MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!!

AffiliateKungfu · 01-07-2010, 10:14 PM

You can bet your last dollar that Market Samurai is going to be the hottest favourite in no time at all!

theuplineteam · 01-07-2010, 10:16 PM

can someone tell me how i start my own thread

Arfan · 01-07-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by theuplineteam

can someone tell me how i start my own thread

I don't think newbies can until a certain post count

tresfavian · 01-08-2010, 12:16 AM

To make a new thread you must be in the first Internet marketing forum tab then pick the category in which your thread is related There are many categories to chose from. On the top left there is a button called New Thread.

nickey512 · 01-10-2010, 08:38 PM

ive been using keyword elite to search low competition keywords.its good. but i would like to try MS.

kevinemarketing · 01-12-2010, 09:55 AM

I've used Micro Niche Finder and found that it's a great product. I haven't tried Market samurai or Keyword Elite, but it sounds like I'll need to try Market Samurai.

Raygun · 01-12-2010, 12:41 PM

I have been using Market Samurai for about 3 months now and it seems to be a great tool I also use Adwords External as it seems to give some nice keywords too.

CanuckWarrior · 01-13-2010, 09:17 AM

I don't own KE so I can't offer any opinion on that product. But as for a MNF and MS comparison, I own and use both.

To me, it's not as easy as saying one is better than the other because it would be like comparing a spanner wrench to a socket wrench. Both are wrenches, both work great for tightening and loosening things, but neither does all jobs. Perhaps not the best analogy so I'll try to elaborate.

MNF works best (in my opinion) in the initial phase of keyword research; the brainstorming, finding new niches, etc. It really helps me in the creative phase of the keyword finding process and quickly zeroing in on a viable market.

Once I've identified the market and some great keywords, I then transfer my MNF findings over to MS for confirmation and further analysis.

If I had to choose only one, right now I couldn't do it because MNF is ideal for my phase 1 research and MS is ideal for my phase 2.

However, if someone is a complete newbie, MS may be the better choice solely because of their exceptional training videos. Both are great products, but I find the MNF training resources are somewhat sparse and scattered and certainly not laid out in an A to Z format like the training in the MS dojo.

Justin Lewis · 01-13-2010, 10:07 AM

I have been marketing online for a while now and I have only really tried a few of the keyword research tools.

My favorite would have to Market Samurai but that comes with a pretty steep cost. If you're looking for a cheaper way out, i'd say Niche Research Commando cause its only like 27$.

But again, overall the Market Samurai is probably one of the best products out there when it comes to keyword research. And if you have the money, it's well worth it.

warfore · 01-13-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior

I don't own KE so I can't offer any opinion on that product. But as for a MNF and MS comparison, I own and use both.

To me, it's not as easy as saying one is better than the other because it would be like comparing a spanner wrench to a socket wrench. Both are wrenches, both work great for tightening and loosening things, but neither does all jobs. Perhaps not the best analogy so I'll try to elaborate.

MNF works best (in my opinion) in the initial phase of keyword research; the brainstorming, finding new niches, etc. It really helps me in the creative phase of the keyword finding process and quickly zeroing in on a viable market.

Once I've identified the market and some great keywords, I then transfer my MNF findings over to MS for confirmation and further analysis.

If I had to choose only one, right now I couldn't do it because MNF is ideal for my phase 1 research and MS is ideal for my phase 2.

However, if someone is a complete newbie, MS may be the better choice solely because of their exceptional training videos. Both are great products, but I find the MNF training resources are somewhat sparse and scattered and certainly not laid out in an A to Z format like the training in the MS dojo.

Agree. I use the same approach. I also use the free version of Traffic Travis to quickly find the top 20 sites for a given key word phrase so that I can assess whether the top sites are strong authority sites. Just a little more insight..

CanuckWarrior · 01-13-2010, 03:45 PM

That's a good tip Tony. I sort of wrote Traffic Travis off because a lot of the volume and search results seemed to be in la-la land when I tried it.

Didn't think to use it for checking authority competition (I've been using SOC in MNF).

bjallen · 01-14-2010, 03:10 PM

This is a great thread and it addresses the exact question I came here to ask. Thanks Warriors!

Here is a question for you. I am using both MNF and MS to do my keyword analysis for a new niche I am planning to target, and I am getting different results in each tool. For some phrases, MNF is giving me the green light, but when I analyze those same phrases in MS, there are red boxes all over the place - tons of competing sites with lots and lots of backlinks. Who do I believe in this case?

Thanks!
BJ

CanuckWarrior · 01-14-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bjallen

This is a great thread and it addresses the exact question I came here to ask. Thanks Warriors!

Here is a question for you. I am using both MNF and MS to do my keyword analysis for a new niche I am planning to target, and I am getting different results in each tool. For some phrases, MNF is giving me the green light, but when I analyze those same phrases in MS, there are red boxes all over the place - tons of competing sites with lots and lots of backlinks. Who do I believe in this case?

Thanks!
BJ

I haven't had that happen very often but a few times I have seen the following:

Suppose you're getting an SOC of 40 in MNF for your keyword and then you check MS and find those 40 competing sites are all targeted, relevant sites with good backlinks, move on. But first double check manually by visiting the sites to see if they're just spam sites that will eventually get axed by Google anyway. If they are quality sites, unless you have the exact match .com for that keyword you'll need to put in a ton of effort to overtake them (if you even can).

But it also depends on your long term strategy. If you're building an authority site, go for it, it's another niche relevant page for your site.

Hope that helps. It's not always a black and white situation.

dadhere · 01-14-2010, 07:13 PM

I use MNF to get some competition info but back it up with Market Samurai. I lucked out and bought them both at the opening day prices so I saved a bundle!

cypherslock · 01-15-2010, 08:17 AM

I just wish that MNF had a trial so I could give it a go.

CanuckWarrior · 01-15-2010, 08:32 AM

BJ,

Forgot to say in my last post to you (#266), try Tony's tip (#263) and see what the free version of Traffic Travis tells you regarding competition. Haven't tried it myself yet, so I'd be interested to hear what you find.

Just make sure you use a spam email address for the Traffic Travis trial or your inbox will be bursting at the seams with "thousands in bonus" pitches for guru launches of the day.

bjallen · 01-15-2010, 08:47 AM

Canuck Warrior,

Thanks for your valuable input on this. From your statement:

"Suppose you're getting an SOC of 40 in MNF for your keyword and then you check MS and find those 40 competing sites are all targeted, relevant sites with good backlinks, move on. But first double check manually by visiting the sites to see if they're just spam sites that will eventually get axed by Google anyway. "

It sounds to me like the SOC is really just a quantity, not a quality evaluation of the competition. At least MS gives you more info on backlinks, on-page factors, etc. to help evaluate the competition.

This is all good stuff to know. I am learning the strengths and the weaknesses of these tools, and it will help me in my research. I guess there is really no one magical tool that evaluates all the factors and gives you a go/no go decision on a keyword phrase.

I will take you advice and see what I find in Traffic Travis. I need more stuff to confuse me right now. ;^)

Thanks so much for your help!!!
BJ

CanuckWarrior · 01-15-2010, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjallen

It sounds to me like the SOC is really just a quantity, not a quality evaluation of the competition. At least MS gives you more info on backlinks, on-page factors, etc. to help evaluate the competition.

This is all good stuff to know. I am learning the strengths and the weaknesses of these tools, and it will help me in my research. I guess there is really no one magical tool that evaluates all the factors and gives you a go/no go decision on a keyword phrase.

I will take you advice and see what I find in Traffic Travis. I need more stuff to confuse me right now. ;^)

Thanks so much for your help!!!
BJ

You're welcome BJ.

Btw, SOC is more than just a count, if you click on the number generated you'll find that number contains 3 factors: inanchor count, intitle count and inurl count which are certainly important for SEO. So it's still a very credible number, don't dismiss it.

MS just gives other helpful measure like Phrase to broad match ratio, etc.

So you're right, no one tool seems to do it all. I find MNF and MS work better together than on their own. I'm going to try out Tony's tip next time a conflict between the two arises, but don't get too bogged down in the analysis. You can get great results using either MNF or MS, so you don't absolutely need both to get started. In fact, you can get started with free tools, it just takes more time.

I think it's better to have imperfect keyword results with more sites/pages built than it is to spend all your time looking for the magic unicorn keyword and have no sites/pages built.

Once you start tracking your traffic, you'll find keywords people used that neither tool identified anyway. :-)

Johncpu · 01-15-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior

You're welcome BJ.

Btw, SOC is more than just a count, if you click on the number generated you'll find that number contains 3 factors: inanchor count, intitle count and inurl count which are certainly important for SEO.

To me, this is one of the downsaides of MNF. The SOC seems to be simply a go/no go indicator. But I have no idea how that recommendation is made. MS gives much more information about the competition, and actually shows me the info so I can evaluate the data myself.

And as someone else pointed out, MNF has no free trial. But MS gives you a great KW tool for free, no time limit. Then if you want info about the competition etc, you can choose to buy.

john

Mary Greene · 01-16-2010, 12:38 PM

Hello!

I own Market Samurai and Micro Niche Finder.

Micro Niche Finder offers a wonderful one-page display with easy red, yellow, and green indicators to summarize the keyword potential. Also, its creator, marketer James Jones, is generous, helpful and talented. The upgrades come frequently, and the Help Desk works very well. You'll never have buyer's remorse because of his efforts.

The one major drawback of Micro Niche FInder is it doesn't run off a proxy (or whatever I'm supposed to call it). That means that Google will block searches after way too short a period. Research is slow as a result, although James tries to fix the problem by allowing background search options.

Market Samurai offers a complete array of solid keyword bells and whistles plus wonderful new training videos. Ed Dale and his crew offer excellent support and upgrades. Market Samurai flies because of the upgrades, and it doesn't quit because it runs on a proxy.

Often the OCI competitive indicator is slow or quits in both of these programs. It wasn't built to withstand the onslaught of keyword searching that goes on daily. Maybe it doesn't matter: Adwords costs are probably a better competitive indicator anyway.

I'm happy to own them both plus others dedicated to specialized searches. Good luck!

kwality · 01-16-2010, 06:49 PM

Market samurai kicks keyword elites ass !! Keyword elit takes too long and locks up. Market samurai has better instructional videos as well plus better product updates.

loginname · 01-22-2010, 05:19 AM

I used MS for keyword research. I found a good keyword, having only 30.000 competive sites. I set up the wordpress site.... but when I search in google I realize that the result is more than 30.000 pages, it's 3.000.000 pages. So getting to pos 1 in google wasn't that easy as I hoped for based on the MS data

Having said that, the numbers from MS might be based on a serach with quotes "".

ztws · 01-22-2010, 09:14 AM

I used MNF until MS and TT came out. Now, I do a lot research using the Google Keyword tool and then run potential results through MS or TT to get an idea of the competition I'm facing for top spots.

tonyaphx · 01-22-2010, 01:53 PM

I tired Keyword Elite for a free trial it was good, but I didn't buy it. After hearing a lot about ms in here I checked it out and I am using it for my free trial and I am going to buy this one for sure. If you do not have this tool get it. MS wins hands down.

Dave d · 01-22-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ztws

I used MNF until MS and TT came out. Now, I do a lot research using the Google Keyword tool and then run potential results through MS or TT to get an idea of the competition I'm facing for top spots.

I do something similar. I can see a lot of potential in MS but I keep going back to GKT as I just find it a lot quicker to get the results I need as MS hogs the PC's resources like crazy, then I check the comp in TT. TT runs nice and quietly in the background compared to MS that brings my PC to a standstill.

Dave d

cypherslock · 01-22-2010, 07:34 PM

Kind of makes me wonder what PCs some of you have. I mean mine is a 2.6 GHZ Acer, got it for around 600$ MS works great on it. And same with the HP laptop we've got. It even rocks on wifi.

Speaking of which. If you're at the public library you've probably got their open and unprotected network. If you've got a desktop at home (and are on a laptop obviously), there is a way to protect yourself: set up your own Virtual Private Network. Do a search for AnalogX Proxy and LogMeIn Hamachi. If anyone wants I'll do a quickie setup tutorial.

Once these two things are up and running, and you've made the necessary changes in Firefox or whatever, you're set and safe. You can also set MS to work with it as well.

Miss_McCoy · 01-22-2010, 08:03 PM

Thanks for this helpful post! Can someone please tell me how to "Thank" people. I'm so thankful for the information I find here!

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior

I don't own KE so I can't offer any opinion on that product. But as for a MNF and MS comparison, I own and use both.

To me, it's not as easy as saying one is better than the other because it would be like comparing a spanner wrench to a socket wrench. Both are wrenches, both work great for tightening and loosening things, but neither does all jobs. Perhaps not the best analogy so I'll try to elaborate.

MNF works best (in my opinion) in the initial phase of keyword research; the brainstorming, finding new niches, etc. It really helps me in the creative phase of the keyword finding process and quickly zeroing in on a viable market.

Once I've identified the market and some great keywords, I then transfer my MNF findings over to MS for confirmation and further analysis.

If I had to choose only one, right now I couldn't do it because MNF is ideal for my phase 1 research and MS is ideal for my phase 2.

However, if someone is a complete newbie, MS may be the better choice solely because of their exceptional training videos. Both are great products, but I find the MNF training resources are somewhat sparse and scattered and certainly not laid out in an A to Z format like the training in the MS dojo.

Zeb · 01-22-2010, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loginname

I used MS for keyword research. I found a good keyword, having only 30.000 competive sites. I set up the wordpress site.... but when I search in google I realize that the result is more than 30.000 pages, it's 3.000.000 pages. So getting to pos 1 in google wasn't that easy as I hoped for based on the MS data

Having said that, the numbers from MS might be based on a serach with quotes "".

Yes, most of us base our keyword research results in "quotes". Looking for a <30k search results without quotes is almost impossible these days. There are some but hard diamonds to find.

Looking at the pr or sites at the front page of google is also a good way to spot a good keyword. Among other things, but these are quite enough to base my research on.

Zeb · 01-22-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cypherslock

Kind of makes me wonder what PCs some of you have. I mean mine is a 2.6 GHZ Acer, got it for around 600$ MS works great on it. And same with the HP laptop we've got. It even rocks on wifi.

Speaking of which. If you're at the public library you've probably got their open and unprotected network. If you've got a desktop at home (and are on a laptop obviously), there is a way to protect yourself: set up your own Virtual Private Network. Do a search for AnalogX Proxy and LogMeIn Hamachi. If anyone wants I'll do a quickie setup tutorial.

Once these two things are up and running, and you've made the necessary changes in Firefox or whatever, you're set and safe. You can also set MS to work with it as well.

My pc works quite well too with MS. No slow downs or anything that some are complaining about. A tip is to go and upgrade your pc ram. I have 3gb's of ram and that is good enough for MS to run fast. Though i'm still on vista but i think that 4gb will do well for win7.

Doesn't cost much ya know a ram. Go to your local pc retailer and upgrade your pc if you find it slow. Trust me. I upgraded my friends pc ram and it's lightning fast now.

Justin Lewis · 01-23-2010, 12:48 AM

Just started using Market Samurai and let me tell you this. There are soooo many features to this program that I didn't see the first time. You can even use it to help build yourself backlinks, the only problem is once this is widely used, it's going to get even tougher.

etreet · 01-23-2010, 04:24 AM

i m using MARKET SAMURAI ,it s kind of neat,powerful function is impressive..

etreet · 01-23-2010, 04:25 AM

click thanks onthe right bottom corner

GeorgR. · 01-26-2010, 08:01 AM

Market Samurai can sometimes get slow, especially if you have more tabs open. But its still not a big deal. I finally also had a chance to re-install Micro Niche Finder so i can enjoy the latest version of it. I wrote on several occasion that i think using both tools is a good idea. MNF is very good at finding long tail keywords. I simply use both tools now for my keyword research.

GeorgR. · 01-26-2010, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johncpu

To me, this is one of the downsaides of MNF. The SOC seems to be simply a go/no go indicator. But I have no idea how that recommendation is made. MS gives much more information about the competition, and actually shows me the info so I can evaluate the data myself.

And as someone else pointed out, MNF has no free trial. But MS gives you a great KW tool for free, no time limit. Then if you want info about the competition etc, you can choose to buy.

john

believe me, you dont want to rank against 10 15 year old PR6+ sites in Google. That SEO competition module is a must

nickey512 · 01-27-2010, 10:41 AM

did anyone have any experience on 'Buying Keyword Generator'? is it the same as market samurai? or another different game for IM Tool.

CourtneyHow · 01-27-2010, 10:57 AM

I love Market Samurai. I have not used Keyword Elite so I can't comment there. I have used Micro Niche Finder, but overall Market Samurai is great. Whenever I do instructable videos with Noble Samurai I find out that MS has so many "hidden" features. Really great software!

JonPorter · 02-06-2010, 07:25 PM

Thanks, all, for the helpful comments. I have the pro version of Traffic Travis and really like the green check/red X chart for top 10/top20 sites. I am considering MS. Is it ever offered at a discount?

cypherslock · 02-06-2010, 09:41 PM

Jon, if you get the trial and upgrade to full within 7 days, you will get a discount from 149 to $97. I got it at 87 but believe it was because I ordered as part of the 30 Day Challenge. Definitely worth it!

ronitdeep · 02-07-2010, 12:35 AM

Using market samurai & found it extremely useful.
Never used rest.

cringwall · 02-07-2010, 03:20 PM

I'm a big fan of James' MNF. I used to use it in tandem with Jon Ledger's Web Comp Analyst - but since James added the backlink count function - I'm just using MNF. If you are doing small niche sites or article marketing, MNF is all you really need.

neodarth · 02-07-2010, 09:18 PM

I have tested many research tools, Keyword Elite, Micro Niche Finder, Market Samurai and Niche Browser. The last two are the ones that gives me the better results, and latetly I switch between Market Samurai and Niche Browser.

JonPorter · 02-07-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cypherslock

Jon, if you get the trial and upgrade to full within 7 days, you will get a discount from 149 to $97. I got it at 87 but believe it was because I ordered as part of the 30 Day Challenge. Definitely worth it!

Erik, thanks for the discount info. I'll give it a try. If I can get MS for $97, count me in. I appreciate the tip.

Gavan · 02-08-2010, 10:04 PM

I still use Keyword Elite 1. Works for me...

sharp · 02-12-2010, 03:26 PM

Traffic Travis and MS here. I'm with the 'firearm at knife fight' post. ANY of these tools will be great. Some people like the simplicity of MNF... I don't.

If you get MS, remember to sign up for the 12 day trail and buy via the discounted link they email you.

Try out Traffic Travis (Mark Ling is really quite cool... I hope he says awesome despite picking up 'Guru' status. He is amazingly helpful and humble. Good guy... I don't know anything about IM so I just met him one day not knowing who he was until much later and had totally though 'This guy is quality'. It made buying his stuff pretty easy. : )

richieu · 02-12-2010, 07:20 PM

MS is great, but personally for me I prefer MNF and it runs fine on my Mac through Parallels..

MNF version 5 imminent and I'm really looking forward to seeing what James comes up with next!

ATB
Rich

SunnySahu · 02-13-2010, 03:33 AM

I've got both, MNF as well as MS !

I personally like MS because it offers far, far more than what MNF does. Although MNF's interface is a little bit simple-er, I find MS to be better overall.

Just my $0.02.

richarr · 02-13-2010, 04:46 AM

Im not able to reach at MS site. Whenever I try to open marketsamurai[dot]com, it always redirects me to anonym[dot]to

is the MS site hacked?

azland55 · 02-13-2010, 04:59 AM

I have got M S and have so right from the start. The funny thing about it is that I still finding new features that I have not tried out yet.

I must one of these days go right through it to find every way you can use it as I am sure it would help with my keyword research

pearsonbrown · 02-13-2010, 06:22 AM

Niche Marketing Product - Market Samurai is working fine

jasni · 02-13-2010, 07:06 AM

Market Samurai is the last tool I will ever use for keyword research, back linking, and finding content. When I first tried Market Samurai I had tested out the unfinished beta version, and even then I was so amazed at how easy it made keyword research for me. Then after it was finished all the features that were added to my Market Samurai arsenal truly makes Market Samurai the best market research tool I have ever tried, and trust me I have tried many. Being as lazy as I am I always seem spend money on tools that claim they will make keyword research easier. In my opinion Market Samurai definitely over delivered.

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01-07-2010, 10:14 PM	#251
AffiliateKungfu Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 87 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! You can bet your last dollar that *Market Samurai* is going to be the hottest favourite in no time at all!

01-07-2010, 10:16 PM	#252
theuplineteam theuplineteam Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: canada Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! can someone tell me how i start my own thread

01-08-2010, 12:16 AM	#254
tresfavian HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Taos, NM Posts: 189 Thanks: 27 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! To make a new thread you must be in the first Internet marketing forum tab then pick the category in which your thread is related There are many categories to chose from. On the top left there is a button called New Thread.
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01-10-2010, 08:38 PM	#255
nickey512 Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 61 Thanks: 15 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! ive been using keyword elite to search low competition keywords.its good. but i would like to try MS.

01-12-2010, 09:55 AM	#256
kevinemarketing Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I've used Micro Niche Finder and found that it's a great product. I haven't tried Market samurai or Keyword Elite, but it sounds like I'll need to try Market Samurai.

01-12-2010, 12:41 PM	#257
Raygun 24 Drops of Water War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 601 Thanks: 62 Thanked 90 Times in 71 Posts Social Networking	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I have been using Market Samurai for about 3 months now and it seems to be a great tool I also use Adwords External as it seems to give some nice keywords too.

01-13-2010, 09:17 AM	#258
CanuckWarrior with anti BS super powers Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 182 Thanks: 16 Thanked 98 Times in 41 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I don't own KE so I can't offer any opinion on that product. But as for a MNF and MS comparison, I own and use both. To me, it's not as easy as saying one is better than the other because it would be like comparing a spanner wrench to a socket wrench. Both are wrenches, both work great for tightening and loosening things, but neither does all jobs. Perhaps not the best analogy so I'll try to elaborate. MNF works best (in my opinion) in the initial phase of keyword research; the brainstorming, finding new niches, etc. It really helps me in the creative phase of the keyword finding process and quickly zeroing in on a viable market. Once I've identified the market and some great keywords, I then transfer my MNF findings over to MS for confirmation and further analysis. If I had to choose only one, right now I couldn't do it because MNF is ideal for my phase 1 research and MS is ideal for my phase 2. However, if someone is a complete newbie, MS may be the better choice solely because of their exceptional training videos. Both are great products, but I find the MNF training resources are somewhat sparse and scattered and certainly not laid out in an A to Z format like the training in the MS dojo.

01-13-2010, 10:07 AM	#259
Justin Lewis 132+ Websites, 80k+ Fans War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 957 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 102 Thanked 441 Times in 214 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I have been marketing online for a while now and I have only really tried a few of the keyword research tools. My favorite would have to Market Samurai but that comes with a pretty steep cost. If you're looking for a cheaper way out, i'd say Niche Research Commando cause its only like 27$. But again, overall the Market Samurai is probably one of the best products out there when it comes to keyword research. And if you have the money, it's well worth it.

01-13-2010, 03:45 PM	#261
CanuckWarrior with anti BS super powers Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 182 Thanks: 16 Thanked 98 Times in 41 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! That's a good tip Tony. I sort of wrote Traffic Travis off because a lot of the volume and search results seemed to be in la-la land when I tried it. Didn't think to use it for checking authority competition (I've been using SOC in MNF).

01-14-2010, 03:10 PM	#262
bjallen HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland, and sometimes West VA , . Posts: 240 Thanks: 58 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! This is a great thread and it addresses the exact question I came here to ask. Thanks Warriors! Here is a question for you. I am using both MNF and MS to do my keyword analysis for a new niche I am planning to target, and I am getting different results in each tool. For some phrases, MNF is giving me the green light, but when I analyze those same phrases in MS, there are red boxes all over the place - tons of competing sites with lots and lots of backlinks. Who do I believe in this case? Thanks! BJ

01-14-2010, 07:13 PM	#264
dadhere Rick Macaulay War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada. Posts: 774 Thanks: 99 Thanked 392 Times in 353 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I use MNF to get some competition info but back it up with Market Samurai. I lucked out and bought them both at the opening day prices so I saved a bundle!

01-15-2010, 08:17 AM	#265
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,940 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 397 Times in 295 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I just wish that MNF had a trial so I could give it a go.

01-15-2010, 08:32 AM	#266
CanuckWarrior with anti BS super powers Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 182 Thanks: 16 Thanked 98 Times in 41 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! BJ, Forgot to say in my last post to you (#266), try Tony's tip (#263) and see what the free version of Traffic Travis tells you regarding competition. Haven't tried it myself yet, so I'd be interested to hear what you find. Just make sure you use a spam email address for the Traffic Travis trial or your inbox will be bursting at the seams with "thousands in bonus" pitches for guru launches of the day.

01-15-2010, 08:47 AM	#267
bjallen HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland, and sometimes West VA , . Posts: 240 Thanks: 58 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Canuck Warrior, Thanks for your valuable input on this. From your statement: "Suppose you're getting an SOC of 40 in MNF for your keyword and then you check MS and find those 40 competing sites are all targeted, relevant sites with good backlinks, move on. But first double check manually by visiting the sites to see if they're just spam sites that will eventually get axed by Google anyway. " It sounds to me like the SOC is really just a quantity, not a quality evaluation of the competition. At least MS gives you more info on backlinks, on-page factors, etc. to help evaluate the competition. This is all good stuff to know. I am learning the strengths and the weaknesses of these tools, and it will help me in my research. I guess there is really no one magical tool that evaluates all the factors and gives you a go/no go decision on a keyword phrase. I will take you advice and see what I find in Traffic Travis. I need more stuff to confuse me right now. ;^) Thanks so much for your help!!! BJ

01-16-2010, 12:38 PM	#270
Mary Greene HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Maryland, USA. Posts: 399 Thanks: 104 Thanked 170 Times in 113 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Hello! I own Market Samurai and Micro Niche Finder. Micro Niche Finder offers a wonderful one-page display with easy red, yellow, and green indicators to summarize the keyword potential. Also, its creator, marketer James Jones, is generous, helpful and talented. The upgrades come frequently, and the Help Desk works very well. You'll never have buyer's remorse because of his efforts. The one major drawback of Micro Niche FInder is it doesn't run off a proxy (or whatever I'm supposed to call it). That means that Google will block searches after way too short a period. Research is slow as a result, although James tries to fix the problem by allowing background search options. Market Samurai offers a complete array of solid keyword bells and whistles plus wonderful new training videos. Ed Dale and his crew offer excellent support and upgrades. Market Samurai flies because of the upgrades, and it doesn't quit because it runs on a proxy. Often the OCI competitive indicator is slow or quits in both of these programs. It wasn't built to withstand the onslaught of keyword searching that goes on daily. Maybe it doesn't matter: Adwords costs are probably a better competitive indicator anyway. I'm happy to own them both plus others dedicated to specialized searches. Good luck!

01-16-2010, 06:49 PM	#271
kwality Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 55 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Market samurai kicks keyword elites ass !! Keyword elit takes too long and locks up. Market samurai has better instructional videos as well plus better product updates.

01-22-2010, 05:19 AM	#272
loginname HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I used MS for keyword research. I found a good keyword, having only 30.000 competive sites. I set up the wordpress site.... but when I search in google I realize that the result is more than 30.000 pages, it's 3.000.000 pages. So getting to pos 1 in google wasn't that easy as I hoped for based on the MS data Having said that, the numbers from MS might be based on a serach with quotes "".

01-22-2010, 09:14 AM	#273
ztws Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 50 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I used MNF until MS and TT came out. Now, I do a lot research using the Google Keyword tool and then run potential results through MS or TT to get an idea of the competition I'm facing for top spots.

01-22-2010, 01:53 PM	#274
tonyaphx HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 110 Thanks: 20 Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I tired Keyword Elite for a free trial it was good, but I didn't buy it. After hearing a lot about ms in here I checked it out and I am using it for my free trial and I am going to buy this one for sure. If you do not have this tool get it. MS wins hands down.

01-22-2010, 07:34 PM	#276
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,940 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 397 Times in 295 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Kind of makes me wonder what PCs some of you have. I mean mine is a 2.6 GHZ Acer, got it for around 600$ MS works great on it. And same with the HP laptop we've got. It even rocks on wifi. Speaking of which. If you're at the public library you've probably got their open and unprotected network. If you've got a desktop at home (and are on a laptop obviously), there is a way to protect yourself: set up your own Virtual Private Network. Do a search for AnalogX Proxy and LogMeIn Hamachi. If anyone wants I'll do a quickie setup tutorial. Once these two things are up and running, and you've made the necessary changes in Firefox or whatever, you're set and safe. You can also set MS to work with it as well.

01-23-2010, 12:48 AM	#280
Justin Lewis 132+ Websites, 80k+ Fans War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 957 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 102 Thanked 441 Times in 214 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Just started using Market Samurai and let me tell you this. There are soooo many features to this program that I didn't see the first time. You can even use it to help build yourself backlinks, the only problem is once this is widely used, it's going to get even tougher.

01-23-2010, 04:24 AM	#281
etreet IM Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 82 Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! i m using MARKET SAMURAI ,it s kind of neat,powerful function is impressive..

01-23-2010, 04:25 AM	#282
etreet IM Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 82 Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! click thanks onthe right bottom corner

01-26-2010, 08:01 AM	#283
GeorgR. Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 5,954 Blog Entries: 16 Thanks: 72 Thanked 873 Times in 580 Posts Social Networking	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Market Samurai can sometimes get slow, especially if you have more tabs open. But its still not a big deal. I finally also had a chance to re-install Micro Niche Finder so i can enjoy the latest version of it. I wrote on several occasion that i think using both tools is a good idea. MNF is very good at finding long tail keywords. I simply use both tools now for my keyword research.

01-27-2010, 10:41 AM	#285
nickey512 Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 61 Thanks: 15 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! did anyone have any experience on 'Buying Keyword Generator'? is it the same as market samurai? or another different game for IM Tool.

01-27-2010, 10:57 AM	#286
CourtneyHow Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 53 Thanks: 9 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I love Market Samurai. I have not used Keyword Elite so I can't comment there. I have used Micro Niche Finder, but overall Market Samurai is great. Whenever I do instructable videos with Noble Samurai I find out that MS has so many "hidden" features. Really great software!

02-06-2010, 07:25 PM	#287
JonPorter Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Thanks, all, for the helpful comments. I have the pro version of Traffic Travis and really like the green check/red X chart for top 10/top20 sites. I am considering MS. Is it ever offered at a discount?

02-06-2010, 09:41 PM	#288
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,940 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 397 Times in 295 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Jon, if you get the trial and upgrade to full within 7 days, you will get a discount from 149 to $97. I got it at 87 but believe it was because I ordered as part of the 30 Day Challenge. Definitely worth it!

02-07-2010, 12:35 AM	#289
ronitdeep HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: India Posts: 180 Thanks: 2 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Using market samurai & found it extremely useful. Never used rest.

02-07-2010, 03:20 PM	#290
cringwall Up And Comer War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philpot,KY,USA. Posts: 294 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 64 Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts Social Networking	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I'm a big fan of James' MNF. I used to use it in tandem with Jon Ledger's Web Comp Analyst - but since James added the backlink count function - I'm just using MNF. If you are doing small niche sites or article marketing, MNF is all you really need.

02-07-2010, 09:18 PM	#291
neodarth Eternal Newbie War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 418 Thanks: 91 Thanked 116 Times in 63 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I have tested many research tools, Keyword Elite, Micro Niche Finder, Market Samurai and Niche Browser. The last two are the ones that gives me the better results, and latetly I switch between Market Samurai and Niche Browser.

02-08-2010, 10:04 PM	#293
Gavan HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sinaai, Belgium / Trujillo, Peru Posts: 125 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I still use Keyword Elite 1. Works for me...

02-12-2010, 03:26 PM	#294
sharp Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 91 Thanks: 116 Thanked 28 Times in 13 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! Traffic Travis and MS here. I'm with the 'firearm at knife fight' post. ANY of these tools will be great. Some people like the simplicity of MNF... I don't. If you get MS, remember to sign up for the 12 day trail and buy via the discounted link they email you. Try out Traffic Travis (Mark Ling is really quite cool... I hope he says awesome despite picking up 'Guru' status. He is amazingly helpful and humble. Good guy... I don't know anything about IM so I just met him one day not knowing who he was until much later and had totally though 'This guy is quality'. It made buying his stuff pretty easy. : )

02-12-2010, 07:20 PM	#295
richieu Mad Hobbit War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 25 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! MS is great, but personally for me I prefer MNF and it runs fine on my Mac through Parallels.. MNF version 5 imminent and I'm really looking forward to seeing what James comes up with next! ATB Rich

02-13-2010, 03:33 AM	#296
SunnySahu Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: India Posts: 53 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: MARKET SAMURAI vs KEYWORD ELITE vs MICRO NICHE FINDER!!! I've got both, MNF as well as MS ! I personally like MS because it offers far, far more than what MNF does. Although MNF's interface is a little bit simple-er, I find MS to be better overall. Just my $0.02.