LightningYang

Has anyone used, member or heard of Mailer Millionaire with Luke Sample and Mark Pheuf? and campany?

This is selling for $995 + 295 month membership to use corporate mailing software and system.

Feedback and suggestions?

LightningYang

How come nobody has ever heard of this product??

It claims to make good money everyday.

sonas

I've seen the Mailer Millionaire webinar run by Jon Shugart Luke Sample and Mark Pheuf but like you I've not been able to find any feedback or reviews.

Hopefully someone here can add some reviews?

emnezarb

I'm curious as well if there are any real reviews on this....people that have joined and are active using their system and private forum.

GingerColeen

I watched the webinar last night. Here is my take.

1. No refunds - They said "We don't want you to try it. We want you to commit yourself to it." They also said that it was because of the email list you are getting but if you get a refund, they could deduct that portion from the refund . That's a big red flag to me especially at the high price tag for entry.

2. I love the concept. I did email marketing a little bit in the 90s to market a hosting company. It worked amazingly well and I could see how easy it was going to be to make a lot of money doing it. The problem was that people complained and I started getting hate mail.

So, even though I know it works, I also know it can be a royal pain in the butt. Even if you have a list of people who opted in you will still have major problems with complaints and getting your hosting and email accounts banned when you're sending mass mailings to people.

Now, they may teach you how to deal with this. I don't know. Or maybe their software prevents some of it but they did say you need your own domain.

3. They only started 6 weeks ago. Another red flag.

I slept on it, thought about it, did some online searching for information. I'm still on the fence, but until some of my concerns are answered, I'll keep going down the road I'm heading now. Building your own lists takes a little longer but I think it is much safer in the long run.

I have their email address if anyone wants it. Maybe I will write and ask them to respond here.

tftom

That $997 first month with no money back guarantee is my sticking point. That's too much to risk even though the offer is enticing. I would love to hear from someone about their experience.

tftom

There is another webinar on Sunday. I can give the details to whoever is interested.

tftom

They give you 10,000 emails to signup, and you get 5,000 emails monthly after that. They only give you one "proven" offer a month, but they say there are other offers posted in the forum by members.

I don't see how you will recover you money very quickly, but it might worth in in the long run.

tomerep

I've never heard of it!

cervin

I attended the webinar. If you get 5,000 or 10,000 email adresses once a month how can you make $150 per day every day with just one mailing. I am not experienced but it seems to me that you would have to mail daily to get that type of income. Does anyone have experience with this issue? Is it possible?

You can't just keep mailing a different offer to the same people every day. That would become spam.

WebMarketWiz

Hi ,
I googled the name and came across their forum with a post by a new member.
Here is the link.
day 1 - Blogs - Mailer Millionaire Members Forum

tftom

Of course, you don't even know if it's legit.

WebMarketWiz

True. I don't see any reviews.
Maybe this one of those big secrets.

cre8jv

I watched the webinar on Jan 9th too. It sounded good at the time, except for the "no refund", which is usually a major red flag. If these guys are millionaires from using this system, then they should be happy to refund in order to build a good reputation. They did say that they would guarantee that by 60 days you'd be making your monthly fee of $297 at a minimum or they would personally help you get to that point. I just did a search trying to get some info about them. I went a few pages deep and found this info, Throttled Account / Setup or Usage Questions / Discussion Area - Elastic Email Support , which isn't too encouraging. This happened back in Nov, so I don't know if they have changed their system or not.

bowechaim

Thomas,
I have a strong interest in the email marketing business and would like to know if you have any advice for someone who is interested in doing this?

I too have watch the webinar and he is very interesting, however, the high price is deterring me from signing up.

I do trust in the group of gentlemen who are offering the opportunity, for Jon Shugart, the man behind Rockstart Power Suite, is a reputable man and stands behinds his products. So, that is not a concern of mine.

However, after researching a bit on email marketing, there is a bunch to understand - especially in relationship to IP's, email throttling, email deliverability, etc, etc.

So, again just would like to know from someone like yourself who has been doing it for a bit if they had any advice or direction for someone like me who is eager to learn?

And if it is even worth it to go into that type of online business?

I look forward to your response.


Thanks

Bowe

sonas

As mentioned previously, having attended a webinar for Mailer Millionaire (webinar called "The $1.2 Million Dollar Affiliate"), I emailed support with some questions and have thus far failed to receive a reply, I also came across a similar thread to an earlier poster a few pages deep in a Google search which isn't very encouraging either: Emails in Progress Not Yet Sent but are ready to send / System Errors or Issues / Discussion Area - Elastic Email Support

cobwab

Hi,

I watched the Webinar, too.
With no refunds, hard to swallow. What are they afraid of?
They have a software platform for handling the maillings. Proprietary, but someone could reverse engineer it.
Too rich for my blood.
Found MailSorcerer which seems to do more than their platform and you get a 30 day free trial.
Looks like the main problem is finding responsive optin lists.

Take Care,
Walt
PS. There is lots of info on email marketing on Google.

cobwab

I sent a skype request to add me to your contacts: Walter Brown

Tried to call bu no answer.

cadillac48

I bought it. sorry i did!

I believe it probably is not a scam. However, from what I've heard in the forum, and once you are a member, and from what they say once they have your money, it takes a lot of effort, time, and disappointment until you see some decent results.

When you look at the initial $997 and $297 a month you have to invest, it could take as long as say 8 months from the way i see it too just get your investment back!

That's a lot of money to put up, time , effort, disappointment to go thru before you get some decent profits.

The big problem is you have to crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run. Meaning you have to start out your mailings very slowly and build up the number you can send out slowly also or you just have your ip's and stmp's closing your accounts. it's a very slow process building up to the number of mailings so that you can make some decent money!. Compare it to a steam locomotive first starting out slowly and picking up steam slowly.


Yes, Ginger is right, they could be giving a refund guarantee. If they wanted to, they could offer refund withs ay $150 deduction for the "records' as they call email leads.

The reason they won't do that is because too many people won't want to stick to the rigorous program they lay out and would be happy to get back $850 rather than should i say subject themselves to the negatives of this program.

I am going to cancel so that they don't take the $297 next month. I will eat the $997, I don't want to invest all that time it takes, and go through all the problems and disappointments associated with Mailer Millionaire. I may have to cancel my credit card or report it stolen to get a new card so they can't take my money next month!

cre8jv

Thanks for the honest review, sorry it's not working out for you. I think the main reason they won't refund is because they know they way over hyped it. They said in the webinar that you could be making 10k/mo within 3 months. They should just be honest and let people know it's going to take more time to build it up, just like any business. The $297/mo is the real killer though. It's hard to keep shelling out that much and not see any ROI.

cadillac48

You are correct when you say the $297 is the real killer. If it were around $100 I would stick with it a few months. But i already lost $997 so i don't want to build up the losses.

Once you are a member, they tell you this is a slow process to making the big money, not saying 10k a month by third month. It takes a lot of effort, lot of frustration, obviously large capital outlay

I'm not saying that long term it is not worth it. Problem is what you have to go through to get to that point where you can look back and say it was worth it.

They know that once people join and see what is really involved, a lot will want refunds. On the webinar, they make it sound easy. The truth is, it is far from easy!

One thing i find real irritating and frustrating is listening to Mark Phenuf, the creator of the system. You would think if this guy was making so much money he could afford to buy a high quality microphone.

All three of them take turns on the videos but Mark recorded the most important videos like how to use the software. The quality of the video with him speaking is awful! It is a real stuggle understanding what he is saying!

You would think for a thousand dollar program with high monthly fee, they woud do something about it. But they obviously don't care enough to see to it that the instructional videos have decent sound quality. The other two guys sound ok, it is just Mark with his awful souind equipment!

advancedwebtools

Am curious about MailSorcerer... did some searching but couldn't find a web site. Could you post the web address or send me a PM with the web address? Thx

sfrewerd

I just left the current webinar after finding out how much the program costs. Geez.

jaybee2003

Price is now $1500 and then $300 per month. The no refund seems awfully sketchy. Would love to hear some more input from members.

Scott Worthington

J just spent 2 hours in the webinar for this. They may have cut back some on the "hype", because they were talking about it taking time, being a slow process. Work 90 minutes to 2 hours a day on it and let it build.

The price I was given is $1497 first month and $297/mo thereafter. The signup link resolves to:

https://incomerockstar.infusionsoft....eform/nathniet

I can't find any info anywhere else about the company, the system or "income rockstar", though I know that I have heard of that before.

The promoters claim that they don't want chasers of "Shiny New Objects" or pushbutton systems, but then seem to describe this as both of those.

It is intriguing, but too rich, and vague, for me.

Scott Worthington

I just found this comment/response to a Mailer Millionaire client discussion @ Elastic Email. Apparently MM is blacklisted and many members are having their emails throttled.

Due to the high number of blacklisting incidents due to Mailer Millionaire Accounts -
All MM Accounts have been moved from Elastic Email's IP Pools to One IP.

There is nothing more we can do at the moment -

We are offering Private IPs to accounts that make a $250 credit purchase, but that is on the strict terms that we will offer very little support and no refunds.

Thank You
Cully

http://support.elasticemail.com/disc...ottled-account

jaybee2003

Cadillac, they are touting some new training program that just started 3 days ago. Do you have any opinion on it?

Another odd thing - I attended the 3PM webinar earlier today. I just noticed they have another one at 9PM so I popped in to ask a few more questions. I was shocked to find out they just replayed the exact same recorded 3PM session. So if you just watched the 9PM webinar, you probably thought it was live but it wasn't (the webinar touts live real-time results).

JoshKelly

Thanks for this discussion guys. Really useful info here!

I got a link to this webinar from Adam Short of Niche Marketing Classroom - which is one of the few monthly membership systems I think has reasonable value for what he offers (although I just took his ideas and ran with them myself).

Seems weird to me that he would promote such a sketchy offer....

However, the whole idea of buying lists and CPA offers might be an interesting thing to explore. Anyone have any experience with this? Is that even close to a reality that anyone has ever heard of before, buying lists that actually convert for 1 - 5 cents per lead?

Also, for anyone that has bought the course (or that watched more of the webinar than I did), what the heck takes so long about their system. What would you spend your time doing for 1 - 2 hours/day for 8 months before you start making lots of money?

robwill2

I listened in to the Webinar yesterday, and found it very interesting.

The entry costs are high, no problem if the system works as well as suggested, but thinking about the method does raise some important issues.

On one example the click through rate is very low, 70,000 emails sent, about 700 click throughs. Also the amount earned per click is only just over $1, so obviously you need to send out thousands of emails to make a worthwhile return.

Here lies the problem as far as I can see. The two examples shown used a total of 140,000 emails sent for just one day. If there were even just 100 people doing this, that would be 70 million emails sent for just one week.

Even looking at just two months, we are looking at around 560 million emails sent. That means that in six months around 1680 million emails would have to be sent.

As the entire population of the USA totals just over 300 million, I just can't see how on earth you could ever continue to get such huge lists of people to email.

7figs

Wow, this thread is a lifesaver. I too watched the MailerMillionaire webinar and like several WF members here already mentioned, the presenters make it sound quite easy and hassle free to do.

However, the links posted by cre8jv @ Throttled Account / Setup or Usage Questions / Discussion Area - Elastic Email Support ...and... sonas @ Throttled Account / Setup or Usage Questions / Discussion Area - Elastic Email Support ...tell a much different story.

By the looks of it, Mailer Millionaire is becoming Million-Tangles-In-The-Hair. Thank you cre8jv and sonas for sharing your research!

nickstrech

Watched the webinar last night it seems like a big layout. and if it hadn't been endorsed by Adam Short I probably would have ignored it. As for it working as a system, it certainly seems to work for some of their members.

VelocityMedia

Thanks for info Guys, I was going to look at this deeper later today....(remember -There is always a "Charge Back Option" on your credit card) I think legally FTC terms state you can get your money back within 30 days...

When they said they would be answering questions at the end & wouldn't answer my question of why the "Successes" were only showing 10-20 dollars, I was a bit taken back (if the 1497 wasn't enough)

After seeing the "Pipeline Profits" course on Coreg..etc..I knew there was more to this...even with coreg, you need to get leads Fresh & within minutes of them signing up, so your fresh in their minds & can build a relationship.

So I figured with that knowledge I could buy my own leads & use their system delivery, but since that sucks as well, no sense in that...

and Thomas/ skype: opulent7, I may look you up this weekend...


Thanks ALL

rohitiyer11

Ok.....There seems to be quite a bit of misinformation.

For starters, I'm a member and have already had a lot of success with it. The reason you don't see the bigger earners like myself or the others that have already hit $X,XXX - $XX,XXX with it is because of this: You post earnings like that from a system/product you'll have hundreds of people PM'ing you, skyping you, etc... asking for help. It's very overwhelming.

There's only so much one person can do in regards to helping others.

This program is not for the majority of people here. You need to know how to be exhaustive when it comes to testing.... that means coming up with many many variations to test:

• New domains (domain1.com, domain2.com......domain100.com)
• New from addresses (aka cindy@domain.com, admin@domain.com, jon@domain.com, support@domain.com....etc)
• New body copy
• New from display names (From: Cindy L., Domain.com, Lower Car Insurance, many many other variations can be placed here)
• New subject lines
• And More.....

There are so many variables here that people overlook when they see this golden ticket to financial freedom that they'll inevitably give up and say it doesn't work. Those that don't look to give up aren't testing enough as this is all a numbers game. So at the end of the day, you need to see how bad you actually want it. Are you ok with testing 10, 20, 50, even 100 different variations a day knowing none of them can produce a single thing? If you are, then you've got the right mindset to make a lot of money very easily once you figure out the system.

Personal example: There were times where I'd test out over 200 variations in a week sending lots of emails and getting NOTHING in return. It didn't bring me down, but instead, got me pumped as I knew this kind of testing would crush those who give up easily.

Now while I could post screenshots of my earnings and show that it's made me close to $40k since november, it really won't mean anything to you unless you have the drive to succeed. But I've got it to the point where its an easy side income that I spend a max of about an hour on a day. That means not asking the same simple questions over and over again in the forums but to search for the answer yourself, test out your own theories, and not look for a spoon fed copy and paste profit system.

Another thing... Mark (the mailer who's done the millions in revenue w/ the mailing system) has done this for 17 months+.... if you're newer to marketing online and are looking to fast track your success you'll be disappointed. This requires a lot of hard work and perseverance and you need to have parts of the system *click* internally before you start progressing... but damn, when they do, you'll start cutting your time spent testing in half, then in half again... till it's almost too easy. That's where Mark is at.... hours upon hours, weeks upon weeks, and month after month of NON STOP TESTING is how he's made 7 plus figures in revenue.

So ask yourself if you're ready to do all of the above. If you are, there's a great community in store for you. You'll be able to search the forums for any hiccups along the path as there are hundreds of users here that have asked many of the questions you'll have.

On top of that you get the email data (what makes you the money over and over and over again) every month to help you on your way.

One thing to note.... THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIST BUILDING AND PROMOTING NICHE BASED PRODUCTS... you are marketing to the general audience and building a business. Think of it like commercials on prime cable networks. They are offers of MASS appeal to a HUGE audience. So this is where you'll make a lot of money.... get anything even remotely close to list building out of your head. Now that isn't to say you can get people to opt-into your own lists for your own stuff (which is very easy to do here), but you need to think large scale. You'll be shown how to promote actual good offers that convert way better than the clickbank crap on the forums.

If you want the big money down the road then have the big money mindset: Be unattached to the outcome of your testing and duplicate your success. I'd even say to blindly follow what is laid out for you in the 60 day plan if you really want to jump start your ability to profit. If you just keep testing and follow the outline there's not reason you won't be profiting more than the success screenshots you've seen already. Then just progress to larger scales as you become more successful, it's easy to scale up your earnings when more parts of the system click... you just have to keep at it until it finally begins to do so. Then post any of your earnings on the forum and you get rewarded with more data to email which will make your MORE money!

**Remember when I mentioned there were people who've earned a minimum of $X,XXX already? Well they've posted screenshots and have been given 100,000 email records to mail as bonus reward data. If you saw the webinar, you saw that properly warmed up IPs with good email copy can generate more than $1k per 100k emails each day. And you get to mail that list over and over again reaping the profits. You get rewarded with money by making money essentially.....I don't see how you can go wrong joining our community if that sounds like something of interest to you.

I'll try to get some screenshots of my earnings in later today on this thread. But for now feel free to Check Out Some Earnings and get some more info

MacWebHosting

^ Judging by your low post count, I would seem somewhat likely that you are one of the MM crew....

Gwirwin

Well you can say that anymore because I am a victim of MM. I paid $995.00, plus $495 for extra data (email addresses) and $295.00 per month. I have not been able to get access to the software so I can even make an attempt at success. I joined on Jan 14/13 and have been trying through emails and their so-called "support" Desk to have some one help me, to no avail. 20 days (and counting) with no help. I have access to the members area and the forum but not the software!!!!???!! I can understand maybe a day or two while someone figure this thing out but 20 days! I got stung this way by Howie Schwartz in 2011 for $3600.00 and the thing is still in legal process. I'm told there will be interest and damages awarded to set an example of these internet "marketer". Originally I really respected Howie Scwartz and Jon Shgart but that has changed immensely. SO, I guess I don't have to tell...DON'T EVEN TRY TO FIND MILLIONAIR MAILER.

Gwirwin

Jon Shugart, Millionaire Mailer has left me high and dry for 20 days. I paid $995.00 for access, plus $495.00 for additional data (email addresses) and $295.00 per month but after 20 days I have NOT been able to get any one to help me!! I can log into the members area and the forum but not my software (the crutial part of it all) I bought this program solely based on my trust in JON SHUGART. bUT NOW MY TRUST IN JON SHUGART HAS COMPLETELY ERRODED AWAY. if there is anyone else who has had problems with Millionaire Mailer to contact me here on the forum and I will get back to you.

cadillac48

Is the problem that you dont know where to go to log in or you know the url but it wont accept

your username and password?


All you have to do is go to

www.mailermillionaire.net and use same username and password as the website and forum.

I was told to go there in introductory email.


www.mailermillionaire.net use the username and password that gains you access to the website!!!!!!!


Also in the MM forum, on top there are three tabs, one is 'Mailer Millionaire Software', click on it and it will lead to www.mailermillionaire.net sign in page.

Since you have access to the forum, why don't you complain there of support not responding .

Let others see what you are going thru!!!!!!

And Mark, Jon, and Luke will see your post also!!!!

T Manfredi

I also purchased it. And, I too am sorry I did.

The program is much more difficult to implement than they implied on the Webinar. And, the training they give you can be difficult to follow. For one thing, in their videos they sometimes contradict themselves when explaining details and you are never sure exactly what you should be doing.

The supplemental training webinars they did the week of 1/28 did little to make things clearer. They don't seem to have their act together. Most of the training is pretty much off the cuff, not well thought out, and definitely not complete.

I contacted them to see about getting out of the program and they said "NO". As was said earlier I can see having to pay something for the 5,000 email addresses they give you up front, but that's not worth $997. And, since they aren't double opt in emails, a lot of email services won't let you use them.

As someone suggested, I have contacted my credit card company and got them to do a charge back. I'll see how that works.

Based on what I have read here and what I experienced, I think everyone should stay away from this one.

If you want to waste $997 I have some "ocean front property in Arizona" I can sell you.

Danny Shaw

Why would you pay out that much for an emailing system? I paid $250ish to set mine up, $70ish per month for hosting with rotating IP and $200ish for a list of 75,000 (optins) in a niche. If my ip gets blacklisted they set up a new one free. S#%T give me $500 upfront and $100 a month and I will find you a good emailing list as well. Shop around and save yourself some money!

robwill2

Quite surprised that Adam Short, a marketer that I have trusted up to now, should get involved in something like this.

I suppose like some others, the lure of a big payout was too tempting to resist.

cadillac48

Brittany Lynch is a very respected affiliate marketer. She is holding webinars for her people.

I know when the price was $997, they were making $300 commission per sale with residue income from the $297 monthly charge. Now the program is $1497, so i guess the commission has also gone up for them.

Same for Joel Pederson

sonas

Had came across this page on their Mailer Millionaire site previously which basically concurs: Mailer Millionaire JV Signup

jmstax

Gwirwin,I sent you a pm with a question

jmstax

Danny Shaw
You may get more emails on this, I know I would be willing if you were willing to train. I like the concept and want to know more.

small forward

Thanks for that Info

You gave a REALISTIC view of what the program really takes to succeed.

Great Job!

Simon James

I'm watching the latest webinar right now.
Having been previously ripped off by programmes like 'Abitrage Conspiracy' and 'Google Cash Detective', I am certain that there is no need to extract this much fixed cost out of the subscribers up front, unless they are worried about the rate of attrition due to a very slow ROI rate.
Danny, I'm in the UK and would really appreciate some pointers as to where to look for decent niche targeted UK lists, and which hosting service will set up new ips for free if mine gets canned. In fact, since my usual business is PPC management and SEO consultancy, any email marketing advice you have would be much appreciated.

Regards
Simon

KnightSniper

Hey I sent you a skype mess, I'd like to talk to you about your system.

Octavio

KnightSniper

Hook me up bro Skype me at oct.money

KnightSniper

Would you help me getting started with CPA I have a couple cpa networks but havent got a clue as to how to mass mail I also know about Jmailer pro and know I can use rent a list and others but don't know how to choose a domain name yet and or where to buy low cost emails and how to avoid geting my isp or email accounts banned etc.
Let me know if you can help thanks Danny

Skype oct.money

luke69

Don't know if you have found "MailSorcerer" yet, but I believe the actual URL is:

Email Marketing Software-bulk email advertising application

I haven't used them, so I can't comment on performance.

Cheers!