to be honest not all that much as yet.

Ryan Deiss has said in many ways that "The Community" is really his product, not so much the how to write a book education. The content is rolling out each day so I will let you know my thoughts on it when it is all available.

My only dissappointment so far is, that if the community is the product where is Ryan? I thought he would be active in the forum but he is a no show. Are we expected to drive his product for him? My only gripe really.

I am personally happy with the upsells which are software for book cover creation and formatting. I have to admit though I am a control freak and like to do it all myself. I also am a perfectionist and have not really had the best expereince getting others to do things for me. I really do overcomplicate things for myself. But I agree. I hate upsells. How much can you flog a horse. It might make you money but it will not make many friends. Friends and reputation at the end of the day will be the most important thing in marketing. Some people are having glitches with the software but I have not had any as yet.

I have not bought the Kindling course but will be. I think a few fingers in the pie of a few communities can't hurt. It just depends what your are trying to acheive with your book or books I think.

I am pretty happy with the interaction of all the members that are over at number one. They are all giving it a go and willing to help others. There are now over 900 members.

The OTO was not just software but 5 book promotions as well that could turn out to be invaluable. That is the reason most people took the OTO if they did from what I read. Not sure what Ryan Deiss has planned for this exactly as yet but at less than $70 bucks a book I am not going to complain.

I still think overall it is good, but just a different level and depends if that level is what you need. Only plan to sell one book for $2.99 then it is not needed at all. Plan to expand in a big way and then I think it is a worthy investment. Hope this helps you make the right decision for you.
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Hello, InspiredWriter...

You wrote:
Quote:
I have not bought the Kindling course but will be.
I think a few fingers in the pie of a few communities can't hurt.
It just depends what you're are trying to acheive with your book...
If by this you mean Geoff Shaw's course, then I
encourage you to buy it. It's just a fraction of the
cost of Ryan's course, and it has the added advantage
of having all the training at the ready, including
all the recent updates. I would love to hear how you
like it, and how you think it compares to Ryan's.

Like Dr. Andy, I have decided *not* to purchase
the Deiss course. I bought into his "Subscription Empire"
course about this time last year and wound up feeling
both frustrated and disappointed.

Myself, I hate it when lessons are doled out once a week.

That rhythm is all wrong for me...so wrong, in fact, that
I will go do something else for awhile until all the lessons
are uploaded, and then I'll dive in.

Weekly Q&A coaching calls were supposed to be a part of
that package, and they are...except that Ryan himself has
long since moved on to other things and appointed a sidekick
in his place...which is really all right, seeing as how his
"substitute teacher" seems to know his stuff...but it does
leave one with an odd feeling...

Ryan may say that "The Community" is really his product,
but that only works if his community's *perception* of him is positive...
to the extent that it's not, his community will become what is known as a
"diseased herd"...

and you are already showing some of the symptoms of the disease!

On the bright side, if you take your focus off of what Ryan
is *saying* and put it on what he is *doing* then your $600
will be money extremely well spent...

In a nutshell, here's what he's doing:
Quote:
- Define a market
- Go find out where your potential buyers hang out (forums, blogs, feeds, etc.)
- See what they desire/need/want, identify the big "issues"
- Find a first version of your "hook" (don't start anything without a hook)
- Test your hook by buying targeted traffic to a dedicated page (not an open blog just yet)
- Record feedback with surveys/polls
- After survey, gather emails
- Adjust hook if needed based on survey results
- Start early communication(!)
- Don't sell but ASK questions/interact with your peeps
- Build product based on feedback from surveys and questions.
My friend Peter Spaepen worked this up, but I concur, and
if you keep it in front of you as you work through Ryan's
course, you'll see just how closely he follows it...

and you'll get two educations for the price of one!

warmest regards...

Elizabeth


P.S.

You wrote...

Quote:
"Friends and reputation at the end of the day
will be the most important thing in marketing."
I agree.

In addition to which, it keeps the SaltyDroid off your tail!

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From the outside Deiss' Number One Book Club looks like a high-end professionally managed membership site complete with all the necessary content and well thought out ways for members with common interests to communicate with each other to share thoughts and request reviews.

However, once you get inside you find it is a poorly constructed membership shell with minimal content, no organized forum structure, zero interaction between Deiss (or his proxy), poorly written software, no support, and a large number of refund requests that have gone unanswered even after multiple requests.

It is overpriced and overhyped, both the basic entry fee and the multiple OTO's.
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Hello, espycameras...

Thank you for sharing this...

Deiss and his team do a great job of researching their market
and identifying its "pain" and uncovering all its "hot buttons"
that can be laid out in bullet points on sales letters...

and they do a great job of crafting their "hook" and their "IFO"
("Irresistible Free Offer") which you can confirm for yourself by
downloading their free ebook, "How To Sell 100 Books A Day,"
which Dr. Andy says includes "7 tips you can use right now to help
you launch your kindle books," and he gives the link to it here...
The Kindle Publishing Challenge

but when it comes to *perceived* value for the money,
there seems to be some problems with Deiss products...
Search Results ryan deiss

I'm not necessarily saying that the value isn't actually there...
after all, that $600 includes attendance at an event, and Ryan
comes across very well as a speaker, so that could turn out
to be an awesome experience, if you're into events...

but if you're not, then I'd say grab the free ebook, skip the pricey
course, purchase Geoff Shaw's excellent Kindle training, and dig in!

warmest regards...

Elizabeth

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Aaron Wall said it best:

"If you want to buy from a person who *always* has another new product
with a secret short cut to sell, Ryan is THE guy."
Ryan Deiss Perpetual Traffic Formula Review (Killer Free Bonus Offer)

See also Aaron's post on "How Internet Marketing Works"
for a trustworthy explanation of the basics...
True Internet Marketing Icons / How Online Marketing Works | SEO Book.com

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The content is absolutely pitiful - there is almost none of it.

He promised that he would share his "proprietory secrets", but all this really amounts to are things like buying press releases, Facebook ads and posting on freebie sites (most of which seem to be spammed to death).

In his sales presentations and interviews with some of his affiliates he told us that we would have access to his social media platforms to promote our books, but when you go to pay that is actually part of the OTO. In other words, he has low-balled us - isn't that illegal?

Furthermore, the book on vertical gardening that his launch was focussed on is now about #55,585 in the overall paid listings. Furthermore, it is only #5 and #8 in a couple of very low-level categories. Not very impressive at all.

I honestly don't think he and his team know very much about Kindle book marketing at all. Yes, they were able to get their Kindle Publishing book and the one on Pinterest up high in the rankings, but I suspect this was only because of the size of his lists.

Regarding "The Community", it is disorganized and quite chaotic. There is limited involvement from his team. They are basically just letting everyone sort things out for themselves. And there are a few people who complaining about this.

Overall, I would say there is little value in his training, but there will probably be some from "The Community" (although most of this value will be coming from other members - he is only facilitating it). For nearly $300 though, I don't think it is worth it.
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Back again for another update. I would have to say that my feeling on the program is that it is money well spent for my personal situation. There are problems for sure and members are pretty vocal about it so hopefully they do something about that soon.

At the end of the day I could be upset about how much Ryan is making from the almost 3000 members when he is not playing an active role in the business model. I could be upset that the framework is clunky and so old school that it frustrates me to tears. But I am choosing not to focus on those issues and just focus on making it work for me. Ryan is just a business man who happens to have a long reach in the internet community. If he can use that to bring close to 3000 people together then I will make the most of it.

I have found a lot of the course info to be general but there were a few pearls in there that I believe were well worth the money to know. I agree, drip fed content is not my choice for a learning platform. I like to get stuck in as soon as possible as do others, so there is a marketing tactic behind it for sure.

As mentioned I bought all the upsells and I am still happy with them.

The membership is now closed. As there is a member counter it will be interesting to see if that number goes down a lot over the next month. I just hope they get to fixing the issues that will drive people away. All in all it looks very much like this was as Rydan Deiss said "A Rushed Job" Hopefully ironing out the problems will be a quick job also.

I understand all your comments easyrider7 and agree that the community is the glue for now. If that starts to unravel well then there is very little value indeed in the main product. Time will tell I guess as to the long term value.
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Going by how well InspiredWriter is pushing the product in this thread, I would not touch the 1 book system even if it was 17$. 90% refund rate for this product is what I forsee.You don't fool people with false marketing for long.

Thanks to Elizabeth and others for suggesting good alternative products.
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Thanks to Elizabeth and InspiredWriter (and all other input). I'd love to see an update now that there's been time to implement. InspiredWriter, any results to share?
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Just an update on what is going on inside of number one book club. Well to be honest not all that much as yet.

Ryan Deiss has said in many ways that "The Community" is really his product, not so much the how to write a book education. The content is rolling out each day so I will let you know my thoughts on it when it is all available.

My only dissappointment so far is, that if the community is the product where is Ryan? I thought he would be active in the forum but he is a no show. Are we expected to drive his product for him? My only gripe really.

I am personally happy with the upsells which are software for book cover creation and formatting. I have to admit though I am a control freak and like to do it all myself. I also am a perfectionist and have not really had the best expereince getting others to do things for me. I really do overcomplicate things for myself. But I agree. I hate upsells. How much can you flog a horse. It might make you money but it will not make many friends. Friends and reputation at the end of the day will be the most important thing in marketing. Some people are having glitches with the software but I have not had any as yet.

I have not bought the Kindling course but will be. I think a few fingers in the pie of a few communities can't hurt. It just depends what your are trying to acheive with your book or books I think.

I am pretty happy with the interaction of all the members that are over at number one. They are all giving it a go and willing to help others. There are now over 900 members.

The OTO was not just software but 5 book promotions as well that could turn out to be invaluable. That is the reason most people took the OTO if they did from what I read. Not sure what Ryan Deiss has planned for this exactly as yet but at less than $70 bucks a book I am not going to complain.

I still think overall it is good, but just a different level and depends if that level is what you need. Only plan to sell one book for $2.99 then it is not needed at all. Plan to expand in a big way and then I think it is a worthy investment. Hope this helps you make the right decision for you.
I know you've already purchased the OTOs, but just in case something goes wrong with your Kindle formatting software, here is a Fiverr that I have used where the owner will format your Word document into the Kindle format, and create a clickable TOC for $5

Asor47 will convert your word document into a kindle formatting book with clickable toc that will get accepted by amazon right away for $5, only on fiverr.com

Also, if you use OpenOffice, save your document in the .rtf format. You can also write a sample document, and send it to her first to make sure that the format type you are using will work for the Kindle format.

You also send her the ebook cover that you have created, and she will combine it all into one file for Amazon. You still have to upload it to Amazon yourself (or you can use a Fiverr gig to do that as well).
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Someone else asked about this system in another thread, and someone suggested another WSO to check out. I've looked through all the comments, and so far they seem pretty good:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ior-style.html

UPDATE: The thread that I got this link from has been taken down. Wonder why...?

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What are the OTO's (& prices) for this course?

Thanks in advance,

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When you first click on the link it takes you to a page where you watch a LONG video with no order button in sight. After several minutes you get a button to take you to an order page. In my case I chose the '3 payments of $97' option

The first OTO is a set of 3 different products:

Cover Lover - ebook cover creator that uses templates that are styled after ebook covers that, "through research", seem to be very successful for other ebooks.

Pub Star -the Kindle formatting tool that helps you to format your text for Kindle. Also, it helps you generate a clickable TOC.

This is where I got a red flag about this. Ryan said that he got the idea for this program after paying someone $1,000 to format a Kindle book for him. That seems strange considering how business savvy a person Ryan seems to be. Also, I found someone on Fiverr that will format a text document for you, and create a clickable TOC for $5 that I have used in the past:

Asor47 will convert your word document into a kindle formatting book with clickable toc that will get accepted by amazon right away for $5, only on fiverr.com

I just find it strange that Ryan would pay that much to format a Kindle book when other less expensive options are readily available. BUT, I decided to stay with this since I do realize that a network of people helping each other would definitely make it easier to help a Kindle book become profitable.


And finally, access to Ryan's syndication network where you can put your Kindle book up on a website for free Kindle books, and have access to his 'Free Kindle Books' fan page.

The first offer on this is 1 payment of $297. If you click 'no', then you are taken to another page where you can split this up into 3 payments of $97 each. In my case, I said no to this too.

You are then taken to another page where you are about to enter the members area, and where you are offered a THIRD OTO!

This one is for access to his ePub insider's club for only $29.95 / month.

I said no to this too. Finally got to the page where you can log in.

After going through all that, I decided to check out the Warrior Forum where I found this thread. After reading through all the comments, I sent an email to customer support to request a refund.

I got an email back saying that my request has been forwarded on to the sales department. I suspect that they will try to "sell" me on this program to keep me in it, but I did explain in my original request about finding all the stuff here in the WF. Hopefully, the refund process will be quick and painless.

UPDATE: Got an email back saying it will take 5 to 7 business days to process. Will update this once refund has been obtained.

UPDATE: Did get my refund. For those who are still waiting for their refund, here is the cycle:

When you put in a support ticket request for a refund, they do not send you an email to let you know that your support ticket has been submitted. If you don't hear back within 2 to 3 days, update your ticket asking if anyone has been assigned to it as of yet. Once someone has been assigned to it, here is the beginning of the first email they send you:

Good Morning,
Thank you for your email. First, I want to let you know, we completely respect your right to request a refund/cancellation of Number One Book System. At Digital Marketer, we pride ourselves on following through with our promises.
I want to make sure I have done everything to make you a satisfied customer. My goal is to guarantee your success!


This email will also contain a special offer to keep you as a customer. If you turn it down, here is the second email that they send you:

Hello,
Thank you for giving our product a fair try! I am very sorry that we were not able to fulfill your needs and wants at this time.
Your order has been refunded, please allow 5-7 business days for your credit to appear on your statement depending on
the speed of your bank.
Obviously we want to do everything we can (within reason) to keep you as a satisfied customer, and we would love if you came back to us in the future when we have something that better fits your needs.
If there’s anything else we can do to satisfy you, please don’t hesitate to reply and let me know.
Have a great day!
Customer Care Department
Support@drivingtraffic.com
(Monday-Friday 9:00-5:00 CST)
H*** (I changed this to protect the identity of customer care rep)
Customer Care
Mon. - Fri., 9am to 5pm (CST)


Keep your ticket open until you actually get your refund. Once you get your refund, be fair, and close your ticket.

They did pretty good with getting in contact with me about this, but I do wish their system was set up to send an automated email to let me know that my support ticket had been received the first time I sent one in.

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May I suggest a system that isn't as pigeon holed. How To Write an eBook - Pays 51% to affiliates at a $49 price point and you get ALOT OF VALUE FOR YOUR MONEY. In the meantime I will check out these others.
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99.999% of WSO's and courses on the Warrior Forum are useless junk, no matter how supposedly reputable the sellers are (most of the glowing reviews are done by affiliates anyway).

However Geoff Shaw's,'Kindling' is a proper course with no holes - full of details in all contexts - from someone who's genuinely making money with writing. It's $70 or thereabouts and is constantly being updated with useful snippets. I couldn't recommend it more highly.
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I bought the system and trying to get a refund now. sent 3 emails and no reply at all, however when I said I wanted to upgrade I got a reply fast :-)

So i will call the hotline and request the refund by phone.

Just to note .... there are a couple of good tips in the 300$ level but not worth 300$ AND you don't get to join the insider club thing where you get promoted unless you buy the up-sell for another $300 .

So , essentially what is advertised in the sales video is not available UNLESS you go all in for $600.

I bought a couple of ryans $7 reports before and the value was good and in general he does give away great free advice

I have to say I'm more than a bit disappointed in Ryans customer service as regards to a refund. Its without a doubt the worst I have come across.

Sorry Ryan

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Hello, Ian...

To be fair, the Deiss offer includes a free ticket
to a big event, "Pub East" or "Pub West"...

and membership in an "Insiders" club...

in other words, Deiss is offering you a chance
to be part of his "herd"...

and all that for just $300...

er, $600 all in with the OTOs...

but the thing about OTOs is,
they make people feel bad...

you start out feeling happily involved...
and then your pleasure in your purchase
is tarnished by these other things NOT
being part of the package, unless your
pockets are deep enough to get those, too,
but even if they are, you still aren't as
happy as you were before because of thinking
of the unhappiness of those who wouldn't
be able to afford the whole enchilada!

by contrast...

Geoff Shaw does actually recommend
a particular novel-writing software,
but not until after you've gotten your feet wet,
and not in the most noticeable place on his site,
but rather way down at the bottom where you aren't
likely to see it or worry your head about it until
you're experienced enough to take it in stride...

as for the idea of an Insiders Club or Mastermind...

well, we've got that right here, don't we?

Alan might even agree to set up a Kindle forum...

and wouldn't that be nice!

warmest regards...

Elizabeth

P.S.

I got an email late yesterday from Dr. Andy
saying he is NOT going to buy the Deiss product...

but he is going to leave his preliminary review of it
on his blog because of all the helpful comments...

:-)

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Just sent my 4th refund request email ...

Lets see what happens
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Quick update: My refund was processed :-) Excellent!
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Hi, CarlB...

Yes, Ryan's company is actually quite good about tending
to requests for refunds, in my experience...

I was going to drop in here and give you a phone number
to call, but now I see you've been made whole again and
are a happy camper, so you really don't it need now...

Merry Christmas!

Elizabeth

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Thanks Elizabeth! Merry Christmas to you too :-)

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Hi, CarlB...

Yes, Ryan's company is actually quite good about tending
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I was going to drop in here and give you a phone number
to call, but now I see you've been made whole again and
are a happy camper, so you really don't it need now...

Merry Christmas!

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If you haven't done so yet, send in a support ticket. I did both, sent in an email, and a support ticket. I got a response back on the support ticket, and nothing on the email.

I think I agree with you on the problem with this set up. They tell you about these great things that you get when you buy the course in the video, BUT they wait until after you are in their sales funnel to let you know that you have to upgrade your course level in order to get the stuff in the video.

If you have to upgrade your order to get something, DON'T MENTION THAT FEATURE IN THE MAIN VIDEO!!! Only mention that feature once someone is positioned to be offered the upgrade.


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I bought the system and trying to get a refund now. sent 3 emails and no reply at all, however when I said I wanted to upgrade I got a reply fast :-)

So i will call the hotline and request the refund by phone.

Just to note .... there are a couple of good tips in the 300$ level but not worth 300$ AND you don't get to join the insider club thing where you get promoted unless you buy the up-sell for another $300 .

So , essentially what is advertised in the sales video is not available UNLESS you go all in for $600.

I bought a couple of ryans $7 reports before and the value was good and in general he does give away great free advice

I have to say I'm more than a bit disappointed in Ryans customer service as regards to a refund. Its without a doubt the worst I have come across.

Sorry Ryan
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I just want to leave my two cents . . . I have Ryan's course and love it. The teachings are complete, the services great, and the customer service excellent.

I bought the whole program, and while it was a piece of change, I feel the value is there. The Number One Book Club is very active. I am a recent member so it may have taken a while for things to warm up. But there are about 5k members and it's a great opportunity to connect with other writers/publishers in your genre.

I am going to the free ePub course in LA and bringing a guest with me (for free). I haven't fully tapped into all the assets the program offers, but I am pleased.

BTW, I am a best-selling author (my current book has sales upwards of 250K) and I am a professional writer. I'm only saying that because a lot of people leave posts when they haven't yet crossed over into their success.

I hope this helps as people make their decisions about how they want to invest in themselves. I also just purchased Geoff's program. It's a great price and can only add to my knowledge.

Hope the best for you.
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I just want to leave my two cents . . . I have Ryan's course and love it. The teachings are complete, the services great, and the customer service excellent.

I bought the whole program, and while it was a piece of change, I feel the value is there. The Number One Book Club is very active. I am a recent member so it may have taken a while for things to warm up. But there are about 5k members and it's a great opportunity to connect with other writers/publishers in your genre.

I am going to the free ePub course in LA and bringing a guest with me (for free). I haven't fully tapped into all the assets the program offers, but I am pleased.

BTW, I am a best-selling author (my current book has sales upwards of 250K) and I am a professional writer. I'm only saying that because a lot of people leave posts when they haven't yet crossed over into their success.

I hope this helps as people make their decisions about how they want to invest in themselves. I also just purchased Geoff's program. It's a great price and can only add to my knowledge.

Hope the best for you.
Hi Susan,

Can you tell us anything about your experience at the live event? Is it a pitch-fest for higher end services of some kind? I've been debating about whether to go or not and of course that entails plane fare and hotel accommodations at the very least. My wife is a published author and has another book in a different genre completed and I have two books in process.

Thanks!

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I bought the course a little while ago and just started digging in. I am not sure why because every time I buy a Ryan Deiss course I end up feeling frustrated and ripped off.

He over promises and under delivers every time. I guess it's my fault this time, was kind of dumb of me to think this time it would be different. I bought his upsell too and it didn't do what he said it would and when I asked for a refund, his support refused.
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