Roger Langille?

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Hey Warriors, anybody have any info on this guy? Someone sent me to a pre-recorded webinar of him talking about his Amazon/Ebay arbritage system. Sounded interesting, but a simple internet search brought up some not so nice things. Is this system played out? Any experience with his membership site? I think its like 47 bucks to start. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
    Roger Langille?

    He doesn't work.

    I can pick him apart in a couple of easy seconds.

    I'll even give you s sneak peak as to why signing up for him won't won't work at all.

    The guy advocates signing up for suppliers using 'their descriptions' and 'their products' and selling it for a higher price.

    Well, here's the problem with doing a 'push to eBay' system: You will be EXACTLY the same as every one else. You will not set yourself apart from anyone else and you will have no skills in undercutting any of your competition.

    He doesn't go into finding any market worth and finding any profitability off that market worth. He advocates selling items blindly from suppliers basically utilizing their prices.

    The problem is, you have to take a DATA-based approach.

    DON'T BE PUSHED AROUND WITH DROPSHIPPERS! As a retailer, YOU are in the driver's seat. You are in charge. YOU set the pricing - but you need to set the pricing based on ACTUAL market worth of the items LESS deductions - including negotiated costs to acquire.

    Roger Langille doesn't teach this.

    His is a 'push button' method that loses people lots of money in insertion fees because there is no research methodology before hand... Sad really, because that is the underlying success method I've taught hundreds of people how to exploit.

    In addition, you need to have a sales history BEFORE going into dropshipping anyway! I've taught how to bridge that gap for years - something Roger never touches upon.

    How on earth can you dropship without negotiation leverage?!

    Exactly, Roger, Exactly.

    I just smile.
    • Profile picture of the author carlgaudet
      Hey Man i am an unexperience ebay Amazon sellers , also a Roger Langille "ds domination Student" and i did make sales doing what he teach....i also believe you dind t buy all the products of his and also dind t watch live webinars....althought a big part of what you said his right considering that he make it as simple as possible but you can sell with the same description ofothers sellers... i know that stading out is the best way and he also teaches that but more standing out by the keyword reaserch"keyword targeting" i am an seo guys and it make sense to Me.....anyway just saying that what h teache work and now it becomes even more insane...and he his not teaching the same way selling on amazon and on Ebay!

      I Learned a lot with Ds and it s cool so My point of view his This , Ebay and Amazon Trust elimanate a lot of hassle so even if you don t have the best description if your title rocks and you target original worth it keyword, you still make money Just have to take more action " i take more time on the item that sell most that s it" ....you should take a look at the guy a little deeper wish you the best Man !
    • Profile picture of the author dmorrow
      Roger Langille's training works. Period. He is trustworthy, and cares about his members. If people won't put in the time to research products, list them correctly, make sure they adjust their listings for price fluctuations, out of stocks, etc, they won't be successful.

      Roger has taught us to not use Prime for filling our orders for years now. Ebay has no problem with dropshippers. They know we list with Amazon and many other websites as our sources. They are fine with it.

      Ebay also will not allow a buyer to leave negative feedback based on where we order the item from. There is training for how to handle buyer disatisfaction in the rare case when it happens, as well as how to give top notch custome service for every buyer. This keeps Ebay and the buyers happy.

      In 2.5 years as of this reply, I have never had a buyer complain because his purchase arrived in an Amazon box, with a gift receipt instead of an invoice. This business works, folks. Honestly.
  • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
    Has anyone else used him?

    I'm smack on the mouth with this analysis.
  • Profile picture of the author djackson
    I havent but I heard of him, and its along the lines of what auction is saying
  • Profile picture of the author Joshster
    I edited my comment since I didn't feel it added positively to this thread.

    My main concern is the rather sketchy advice regarding using Prime, which is completely against Amazon's TOS.

    This is a deal breaker since I am not willing to put my Amazon account in jeopardy

    It was also mentioned that there was a way to get Prime for free, I did not see this answered anywhere - unless this is referring to the various free trial's, which are well known about.
  • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
    Hmmm. I heard Roger's webinar just today and I read this thread, and honestly I don't see that much here that negates what he is apparently teaching. I have not signed up but may try it under the refund guarantee.

    As I see it there is easy proof you can see for yourself that people are making money on ebay selling amazon stuff for more than it sells for on amazon, and thus making money. If this is true (I will check into this shortly myself) then it is do-able and scalable.

    If Roger teaches the nuances of this system then I don't see why it would not be a good course.

    My two questions which make me wonder, and which I have to get answered for certain before signing up for Roger's training, are:

    1) Is it a violation of Amazon TOS to drop-ship stuff free to people using amazon prime? (If it is, I don't necessarily have a problem with the system - you could still theoretically make money by buying low and selling high, even with the shipping cost added in.) What I have more of a problem with is IF Roger is lying about being able to do this without violating Amazon Prime TOS.

    2) Is it true you can have stuff sent in plain brown boxes, not amazon boxes? I know you can send it as a gift and not have the price show that way; but can you have amazon send it in a plain brown box? I have never heard of it, and at least one comment on the web I found states that amazon said this is not possible.

    So to me, these are 2 issues that I need to find out about before purchasing Roger's training, as I don't want to have to refund; I'd rather find out the answers for sure, first, and then join or not join based on those answers. I have written Roger to ask him about this; we'll see if I get a response and what it is.

    But as I said, the system makes sense to me if indeed people buy stuff on ebay that is higher priced than you can get it on amazon or other sources such as Sears. If that's true then I see no reason why one could not make money by scaling this system.

    Since I just heard about this today I really don't know much about it, but it certainly sounds like it may have potential as a business.
  • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
    SEOsoldier-

    In Amazon's TOS for Amazon Prime does explicitly say that is is against their policy to dropship items.

    Here is the direct quote:

    "Amazon Prime isn't available for customers who purchase products for the purpose of resale or use Amazon Prime to ship products to their customers or potential customers."


    You can check out the link here:

    Amazon.com Help: About Amazon Prime
  • Profile picture of the author Drew Trainor
    Those are some good points Intervine... he seems desperate. You can learn a lot more from the dropshipping threads here on the Forum.
  • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
    Yeah, you're right - and I'm not one to report them - I'm just a little suspicious of 'him' claiming that he's only had '2 refunds in the last 12 months' when 9 indicated that they've refunded.

    That was a red flag.

    I'm all for people doing their investigations and homework - I'm glad they do as all people should make honest, data-based, informed decisions.

    I just didn't think it was in 'Roger's' best judgement to 'out' what his sellers were selling and doing.

    Personally, I think there should be a mentor/student confidentiality and trust where you should never tell people who they are.

    That almost gets a larger 'a-hole' award than 'reporting them for what they do'.

    It also violates the 'live and let live' principle.

    In addition, a 'money back guarantee' is great and all, but that cannot get your banned eBay account back. Big harm, big foul.
    • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      Yeah, you're right - and I'm not one to report them - I'm just a little suspicious of 'him' claiming that he's only had '2 refunds in the last 12 months' when 9 indicated that they've refunded.

      That was a red flag.

      I'm all for people doing their investigations and homework - I'm glad they do as all people should make honest, data-based, informed decisions.

      I just didn't think it was in 'Roger's' best judgement to 'out' what his sellers were selling and doing.

      Personally, I think there should be a mentor/student confidentiality and trust where you should never tell people who they are.

      That almost gets a larger 'a-hole' award than 'reporting them for what they do'.

      It also violates the 'live and let live' principle.

      In addition, a 'money back guarantee' is great and all, but that cannot get your banned eBay account back. Big harm, big foul.

      A few things - I've gone through the course, seen it in action, seen it work for others and seen feedback from a TON of users. When I held the webinar with Roger, he stayed on for 1.5 hours just answering questions and clarifying things to all the users. I've also seen him hold additional free webinars for his buyers when there are any pertinent changes.

      The individual 'auctiondebteliminator' is clearly a competitor and repeatedly tries to tell people to purchase his product instead. Further, there are a lot of things he's mentioned that I know are incorrect (because I can see in the member's area that they are addressed by Roger in the training).
      It's kinda bizarre that majority of the posts on this thread are from auctiondebteliminator when he seems to not have actually gone through Roger's training (and if he has, is purposefully misrepresenting certain parts).

      I had Roger pull me into skype conversations with his students to confirm the success of his students myself too. Here's one of them, Troy that was in skype group:

      "Just wanted to give a huge THANK YOU for over delivering on your promises. At first I was a little hesitant to say "yes" to you because of the unbelievable amount of programs on the internet today that just do not work. I was also thinking, "how am I supposed to tell my wife that I'm getting into yet... another program". I mustered up the courage, said "screw it", got started, and because of that my life has drastically changed. Today I'm a power seller on eBay with almost $100K of inventory listed. I have my phone set to make a "cha-ching" sound every time an item on eBay sells. I hear that sound a lot and for some reason... It just never gets old!"

      Clearly auctiondebteliminator has his own reasons for participating in this thread as much as he has been with blatant self promotion. It's one thing to promote your product/service, quite another to put down someone else to lure buyers to oneself. I'm of half a mind to report some of posts as they are certainly misleading and incorrect if not outright slanderous.

      One more note -- while I did hold a webinar with Roger, I'm not clarifying this for the sake of any commissions. You are free to purchase it/not purchase it and you will not find any affiliates links in my post. As someone who has published products as well, I just find it disgusting and pathetic when competitors misrepresent others to try and get ahead.
  • Profile picture of the author Rob Casavant
    I will say I bought Roger Langille's basic training a few months ago. So I will say a few things. Yes, the "link" to go to Amazon is an affiliate cookie. You can actually see who the affiliate is if you try hard enough. I believe it is one of his family members that he mentions in one of the videos. It is almost like putting affiliate links in a free eBook. The person is going to Amazon anyhow...why not go through an affiliate link that does not affect you one bit. Once I found out it was an affiliate link gateway, I still continued to use it cause that's how I roll. Now I use a friends Amazon affiliate gateway since he lost his job and his wife is terminally ill.

    But the fact is that the method actually does work. Works pretty well too. But with me, I am trying to focus on other things right now. I found one product that sells about once or twice a month, I would make around $11 profit each time and the listing would cost $0.50. So that's not bad I think. The 2 months I did it, I only did around 20 listings. Half were 30 day ads which cost $0.50 a piece. The other half were free 7 day ads. (You get 50 free 7 day ads each month from ebay). A few times the 30 day ads would sell and would have to relist the item.

    I made around $80 profit after around $5.00 for listing fees and several more dollars for ebay fees.

    So, I did in fact make money and it was super easy. This alone puts it ahead of many trashy WSOs I have seen around. As to doing this long term.... ehhh not sure if that's a great idea. as people have mentioned about losing their amazon and ebay accounts, but at least I got a return on my investment and more and could set it back in motion by even just relisting the few sellers I did have.

    Character or methods aside, I made money. Just now I am focused on other projects.
    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by Rob Casavant View Post

      Yes, the "link" to go to Amazon is an affiliate cookie. You can actually see who the affiliate is if you try hard enough. I believe it is one of his family members that he mentions in one of the videos. It is almost like putting affiliate links in a free eBook. The person is going to Amazon anyhow...why not go through an affiliate link that does not affect you one bit.
      Because that's against Amazon's Associates Program Operating Agreement?
  • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
    And there in was one of my issues.

    He doesn't go into finding any market worth and finding any profitability off that market worth. He advocates selling items blindly from suppliers basically utilizing their prices without going into a deductions versus actual market worth of the items using basic economic principles that are VITAL to any business.

    It's dangerous to look at an item and say: "This is selling on eBay for higher than it's selling on Amazon - I must make a profit off of it, then". Because it's not as simple as that.

    A lot of people sell on eBay, only to realize that they took a loss on the item AFTER they sold it.

    In fact, on poster above us indicated:

    "I also bought Roger's basic training. Honestly, I did make some money, but not enough to make it worth it.
    Half of the time the amazon price would go up and I would end up losing."

    This constant vigilance on a 'moving cost to acquire' wouldn't be an attractive business model for me, at all.

    I prefer to know EXACTLY what my profit is BEFORE I acquire, list, sell, ship, or even approach an item. Data and numbers don't lie, and 'stick-a-finger-in-the-wind' approaches can be fatal to businesses.
    • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      And there in was one of my issues.

      He doesn't go into finding any market worth and finding any profitability off that market worth. He advocates selling items blindly from suppliers basically utilizing their prices without going into a deductions versus actual market worth of the items using basic economic principles that are VITAL to any business.

      It's dangerous to look at an item and say: "This is selling on eBay for higher than it's selling on Amazon - I must make a profit off of it, then". Because it's not as simple as that.

      A lot of people sell on eBay, only to realize that they took a loss on the item AFTER they sold it.

      In fact, on poster above us indicated:

      "I also bought Roger's basic training. Honestly, I did make some money, but not enough to make it worth it.
      Half of the time the amazon price would go up and I would end up losing."

      This constant vigilance on a 'moving cost to acquire' wouldn't be an attractive business model for me, at all.

      I prefer to know EXACTLY what my profit is BEFORE I acquire, list, sell, ship, or even approach an item. Data and numbers don't lie, and 'stick-a-finger-in-the-wind' approaches can be fatal to businesses.
      But if, as I said, the product being sold is being sold at a much higher price - say there is a $30-40+ gap - then wouldn't one be very likely to make money off it and not lose? And what if one seeks out products that a) often sell on ebay for a certain price and b) are available always at a cheaper price ?

      Seems to me this can work, and I suspect there is one of 2 (or more) reasons if it doesn't work:
      1) people are not doing the research to find those high-profit items that don't tend to fluctuate in price
      2) it is extremely (near impossible?) to find such items.

      Roger did show some examples on his webinar of such items. I would not be surprised if those were hand picked ahead of time, but it did prove that such items do exist. I guess the thing to do would be to search diligently for such items and if you can't find them, then don't do this business.
  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Burritt
    Here's a different perspective:

    I have spoken with Roger on several occasions. He is not a newbie. He knows something about marketing. He is not afraid to be successful.

    Unfortunately, a lot of people on this forum are just too afraid to ever stick their neck out for anything. Whether or not Roger is the dropshipping guru is irrelevant. He's got a good track record of helping people believe in a system and take action. This is the most important thing you must do to have any success in anything. Believe in it enough to actually go do it.

    I personally recommended a lady to Roger's course. She was desperately seeking a way to make extra income. She asked me if I thought his $47 course was worth it, and I told her 'yes, if she actually took action.' Well a few weeks later she personally called and told me that she was selling a few items and making money. Not a lot of money, but so what. She was so excited to be having some success in IM.

    So, while I wasn't personally excited about the potential amounts she was aspiring to with the techniques Roger teaches, it certainly gave her realistic hope based upon her profits thus far.
  • Profile picture of the author jsanmiguel
    I rarely post here, only when I have problems (like my sniper/EMD sites)... due to my very limited time to do IM, I'm getting impatient with sniping and SEO (although I'm making money already but not enough to quit my day job)

    That is why today, I'm really thinking of buying the basic&advance training of Roger. He was endorsed by Hitesh whom I recently bought a good SEO training. So I thought Roger's training is also good but I was surprised that there are negative feedback against Roger... now I'm having second thoughts... still weighing both positive and negative feedbacks.
  • Profile picture of the author jsanmiguel
    For those who already bought the system, does it contain tips or address the issue of having a new ebay account (i.e. good number of positive feedback)? Especially an international account (outside U.S.)?

    Thanks...
  • Profile picture of the author Bobby Guerilla
    Roger Langille is very talented....... At SCAMMING PEOPLE!

    I signed up for his eBay training program about 2 years ago. At the time, my eBay store was doing pretty well generating at least $800 profit a month, but I wanted to take it to the next level and landed on Roger's site and took the plunge.

    Basically, he teaches you how to take products from amazon to list on eBay for a profit.
    What he is really doing, he has a site set up called "secretbrownbox" that supposedly will tell amazon to send this package in a box WITHOUT THE AMAZON LOGO.

    He is just an amazon affiliate who makes a profit of 4 - 7% every single time you buy an item through his link. Genius plan but a pure scam artist BUT WAIT!! That's not all.

    Once you are a member of his eBay profit site, he will try to upsell you into this thing called "Visalus" and the minimum purchase to join is $500 & something like $200 a month.

    He tells you by joining Visalus with him, you will have full access to all of his tools on how to make a killing on eBay and he will be there to coach you and walk you through everything.
    Once you join Visalus, Roger tries to completely steer you off of eBay ( I guess this is so you don't find out that the truth about this plain box) & advices you to stick with Visalus instead you will make so much more money.

    Genius again, when you use his amazon link he might make as much as $25 a month on your behalf but with Visalus, he WILL MAKE at least $150 a month on you.

    So after a while my eBay store suffered tremendously, i went from 100% feedback score to 80% within 2 months. I was issuing refunds for 1 of every 3 products sold.
    eBay clients complained because they would order from eBay, receive an amazon box and go to amazon and see that the item they bought from me on ebay was selling for $35 less on amazon.

    They called me a scam artist & went to town on the feedbacks.

    The war between me & Roger now, I tried to get at least my $500 Visalus refund but no reply, I tried calling, emailing and never got a reply the minute I told him I wanted out.

    Roger Langille officially made at least $3000 on me alone! Between his amazon scam which I was ordering at least $10 items a day from, His visalus $500 sign up $150 a month for like 5 months & being a member of his coaching program which was something like $57 a month.

    And he must of had at least 10000 people doing the same

    Sorry for the looonng post I just don't want any of you out there to get sucked in by this money hungry Vampire.

    Anyway, you live and you learn I'm back on eBay now and things are going very well no thanks to Roger.

    Take care warriors and I hope this review was helpful & by the way as far as Visalus, I don't know how legit they are I'm just sharing my personal experience with Roger.

    But I wouldn't join them anyway.

    Bobby Guerrilla
  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    Not heard of they guy.
  • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
    Hey Auctiondebteliminator, where'd you go? I am waiting for your reply to #38.I'd really like to know the figures you came up with on that.
  • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
    It's a fair question to ask -

    But impossible to answer - because I do not know certain variables-- one VERY important one is 'cost to acquire'.

    I can't venture a guess on how much they MADE without that deduction.

    However, calculating opportunity cost lost IS easy to calculate based on the 20% lost discount based on the average sold price.

    This is because the eBay and Paypal fees are derived from the sold price of the item - and the acquired price isn't a factor in this.

    You essentially take the difference in what the discount would have been in the 2 sales and multiply it by implied sales derived from feedback - those are based on ACTUAL numbers.
    • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      It's a fair question to ask -

      But impossible to answer - because I do not know certain variables-- one VERY important one is 'cost to acquire'.

      I can't venture a guess on how much they MADE without that deduction.

      However, calculating opportunity cost lost IS easy to calculate based on the 20% lost discount based on the average sold price.

      This is because the eBay and Paypal fees are derived from the sold price of the item - and the acquired price isn't a factor in this.

      You essentially take the difference in what the discount would have been in the 2 sales and multiply it by implied sales derived from feedback - those are based on ACTUAL numbers.
      Right. I see now why you can more accurately gauge the other factors.
  • Profile picture of the author ATL
    Warning on Langille. He's just an overall shady dude. I bought his course last year. Actually he had it listed on his website as a free ebay course. There was a contact form but you had to leave your phone number. Out of desperation I left my number and he did call. He asked how much money I had to invest which is an ok question. He then said that he only wanted to work with a limited number of people and also I would need to sign up under him in the Visalus MLM company that he is a member of before getting access to the ebay training. A little different approach but I thought it was ok since it would be the same thing as me buying the ebay course for the price of the Visalus MLM opportunity which was around $500. Langille said he would have to call me back because he had meetings or something to go to and didn't let me know on the spot if I could get on with the Visalus which would give me the ebay training. I decided to test Langille and had my girlfriend submit her name and number into his contact form on his website. How about he called in a few minutes and gave her the same spill. Here I was desperate and broke and Langille decides to run some time delay game on me. I still ended up getting the course eventually by signing up to his Visalus MLM. Turned out the EBay course by Langille was not white hat. It was gray hat which is black hat to me because I don't lie to people. Langille states that when someone wants a refund to make up a story about you've been checking into the issue with the postal service for them and everything will be ok. Then he said to tell them the box is all damaged and send them a picture of some google image of a damaged product box. I don't roll like that and don't lie to people so that turned me off. To add to it, Langille ebay program is against Amazons TOS. They clearly state that you can't use the images of there products to sell them elsewhere. Langille wants you to steal the photo from Amazon and put it on EBAY. Looks like a lot of people are stealing images but I want everything I do to be on the up and up. Long story short proceed with caution and I wouldn't do it unless you like lying and light weight theft….I want to know from this guy with the auction eliminator if his system is WHITE HAT or not. Where are you getting you ITems to sell? Are you stealing images? Are you breaking anyones TOS? Let me know before I by and I would suggest everyone else on here to demand these answers before dropping the $47 bucks on Debt Eliminators course….#We Are Waiting!
  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Yeah, AuctionDebtEliminator's course provides a good entry into how eBay works and their ranking works. It shows you how to pre-qualify a product to maximise your chance of selling it at an expected/desired profit. It also shows you that you don't have to compete against the stupidly priced products. It isn't a product/niche discovery course but what it does it does well.
  • Profile picture of the author ScrooG
    I am curious as to whether those of you who are having success with ebay using auctioneliminator's course have to have a storage space of some sort in order to make it work and whether you have to devote a lot of time to boxing, packing and shipping.

    I am not against work, it's just that I worked as a shipping/ receiving guy before and that's not my thing, and also I don't have ANY room to store products.

    Also, how much money are you making on ebay?
    • Profile picture of the author Auctiondebteliminator
      Originally Posted by ScrooG View Post

      I am curious as to whether those of you who are having success with ebay using auctioneliminator's course have to have a storage space of some sort in order to make it work and whether you have to devote a lot of time to boxing, packing and shipping.

      I am not against work, it's just that I worked as a shipping/ receiving guy before and that's not my thing, and also I don't have ANY room to store products.

      Also, how much money are you making on ebay?

      One thing you'll notice with my system is that I emphasize GREATLY that you NEVER do anything unless 'numbers make the decisions for you'.

      For example, if you researched that IF you needed to drive 40 miles to pick up and item for a 10 dollar profit, you wouldn't do it.

      However, if you researched you'd have to drive 40 miles for a 420 dollar profit, then of COURSE you'd do it.

      Now, if that required you to go to the post office just once? Would that disqualify the profit potential?

      One thing people forget a lot of the time is that the post man comes to your house every day.

      However, there are a LOT of other ways to make money on eBay. And for some reason, people think that dropshipping for 'convenience' is the way to go.

      However, if you're selling 200 items, for a 10 dollar profit - where it takes 5 minutes to process, and 5 minutes for accounting and invoicing, that is a total of 30 dollars an hour.

      However, if you can sell 3-5 items for 1000 dollars in profit - that is a LOT more attractive to me. With a lot less time investment.
    • Profile picture of the author lkcheng
      I have tried the DS Domination course of Roger.

      The method that Roger taught is working but it is time consuming to find profitable Amazon products to sell on eBay. The profit is low i.e. for a 59.99 items sold, you get $3 profit after fees. But you can find high price items for higher profit margin.

      Another drawback is that Amazon and third party sellers (fullfilled by Amazon) were raising price often. Like in this December month many items prices have increased $10 or $15. If you sold any items that prices have increased, you will lose $5 - $10 on the transaction.

      The course is best for US experienced ebay sellers. It is not really for new International eBay sellers. I have experienced it and read a lot of other international seller experiences (not DS domination sellers). Whether your account is new or passed 90 days, you will be limited to 5 or 10 items per month if you list in US ebay.

      But for UK eBay sellers, I think they can just list in UK ebay, since there were Amazon UK they can drop ship.

      Roger did say you can contact eBay to increase limit but if you are an international eBay seller that list an item location in US and ship to US only, it will be risky to contact them. They will actually look into your account and ask for proof of ownership of merchandise. If you show them your Amazon invoice as proof, you probably stay in the selling limit forever or worst they will suspend you.

      Finally I think it will be saturated in few year time since more and more sellers are going to drop ship from Amazon and sell on eBay. Roger doesn't bother to close his course to limited membership.

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