MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!!

Instructor · 10-31-2009, 09:50 PM

So how much is MNF currently?

Are there any discounts/coupons available?

askloz · 10-31-2009, 10:33 PM

problem is, files get corrupted by these viruses... I'd bet ya if you did a clean install of your OS, it would work

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeburty

I had the full version of KE2 and it froze up with me and the computer as well
several times. Everything the support team suggested over 6 days of trying didn't work and I think they were only too happy to tell me how to get a refund

They have a mis-conception that most faults are caused by a virus checker
or firewall but in my experience removing the VC and firewall made no difference
whatsoever

Its a pity becasue KE2 looks good but I'll be sticking to Market Sumarai

askloz · 10-31-2009, 10:36 PM

yeah, that JV is a gold mine, worth the price tag alone.

I spent about 2 hours finding about 100 peeps, after checking their sites, emailed them all... in approx 3 1/2 days, i had 9 JV's... that was via one search term.

I thinks i'll have to outsource that work, cos its darn boring.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Williams

However, I wonder what the users of the new KE 2.0 can say, especially the ones who have tried MS too! (that JV miner tool looks pretty good - I wish MS would have a similar functionality soon

)

weeburty · 11-01-2009, 11:40 AM

Hi

Thanks for input, it was a clean install the day before

weeburty · 11-01-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeburty

I had the full version of KE2 and it froze up with me and the computer as well
several times. Everything the support team suggested over 6 days of trying didn't work and I think they were only too happy to tell me how to get a refund

They have a mis-conception that most faults are caused by a virus checker
or firewall but in my experience removing the VC and firewall made no difference
whatsoever

Its a pity becasue KE2 looks good but I'll be sticking to Market Sumarai

Hi Brad

I've forgot how to PM

Graham

bwj292 · 11-01-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rozram65

Wow, looks like everyone praising MS. Is it worth if you only have one website?

Personally, I have all of the above tools and I just wish I'd found MS before the other two.

I would say it depends on how big your website is. If you have 1 small website then I would say it's no going to be worth it but if you are developing niche websites on a regular basis then it's a fantastic all round tool.

Well worth the money IMHO.

Ben

acro · 11-01-2009, 01:50 PM

Hello Folks;

I have used MNF for 1 1/2 years and found it is great on the initial niche availability. I take the results from MNF and plug into MS for more detail. You have to be a little more astute to use MS. Both programs can run on multiple computers.

I am currently looking at KE2. My initial impressions are the processing times are a little long . It appears it can only run on one computer. That being said Brad has added KE University which goes into detail on how to use in video format KE2. The case study from start to finish is great.

Wayne

rmoore · 11-01-2009, 01:58 PM

I use Market Samurai to research keyword competition for every post, article, or satellite blog I want to create. You just can't go wrong with this tool.

G Singh · 11-02-2009, 02:26 PM

Here's my take on the three. Market Samurai although good doesn't really find those long tail keywords as well as KE2 and MNF.

For keyword research I'm personally finding MNF a lot easier to use, and it's finding me some real gems. But saying this I would still keep KE2. The reason why is that you can double check competiton strength, and by quickly inputting a certain keyword in to KE2 you can look more closely at the competition, i.e backlinks, PR etc. Personally, i think if you can get both then do so because they compliment each other.

askloz · 11-03-2009, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acro

I am currently looking at KE2. My initial impressions are the processing times are a little long . It appears it can only run on one computer. That being said Brad has added KE University which goes into detail on how to use in video format KE2. The case study from start to finish is great.

Wayne

You sure? it's really fast my end.

more vids will be uploaded to ke uni when I've done a ppc case study with the various keyword tools available.

Pragmites · 11-04-2009, 08:46 AM

Market Samurai ALL THE WAY..

We do send out a good amount of analysis reports to our pre-customers. The SEO competition is something that always blows them away. Also it give you something what we refer to as the SpPA (Strategic Penetration Point Analysis). The video support is awesome!

Alexissalaam · 11-05-2009, 05:24 PM

Hi Guys

I just got Google sniper and george recommends KE2 with his system
it's works great but do intend to try MS I'll let you know how I'm doing
with it.

salegurus · 11-06-2009, 09:16 AM

Market Samurai is simply the best investment you can make to find your niche keywords and keyword research.

mrdomains · 11-13-2009, 07:59 PM

I like market samurai because of the interface. pretty accurate rersults too on comp etc

rayt · 11-15-2009, 08:15 AM

Micro Niche Finder now has a measure of backlinks. Really cool.
And I'm happy they keep upgrading with more new features too.

GeorgR. · 11-28-2009, 09:33 PM

I need to say that any of those are very different, so its very difficult to compare.

KE II (imho) has its priority on adwords, and it has all those additional modules which might be helpful.
MS is very powerful, but its a little weak when it comes to brainstorming and finding long tails.
And with MNF i never got over the fact that it doesnt automatically fetch competition or OCI.

My favorite atm is MS. I agree with a poster above, the SEOC is (IMHO) the most important factor and just looking at search volume and SEOC can be incredible profitable in terms of rankings.

I dont care for CPC anymore, neither do i do a lot with adsense, so i personally dont have a use for any of the other tools which are more adwords focused with CPC values etc.

MS is very good for my uses - but i personally would like some features. For example, i dream about a KW tool where you can enter a custom formula for a KEI, a formula which would also weigh PR.

There are some hyper-interesting articles online about calculating a KEI. Example...it is a difference whether i try to rank a phrase for my own, new site - or on ezine articles. On my own site i might never be able to rank for "insurance" - but using a ezine article it MIGHT be worth a try.

Such factors need to be taken into account - SEO/ranking is NOT always the same.

That being said..i think i might post this on the MS forum.

reapr · 11-29-2009, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aha718

I have personally used micro niche finder. I have never had a chance to use the other 2 although I heard about them. For me, I found that micro Niche wasnt really that necessary. I think that the google keywords tool is a good enough of a tool to use.

I use to think that way untill MS. google keywords tool is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Once you get MS and compare it to the best keyword tools it is like bringing a desert eagle, contender or shotgun to a knife fight. Of course we like all other people have them ... opinions that is.

tresfavian · 11-29-2009, 01:59 AM

I'm using MS for now but I have noticed some inaccuracy in AWA - Adwords Advertisers. I do realize there are a number of Ggl search engine data centers that make up some of these discrepancies, however, I have checked over and over and think this column is unreliable. It will say zero advertisers for a keyword- go to Ggl search and I see like 8 advertisers, sometimes another amount.

Unless I'm doing s.t. wrong, I always check this data for sure, which defeats some of the purpose of making quick decisions. It makes me think if this column data is unreliable, what other data is?

cypherslock · 11-29-2009, 02:35 AM

Actually, in the most recent program update AWA has been removed

Mark Francis · 11-29-2009, 02:58 AM

of course micro niche finder!

dseisner · 12-03-2009, 02:31 PM

I tried out Market Samurai, loved it, bought it. Works natively on Mac which is so important for me. No recurring monthly. SEO competition analysis is just amazing.

My only complaints are that it takes up a lot of memory and the keyword research is not the best. I think Keyword Elite might be better for long tail. Samurai doesn't find those long tails that amazing. Some of the stats are clearly off and it's not great for PPC. But when it comes to SEO, Samurai is the best.

Can't speak to MNF, but it doesn't work natively on mac, neither does KE. Parallels drains my system so it's not efficient. Just my 2 cents...

cypherslock · 12-04-2009, 07:15 AM

The best tool is the one that you can work fastest with and solves YOUR particular needs. Consider that if you don't understand the reason and method behind proper niche and keyword research, the "best" tool is useless. There was a huge debate when Bruce Lee unveiled JKD. All this talk over which style was best. When in fact the main point was survival. That was the point, the root. The styles were like different branches on a tree. Pick one, master it and you'd be fine.

Same thing here. When you understand how to pick a niche, find profitable keywords, you can use ANY tool. It comes down to what tool fits best into your work flow. I've used KE2 and seen MNF and have MS. And for me, MS does the trick. It is pointless to argue over tools. We're all trying to get to the same place, and we all use different techniques. The result is the same.

Rozaidi · 12-06-2009, 08:19 AM

Market Samurai is getting more popular compared to others.

cypherslock · 12-06-2009, 05:43 PM

If you mean the keyword research module, it is free once the trial period is over and it is free forever.

If you're talking about the full program there is no way to get it free and to even ask such a thing disrespects not only the creators of Market Samurai but those of us that have paid for it and use it.
So...

What are you asking?

Johncpu · 12-06-2009, 10:18 PM

I think most people who've used MS would agree that it has the broadest feature set in KW research of any KW tool. But Im concerned this will eventually become its' weakness. What MS has in breadth, it lacks in depth.

It'ss already a memory hog and in some functions, it is very slow. The MS folks seem to want to add more modules without enhancing existing ones. For example, it was silly to add 'Finding Content' and 'Publish Content" modules. These are only peripherally relates to SEO and KW research, and should be a separate tool.

Making MS so big, with so many different functions, only prevents them from adding more power to existing modules. I'd like to see more power in the ability to find good long tails rather than simply having new applications.

Joe2 · 12-07-2009, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johncpu

I think most people who've used MS would agree that it has the broadest feature set in KW research of any KW tool. But Im concerned this will eventually become its' weakness. What MS has in breadth, it lacks in depth.

It'ss already a memory hog and in some functions, it is very slow. The MS folks seem to want to add more modules without enhancing existing ones. For example, it was silly to add 'Finding Content' and 'Publish Content" modules. These are only peripherally relates to SEO and KW research, and should be a separate tool.

Making MS so big, with so many different functions, only prevents them from adding more power to existing modules. I'd like to see more power in the ability to find good long tails rather than simply having new applications.

I totally agree with your sentiments. I would very much like your reactions to these suggestions "Boadicea" if you are still tracking this thread.

Joe

JoeHughes · 12-07-2009, 05:21 PM

If you want to be succesful with internet marketing get MS, it is an incredible tool.

However if you don't want to spend the cash you can always try traffic travis which is a poor man's copycat, but is still very useful.

howtoagedeer · 12-07-2009, 08:19 PM

I have market samurai and I love it for my niche sites. I love the keyword tool and to be able to see the the seo competition stats. I like this software and use it alot.

BrentHodgson · 12-10-2009, 02:17 AM

Just had a chance to jump back into the forums, and saw this thread.

I'm glad that a lot of people are enjoying using Market Samurai

Johncpu - you raised some good concerns that I wanted to address briefly...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johncpu

It'ss already a memory hog and in some functions, it is very slow. The MS folks seem to want to add more modules without enhancing existing ones. For example, it was silly to add 'Finding Content' and 'Publish Content" modules. These are only peripherally relates to SEO and KW research, and should be a separate tool.

I see your point here - but let me rebut some of this briefly.

Firstly - Market Samurai was never designed as a keyword research tool.

Instead, it was designed as a workflow tool - the tool that you opened every day for internet marketing - because the key tools you needed were all in one streamlined workflow so that you didn't waste time switching between tools.

It was an experiment - something different, that no other tool was doing - and it seems to have worked. But I think there are benefits to splitting the tool up into 8 pieces of software too.

Re: the "Find Content" and "Publish Content" modules - these aren't recent additions - the buttons etc were all a part of Market Samurai from Day 1. We made a commitment that they'd be released, and we released them.

Re: Enhancements - There have been a LOT of enhancements released since we launched. It seems that every week, there's bug-fixes, new features, speed enhancements, improvements to the tools or something else being released.

And, with the Adobe AIR 2.0 release coming up, it looks like the memory limitations will be removed, and Adobe AIR will run a lot faster.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johncpu

Making MS so big, with so many different functions, only prevents them from adding more power to existing modules.

No way!

We've constantly been adding more power to existing modules since we launched.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johncpu

I'd like to see more power in the ability to find good long tails rather than simply having new applications.

The issue that we keep coming across is finding long tail keywords that are still valuable.

There are a lot of keyword sources available - but you find that if you import them into Market Samurai and filter out all of the "junk" keywords - in many cases you're left with just the same keyword set as if you just used Market Samurai's existing tools in the first place.

We added more long tail analysis a while back with the addition of a 2nd source of keywords a little while ago - and we're constantly experimenting with other sources that we can integrate into Market Samurai.

If you can help us with this - or if there's other specific features that you want to see - get in touch with us.

Many of the good ideas implemented into Market Samurai come from users - and we pay especially close attention to user feedback.

Anyway - I hope this has helped you in some way.

Thank-you for speaking up. We get a lot of good feedback - but unless we get criticism, we'll never know what we need to fix - so I really appreciated reading your post.

Brent

trishworks4u · 12-10-2009, 09:02 AM

I own both MS and MNF and am using both on a daily basis for kw and niche research. there is a wso with some great niche research videos on using just these tools (sorry - not more helpful w/ the link).

anyway - MNF gets me kicked out of google everytime I use it so I had purchase a proxy service. It doesn't have proxy functions. Otherwise, I absolutely love it.

MS - is a little better at finding the long-tail kw's and doing some broader searches. And, of course, has all of the other bells and whistles already mentioned.

I had the KE2 trial and it was fine but prefer to stick with the above 2.

mariahm · 12-10-2009, 11:09 AM

I've been usiing micro niche finder for awhile now,and it just keeps getting better and better. Each update adds something else that just increases how well it works.

Patricia1 · 12-10-2009, 12:51 PM

I've only ever used Micro Niche Finder and have been very satisfied. Must say though that I'm impressed by the very positive feedback for Market Samurai.

Maximillion_Z · 12-10-2009, 02:20 PM

Love MNF, even happier with the fact that he keeps updating it...

101millionAds · 12-10-2009, 02:23 PM

I will have to recommend Keyword Elite.

Annette.

robertc · 12-10-2009, 08:23 PM

i use MNF, you can install in 2 computers.

margotoliver · 12-11-2009, 12:25 PM

Market Samurai is a great piece of software, you get a free trial, so have a look at it and find those keywords and use them.

Johncpu · 12-12-2009, 12:59 PM

Brent - thanks for responding. I appreciate the comments, and let me respond with my own:

Regarding enhancements - I don't recall any big performance improvements. Seems that most updates have been bug fixes(not a bad thing !). In fact the recent loss of the AWA column was disappointing, but I understand that was a google issue and not an MS fault.

Regarding long-tail KW - I spend a lot of time manually adding phrase variations like singular to plural forms, changing phrases etc, that MS should be doing for me. Hopefully this function can be strengthened.

I don’t want this post to sound negative. MS is a great tool. I just hope that improvements are made in existing features rather than simply adding modules. I've tried to post critiques and challenges on the MS blog, but they never get published (not surprisingly), So I'll add a couple suggestions/requests here.

1) MS needs a faster engine. The analysis speed is fine, but I can watch the second hand on my watch when I do things like move between KW tabs or pull up an existing KW file. The slowness is painful.

2) You must add more ability to manipulate the data. Simple things like combining KW tabs, or moving phrases between tabs would be a start. The only way to do that now is to dump it into a spreadsheet. But there are several steps that MS could do before that last dump.

3) Get rid of OCI. This just slows down the tool, and is a completely inaccurate and bogus measurement. And for MNF users, sorry, but this is true for your tool too. If the MS or MNF folks decide to discuss where this comes from and how it is calculated, I think most will agree with me on that.

Again, MS is an excellent tool. And despite the critique, I'd recommend it to anyone.

John

Candace37 · 12-12-2009, 11:33 PM

The winner, after buying and using 7 KW tools for my businesses, is Micro Niche Finder, hands down.

Not only does it kick out quick results, but it shows you lists of affiliate products that go with each long-tail keyword; lists articles that use the KW terms, suggests keywords, brainstorms keywords, and much more.

What is also a tremendous help for me in my business is that I can sit employees in front of the computer, and teach them how to pull stable and meaningful results out of the tool within five minutes.

Not many KW tools are that easy to learn, easy to teach, easy to use, AND keep my customers always coming back to me for repeat business. Why? They get click-throughs based on the keywords generated by MNF, and people buy their products.

It's like Travis Sego would say, "Find a hungry crowd and give 'em what they want." When I use MNF I get the results fast, and the *counts* and *green light* guarantee that my clients are going to make money off the articles I write for them. Period.

I also like the fact that new enhancements are continually being added, and I don't have to pay a yearly upgrade fee.

bishwajeet · 12-13-2009, 09:10 AM

I use Market Samurai, never used the other 2. But i can say in all honesty that MS its a great piece of software

cypherslock · 12-13-2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illustraboy

thank's a lot. i don't know how to used of them. if any review about xrumer.

Xrumer is for posting forum spam. If you're a serious marketer, you'll stay far away from anything like that. My advice is get the trials of Keyword Elite 2, Market Samurai and buy Micro Niche Finder. Use all three LEARN the process of spotting a good niche and then keep the one you feel fits best with your workflow. And take your business seriously. Shortcuts like xrumer will not serve you in the long run. Tools that let you research and publish good quality content that fills a need, will.

*gets off soapbox*

allar · 12-14-2009, 02:36 PM

I have KE2 and Market Samurai. I use both but I like Market Samurai the best and use it most. If I had to choose, it`s MS.

thebillionairegirl · 12-14-2009, 05:55 PM

Totally agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhab

Overall I like Market Samurai the best and use it most. That being said, I also use Micro Niche Finder as well. If I were only allowed 1 out of the 3, hands down for me it's market Samurai.

B345T · 12-14-2009, 08:12 PM

i choose market samurai, but i just love the simple layout like micro niche

cbean · 12-14-2009, 11:18 PM

Would love a promo code or aff link that I could purchase this for less than the $149 I am seeing...

BrentHodgson · 12-15-2009, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbean

Would love a promo code or aff link that I could purchase this for less than the $149 I am seeing...

If you haven't already, sign up for a trial - new trial users are getting cookied with a $97 offer right now.

TommyBoy · 12-15-2009, 03:43 PM

I am looking at Market Samurai but so far I like the simplicity of Micro Niche Finder. It is very useful for finding low competition keyword domains for site building. In particular, I like the SOC (Strength Of Competition) and MOB (Measure Of Backlinks) features. This is really useful for Amazon product sites. For example using MNF I was able to find a few excellent niches in the automotive parts section of Amazon and have made quite a few sales this last month alone.

Tsarina · 12-16-2009, 04:01 PM

If you need code for MS just register for 30 day chalange and they alwase have promotions and 40 day trails there

minted1 · 12-17-2009, 08:52 PM

i would say that they each have thier place in a well thought out keyword brainstorming session. but i would not favour ANY of the search results over the other they all need further invetigation to get the correct or acurate data on search volume that you are looking for... hope this helps

Tony Marriott · 12-19-2009, 11:51 AM

MS is a stunning tool and as in an earlier comment you should go to MS and make sure you go through all the training videos as the thing does a huge amount of jobs.
The one thing I would like it to do is to give a 'difficulty rating' when comparing top ten websites for a given keyword. There is a lot of info to decipher.

Traffic Travis (yae I know - not one of your requested comparisons!) has 5 star rating system that gives you a kinda 'go - no go' for attacking the niche keyword. So I always go over to Traffic Travis to do this as a final check before deciding on a niche.

JainJain · 12-23-2009, 07:37 PM

I too am very happy with the ease of use with MNF. I find MS to be a bit too involved.

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acro Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Hello Folks; I have used MNF for 1 1/2 years and found it is great on the initial niche availability. I take the results from MNF and plug into MS for more detail. You have to be a little more astute to use MS. Both programs can run on multiple computers. I am currently looking at KE2. My initial impressions are the processing times are a little long . It appears it can only run on one computer. That being said Brad has added KE University which goes into detail on how to use in video format KE2. The case study from start to finish is great. Wayne

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rmoore HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 271 Thanks: 35 Thanked 182 Times in 93 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I use Market Samurai to research keyword competition for every post, article, or satellite blog I want to create. You just can't go wrong with this tool.

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G Singh Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 915 Thanks: 157 Thanked 78 Times in 66 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Here's my take on the three. Market Samurai although good doesn't really find those long tail keywords as well as KE2 and MNF. For keyword research I'm personally finding MNF a lot easier to use, and it's finding me some real gems. But saying this I would still keep KE2. The reason why is that you can double check competiton strength, and by quickly inputting a certain keyword in to KE2 you can look more closely at the competition, i.e backlinks, PR etc. Personally, i think if you can get both then do so because they compliment each other.

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mrdomains HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 436 Thanks: 104 Thanked 82 Times in 67 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I like market samurai because of the interface. pretty accurate rersults too on comp etc

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GeorgR. Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 5,934 Blog Entries: 15 Thanks: 72 Thanked 866 Times in 574 Posts Social Networking	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I need to say that any of those are very different, so its very difficult to compare. KE II (imho) has its priority on adwords, and it has all those additional modules which might be helpful. MS is very powerful, but its a little weak when it comes to brainstorming and finding long tails. And with MNF i never got over the fact that it doesnt automatically fetch competition or OCI. My favorite atm is MS. I agree with a poster above, the SEOC is (IMHO) the most important factor and just looking at search volume and SEOC can be incredible profitable in terms of rankings. I dont care for CPC anymore, neither do i do a lot with adsense, so i personally dont have a use for any of the other tools which are more adwords focused with CPC values etc. MS is very good for my uses - but i personally would like some features. For example, i dream about a KW tool where you can enter a custom formula for a KEI, a formula which would also weigh PR. There are some hyper-interesting articles online about calculating a KEI. Example...it is a difference whether i try to rank a phrase for my own, new site - or on ezine articles. On my own site i might never be able to rank for "insurance" - but using a ezine article it MIGHT be worth a try. Such factors need to be taken into account - SEO/ranking is NOT always the same. That being said..i think i might post this on the MS forum.
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tresfavian HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Taos, NM Posts: 184 Thanks: 27 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I'm using MS for now but I have noticed some inaccuracy in AWA - Adwords Advertisers. I do realize there are a number of Ggl search engine data centers that make up some of these discrepancies, however, I have checked over and over and think this column is unreliable. It will say zero advertisers for a keyword- go to Ggl search and I see like 8 advertisers, sometimes another amount. Unless I'm doing s.t. wrong, I always check this data for sure, which defeats some of the purpose of making quick decisions. It makes me think if this column data is unreliable, what other data is?

11-29-2009, 02:35 AM	#219
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,938 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 395 Times in 294 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Actually, in the most recent program update AWA has been removed
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11-29-2009, 02:58 AM	#220
Mark Francis Internet Millionaire War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Malaysia Posts: 232 Thanks: 62 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! of course micro niche finder!

12-03-2009, 02:31 PM	#221
dseisner Peaceful Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 545 Thanks: 40 Thanked 160 Times in 81 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I tried out Market Samurai, loved it, bought it. Works natively on Mac which is so important for me. No recurring monthly. SEO competition analysis is just amazing. My only complaints are that it takes up a lot of memory and the keyword research is not the best. I think Keyword Elite might be better for long tail. Samurai doesn't find those long tails that amazing. Some of the stats are clearly off and it's not great for PPC. But when it comes to SEO, Samurai is the best. Can't speak to MNF, but it doesn't work natively on mac, neither does KE. Parallels drains my system so it's not efficient. Just my 2 cents...
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12-04-2009, 07:15 AM	#222
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,938 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 395 Times in 294 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! The best tool is the one that you can work fastest with and solves YOUR particular needs. Consider that if you don't understand the reason and method behind proper niche and keyword research, the "best" tool is useless. There was a huge debate when Bruce Lee unveiled JKD. All this talk over which style was best. When in fact the main point was survival. That was the point, the root. The styles were like different branches on a tree. Pick one, master it and you'd be fine. Same thing here. When you understand how to pick a niche, find profitable keywords, you can use ANY tool. It comes down to what tool fits best into your work flow. I've used KE2 and seen MNF and have MS. And for me, MS does the trick. It is pointless to argue over tools. We're all trying to get to the same place, and we all use different techniques. The result is the same.
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12-06-2009, 08:19 AM	#223
Rozaidi Rozaidi Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Malaysia Posts: 87 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Market Samurai is getting more popular compared to others.
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12-06-2009, 05:43 PM	#224
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,938 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 395 Times in 294 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! If you mean the keyword research module, it is free once the trial period is over and it is free forever. If you're talking about the full program there is no way to get it free and to even ask such a thing disrespects not only the creators of Market Samurai but those of us that have paid for it and use it. So... What are you asking?
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12-06-2009, 10:18 PM	#225
Johncpu Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Calif Posts: 36 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I think most people who've used MS would agree that it has the broadest feature set in KW research of any KW tool. But Im concerned this will eventually become its' weakness. What MS has in breadth, it lacks in depth. It'ss already a memory hog and in some functions, it is very slow. The MS folks seem to want to add more modules without enhancing existing ones. For example, it was silly to add 'Finding Content' and 'Publish Content" modules. These are only peripherally relates to SEO and KW research, and should be a separate tool. Making MS so big, with so many different functions, only prevents them from adding more power to existing modules. I'd like to see more power in the ability to find good long tails rather than simply having new applications.

12-07-2009, 05:21 PM	#227
JoeHughes Joe Hughes War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 74 Thanks: 2 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! If you want to be succesful with internet marketing get MS, it is an incredible tool. However if you don't want to spend the cash you can always try traffic travis which is a poor man's copycat, but is still very useful.

12-07-2009, 08:19 PM	#228
howtoagedeer Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pa Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I have market samurai and I love it for my niche sites. I love the keyword tool and to be able to see the the seo competition stats. I like this software and use it alot.
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12-10-2009, 09:02 AM	#230
trishworks4u Floating Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 483 Thanks: 45 Thanked 85 Times in 71 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I own both MS and MNF and am using both on a daily basis for kw and niche research. there is a wso with some great niche research videos on using just these tools (sorry - not more helpful w/ the link). anyway - MNF gets me kicked out of google everytime I use it so I had purchase a proxy service. It doesn't have proxy functions. Otherwise, I absolutely love it. MS - is a little better at finding the long-tail kw's and doing some broader searches. And, of course, has all of the other bells and whistles already mentioned. I had the KE2 trial and it was fine but prefer to stick with the above 2.
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12-10-2009, 11:09 AM	#231
mariahm Mariahs-SEO-Blaster.com War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: canada Posts: 125 Thanks: 19 Thanked 33 Times in 28 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I've been usiing micro niche finder for awhile now,and it just keeps getting better and better. Each update adds something else that just increases how well it works.
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12-10-2009, 12:51 PM	#232
Patricia1 Patricia War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Usk, a small town is South Wales in the UK Posts: 78 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I've only ever used Micro Niche Finder and have been very satisfied. Must say though that I'm impressed by the very positive feedback for Market Samurai.

12-10-2009, 02:20 PM	#233
Maximillion_Z HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 142 Thanks: 147 Thanked 167 Times in 20 Posts Social Networking	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Love MNF, even happier with the fact that he keeps updating it...

12-10-2009, 02:23 PM	#234
101millionAds Annette War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 397 Thanks: 52 Thanked 39 Times in 30 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I will have to recommend Keyword Elite. Annette.
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12-10-2009, 08:23 PM	#235
robertc Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! i use MNF, you can install in 2 computers.
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12-11-2009, 12:25 PM	#236
margotoliver Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Franklin,TN Posts: 57 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 11 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Market Samurai is a great piece of software, you get a free trial, so have a look at it and find those keywords and use them.

12-12-2009, 12:59 PM	#237
Johncpu Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Calif Posts: 36 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Brent - thanks for responding. I appreciate the comments, and let me respond with my own: Regarding enhancements - I don't recall any big performance improvements. Seems that most updates have been bug fixes(not a bad thing !). In fact the recent loss of the AWA column was disappointing, but I understand that was a google issue and not an MS fault. Regarding long-tail KW - I spend a lot of time manually adding phrase variations like singular to plural forms, changing phrases etc, that MS should be doing for me. Hopefully this function can be strengthened. I don’t want this post to sound negative. MS is a great tool. I just hope that improvements are made in existing features rather than simply adding modules. I've tried to post critiques and challenges on the MS blog, but they never get published (not surprisingly), So I'll add a couple suggestions/requests here. 1) MS needs a faster engine. The analysis speed is fine, but I can watch the second hand on my watch when I do things like move between KW tabs or pull up an existing KW file. The slowness is painful. 2) You must add more ability to manipulate the data. Simple things like combining KW tabs, or moving phrases between tabs would be a start. The only way to do that now is to dump it into a spreadsheet. But there are several steps that MS could do before that last dump. 3) Get rid of OCI. This just slows down the tool, and is a completely inaccurate and bogus measurement. And for MNF users, sorry, but this is true for your tool too. If the MS or MNF folks decide to discuss where this comes from and how it is calculated, I think most will agree with me on that. Again, MS is an excellent tool. And despite the critique, I'd recommend it to anyone. John

12-12-2009, 11:33 PM	#238
Candace37 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 32 Thanked 41 Times in 36 Posts Social Networking	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! The winner, after buying and using 7 KW tools for my businesses, is Micro Niche Finder, hands down. Not only does it kick out quick results, but it shows you lists of affiliate products that go with each long-tail keyword; lists articles that use the KW terms, suggests keywords, brainstorms keywords, and much more. What is also a tremendous help for me in my business is that I can sit employees in front of the computer, and teach them how to pull stable and meaningful results out of the tool within five minutes. Not many KW tools are that easy to learn, easy to teach, easy to use, AND keep my customers always coming back to me for repeat business. Why? They get click-throughs based on the keywords generated by MNF, and people buy their products. It's like Travis Sego would say, "Find a hungry crowd and give 'em what they want." When I use MNF I get the results fast, and the counts and green light guarantee that my clients are going to make money off the articles I write for them. Period. I also like the fact that new enhancements are continually being added, and I don't have to pay a yearly upgrade fee.
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12-13-2009, 09:10 AM	#239
bishwajeet Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I use Market Samurai, never used the other 2. But i can say in all honesty that MS its a great piece of software
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12-14-2009, 02:36 PM	#241
allar Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I have KE2 and Market Samurai. I use both but I like Market Samurai the best and use it most. If I had to choose, it`s MS.

12-14-2009, 08:12 PM	#243
B345T Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! i choose market samurai, but i just love the simple layout like micro niche

12-14-2009, 11:18 PM	#244
cbean Artist 'N IM War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Caribbean Posts: 182 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Would love a promo code or aff link that I could purchase this for less than the $149 I am seeing...

12-15-2009, 03:43 PM	#246
TommyBoy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 122 Thanks: 6 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I am looking at Market Samurai but so far I like the simplicity of Micro Niche Finder. It is very useful for finding low competition keyword domains for site building. In particular, I like the SOC (Strength Of Competition) and MOB (Measure Of Backlinks) features. This is really useful for Amazon product sites. For example using MNF I was able to find a few excellent niches in the automotive parts section of Amazon and have made quite a few sales this last month alone.
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