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Unread 17th April 2013, 02:15 AM   #51
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I am curious as to whether those of you who are having success with ebay using auctioneliminator's course have to have a storage space of some sort in order to make it work and whether you have to devote a lot of time to boxing, packing and shipping.

I am not against work, it's just that I worked as a shipping/ receiving guy before and that's not my thing, and also I don't have ANY room to store products.

Also, how much money are you making on ebay?
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As for Langille, I knew nothing about him and heard about him on Hitesh's webinar and from that I was interested and so did some research. I was totally open minded and as I read criticisms of him and his method I challenged them. I even defended him against some people on other forums who seemed to just be out to bad-mouth him for very flimsy reasons.

I have done quite a bit of research on him and his methods and I have found very little here and elsewhere to recommend him.

The BEST I have found is someone saying basically, "yeah I used his method and made a LITTLE money but not enough to warrant the amount of work". It appears that a few people did or do make good money using his methods but they are a small minority as near as I can tell.

And there seems to be no doubt that it does violate Amazon's TOS - that's a certainty and you can read that above in this thread. And from what I hear it also violate's ebay's policies and I have read testimony that people have had their accounts closed for drop shipping at ebay.

So all in all this does indeed seem to be a black hat method AND not very profitable for most of those who have tried it - the combination of which makes it not worth learning and not worth doing, as far as I am concerned.

For me, the "Should I take Roger Langille's training" case is CLOSED and honestly, based on feedback I've read, I would not buy any of his products and I am unsubscribing from this thread for that reason.
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Drop shipping is like playing roulette at the casino. You spin the wheel and hope for the best.

The drop shipper will eventually run out of stock at some point, and you will have egg on your face bwhaaah

Now you have to call the customer informing them you have run out of stock, could they either pick another item or you will have to refund them.

Do you have the balls to tell them the truth !!, that your just a Doushe bag, with just a ecommerce site, with no control over your stock, and your just riding the coat-tails of someone elses inventory.

Come on people.....

YOU NEED TO HAVE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN INVENTORY THAT WAY YOU SET THE PRICE !!!

MOST PEOPLE THINK YOU MAKE MONEY WHEN YOU SELL.

THE BIG DOGS KNOW..... YOU MAKE MONEY WHEN YOU BUY (WTF)

So how do you do that?

YOU BUY AT THE CHEAPEST POSSIBLE PRICE, ==> FROM THE MANUFACTURER

1, YOU IMPORT..
2. YOU SET THE PRICE
3. YOU SQUEEZE YOU COMPETITORS and DOUCHE BAGS BUYING OF DROP SHIPPERS out of the market
4. YOU DOMINATE YOUR LOCAL AREA
5. YOU BANK
6. YOU FIND ANOTHER PRODUCT AND REPEAT

Guys listen up I've been doing this for a decade if you want to make chump change then drop ship, if you want to make Baller cash then start a real business and start importing.
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I am curious as to whether those of you who are having success with ebay using auctioneliminator's course have to have a storage space of some sort in order to make it work and whether you have to devote a lot of time to boxing, packing and shipping.

I am not against work, it's just that I worked as a shipping/ receiving guy before and that's not my thing, and also I don't have ANY room to store products.

Also, how much money are you making on ebay?

One thing you'll notice with my system is that I emphasize GREATLY that you NEVER do anything unless 'numbers make the decisions for you'.

For example, if you researched that IF you needed to drive 40 miles to pick up and item for a 10 dollar profit, you wouldn't do it.

However, if you researched you'd have to drive 40 miles for a 420 dollar profit, then of COURSE you'd do it.

Now, if that required you to go to the post office just once? Would that disqualify the profit potential?

One thing people forget a lot of the time is that the post man comes to your house every day.

However, there are a LOT of other ways to make money on eBay. And for some reason, people think that dropshipping for 'convenience' is the way to go.

However, if you're selling 200 items, for a 10 dollar profit - where it takes 5 minutes to process, and 5 minutes for accounting and invoicing, that is a total of 30 dollars an hour.

However, if you can sell 3-5 items for 1000 dollars in profit - that is a LOT more attractive to me. With a lot less time investment.
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I watched a replay of Roger's webinar with Hitesh and was very interested in the whole system and was, and still am considering buying it. Roger spent over two hours on that webinar and answered all the questions fired at him.

I still have an open mind here, but would certainly be happier if Roger could answer the question on the "brown box delivery" and the question of going against Amazon's TOS.

I had a look at his e-Bay forum and noticed a couple of people asking for refunds- however, without me being in the program, their reasons for doing so seemed very weak - but I could be wrong. There were also a few people with gripes about their customers' receiving their product in Amazon boxes and this causing real problems for them.

I really would be grateful if these points could be clarified. I remain open minded and this is not a criticism, but a genuine inquiry. Thank you in advance for some clarification.
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I watched a replay of Roger's webinar with Hitesh and was very interested in the whole system and was, and still am considering buying it. Roger spent over two hours on that webinar and answered all the questions fired at him.

I still have an open mind here, but would certainly be happier if Roger could answer the question on the "brown box delivery" and the question of going against Amazon's TOS.

I had a look at his e-Bay forum and noticed a couple of people asking for refunds- however, without me being in the program, their reasons for doing so seemed very weak - but I could be wrong. There were also a few people with gripes about their customers' receiving their product in Amazon boxes and this causing real problems for them.

I really would be grateful if these points could be clarified. I remain open minded and this is not a criticism, but a genuine inquiry. Thank you in advance for some clarification.

I can answer this for you
First off, I've done PLENTY of research - the only 2 main complaints I've found against Roger are:
1. He promotes MLMs like Visalus - I don't understand why this is considered a problem. Don't join one if you don't want to (I'm not personally involved in the MLM side either!). Roger also answered this in quite some detail earlier in this forum.
2. He teaches Amazon to eBay dropshipping which is against amazon TOS/causes problems with customers.
Let me answer the 'problems with customers' part first - I've personally looked over multiple profiles of his students and also spoken to/listened to a few of them. Almost NO ONE has reported a problem with this en masse. A very small % of customers have a problem with this, especially if you include a note in your listing stating that you might use Amazon to fulfill an order in some cases.
Overall, I think the customer side of this is a super minor issue if that.

Now about this being against Amazon TOS. I 100% agree with you on that and I've discussed with Roger on this as well. Now let me explain how I see this:
1. There a TON of people doing this with Amazon > ebay. And a LOT of them are seeing great success. If this was a huge deal for Amazon, they would've dealt with it severely (it's very easy to do so). So in that regard, I see this as Google saying that any form of SEO is against their TOS (yes, they literally say that any attempts to help increase a site's ranking via backlinking/optimization is against TOS). It's against the TOS, but not really enforced and I know lots of people doing very well with this.
HOWEVER, I personally still do not do this, which brings me to the second point.

2. Amazon is simply the best and the easiest example of a dropshipping source. There are at least 7 others in the course itself, but on top of that, there is an EXCLUSIVE deal that Roger is cutting with one of the largest suppliers in US (I helped make this connection so all thankyous can be sent via PM lol). So you can skip everything and simply dropship using the new source he'll have set up over the next month or so.


Now, with all that aside, Roger's method of using ebay is the 'convenience method'. It is designed for beginners with limited money and limited time. If you want to do everything on a bigger scale, then you simply have to put in the money/time to get an inventory, manage it, and bear that risk. That is not a bad thing, but it's not for everyone.

I am VERY VERY cautious about what I promote, who I work with, and how it is presented. I don't make any money by defending Roger's system here, but my reputation is important to me. Further, I know how much a lot of people have been helped by this, and I want to make sure other people are not misled away from this based on a few misguided negative reviews.
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Thank you Hitesh for the partial answer. You have not answere the "brown box" delivery part where people on the forum are defintitely complaining that they are getting flack from their customers.

How does one ensure that goods are delivered in this way and not in an Amazon box?
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Thank you Hitesh for the partial answer. You have not answere the "brown box" delivery part where people on the forum are defintitely complaining that they are getting flack from their customers.

How does one ensure that goods are delivered in this way and not in an Amazon box?
Since buying Rogers course i've made about 18 sales. Mostly dropshipping from Amazon. No one has complained about receiving their product in an amazon box.

The "brown box" delivery part is a complete scam. I called Amazon and told them i am buying an item and shipping it to a friend but i don't want the Amazon logo on the box. Is there a way to ship in a plain box? Amazon told me there is NO way to do this.

The brown box thing is a scam Rogers running to make affiliate commission off of you. That's all it is.
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Review-

I've been using this so i'd thought i'd give it a review.

He actually has 2 courses. The Basic course is $47 and is Ebay- Amazon arbitrage. In the advanced course he shows you how to do arbitrage using i think 7 other stores. I think the advanced course costs around $200. I got both.

The good part about this course is that it got me into Ebay for the first time. Learned a lot.

Here are some drawbacks. When listing items you find on Amazon the profit margins are razor thin. He says you want to price your items so you make at least a $3 profit. Bad idea. There are about 9 states where Amazon collects sales tax but i seem to sell to those people around 50% of the time. It depends on the price, but everytime i get hit with tax it's like $5-$6. So i lose money on the sale.

Another problem is that Amazon's sales prices fluctuate on a daily basis. So you might think you're going to make a profit but then Amazon increases the price by $8 and now you lost money again. This happens all the time.

So if you list stuff from Amazon i would price in at least an $8 profit. Problem is that there are very few products that fit that criteria where you can compete. It literally would take me 2 hours just to find 1 product that fit that criteria. Bad return on investment - I have better things to do.

Another problem is when the store runs out of product. One of the sites he uses in the advanced course is Overstock. I found a product with a nice $18 profit margin and listed it on Ebay. 2 weeks later i sold it. Went to Overstock to buy it and it was sold out. And that product was nowhere else online so i had to refund the buyer.

His method seems to be to spray Ebay with a thousand products. Of course that's a problem too. Ebay limits your account to 100 items when you first start out. And it's pulling teeth getting them to up your limits.

I had about 10 items listed but only 1 would sell. It sold about once a week and made a profit of $8 everytime. I would just relist it. None of my other items sell. Not sure why. I followed his course.

Since i bought this course i bought other courses and did a lot more research. There is another course i won't mention that tells you to find deals on Craigslist. That's crap too. I looked for deals on Craigslist for a week straight. Everyone wants to sell at full retail or close to it. Then you have to run around town trying to buy stuff to sell on ebay. Then you have to buy a box and package it. Then go to the post office. Well, that reduces yourself to a minumum wage job. Forget that.

After doing lots of research here's how i believe people make money on Ebay. They find a product that sells well on Ebay. Then they find the manufacturer and set up a dropshipping agreement and sell it on Ebay. You will get the absolute lowest price from the manufacturer/wholesaler. So you should be able to price your stuff at the lowest price possible and still make some kind of profit. That seems to be what most powersellers are doing.
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I did try Roger's basic training. Here is where I had a problem. The training suggests that when you order through Amazon you must go through a link setup by Roger which he claims tells Amazon that they should ship items in a plain brown box without Amazon markings or invoice. We are not talking about Fulfillment By Amazon here; he teaches selling only actual Amazon products to take advantage of free shipping.

Well, what you are really doing is sending items as gifts ( which you could do without the "special link" ) and I don't think the Amazon source information is completely removed. I have read conflicting reports on this. Actually, I believe the real reason for this setup is that when you go to Amazon with these links you are dropping Roger's Amazon affiliate cookie! Great for him, not so great for you if your Ebay customers catch on to what's going on and your feedback tanks.
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One thing i don't understand is how you can offer a 14 days return and be drop shipping from Amazon? Hmmm...That doesn't make sense.

Can someone from Roger's Camp explain that too me?

Me thinks that certain items you can drop ship...and others you can't *maybe?
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YOU NEED TO HAVE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN INVENTORY THAT WAY YOU SET THE PRICE !!!

MOST PEOPLE THINK YOU MAKE MONEY WHEN YOU SELL.

THE BIG DOGS KNOW..... YOU MAKE MONEY WHEN YOU BUY (WTF)

So how do you do that?

YOU BUY AT THE CHEAPEST POSSIBLE PRICE, ==> FROM THE MANUFACTURER

1, YOU IMPORT..
2. YOU SET THE PRICE
3. YOU SQUEEZE YOU COMPETITORS and DOUCHE BAGS BUYING OF DROP SHIPPERS out of the market
4. YOU DOMINATE YOUR LOCAL AREA
5. YOU BANK
6. YOU FIND ANOTHER PRODUCT AND REPEAT

Guys listen up I've been doing this for a decade if you want to make chump change then drop ship, if you want to make Baller cash then start a real business and start importing.
I am an experienced ebayer and know this much. I accept nothing less than getting 5 star dsr and do everything I can to get higher in the rankings. I am having trouble figuring out where I can get my products for less and how. I am currently selling a few related products, but am running out of supply. I just need to know how I can go about getting more.
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So out of desperation I just read this ENTIRE blog post about the eBay to Amazon drop shipping etc.. and I have to say that I feel disgusted by the fact that I feel as if I just watched a movie but didn't get to see the ending. My point is, I feel as if I learned nothing. The entire blog was nothing more than two sides having a pissing contest over "whose is bigger". I left the thread no more intelligent than I was when I began reading it, and only gained the knowledge that no one appears to have figured anything out. The thread contained no true success stories of any kind, but some guy seemed proud that he made $80 in a month?? I could only imagine the time that he spent to make that - He must not have very high expectations or responsibilities of any sort. Here's what I knew going into this, that for whatever reason people seem to have such a hard time comprehending this common sense:
1. It is against Amazon's policy to use drop shipping for Prime. (period) Whether or when they decide to back that policy up is indifferent. You will not want to be in a position that they could simply yank your account out from under you whenever they simply choose to.
2. It is not against Amazon's policy to drop ship outside of Prime. The fact that Amazon says that you cannot use drop ship with Prime indicates that they are aware that drop shipping occurs, and that they are fine with it. It's been going on for years, and it is part of Amazon's culture.
3. You can not use Amazon's pictures, as you cannot use anyone's pictures. The only pictures a seller is able to use are the pictures provided by eBay within a products description, or the pictures that they themselves take.
4. eBay has no issue with a seller drop shipping. They actually encourage it, and provide a list of companies to use if you are interested in doing so.
5. For the record, Amazon plain boxes do not exist. A seller can hide certain aspects of the purchase by selecting "gift", but common sense would tell you that Amazon isn't going to remove all of their labels from a package, but the package DID actually come from them, and they want the receiver to know that. They want the receive to stop using you and to go directly through them. It's basic business. Use the drop shipper to let people know that they could buy it cheaper through them directly, and then burn the drop shipper in the process.
6. eBay is all about feedback and Star Rankings. Without feedback and star rankings, eBay would be NOTHING! Any seller on eBay knows just how freakin' difficult it is to achieve top status' when you have the product in hand and therefore have "full control" over the sale. eBay offers very little leniency! Imagine how difficult it would be to keep these top status' once you take the product and shipping out of your hands and place it into someone else's.. GOOD LUCK THERE BUDDY! Your scores will, inevitably, suffer. It is just basic math. In order to have perfect ratings with eBay you've got to literally bust your balls and bring your A game when selling, because the little leniency that eBay provides simply covers the newbies and douche bags buyers that out of stupidity or spite will screw up your scores because they post negative feedback and/or star feedback because "the item doesn't fit me", or "I don't like the item", when you have a return policy. (THOSE CHAP MY ASS IF YOU CAN'T TELL)

So what did I learn? Nothing

1. I own an eBay business where I import products from Asia, and I can tell you this method SUCKS! Having to deal with the Asian's is terrible. They wake up when Americans go to bed, so unless you don't have a job, and stay up all hours of the night.. good luck in talking with them. Not to mention all of the other headaches: time in finding the products, negotiating the prices, shipping the items..(mail/sea), dealing with forwarders, import duties, taking the time to post eBay ads, dealing with customers, returns, shipping, packaging.. etc..
2.. Obviously drop shipping doesn't work

So I'm back where I started...
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Wow!!

I feel like the last poster, regarding reading the thread - I am exhausted. It is 3:23am

It would have been more productive to have gone to bed.

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Ok i'm adding to the discussion here, I am based in the UK and bought the first part of roger langilles course ds domination. I was pitched that they have lots of international sellers so i thought i would give it a try. Firstly after going through the process and opening a shop I learned that ebay requires 90 days after the first sale and at least 10 customer reviews to let you start selling internationally. When i approached roger about that and asked if the next leg of the course which is $97 (a month !!!) would solve that he replied it would, but I waited days to get that answer and by that time Ijust cancelled my pro account as I didn't think a monthly payment for something I couldn't do was worth it. However in the beginning of the process I had found a few items here in the uk which fit rogers criteria and I had listed them.

The result of this was an email from ebay threatening to suspend my account indefinately unless i provided ID and proof of ownership!

After a long conversation today with customer service i found out that this is because they don't allow drop shipping from a new account. Now not everyone may have this experience but at this point in time I'm pretty pissed off. I had also requested a refund and my email was ignored but I'm more concerned that I would lose my account.

My advice with this course !Tread with care!
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Don't bother..they are trolls that think paying $47 entitles them to call everything a scam if they don't make $1 mllion+ Still be in the gutter in 10+ years time chasing the next "pyramid scheme."

Idiots....too many of them.
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Now as for the silly other comments, I will happily put any person on here on any private webinar with me, let them choose the starting item, and will find them products with significant profit. In fact I am fully willing to drop any wager on it if you like, lets say $5000.00 for fun, if you are not willing to escrow money and enter into this webinar, then kindly do not post anymore

I will also happily open dated posts, emails etc, detailing where the designer of my training site had the link up for affiliate money from amazon(no affiliate program available in North Carolina), as an added bonus, we can look at my training center, where I explain this, and removed the secretbrownbox link. Now lets recap

(1) $5000.00 wager to escrow money, we hop on a webinar, you give me a starting place on amazon, and within 60 minutes I will show you at least 1000.00 in profits on items the previous week sold on amazon

(2) We can check dated emails on the mystery of "the secretbrown box"

(3) We can look at Visalus' return policy, and check several ebay sellers accounts I have trained (they will all have the same notations in their descriptions ) and check to see their feedback scores are glowing.


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O.M.G. phone the net police....$97 per MONTH!!!!! About sattelite tv costs? People expect everything handed to them free on the net.

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no i have not bought it..nor will I. I hate dealing with freebie seekers.
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O.M.G. phone the net police....$97 per MONTH!!!!! About sattelite tv costs? People expect everything handed to them free on the net.



no i have not bought it..nor will I. I hate dealing with freebie seekers.
When i am paying monthly for something, i expect something monthly. This course is designed as a multilevel marketing/cum affiate scheme but the content is structured like a course you would buy as a membership site wso. The are running an active affiate scheme so I am just informing warriors so they don't lose their ebay account!
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When i am paying monthly for something, i expect something monthly. This course is designed as a multilevel marketing/cum affiate scheme but the content is structured like a course you would buy as a membership site wso. The are running an active affiate scheme so I am just informing warriors so they don't lose their ebay account!
I'm involved with DS Domination at a pretty base level so let me clarify a few things:
1. Elite users get access to one-click software that auto-locates profitable deals.
2. All Pro and Elite users get access to Live training with LIVE q/A sessions with multiple 6-figure earners.
3. All Pro and Elite get regularly updated videos and changes. In the past 12 days, 9 new videos have been released or updated to accommodate for any changes occurring.
4. All users also get access to make money with the Cash Out offers within the first 15 minutes of joining DSD.

And having an affiliate program is now an affiliate 'scheme'? It's obvious that Linda you did something very wrong and are trying to pin the blame on DSD. First off, take a look at this:



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Ok i'm adding to the discussion here, I am based in the UK and bought the first part of roger langilles course ds domination. I was pitched that they have lots of international sellers so i thought i would give it a try. Firstly after going through the process and opening a shop I learned that ebay requires 90 days after the first sale and at least 10 customer reviews to let you start selling internationally. When i approached roger about that and asked if the next leg of the course which is $97 (a month !!!) would solve that he replied it would, but I waited days to get that answer and by that time Ijust cancelled my pro account as I didn't think a monthly payment for something I couldn't do was worth it. However in the beginning of the process I had found a few items here in the uk which fit rogers criteria and I had listed them.

The result of this was an email from ebay threatening to suspend my account indefinately unless i provided ID and proof of ownership!

After a long conversation today with customer service i found out that this is because they don't allow drop shipping from a new account. Now not everyone may have this experience but at this point in time I'm pretty pissed off.
So you explicitly didn't follow the directions taught, canceled so you couldn't attend the live webinars to get clarified answers, asked if Elite covered the questions you need help with but didn't want to pay for it, and then finally you turn around and try to put it all on DSD. I'm all about helping anyone who needs help but it's ridiculous to expect any success with such an attitude.

Here is eBay's OWN rule on dropshipping:
About product sourcing (drop shipping)

There are literally thousands of people doing this successfully, including such a large number from UK that we're doing special training just for UK users (in addition to an Italian and Irish version too).

As of this writing there are over 3000 users in DSD, with a VAST majority of them reporting exceptional results. You can see quite a few of them here:

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In addition to this, there are people doing over $1k/day with DS Domination right now.

The fact is that if you had just followed the directions, attended the webinars and asked for clarifications on your specific situation and just persevered you'd be getting awesome results. Instead you chose to make false statements and negative comments which helps no one (least of all you!). I want to help, but you'll need to help me with that

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Hitesh, I am not going to argue with you here on the forum, the fact is that I did follow the instructions. It is for others to make up their mind about this course.
Ebay did not have a problem with me dropshipping , what they told me was that as a NEW SELLER I was not allowed to dropship! I have to build up my seller ratings first over time. All I know is that after having 100% good buyer feedback since 2004, within one week of buying your course I stand to lose my account. Of course I'm pissed!
The reason I didn't buy the elite course is that I waited for days to get the answer to this question from Roger and did not get the answer back until the day I unsubscribed from your service.
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Hitesh, I am not going to argue with you here on the forum, the fact is that I did follow the instructions. It is for others to make up their mind about this course.
Ebay did not have a problem with me dropshipping , what they told me was that as a NEW SELLER I was not allowed to dropship! I have to build up my seller ratings first over time. All I know is that after having 100% good buyer feedback since 2004, within one week of buying your course I stand to lose my account. Of course I'm pissed!
The reason I didn't buy the elite course is that I waited for days to get the answer to this question from Roger and did not get the answer back until the day I unsubscribed from your service.
Hi Linda,

I think you definitely skipped or missed the video since it very specifically defines exactly what to do with international accounts before you do the first dropship. After I saw your message I also contacted Roger personally and there is indeed very clear directive on this.
If you want to come back in and confirm yourself you're more than welcome to do so!

Of course ebay will want to re-verify your account and will want to make sure that you are in possession of the products you are selling with a new international account because they want to make sure you are legitimate and they want to protect their buyers. All of this is discussed in the 'first listings' module in DSD with very specific instructions for international sellers. We have a ton of users from Ireland, UK, Japan, Thailand and many other locations doing extremely well (4 figures or more per month) with this, so it is just a little disappointing to see your post.
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I think you definitely skipped or missed the video since it very specifically defines exactly what to do with international accounts before you do the first dropship. After I saw your message I also contacted Roger personally and there is indeed very clear directive on this.
If you want to come back in and confirm yourself you're more than welcome to do so!

Of course ebay will want to re-verify your account and will want to make sure that you are in possession of the products you are selling with a new international account because they want to make sure you are legitimate and they want to protect their buyers. All of this is discussed in the 'first listings' module in DSD with very specific instructions for international sellers. We have a ton of users from Ireland, UK, Japan, Thailand and many other locations doing extremely well (4 figures or more per month) with this, so it is just a little disappointing to see your post.
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Hitesh, this wasn't with an international account, Ebay told me that I couldn't sell internationally for 90 days and that I needed 10 seller feedbacks before i could apply to sell overseas, whereas Roger in his course said just get a few feedbacks.

The reason i contacted roger was to ask if elite solved that problem which he said it did.
However while I was waiting for his reply Ebay then limited my account for doing Rogers' method here in the UK. That's why I unsubscribed!
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One piece of advice for any eBayer's out there is to always have backup eBay accounts ready to go at a moments notice.

As far as I am aware you can have many accounts and eBay do not care. I have many, so if one get's negative feedback I can switch to another account quickly and painlessly.

That's right my main selling account sold over $250,000 sales in a year and had 100% positive feedback.

All you need to do is buy/ or sell a few things to get past the 10 feedback (or is it transactions?) and you are good to go.
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He`s a scammer. I bought the product, ran with it and had huge problems because of his use of prime shipping and brown box service. Asked for a refund and he gave me a song and dance that he had so many orders his merchant account was frozen for 6 months. Even blamed his partner, doubt if he has one. Guys like this usually act alone, after all who would want to be in biz with this jerk. Still waiting for my refund but not holding my breath. Stay away!
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I'm a newbie here so you'll probably eat me up, but I came across this thread looking for seo to promote DS Domination(rogers new program)

NO i didn't read through all of it.

Here's what I can tell you though.

There used to be a brown box co, no longer. That was old training and should've been removed. If you would look at that $47 training some of the websites now have different names even.

Yes he discourages the use of Amazon prime. Training video tells you to only list items with free shipping. Although he says he used it for years.

New company DS Domination.

Yes it is also used as an MLM. But that side is optional.

I split time between Selling on Ebay and Amazon(all from DS training) and advertising DS. Myself included, I know lots of people that are making money with his system. It works.

I don't know how DS works in other countries, yes there is a video explaining it.

Yes there is a monthly fee. Training videos are updated regularly. New tools are added time to time and there are weekly training webinars too to garner the monthly fees....so far.

I know some in this system are making 5-10k a month. But they are seasoned Ebay sellers and/or extremely good network marketers.

As far as Roger the person, I've never met him. His training has made me money so I'm happy with him.
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I have been following the DS Domination system before it became DS Domination. I've been selling on eBay drop shipping for over 2 years. I made $10,000 last month. Scam? Joke? Doesn't work? HARDLY!!!!

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i hate this about the Net.

some guy puts his course together tries his best...then on a forum is "victims name" is it a scam? It's very fair is it? whilst you are at it..why not ask if he's a rapist or something as ludricous? But on the net, anything is allowed.


Only on the net..and sadly trolls seem to attract other trolls. Like a secret troll battle cry and out they come...

OP.......you're he scam and the joke, anonymous competitor probably.
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i hate this about the Net.

some guy puts his course together tries his best...then on a forum is "victims name" is it a scam? It's very fair is it? whilst you are at it..why not ask if he's a rapist or something as ludricous? But on the net, anything is allowed.


Only on the net..and sadly trolls seem to attract other trolls. Like a secret troll battle cry and out they come...

OP.......you're he scam and the joke, anonymous competitor probably.
Roger Langille is really good at what he does!
He doesn't steal money and you will learn more about selling on ebay with him.

But the big picture here is he is a scam artist in my opinion because he offers you a secret service where amazon will ship your items in a plain brown box only if you order through his link which is only an amazon affilate link for him. No plain box nada!

Roger Langille if you're reading this, since you are really good at teaching people how to make money on ebay, why don't you just be honest, don't charge your visalus thing for your tutorial videos and ask your followers to give back by shopping through your affiliate link.

The simple honesty will go a long way my friend but for now your reputation is being tarnished online.


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so does that make him a scam artist?

you decide!
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Roger Langille is really good at what he does!
He doesn't steal money and you will learn more about selling on ebay with him.

But the big picture here is he is a scam artist in my opinion because he offers you a secret service where amazon will ship your items in a plain brown box only if you order through his link which is only an amazon affilate link for him. No plain box nada!

OH! And not only that, to join his videos section you have to sign up with VISALUS for $500.

Roger Langille if you're reading this, since you are really good at teaching people how to make money on ebay, why don't you just be honest, don't charge the $500 visalus thing for your tutorial videos and ask your followers to give back by shopping through your affiliate link.

The simple honesty will go a long way my friend but for now your reputation is being tarnished online.

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so does that make him a scam artist?

you decide!
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Roger Langille is really good at what he does!
He doesn't steal money and you will learn more about selling on ebay with him.

But the big picture here is he is a scam artist in my opinion because he offers you a secret service where amazon will ship your items in a plain brown box only if you order through his link which is only an amazon affilate link for him. No plain box nada!

Roger Langille if you're reading this, since you are really good at teaching people how to make money on ebay, why don't you just be honest, don't charge your visalus thing for your tutorial videos and ask your followers to give back by shopping through your affiliate link.

The simple honesty will go a long way my friend but for now your reputation is being tarnished online.


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so does that make him a scam artist?

you decide!

Okay first off, you're referring to over a year ago when amazon DID ship in a brown box, and when Roger was part of Visalus. Neither one exists now, neither one has been promoted or talked about by Roger for at least 10 months.
There was a time when the plan box thing worked, and it wasn't Roger's affiliate link but the affiliate link of all of his members being rotated (to help them make extra $). But let's say that he offered a service for when you would use his link - did he charge you extra for it? Did it cost you extra? Could you have just used your link instead? You're basically upset that a guy offered a free service that stopped working at some point.

Visalus was a separate company and Roger offered training as a bonus if you joined Visalus, just like many other marketers offer bonuses if you purchase through their affiliate link. You're upset that he didn't give the training for completely free? THAT's your problem? Sheesh...


And to think you begin by saying that Roger is great at his training (ebay) and anyone following it does extremely well. I thought that's what we were discussing here? His training and whether it works? And based on the feedback of roughly 3000+ people, I'd think his training works extremely well.

Anyway to be clear, about a year ago the brown box thing USED to work, it doesn't anymore, and Roger has never offered that since.
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So how do you handle people getting their product in an Amazon box, checking it out and finding it on Amazon for $20 less than they paid? Seems like a sure formula for poor feedback ratings at least.
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After reading this entire thread carefully, with that lot of contradictory comments and all the risks related to these methods, should be crazy if I get into this kind of business. But it's just my thought. Good luck to all of you. Thank you Warrior Forum!
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I am an experienced ebayer and know this much. I accept nothing less than getting 5 star dsr and do everything I can to get higher in the rankings. I am having trouble figuring out where I can get my products for less and how. I am currently selling a few related products, but am running out of supply. I just need to know how I can go about getting more.
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1. I own an eBay business where I import products from Asia, and I can tell you this method SUCKS! Having to deal with the Asian's is terrible. They wake up when Americans go to bed, so unless you don't have a job, and stay up all hours of the night.. good luck in talking with them. Not to mention all of the other headaches: time in finding the products, negotiating the prices, shipping the items..(mail/sea), dealing with forwarders, import duties, taking the time to post eBay ads, dealing with customers, returns, shipping, packaging.. etc..
2.. Obviously drop shipping doesn't work

So I'm back where I started...
@bighooters Where can you buy products to sell at high profit margins? Direct from the factory in China, but you won't find genuine manufacturers on the popular sourcing sites recommended so often on this forum.

They list thousands of traders masquerading as manufacturers. There are a handful of sites that do list genuine manufacturers and it is possible to buy small quantities direct from them if you take the right approach. I have written extensively on this subject in other threads.

@ mfg Importing from Asia only sucks if you are buying from the wrong sources that you found on the wrong sourcing websites. See what I wrote above.

I have people in 20 countries successfully and happily importing from Asia and making substantial profits.

I ran an importing business for 22 years until health enforced retirement and I franchised it in four countries. Most of the imports were from Asia, and my franchisees could not have been happier. Barest minimum profit was 60%, but often it was a lot more.

My best sale was a single order for $21,000 and my total cost was $3,000. One of my franchisees beat that by a long way.

It seems to me that you did your importing the hard way that is so often taught by "experts" who sell how to books based on research but not experience.
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I've purchased products from China that cost me just over $1 (with packaging it was close to $2) but I sold them retail for 16 (about $25)

You need to know how to do it properly to make it successful.
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You need to know how to do it properly to make it successful.
Thanks Ecommerce Advice. It is good to hear from someone with real experience who can verify that what I say about immense profit margins by direct importing is true.

Now that you have told of your experience I feel bold enough to report the deal that one of my franchisees made that far outshone my $21,000 sale with a total cost of $3,000 .

He made a single sale of $57,000 and his total cost in round figures, was $7,000. He wrote to me saying "It's nice to make that occasional $50,000 for half a days work." Yes I have his letter on file, sent to me by snail mail and with his signature on it. He actually got a repeat order for the same amount.

I would never suggest everyone can make that sort of money, but it does prove the point that importing direct from the manufacturer can produce massive profits beyond the wildest dreams of resellers who buy from dropshippers and wholesalers or who work their butts off in arbitrage.
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So how do you handle people getting their product in an Amazon box, checking it out and finding it on Amazon for $20 less than they paid? Seems like a sure formula for poor feedback ratings at least.
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You don't. You can't avoid that, and after looking at over 100,000+ feedbacks left, only about 1% ever say anything negative about that.
The problem is that most people don't seem to realize at first that Amazon > eBay is a stepping stone. you do that to get your feet wet and then go grow out from there into many other suppliers and marketplaces.
Finally, at the final steps you can source products directly from a manufacturer or just a step away from the manufacturer himself.

Anyone can 'teach' the idea behind ecommerce. Find a good product, get it made cheap, buy it in bulk, sell it at a higher price.
The problem is that this it carries significant upfront investment and massive risk along with technical training. If you are one of the .5% of the people that possess the ability to do this, go for it. For the rest, you need a pathway to start generating small profits immediately, then use those to fund better margins, and eventually turn it into a mega-business if you so will.
That's the idea behind DS Domination and the process is set up to take a person through these steps. If you're hung up on just the Amazon > eBay part, you're missing the big picture.
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Anyone can 'teach' the idea behind ecommerce. Find a good product, get it made cheap, buy it in bulk, sell it at a higher price.
The problem is that this it carries significant upfront investment and massive risk along with technical training. If you are one of the .5% of the people that possess the ability to do this, go for it. For the rest, you need a pathway to start generating small profits immediately, then use those to fund better margins, and eventually turn it into a mega-business if you so will.
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The idea that starting off requires a significant investment is contrary to the experience of many of the people who follow my system.

They have started off with very small funds and having researched the product they want to sell, particularly the key factors of saleability, and selling costs, they put their profits back into increasing order sizes.

If by technical training you mean the importing process, I can confidently state that anyone can do it with a very small amount of instruction. Not only my current book buyers, but I have based my system on what I taught my franchisees in 4 countries and for 22 years until I retired that system proved itself.

Choosing the product to sell is the hard part. Safely sourcing that product direct from real manufacturers is easy if you know how, and where to look. The importing process is the really easy part.
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The idea that starting off requires a significant investment is contrary to the experience of many of the people who follow my system.

They have started off with very small funds and having researched the product they want to sell, particularly the key factors of saleability, and selling costs, they put their profits back into increasing order sizes.

If by technical training you mean the importing process, I can confidently state that anyone can do it with a very small amount of instruction. Not only my current book buyers, but I have based my system on what I taught my franchisees in 4 countries and for 22 years until I retired that system proved itself.

Choosing the product to sell is the hard part. Safely sourcing that product direct from real manufacturers is easy if you know how, and where to look. The importing process is the really easy part.
Ah so you're selling a 'system' for importing goods and selling them, THAT's why you have issues you're airing on this thread

That's all we needed. Thanks for stopping by.
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That's all we needed. Thanks for stopping by.
No Hitesh,

I don't have a system for importing and selling goods. I have a system based on real experience that teaches how to safely source any product after a person has carefully chosen what product they intend selling.

I teach how to buy small quantities if they want to, even if the manufacturer quotes a big MOQ.

I teach how to be sure they are getting the best possible price. On 23rd, one Warrior posted on this thread about having bought a product from China for an all up cost of $2 and is selling those items for $25. That is what is possible if you buy direct from real manufacturers.

I teach how to import the easy way.

I have never claimed to teach how to sell. I leave that to others.

You are selling a system to teach people how to buy and sell, and many people have posted responses covering a wide range of subjects. My posts have been in response to people with questions like bighooters: "I just need to know how I can go about getting more". Of course I can show people where to get more and how to do it safely and with huge profit margins.

I have also responded to people like mfg who wrote: I own an eBay business where I import products from Asia, and I can tell you this method SUCKS! I could not let that pass because I and a very large number of people have proven over a long period of time that importing from Asia can work very easily and smoothly and generate massive profits, provided as Ecommerce Advice wrote: "You need to know how to do it properly to make it successful.", and those who follow the methods I explain in my book do know how to do it properly.

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The video clearly tells you to list three or more personal items on your ebay account 'before' listing any 'drop shipping' products... You've skipped the course and like many in this thread become hyper negative trying to justify the fact you haven't gone through the course in detail or you're looking for an excuse to refund...
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The video clearly tells you to list three or more personal items on your ebay account 'before' listing any 'drop shipping' products... You've skipped the course and like many in this thread become hyper negative trying to justify the fact you haven't gone through the course in detail or you're looking for an excuse to refund...



QUOTE=linda75;8533624]Hitesh, this wasn't with an international account, Ebay told me that I couldn't sell internationally for 90 days and that I needed 10 seller feedbacks before i could apply to sell overseas, whereas Roger in his course said just get a few feedbacks.

The reason i contacted roger was to ask if elite solved that problem which he said it did.
However while I was waiting for his reply Ebay then limited my account for doing Rogers' method here in the UK. That's why I unsubscribed![/QUOTE]
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You dont need a MLM program to sell amazon products on ebay. And if you are waiting for real help from Roger Langille, good luck.
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I have tried the DS Domination course of Roger.

The method that Roger taught is working but it is time consuming to find profitable Amazon products to sell on eBay. The profit is low i.e. for a 59.99 items sold, you get $3 profit after fees. But you can find high price items for higher profit margin.

Another drawback is that Amazon and third party sellers (fullfilled by Amazon) were raising price often. Like in this December month many items prices have increased $10 or $15. If you sold any items that prices have increased, you will lose $5 - $10 on the transaction.

The course is best for US experienced ebay sellers. It is not really for new International eBay sellers. I have experienced it and read a lot of other international seller experiences (not DS domination sellers). Whether your account is new or passed 90 days, you will be limited to 5 or 10 items per month if you list in US ebay.

But for UK eBay sellers, I think they can just list in UK ebay, since there were Amazon UK they can drop ship.

Roger did say you can contact eBay to increase limit but if you are an international eBay seller that list an item location in US and ship to US only, it will be risky to contact them. They will actually look into your account and ask for proof of ownership of merchandise. If you show them your Amazon invoice as proof, you probably stay in the selling limit forever or worst they will suspend you.

Finally I think it will be saturated in few year time since more and more sellers are going to drop ship from Amazon and sell on eBay. Roger doesn't bother to close his course to limited membership.
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Another drawback is that Amazon and third party sellers (fullfilled by Amazon) were raising price often. Like in this December month many items prices have increased $10 or $15. If you sold any items that prices have increased, you will lose $5 - $10 on the transaction.
This is the problem we ran into as well and is why we created this tool called DropShipToolBox.com
It makes the process fairly easy to monitor price changes at multiple sources and always keeps you updated as to what your profit is. It's easy to catch products that are no longer profitable to sell and no more excuses to customers or having to cancel orders. Currently free and in beta testing.

I also started a thread here for discussing this tool in more detail.

http://www.warriorforum.com/building...ml#post8775209
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It sounds very useful. I went ahead and signed up. Thanks for the free tool.

Update: You have to add your ebay username into it.
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It was clear from the beginning of this thread that AuctionDebtEliminator had Roger Langille correctly pegged as a fraud.
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I'm not out here to peg anyone as a fraud, cheat, nor anything like that. I don't think that's right.

All I am here to do is teach correct principles, and do math.

People can make their own conclusions from there.
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This is coming from personal experience, Roger's program works. I began earlier this month and have put minimal time and effort into it. I'm still trying to figure everything out and I have made seven sales all with at least a ten dollar profit a piece. Now obviously, $70 isn't exactly a fortune but for only putting a couple minutes of work in a day I'd say it's more than worth it. Also, Roger is great with customer service. I submitted a question I had and had an answer within the next day.
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