SimonHarrison

Or Both.. ?

Anybody got any experience with either membership sites?

Michael T.

If you are a newbie to PPC advertising I would recommend you Wealthy affiliate but PPC coach is not also a bad decision.

I am a member of wealthy affiliate for 7-8 months and they taught me a lot about PPC and BUM marketing.
Also they have a great forum for members only,some good resources and you can always ask for help there!

Regards,Michael T.

Johnson Tay

I joined both.

Both cater to DIFFERENT aspects of affiliate marketing.

If you want to dive into Pay-Per-Lead affiliate marketing, PPC Coach is great.

On the other hand, if you want to do Pay-Per-Sale type affiliate marketing, then Wealthy Affiliate would be a good choice.

SimonHarrison

Cheers, I grabbed PPC-Coach and it's more CPA based than I had figured, but still has some decent content, I'll see how it goes.

Off to grab wealth affiliate, all these things are so cheap if just learn one thing from em, it's worth it.

SimonHarrison

Ok grabbed Wealthy Affiliate as well, both offering something useful, a lot is very orientated to beginners though and this issue of being spoonfed only X amount per week, is already frustrating.

Wealthy Affiliate are running quite a clever idea in that they have their own CB based product and are directing all their members to sell it for them, nice idea, charge members for your advice, then get them to sell your products, nothing wrong with it , quite darn clever really.

Their forum drives me mad already though, instead of placing it in a /members folder they made it https so it throws up a damm error box every time you go to a new thread, and you can't hit BACK etc, I think that alone will put me off using the darn thing.

I'll keep em both running for a couple of months see if the info hots up but I would say both are certainly initially directed at new folks to IM.

Frank Ayres

I am also a member of ppc-coach and think it is a great site and the forum is brilliant, everyone is willing to help on there

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carik42

Hey Simon,

As you've already joined, and as I've been a member at WA for almost 2 years, I thought I'd reply to some of the points you've raised.

WA Clickbank products.

Kyle & Carson actually have 4 products on Clickbank, although I obviously know the more recent one you are talking about. This particular product is the result of their experience in this particular niche. They've spent the last few years earning a fortune from this desperate group of people, and now they have created a product that will demolish the competition (yes it will), but more importantly...they've provided EVERY WA member with everything they need to profit from it.

And as you probably know if you check the forums, some WA members are now earning in excess of $300 per day from this product alone, so it's very valuable information. I don't know what you would expect to pay for someone completely revealing a niche, keywords, target audiences, AND giving you landing pages for your promotions...I suspect it would cost thousands. When you think about it, this is no different to what Mr Bum Marketer Travis Sago conjured up a few months ago...he dominated a niche for well over a year, created a product about it, told his Bum army, and now it has a gravity of 250. I know you're not digging, but I thought I'd just clarify that it's another win/win situation.

Regarding the forum, it's in a secure environment for a very obvious reason, although your issue does sound unusual. Maybe drop Carson a PM and he'll put you straight. As for the lack of a back button, right click your mouse and select back

Good luck at both WA and PPCC, look forward to reading of your progress.

Cheers

SimonHarrison

I work in this niche and the copy is good but no better / worse than others at the top of it's catagory, especially those with a grav of 300+. It might just with their experience get up the rankings, demolish is pure speculation at best and raging hype at worst. They will have to beat sites such as Fat Loss 4 Idiots etc and that alone is a tall order.

Of course, why wouldnt they ? The more affiliate resources they provide , the more you sell, it's in their interests, they are a CB vendor, that's what pro CB vendors do. Vendors are not doing affiliates a favour by providing them with sales tools, that's standard practise and more serious you are the more tools you provide.

And some are losing money hand over fist as is evidenced by the forum, some have sent 300 + clicks and no sales, it swings both ways, there is sadly no miracle product in this CB catagory, you have to get your organic or PPC spot on to create a decent conversions, STF might well end up doing well butit's no magic bullet and it's not written by a big enough name to give it any specific credibility like it's similar namesake BTF, Burn the Fat.

I think you're looking at this rather strangely, IMHO, they are not revealing anything, they are Clickbank vendors who want their product to do well and who have built and supplied a number of affiliate tools including keywords lists to do so, this is completley standard , especially in this niche,.

They are not revealing the niche of a a product which isn't there's with all this detail, it's their own product, so of course they are giving you keywords lists to spend money on PPC on their behalf. Infact I personally know many vendors who have entire 50 + page guides to Adwords with all their keywords etc in them, many at the top end of the Diet / Fitness catagories have even more material that the fellas at Wealthy Aff.

Yep, as I initially said, no issue with it at all, savvy and sensible but lets not go overboard, they are not doing anybody a favour here, providing your affiliates with all the tools, including template landing pages etc is what good vendors do.

These guys have a cute script I will say however for maximising the relevency of your PPC ads to each landing page, but that's in their interests. I have no issue at all with what they are doing, it's sensible and I can see how for the less experienced it's ideal having the product your selling be "in house" so you can deal with the vendor directly.

My point was you can secure a forum in any password protected directory, I know as I have 3 Vbulletins running in /members directories with IP protected passwords, you don't need to run a forum on a https, was my point. IE hates unsecured items on https pages, it's always moaned, I'll just use Firefox with their site instead.

Re "back" I simply opened the page up in it's own window taking it out of their frame, allowing full control.

I'll be dropping in from time to time, but I have bigger fish to fry, they have some nice content and it's professionally done, I suspect it's enough to keep me paying the monthly.

I'm spending more time on PPC Coach right now as it tallies with other CPA work I'm looking at, just happens to be a better fit.

Mark-Dickenson

Hello Simon,

I was wondering if you have ever used PPC. I am not sure of your experience with internet marketing but PPC is an extremely competitive game and it can burn a whole in your pocket very quick.

If you have some money that you don't mind experimenting with, then pay my advice no mind

To kinda answer your original question, I was a member of WA way back when and to be honest, I found more useful advice here

Hope you don't mind me giving you my 2 cents. Adwords has burned holes in a lot of peoples pockets

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carik42

Youch! You try to help someone and look what happens!

If you have experience in this particular niche, and experience in marketing in general, you will completely understand how powerful the business model of this product is. Have you read the product? Have you compared the product?? You can accuse me of hyping or speculating about a product that I haven't named as much as you like, but I personally think the writing is on the wall.

Wrong. Very few vendors go as far to make the job this easy. You should already know that.

So tell me, who do you think is getting the 300 clicks with no sales? The experienced marketer, or those new to WA who are trying their luck? I know where my money is. Actually, as someone that operates in this niche you should already know that a little effort can bring you 1:15 - 1:25 with this product. You are spot on...there are no miracle products at CB, it's all down to how you market them.

See above. Experience in this niche is essential and is reflected in the overall product.

See above again. If you've had all those things laid before you in the past, in such detail, you're obviously already set!

if you read the blueprint, you will know that there's no pressure to PPC anything. The core group at WA is the "newbie", and the keyword lists are designed for the benefit of both the experienced marketer, and the novice marketer. If people decide to PPC rather than using free methods, that's down to them. If this niche, and these keywords, and this whole idea doesn't stand up as you suggest, why the 500% gravity jump in a week??


That's great and I'm really pleased that you have that info available to you. No doubt you're taking full advantage of it.


As stated previously, it's win/win.

Ok, so you're an experienced dude - Great! Not sure why someone with your experience is having such issues Simon...especially as you know the workaround.


To answer an earlier question Simon, yes I am obviously a "fan". But, I'm also a fan of the WF, so I'm offering an open invitation for you to contact me via PM if you want to discuss the points we've raised further. I REALLY do get the point that you're trying to drive home that you're an experienced marketer, but let's cut the chaff and let's keep it real, yes?

Looking forward to hearing from you Simon...and of your progress with both programs.

All the best.

SimonHarrison

Yep it's a tough game but I make a profit from PPC on all 3 of the major networks and for a number of products.

SimonHarrison

What you think or don't think is entirely academic, in God we trust, everybody else must provide data :-) You stated it was going to be the no1 product in the Diet catagory on CB which is, as I already stated gross speculation and hype.

You have no evidence to support such statements, I simply commented on such a rash statement . Your opinion seems to be somewhat emotive rather than driven by data or fact.

No wrong about it, I didn't state all vendors. IF we are to converse it needs to be based on what has actually been said, not on taking something marginally out of context for effect.

The point I am making is that you seem to think they are doing you some huge favour by providing tools to sell their product, we have a difference of perspective. Providing every tool possible, including keywords and infact in some cases entire manuals on PPC and how to use it for their product is what CB vendors in this niche do.

My point it simple, you stipulated people are making $300 per day with the product as if that was some kind of evidence of it's amazing conversion rate or how superior the affiliate tools are etc.

I simply pointed out the reverse of the situation for balance, just because some affiliates are doing $300 a day, they are the massive minority looking at the WA forums, a very small minority , the forum is full of people presumably with WA training not doing very well at all, infact losing money, I'm just bringing some balance to what seems to be rather an emotive subject to you, I certainly dont disagree in many ways.

For the record, the very best affiliates in the diet industry , especially those selling Truth About Abs, FL4I, or BTF are doing in excess of $2000 a day. some much much more,. You can make money with STF of course, like any other diet product, but there's nothing to suggest it's somehow any better than any other at this point. If it was I would already have done a solo to over 130,000 targeted people, but I have not.

I'm not sure how many diet products you have promoted or your understanding of the niche or indeed marketing CB products, but had you spent any time doing so, you would know that what the guys are providing are just normal affiliate tools, there's nothing new that has not been done a million times before and yes I am already setup and promote numerous diet products already.

Actually ,the landing page generator based on sub niches is very cute, they have gone overboard on that one, but again they are not doing you some huge favour, they are doing it to maximise sales of their product.

If they were providing all these tools for somebody elses product from the goodness of their hearts to help you promote a product they had done the keyword research on etc, now that would be incredibly impressive, this however is just a savvy CB vendor giving you decent tools to maximise their own revenue.

There's is nothing new in their tools

Overall PDF manual of the program
PPC Keywords lists
Landing pages (not even squeeze pages which would be better)
Ebook covers/images etc

Sorry it's not new, it's nicely presented but that's it. You will find the top vendors, especially in the Diet & Fitness catagory do the same.

Oh yes and by the way, I noticed that their dynamicly created hoplinks don't remove hoplink data when it reaches the pitch page which is a serious no, no, but I presume they will rectify that.

I didn't say there was. I was simply pointing out that there's nothing surprising about them giving away the keywords to the product they want you to sell. They also clearly state to only use those as a test bed and that they are not tried and tested, they are not even giving you keywords they know convert, it's just a list , this is 100% standard practise . No offence but with the external Google tool, Wordtracker and a couple of others I could whip up the same long tails in minutes, infact I have done many many times for numerous CB diet products.

To which I agreed, and already stated it's savvy and sensible, don't know how else I can put it. Again lets try and just deal with any issues of disagreement, don't know about you , but I'm quite busy.

Such issues.. lost me.


Many points we seem to agree on actually although your're making mountain out of a molehill, IMO. Other "points" are largely moot .I do hope this isn't a pointless going around in circles type discussion, I'lll be way to busy to entertain it and as you have 2 years of training via the WA, I would presume your far to busy making amazing money to be going around in circles as well.

I don't have any issue with what the lads are doing, but I'm not emotionally attached and therefore do not feel the need to make statements based on thin air nor do I have the perspective that they are doing me some huge favour by providing affiliate tools to sell their product, sorry, that's where never the twain shall meet.

There's nothing here that would benefit from being private, best the discussion is available to all.

Experience is a relative term, suffice to say I know this niche and make a decent living from it, however in the scheme of things compared to some of my colleagues who own the top 3 grav rated products in two of the biggest catagories on CB, what I do is chump change despite it being over six figures per annum, so yes I'm "experienced" , but at the same time a relative newbie compared to those doing $500,00 - $750k pa annum or more gross -- keeping it real and all.

Back at ya and best of luck selling STF, perhaps you can let us know how much profit you make on it this month, might help the guys at WA grab a few more members, you can be living proof of the products validity and WA's techniques.

I have more than enough diet products I promote right now, so it's not for me, but I hope it has you have the success with it that believe it's destined for.

On reflection and after having spent more time at the WA this morning I decided to cancel, while they have done a professional job, I think I agree with the previous poster there's not enough to make it make sense for me personally.

No offense to the lads running it, I think they have done a decent job, they are ethical, this comment shouldn't put other people off joining, it may well be suitable for those new to IM, but there's nothing there I haven't already seen a million times before.

SimonHarrison

Yep, have to say PPC-Coach gets a thumbs up, spent a few hours on there now and it's definately a keeper. It's not quite what I expected as they have a focus on CPA but as I've just taken on CPA mentorship, that's a good match.

Some decent tools as well, even to those who have successful PPC campaigns running.

Thanks for the feedback.

hemco

Which of these two do you think has the better landing page creator? Any one's comments please.

PPC-Coach

Just to chime in, (I'm bias of course, so keep that in mind), but I started out with wealthy affiliate.



If you're looking for key differences:

PPC-Coach.com gives you niches and/or the technique to use each month you're a member. Plus my "training" style is more focussed on almost forcing you to jump in and get started. I took this route because I've found one of the biggest hurdles new people face is over analyzing every detail. If you give them a step by step guide, they follow it verbatim. That's ok and some can learn and succeed that way but I've found the more success comes from jumping in and with the proper support, learning that way.

So if we go to my favorite fishing analogy. When teaching someone how to fish, I prefer to hand them a rod, stand beside them and explain to them how the rod works, what bait to use, how to cast and when to start reeling in the line. I don't hand them a how to fish guide and say "read this".

The other key difference is I only coach ppc marketing. I don't show you any article marketing at all. Wealthy affiliate does.

I respect Kyle & Carson a lot and anybody looking for good solid guidance and/or coaching will not go wrong with either site.

vuedoolor

So whats the moral of the story guys? WA or PPC coach? How are they similiar or different? Pros and cons of each strengths and weaknesses?? Which one of these program with help with not only affiliate marketing but which one will help me build my MLM?

bjohnsonco

I was a member of WA for a while and K & C were always available via PM to help if needed. BUT, what always drove me crazy was that they were also advertising the products via PPC and a noob could never get past page 10 with all the competition. Not sure if that is still the case.

IDK, I guess I get a bit miffed when the first thing a program tells me to do to earn money is to promote the program I just bought. http://ezfreerewards.info/img/214/p08i1027ueeb/eek.gif

PPC Coach is my choice.

Amfire

If you are a New bie WA is a good to go, you need some basic understanding of PPC and money in Pocket to start with PPC-Coach, both well worth the money spent tough.

browie

I have been a member of ppc-coach for almost the entire time it has been live. I have gotten so much out of it. It's not only coach but it is the other users. Everyone is VERY helpful. I recommend it and recommend my contest to get it for free.

tntrader

Any updates on this? I'm considering PPC-Coach, as I'm interested in PPC>CPA offers.

Chris

Dontrell Lyons

I would go with Wealthy Affiliate! They have everything pertaining to IM and affiliate marketing and the people in the forum are there to help.

If that wasn't enough that have special software tools for keyword research and clickbank product research!

Just my 2 cents

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reapr

I can only speak for WA. It is geared more towards the beginner and if you are anything but you will be reading a lot of posts on stuff you are already familiar with. I have been a member since 4/07. To me it is worth the price I was able to get a few ideas out of there that added tremendously to my bottom line.

To be honest I have gotten more value out of the private war room here at the warrior forum. Too bad there is not like a one time one hour one dollar wso for the private war room.

bless

I have been billed TWICE after I cancelled my Wealthy Affiliate
membership and the recurring billings continue to this day.

I am NOT able to stop the billings.

The owners do NOT answer my emails, I cannot login
anymore, and they do NOT answer posts on their blog.

If anyone can help me get my money back, plus
STOP the recurring billings, please raise your hand!

Charles

jon poland

Charles:

Are they billing your credit card or your paypal account? If it is paypal, you can cancel your membership at the subscriptions link within your paypal account.

Hope this helps.

Jon

bless

They're billing my Amex, and the most annoying thing is that Kyle and Carson do NOT care enought to answer emails and they do not answer my posts on their blog.

I'm making them even more wealthy!

They're charging me month after month for a product I do NOT want...

I certainly do not hope they claim to care for others...

KateHunter

PPC Coach offers real value for your money, it's head and shoulders above all the other make money products out there, give it a try.

hkay

I was looking for a long time on a comparison between the two and this thread has shown me the right direction. Thanks

sam520

When I was a member of WA - they did not have videos that showed you how to... I don't know about you - but I love videos. They are almost like being there.

Expression

I haven't heard anything positive about Wealthy Affiliate from Non-Affiliates.
Affiliates will never give you honest review. So You really need to do your research.

shukes

Hi Guys,

I have been a member of WA for almost a year and I found as a beginner the 8week start up plan was great for me as it spoonfed me the basics from start to almost finish..., someway off that day I think.

There were a few things that I liked, FREE hosting was one along with Site Rubix, I know that a lot of people will say that there are free HTML editors that match it but that tied in with the support from the forums was rigt up my street as a beginner.

I tend to only use a couple of the tools available, but I particularly like Rapid Writer, I must admit that the newest addition to the Wealthy Affiliate Arsenal is NicheQ, this is where all the reasearch is done on a select number of niches each week that you, as a member can get access to on drip feed but I have not realy given that a go yet.

The cloaking service is handy also.

hope this helped

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kokester

What if you go with both at the same time? I don't think the pricing is over priced for either one if you are getting good information from both of them. I was thinking about going with ppc classroom but after reading some of the stuff on here about that program, I am going to cancel my trial membership. The membership for both WA and PPC Coach is about the same as it is for PPC Classroom. Recommendations? Suggestions?

Fender85

Login to your account, click on "My WA" on the left-hand navigation, then click on "Edit Profile." At the bottom is a "Cancel WA Account" button.

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thomashoi

Have made $1000 in a day with free traffic, using techniques taught by WA.

If you really want to build a solid foundation in marketing, try out WA since they are also giving out who loves money for free.

I believe a solid foundation in IM goes a long way in achieving financial freedom online.

just my 2 cents.

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buzzword

If you look long and hard enough, you can find some detailed info, examples, products, etc. from both of these sources for free. Nothing better than taking a test drive for determining if you want the porsche or the mustang.

STILL buzzin' [8D]
Basically online trying to make an honest living.

sourcecode

I don't know about PPC Coach but don't use WA. They leave out a lot of missing ingredients to become successful. The only ones making a profit is KYLE and Carson.

Most of the info WA provides can be found on Google. You dont learn at your own pace, you learn at their pace. 8 week course that you will find yourself waiting for the next weeks course, so you will pay the second monthly fee. Seriously though, everything WA has to offer can be found by Google, even their tools.

If you do use WA, only do one month for a jump start. I highly recommend trafficdynasty dot com which is a brand new site and the information they have is of great value. They walk you through market research, keyword reasearch, landing page, and tracking all with video tutorials. They have some freebies too. They videos on keywords research opened a whole new world for me.

They just launched you should check them out.

elos

I cancel WA membership after 3 months because they provide you with info for starter after that nothing new only Niche Q but you can find much better membership sites here on WF. And for lover price and much better service.

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PPC-Coach

There's a lot of mention of selling their stuff and a pyramid type scheme with WA. It's true that they do push you to sell their stuff, but they're not a charity.



This is a also a point of difference between them and me. Two things:

1.) I own a cpa network, but recommend you use more then just mine. Diversity is always a good thing.

2.) IF I recommend a product, I give my members back 100% of the commission. I don't promote any offer unless this happens now and I do not spam my members with every new JV offer that comes out. IT must be something that I think will help them.

buzzword

Does anyone here honestly know the answer to this:

If you're a member there, and you're receiving resid commish from others who have signed up under you, and you quit... does the commish stop too?

STILL buzzin' [8D]
Basically online trying to make an honest living.

PPC-Coach

I'm not sure if you mean ppc coach or wa?

But for PPC Coach, you get $25 recurring for every member that signs up under you for the lifetime of each member. It doesn't matter if you are a member of the site or not. I've got guys doing several thousand per month in just those recurring commissions.

I'm not sure about WA, but it's probably the same?

Kazooli

In a recent review of mine (CopyNProfit Scam Alert - CopyNProfit Scam Exposed),

I have listed Wealthy Affiliate University #1 Internet Marketing Community.

Sincerely
Kazooli

Sonam22

You should realise by using PPC as your advertising mechanism you need really good champaign to compete against other PPC affiliate. It is not an easy task if you not into researching and experimenting. People losing more money than gaining with PPC. So be careful on spending money with PPC.

lakatos

I have been with WA before..while they are good, I feel that ppc-coach is even better and are more targetted to their cause..I have friends who are members praising them about it and I am on Will's list who always deliver great quality info.. pity I do not have spare time if not i would hv join..but I am planning to do so soon just to learn a thing or two from The Coach.

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Rod Cortez

Would love to see some updated reviews / success stories regarding either.

TheBeatles

A few points..

If you're a newbie/beginner JOIN WEALTHY AFFILIATE, you will finally get the information and techniques/tools/support all packaged into one.

If you're intermediate...well the affiliate program is good, plus the connections you can make are awesome ie. Ryan Moran, Rob Howard, Travis Sago, Marcus Cox, Dave B , their posts will definitely help you plus the JV opportunities are priceless.

If you're A Jedi Master...hell just join to help the others out, furthermore there is a member recommended product section that you can use to market other advanced products. But you are not just marketing to forum members.. YOU ARE MARKETING TO A LIST OF BUYERS!!

amits43

I have been the memeber of wealthy affiliate and yeah its good . I learn a lots about affiliate marketing and make some money but it takes a long time .Thats why i will not prefer it to the any one and about ppc coach,it needs real cash to go for the google adwords , so i didn't still be member but hope to have soon be there and then report it.

TheBeatles

Wealthy Affiliate is best when starting out

Yoshi1

Wealthy Affiliate is good to get a fundamental understanding of internet marketing. By reading the forums, you'll notice that there is a lot of potential in this industry. I think their forum is the most valuable.

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TheBeatles

There's a video of a real life WA member talking here


Seems pretty honest

Maximillion_Z

PPC Coach is pretty good. Perhaps not for absolute noobs, but spend a day or two there and you pick it up pretty fast.

It's kind of an immersion style of learning. For example - you'd pick up a foreign language far quicker if you actually stayed in that country for a while and the only way to communicate was to learn - fast.

Sorry, I'm rambling. Mypoint? PPC coach is a no-nonsense learning environment that gets you up to speed pretty quickly.

Wayne Davis

I have enjoyed both of these programs for different reasons at different times. I do concur with the above postings that suggest newbies go to WA. If you have never made a site or landing page, if you have never made any money online to date, you will probably find WA a bit more to your liking as it is very broad based and a bit more nurturing to the newbie.

If you have experience and you enjoy the risk/reward side of business, and your style of learning is to just go for it...PPC Coach is awesome. You do need to be a bit of a self starter and a risk taker to really appreciate this program (IMO)

If your budget allows, try them both and decide.

You might also want to try a program called Affiliit.

Good luck

Wayne