I'm in a big dilemma. ClickBank or JVzoo?

by taskemann 32 replies
I have now, over a month with product approval processes at ClickBank, finally got my new product approved.

But I'm in a big dilemma - should I rather choose JVzoo as a retailer?

The product I've created is a product/service with a long lifetime. I want to market it and update it over many years so it's not a huge, big-shot conspiracy "magic" software that banks million of dollars overnight. So I'm not going to have one of these massive product launches that's (or was) common at ClickBank.

In the past, I've looked into JVzoo and they are getting better and better. Their support are also good, something that ClickBank is missing.

I like that the vendors/sellers at JVzoo have the option to run a closed affiliate program too so I can prevent to get too much junk traffic and affiliates that's not following the FTC promotion guidelines. But I know that one can't prevent this 100%

I also like that JVzoo pays directly to the seller's PayPal account, and not via paychecks like ClickBank does because I have had some trouble to cash in the paychecks in the past because the banks are removing the ability to cash in paychecks here. And the fees to cash in a paycheck are high too.


So what would you've done if you were in my situation? Would you have chosen ClickBank or JVzoo?

ClickBank is still the big guy out there with a lot of affiliates that's looking for products to promote, both at the marketplace and with 3'rd party tools like CBengine.

But if an serious "super" affiliate find a product good and want to promote it, he or she will most likely sign up at the affiliate network/retailer and promote it if he or she is serious.


Argh.. I can't decide.. Can someone please give me some inputs?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Erickson
    Hmm... I want to give you a quick answer man.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    After being slapped all about the place by PayPal, I would definitely say 2 thumbs up for your ClickBank choice. If JVZoo offers other payment options that are non-PayPal, then I'd give them a 2 thumbs up too because I like their system. Keep in mind that ClickBank also deals with sales tax and sends out all required tax forms. If you are using other systems, you may be responsible for sending those out yourself.
    • Profile picture of the author taskemann
      Originally Posted by IMSince2003 View Post

      Keep in mind that ClickBank also deals with sales tax and sends out all required tax forms. If you are using other systems, you may be responsible for sending those out yourself.
      The VAT or sales tax should only be paid once and follows a product the whole way. For me, who is from Norway, I don't need to pay any VAT as long as the customers isn't located in Norway. And it's very rare that I get any Norwegian customers. My customers is mostly from US, UK, Australia and Canada.

      But I don't understand ClickBank's VAT system. They're collecting VAT from every country. It doesn't matter where you are from, ClickBank need that sales tax anyways :confused:
  • Profile picture of the author mbacak
    Something else to take in consideration, I've been analyzing the traffic you get from Clickbank affiliates vrs WSO affilaites. Seems that if you use clickbank you get a wider audience of affilaites that can send more heat because the affiliate base is larger and many of the guys that can send a lot of traffic are worried about losing their paypal accounts - since it happens a lot with people that send massive amount of sales.

    However, the quality of affiliate lists seems better in the WSO space, same with the offers.... with that being said... WSO space transparency is key - and also great customer service, fast (public) response time too. Public being another KEY.
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    • Profile picture of the author taskemann
      Originally Posted by mbacak View Post

      Something else to take in consideration, I've been analyzing the traffic you get from Clickbank affiliates vrs WSO affilaites. Seems that if you use clickbank you get a wider audience of affilaites that can send more heat because the affiliate base is larger and many of the guys that can send a lot of traffic are worried about losing their paypal accounts - since it happens a lot with people that send massive amount of sales.

      However, the quality of affiliate lists seems better in the WSO space, same with the offers.... with that being said... WSO space transparency is key - and also great customer service, fast (public) response time too. Public being another KEY.
      Hi Matt and thank you for your reply.

      I didn't knew that one could lose their PayPal account because of high sale volume... :p

      But it's not a WSO I'm going to launch, it's a stand-alone sales page and the product/service is a membership site.

      And it's quality traffic I want and I know that a lot of the, what you call for "WSO traffic", is of high quality and converts well.

      I'll try my best when it comes to support because I know that 80% of the customers falls away because of bad support. And that's one reason why I don't like ClickBank anymore because of their big lack of good support. But what the heck, it's not the support I'm chasing, but the CASH
  • Profile picture of the author andrewkar
    Go JVzoo... (that's copyright protected! )

    Do not think twice. And like Matt said make sure you have customer service and all ready for launch. Actually I think you could benefit a lot from the Matt's link... They have some great stuff to share!
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    People don't lose their PayPal accounts because of high trade volume.

    Sometimes they get paused, but I don't think they get completely closed down because of that.

    High sales volume means lots of money for PayPal.

    That said- PayPal is looking down on things like 100% commissions these days. Anything like Rapid Action Profits, or offering affiliates in Warrior + or JV Zoo 100% commissions can get you on PayPal's bad side.

    As for your question- I think it depends on how big you want your product to be. There are a lot more affiliates on CB, but JVZoo seems to be the higher quality platform- and is getting a LOT more updates than CB.
    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hi Justin,

      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post

      That said- PayPal is looking down on things like 100% commissions these days. Anything like Rapid Action Profits, or offering affiliates in Warrior + or JV Zoo 100% commissions can get you on PayPal's bad side.
      Sorry - but I have to question your source on this statement - as it is JUST PLAIN WRONG!

      How could you possibly know that Paypal looks down on 100% commission rates?

      With all of the services mentioned (and I speak from 5+ years of first-hand experience with regard to Rapid Action Profits), the transaction sent to Paypal on a 100% commission transaction appears to Paypal as though the affiliate were actually the merchant.

      There is nothing, (or very little, if using one of the adaptive payment systems), to distinguish that transaction, from a transaction that was originated on behalf of the merchant.

      In my experience, it is the customer who originates the transaction, and the customer who agrees to allow Paypal to process the payment to the recipient (either merchant or affiliate), and Paypal really doesn't care who those 2 parties are, as long as they can identify who is the buyer and who is the seller.

      The customer authorizes the payment transaction, and that's really all that Paypal cares about.
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  • Profile picture of the author justbenoticed
    I've tried to buy things from people that use JVZoo and there is always some type of error with PayPal so I would try ClickBank IMO!
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    • Profile picture of the author taskemann
      Originally Posted by justbenoticed View Post

      I've tried to buy things from people that use JVZoo and there is always some type of error with PayPal so I would try ClickBank IMO!
      I had the exact same problem with my test purchase now at JVzoo lol :p

      It worked with ClickBank, but not at JVzoo. I get no receipt or necessary instructions after purchase :rolleyes:
  • Profile picture of the author nmoppa01
    JVZOO is racing fast to close in on Clickbank, in my opinion JVZOO is the best choice for anything to do with internet marketing, Clickbank is great for any other niche.

    About the 100% commission: some say they have problems with paypal, some say they don't. The top WSO sellers still say they have no problems with paypal. But in case you doubt, just ask paypal, that is always the best way. And that goes for any doubts on any subject for any site including Clickbank and JVZOO.

    The same goes for the block paypal sets to accounts. You can ask paypal why they do it from time to time, and you get a very good answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Test them both and see which one really works for you. The best way to find out in my opinion.
  • Profile picture of the author Clark Pearson
    I like JVZOO as well but I don't use it for selling anything and probably never will. The reason is because once your customer buys your product through JVZOO, JVZOO thinks that they are now THEIR customer.

    This means that when your customers go to download their product they will see lots of ads for other IM products (whether your product was IM related or not). JVZOO will also put them on their mailing list and send them promotional emails. I have received six emails from JVZOO (not an individual vendor) promoting the same JVZOO product in one day. I'm sure they wouldn't resend to me if I opened them immediately but still, I view this as spam from the service provider. And does the last vendor I purchased from get commissions on all these other products JVZOO is promoting? I don't think so.

    I try to protect my customers from other people's spammy promotion. So I don't currently use JVZOO.

    But a final thought is this: Why don't you use multiple transaction service providers? Have sales pages set up for each one. You can set it up like this:
    yourdomain.com - buy with PayPal (no affiliate program) or RAP (with affiliates)
    yourdomain.com/cb - buy through ClickBank with their affiliates
    yourdomain.com/jvz - buy through JVZOO with their affiliates
    yourdomain.com/wso - buy through WarriorPlus with their affiliates

    As long as you do nothing to cheat your affiliates out of their commissions, they won't mind. You can use several different affiliate marketplaces to reach the most affiliates.

    Also, check out DigiResults. You can sell your clickbank product through them as well as your direct sales. They don't send out email to your customers either. Their marketplace and affiliate pool isn't as big as JVZoo or W+ but their service is, IMHO, the best.
    • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
      Originally Posted by Clark Pearson View Post

      I like JVZOO as well but I don't use it for selling anything and probably never will. The reason is because once your customer buys your product through JVZOO, JVZOO thinks that they are now THEIR customer.

      This means that when your customers go to download their product they will see lots of ads for other IM products (whether your product was IM related or not). JVZOO will also put them on their mailing list and send them promotional emails. I have received six emails from JVZOO (not an individual vendor) promoting the same JVZOO product in one day. I'm sure they wouldn't resend to me if I opened them immediately but still, I view this as spam from the service provider. And does the last vendor I purchased from get commissions on all these other products JVZOO is promoting? I don't think so.

      I try to protect my customers from other people's spammy promotion. So I don't currently use JVZOO.

      But a final thought is this: Why don't you use multiple transaction service providers? Have sales pages set up for each one. You can set it up like this:
      yourdomain.com - buy with PayPal (no affiliate program) or RAP (with affiliates)
      yourdomain.com/cb - buy through ClickBank with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/jvz - buy through JVZOO with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/wso - buy through WarriorPlus with their affiliates

      As long as you do nothing to cheat your affiliates out of their commissions, they won't mind. You can use several different affiliate marketplaces to reach the most affiliates.

      Also, check out DigiResults. You can sell your clickbank product through them as well as your direct sales. They don't send out email to your customers either. Their marketplace and affiliate pool isn't as big as JVZoo or W+ but their service is, IMHO, the best.
      This is a fairly old post I guess, but I just want to add my concern about the way JVZoo blasts several weekly promotions to everyone in their system. It does get very annoying and although there are many things about JVZoo I love, this is the only one I really hate and I'm guessing a lot of our customers will hate it too and it could come back to haunt some of us, especially with local businesses that make purchases.
    • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
      Originally Posted by Clark Pearson View Post

      I like JVZOO as well but I don't use it for selling anything and probably never will. The reason is because once your customer buys your product through JVZOO, JVZOO thinks that they are now THEIR customer.

      This means that when your customers go to download their product they will see lots of ads for other IM products (whether your product was IM related or not). JVZOO will also put them on their mailing list and send them promotional emails. I have received six emails from JVZOO (not an individual vendor) promoting the same JVZOO product in one day. I'm sure they wouldn't resend to me if I opened them immediately but still, I view this as spam from the service provider. And does the last vendor I purchased from get commissions on all these other products JVZOO is promoting? I don't think so.

      I try to protect my customers from other people's spammy promotion. So I don't currently use JVZOO.

      But a final thought is this: Why don't you use multiple transaction service providers? Have sales pages set up for each one. You can set it up like this:
      yourdomain.com - buy with PayPal (no affiliate program) or RAP (with affiliates)
      yourdomain.com/cb - buy through ClickBank with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/jvz - buy through JVZOO with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/wso - buy through WarriorPlus with their affiliates

      As long as you do nothing to cheat your affiliates out of their commissions, they won't mind. You can use several different affiliate marketplaces to reach the most affiliates.

      Also, check out DigiResults. You can sell your clickbank product through them as well as your direct sales. They don't send out email to your customers either. Their marketplace and affiliate pool isn't as big as JVZoo or W+ but their service is, IMHO, the best.
      I didn't even think about that - referring to being opted in to JVzoo's email list. I mean, I noticed I was getting the emails all the time, but being in IM I am used to all the emails. Didn't pay attention to the fact that I never actually signed up to recieve marketing emails from JVZoo.

      And since I am launching products that ARE NOT in the IM space, that alone will make me never use JvZoo again. Thanks for pointing that out.

      On a side note, I sold a memebership site through them before and after the purchase JVzoo creates an account for them to "access their purchase" with login information....

      I had sooooo many dang emails from people telling me that they could not login to my website (being confused by 2 login emails)

      You would be surprised how non-tech savy your market is if you step outside of IM for your products. Something to keep in mind
    • Profile picture of the author itworked
      Originally Posted by Clark Pearson View Post

      I like JVZOO as well but I don't use it for selling anything and probably never will. The reason is because once your customer buys your product through JVZOO, JVZOO thinks that they are now THEIR customer.

      This means that when your customers go to download their product they will see lots of ads for other IM products (whether your product was IM related or not). JVZOO will also put them on their mailing list and send them promotional emails. I have received six emails from JVZOO (not an individual vendor) promoting the same JVZOO product in one day. I'm sure they wouldn't resend to me if I opened them immediately but still, I view this as spam from the service provider. And does the last vendor I purchased from get commissions on all these other products JVZOO is promoting? I don't think so.

      I try to protect my customers from other people's spammy promotion. So I don't currently use JVZOO.

      But a final thought is this: Why don't you use multiple transaction service providers? Have sales pages set up for each one. You can set it up like this:
      yourdomain.com - buy with PayPal (no affiliate program) or RAP (with affiliates)
      yourdomain.com/cb - buy through ClickBank with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/jvz - buy through JVZOO with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/wso - buy through WarriorPlus with their affiliates

      As long as you do nothing to cheat your affiliates out of their commissions, they won't mind. You can use several different affiliate marketplaces to reach the most affiliates.

      Also, check out DigiResults. You can sell your clickbank product through them as well as your direct sales. They don't send out email to your customers either. Their marketplace and affiliate pool isn't as big as JVZoo or W+ but their service is, IMHO, the best.
      Clark, have you actually used the multi-marketplace approach you describe above or seen it done before? I'm trying to figure out which way to go with a Wordpress plugin I'll be selling soon.
    • Profile picture of the author Voyadine
      Originally Posted by Clark Pearson View Post

      yourdomain.com - buy with PayPal (no affiliate program) or RAP (with affiliates)
      yourdomain.com/cb - buy through ClickBank with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/jvz - buy through JVZOO with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/wso - buy through WarriorPlus with their affiliates
      Great idea - gonna implement it to see how it goes. I hate the CB fees tho.
    • Profile picture of the author Networking_now
      Originally Posted by Clark Pearson View Post


      But a final thought is this: Why don't you use multiple transaction service providers? Have sales pages set up for each one. You can set it up like this:
      yourdomain.com - buy with PayPal (no affiliate program) or RAP (with affiliates)
      yourdomain.com/cb - buy through ClickBank with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/jvz - buy through JVZOO with their affiliates
      yourdomain.com/wso - buy through WarriorPlus with their affiliates

      As long as you do nothing to cheat your affiliates out of their commissions, they won't mind. You can use several different affiliate marketplaces to reach the most affiliates.
      I heard this puts affiliates off, especially the big ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebestsellers
    First and foremost, JVZoo commissions are instant via PayPal. In my opinion this is the number one reason affiliates are flocking to JVZoo. As compared to ClickBank who makes it hard for new affiliates to get paid, and traditional networks like Commission Junction that may take up to 90 days to pay your commissions, JVZoo uses PayPal’s Adaptive Payments technology to pay you instantly at the point of sale.

    According to their site:
    Our system runs on Paypal’s adaptive payment system which allows your payments to go directly into your PayPal account the moment a sale is made. Unlike other instant payment systems with Paypal, JVZoo has a true payment system that allows you to be paid for EVERY sale that is made.
    If you’ve been in affiliate marketing long enough you would have probably tried various affiliate programs that implement “instant split PayPal payment” for sales and commissions – sites like . In theory the program will split payments received from buyers between sellers and buyers, directly to their PayPal account. In practice however, it uses a rotational order button to distribute payment between the seller and affiliates at the percentage set by the seller.

    In other words, if a seller set commissions to be 50%, the first sale will be made to the seller’s PayPal account, while the second sale will be made to the affiliate’s PayPal account. The third sale goes back to the seller’s PayPal account, and so on.


    There’s a massive problem with this model: REFUNDS!


    When a buyer requests for a refund, the seller would have to check if the payment was made to his PayPal account, or to the affiliate’s PayPal account. If he did not receive the payment, he would have to ask the buyer to contact the affiliate directly (or contact the affiliate on the seller’s behalf) to get a refund.


    As you can expect, this is a very messy and potentially destructive for your online reputation. Buyers would find it difficult to get their money back from the affiliate, especially when some of them may have never known a third person was involved in their purchase.
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    • Profile picture of the author mooba
      Originally Posted by ebestsellers View Post

      First and foremost, JVZoo commissions are instant via PayPal. In my opinion this is the number one reason affiliates are flocking to JVZoo. As compared to ClickBank who makes it hard for new affiliates to get paid, and traditional networks like Commission Junction that may take up to 90 days to pay your commissions, JVZoo uses PayPal’s Adaptive Payments technology to pay you instantly at the point of sale.

      According to their site:
      Our system runs on Paypal’s adaptive payment system which allows your payments to go directly into your PayPal account the moment a sale is made. Unlike other instant payment systems with Paypal, JVZoo has a true payment system that allows you to be paid for EVERY sale that is made.
      If you’ve been in affiliate marketing long enough you would have probably tried various affiliate programs that implement “instant split PayPal payment” for sales and commissions – sites like . In theory the program will split payments received from buyers between sellers and buyers, directly to their PayPal account. In practice however, it uses a rotational order button to distribute payment between the seller and affiliates at the percentage set by the seller.

      In other words, if a seller set commissions to be 50%, the first sale will be made to the seller’s PayPal account, while the second sale will be made to the affiliate’s PayPal account. The third sale goes back to the seller’s PayPal account, and so on.


      There’s a massive problem with this model: REFUNDS!


      When a buyer requests for a refund, the seller would have to check if the payment was made to his PayPal account, or to the affiliate’s PayPal account. If he did not receive the payment, he would have to ask the buyer to contact the affiliate directly (or contact the affiliate on the seller’s behalf) to get a refund.


      As you can expect, this is a very messy and potentially destructive for your online reputation. Buyers would find it difficult to get their money back from the affiliate, especially when some of them may have never known a third person was involved in their purchase.

      So are you saying this is the way JVZoo does it too (as far as refunds), or are you only saying this is the way other instant payment systems do it, but not JVZoo?

      Does JVZoo pay half to the affiliate and half to the vendor, and then if there is a refund request does JVZoo automatically take half out of the Vendors Paypal account and half out of the affiliate account?

      Or is the Vendor left on their own to handle the refund and to try to persuade the affiliate to help out and give their portion of the money back to the customer too? This would be difficult, as most affiliates would have probably already spent the money and have none to give back etc.

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