MLM Yes or No?

honestbizpro · 04-12-2009, 08:27 PM

I know one thing...

Leverage is King. If you can multiply your efforts you will be successful.

I know another thing...

MLM has the most here today gone tommorow hit it and quit it scammers on the internet.

What is hot and credible in regards to MLM, and will still be here this time next year?

brp002 · 04-12-2009, 08:33 PM

I think blogging is the big thing that is in right now. Since you can start free from wordpress or blogspot and build your SEO to generate great money using Adwords and amazon and other affiliate programs

Loren Woirhaye · 04-12-2009, 09:34 PM

I have a video in my marketing system where I
reveal the truth about leverage in network marketing -
it's very often misunderstood and many people lose
a lot of money and waste their time because of
the misunderstanding.

Here's the link to check it out:
Start Making Money - Start Making Money

- I've written about the issues and how to solve
them in your own business many times - you
really cannot depend on your company or your
payplan to get you leverage - there are specific
choices and actions that make it possible.

honestbizpro · 04-12-2009, 09:54 PM

Hey Loren,

I like your video you seem like you are keeping it real.

I know that in a MLM I would want Superstars or to train them to be.

I also know giving a downline the tools and resources they need is cruical to my success and their success.

I was checking out a Jonathan Budd video as well. I just want to avoid MLM jumping from one opportunity to another I am really thinking long term.

I really prefer the non phone calls type of MLM.

Loren Woirhaye · 04-12-2009, 10:35 PM

you gotta talk to people. Sorry. You do. That's how you
keep it real. You can filter out most of the people who
aren't the ones you want with better marketing though -
which can get intricate.

If you start out saying "I wanna sit at home and poke buttons"
you cut out a whole world of possibilities - talk - in terms
of seminars, coaching, creating info-products, and building
relationships with customers and partners - is where it's
at. I've sold the automated cr@apdish in the past and
the problem is if you run around telling people they don't
have to speak to anybody about the business, then they
won't, and you won't see growth because they'll leave
your team and join another company under a more
inspirational leader.

Just my experience. I made a choice to focus on training
winners instead of just recruiting or making personal
sales.

Elliott · 04-13-2009, 06:14 PM

I've heard there are some heavy-duty IMers making good money with a Greeting Card mlm, and that this is one of the very few mlms they would touch with a 10-foot pole.... I'm not sure what it's called - something like SendCards.

Elliott

wbnetwork · 04-13-2009, 06:18 PM

I think direct sales companies are more stable right now than MLM. The internet has harmed mlm as much as it has helped the industry. it seems like every company is in "pre launch", and network marketers are jumping from one opportunity to another, and taking their downlines with them, to "get in on the ground floor" of a new mlm. I am in a direct sales network marketing company that focuses strictly on internet marketing, and to me that makes more sense right now in these times.

wbnetwork · 04-13-2009, 06:19 PM

Send Out Cards is the company you are talking about.

Robert Oliver · 04-13-2009, 07:29 PM

The problem with most people joining a mlm company is they
do not do their homework. They jump in because a close friend
or relative got them to the business meeting and they have no
clue what to do once they get in. Hell, their upline has no clue
either in most cases.

A reputable mlm has got to have products that are priced right
and that you would buy even though a payplan was not attached
to it. Most mlm product are very overpriced. You can often find
equal or better products at the corner store as cheap or cheaper.
There are a few companies out there that have products that
are competitive with retail stores. You must be able to retail
products also to have success and to stay within the FTC rules and
regulations. That is very hard to do with overpriced products.

Before you jump on board and spend your time and hard earned
money trying to build a mlm business do your homework. Use Google
and findout about the company and the management. You'll be
surprised what you can find. Will make your toenails curl.

You need to find a leader who has a PROVEN system in place that
they can teach you to build your business. Not making a list of
family and friends, talking to your warm market, the 3 foot rule
about contacting strangers. These methods do not work for the
average person. Remember you have average people trying to build
a business. Most have never ever run a business before. Without a
proven system that has produced results and that your upline is using
you will not succeed.

Company has to have management that has built a mlm business before.
They then know what it is like to be in the trenches and are more likely
to help you more along the way as you build . Stock holders care about
only one thing. That is how much money will their stock be and how much
money will they make. They could care less about the people in the
trenches. They will always get their money. CEO's of mlm companies that
have never built a mlm business have no clue either. They only know one
thing. How to tweak the payplan to keep more of the money for themselves
and the company.

Well, I have rambled on here long enough. MLM is a proven business model
that will produce results.Just do your homework before jumping in with
both feet and arms. If the business opportunity is more about getting people
into the deal run like hell. Recruit, recruit, recruit, they could be violating the
law and will get shutdown eventually. If they talk about selling product as well
as building a loyal downline you might be alright.

Robert

Amfire · 04-14-2009, 11:31 AM

Stay away, Negative return on investment for long enough, your upline is full of lies and dishonesty. Friends & family turning away, most of the products are wayy to costly, you get money to recruit someone.

And for every 1 successful person you will have 99.5% unhappy, unsuccessful people.

if you still have money to experiment. better flush it in toilet.

Amfire · 04-14-2009, 11:35 AM

And yes i have done everything PPC, ezine, safelists, traffic exchanges, prospecting, cold calling, advertising in local newspaper, meetings, calling friends and relatives.

Loren Woirhaye · 04-14-2009, 02:35 PM

MLM as an online thing is getting hurt by the abundance of
other choices people now have: affiliate marketing, adsense,
creating information products, Forex, and bigger-ticket
networking programs.

It's actually not that hard to recruit into a low-cost-to-join
MLM online. I have tested this. What is much more challenging
is to keep your people engaged enough that they recruit anybody
else before they give-up and move on to another low-priced
opportunity that looks easier.

Of course "ease" is relative. Building most businesses actually
seldom meets the definition of "easy" I am familiar with. When
you promote "cheap to start" or "free to join" you will get the
least-committed customers in your organization, people with
little money or skills to build a business... but they DO have $100
a month or so - and the question is whether you can persuade
them to apply that money to building the MLM you just brought
them into - of if they will be persuaded to buy some other
money-making thing like an ebook this month... and off-they-go
to build an autoblog empire...

The thing is most people (about 95% is my educated guess) need
to have some "skin in the game" to commit and follow-through.
This is why it's difficult to retain distributors who have only invested
a little money in the product.

Sorry - that's the death-knell of MLM online.

MLM programs can still be worked successfully but IMO the smart
way to do it is build a list first, establish massive credibility with
your subscribers, and promote the MLM later.

Really, and this is my view, MLM is a losing game online - not a
good revenue model for online marketing because the payouts
are small and most distributors you recruit will quit before you
recoup your costs in getting them on board. Fast-start-bonuese
mitigate this factor somewhat.

I'm all for network marketing. It has some good principles in it.
It's the MLM payplans that are having a tough-time retaining
customers in the online environment.

To do MLM programs successfully look offline - build a local
group - and study how to use social pressure and guilt to
motivate your team to stay focused. It's people management
in the offline, local environment - which is a different set of
skills from online marketing.

brp002 · 04-16-2009, 10:10 AM

Working with MLM you need a ton of leads. Build your SEO to get free leads instead of paying for advertising. I mean you are in this business for the long run so If it takes you 1 year of work to get your SEO to the top you will get a steady flow of leads and some of them will become followers.

Best MLM program... Dont know I have been out of that game for a while. I dont feel confident selling programs to people on products they most likely do not need.

I do work for one two teir affiliate program and that is commissionriver previously cognigen. I get people to sign up for credit cards which is free like American Express, Mastercard and more and I get paid $45 - $100. I get referrals and teach them to do the same as me.

I can help you build your SEO by giving you an very helpful SEO packet that I use for free if you join my team.

Thanks,
Brian P

honestbizpro · 04-16-2009, 10:38 AM

Yea, I seem to find the MLM models that teach and provide Marketing resources and tools as the product to be very interesting. I would be very comfortable to promote that to others.

coolguythampy · 04-16-2009, 10:56 AM

i hate MLM and whenever I find it I make sure I stay away from them. i have made too many mistakes

7figurehelper · 04-16-2009, 11:15 AM

Both MLM and Direct Sales are great industries to be a part of. Both have pros and cons.

What you have to decide is first which is the best company for you. Look to see if they offer a viable product, one that can STAND ON ITS OWN WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY SURROUNDING IT. Take a look at the management team, comp plan, history, mission and vision of the company, etc. If you like the idea of marketing online to get leads, see if the company supports it and provides training.

The next thing you want to figure out is how you are going to get the word out about YOU. Notice I didn't say your company. This is where the marketing will kick in. Time to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you can master marketing yourself and a system that solves a problem for your "target market prospect" then your biz will explode.

As I have learned you need to focus on: building a list, develop a relationship with that list, and monetize on that list.

The 13th Warrior · 04-16-2009, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Oliver

A reputable mlm has got to have products that are priced right
and that you would buy even though a payplan was not attached
to it. Most mlm product are very overpriced. You can often find
equal or better products at the corner store as cheap or cheaper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7figurehelper

Look to see if they offer a viable product, one that can STAND ON ITS OWN WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY SURROUNDING IT.

I just read thru some of T.J. Rohleder books,(mostly informercials in book-form disguised as "How to"), he made SOME good points about mlm.

You got to start with the above quotes. That's one chunk of separating the scams from legitamite and/or competitively priced products.

Then he says you should build it like you are building a retail store.

Once that store is profitable, you hire a manager(Prospect) to run the store , teach him, and while that store is making profits, take those profits and open another store.

That sounds reasonable, but I dont know how feasible that is in the real world. Because it sounds more like outsourcing.

Unless the person you train to outsource is making money AND at the same time learning how to build and run the store.

So when that person learns, you hook them up with YOUR resources,( where you get a tier commission), then they are off to the races to build their store(where you, again, get a tier commission off their sales/purchases)...either way they make you money and they make money.

Because most people are average folks who:

Don't like/ can't DRAG other folks to meetings....

Don't like/can't selling one on one.....UNLESS you have an automated selling package like a pre-made Direct Response piece or pre-set Internet Webmarketing system....

Don't like/can't do mass opportunity meetings, phone calls(cold or otherwise), tele-seminar,teaching,speaking, have a presentation(charts,graphs, projector, chalkboard),and other qualitities like politicians/salesman:

1) Full of Enthusiasm

2) Like being in front of crowd and get EVERYONE ELSE excited

3) Aren't afraid to sell

4) Enjoy selling

5) Skilled at "working a group"

6) Enjoy meeting people

7) Love the spotlight

8) Love being Leaders and getting LOTS of attention

9) They are ENTERTAINERS

10) They have the gift of GAB

11) They are salespeople

12) They LOVE shaking hands with lots of people and "selling" their ideas to others

13) They are GOOD at telling DIFFERENT groups of people what they want to hear

14) They enjoy the POWER of their positions

15) They LOVE the game of climbing to the top

16) ...and finally some are even GREAT hustlers, liars and cheats

UNDUPLICATABLE by AVERAGE folks....

......because THAT who is primarily your stable if you have any success.

You are telling average folks to have, essentially, the qualities of an informercial person, politician, copywriter and get others to do that..., that is most unlikely.

Most of all, if a person don't see profit in the 1st one-three months that is reasonable over their cost and input of time and resources, they are gonna quit.

The 13 th Warrior

honestbizpro · 04-16-2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

I just read thru some of T.J. Rohleder books,(mostly informercials in book-form disguised as "How to"), he made SOME good points about mlm.

You got to start with the above quotes. That's one chunk of separating the scams from legitamite and/or competitively priced products.

Then he says you should build it like you are building a retail store.

Once that store is profitable, you hire a manager(Prospect) to run the store , teach him, and while that store is making profits, take those profits and open another store.

That sounds reasonable, but I dont know how feasible that is in the real world. Because it sounds more like outsourcing.

Unless the person you train to outsource is making money AND at the same time learning how to build and run the store.

So when that person learns, you hook them up with YOUR resources,( where you get a tier commission), then they are off to the races to build their store(where you, again, get a tier commission off their sales/purchases)...either way they make you money and they make money.

Because most people are average folks who:

Don't like/ can't DRAG other folks to meetings....

Don't like/can't selling one on one.....UNLESS you have an automated selling package like a pre-made Direct Response piece or pre-set Internet Webmarketing system....

Don't like/can't do mass opportunity meetings, phone calls(cold or otherwise), tele-seminar,teaching,speaking, have a presentation(charts,graphs, projector, chalkboard),and other qualitities like politicians/salesman:

1) Full of Enthusiasm

2) Like being in front of crowd and get EVERYONE ELSE excited

3) Aren't afraid to sell

4) Enjoy selling

5) Skilled at "working a group"

6) Enjoy meeting people

7) Love the spotlight

8) Love being Leaders and getting LOTS of attention

9) They are ENTERTAINERS

10) They have the gift of GAB

11) They are salespeople

12) They LOVE shaking hands with lots of people and "selling" their ideas to others

13) They are GOOD at telling DIFFERENT groups of people what they want to hear

14) They enjoy the POWER of their positions

15) They LOVE the game of climbing to the top

16) ...and finally some are even GREAT hustlers, liars and cheats

UNDUPLICATABLE by AVERAGE folks....

......because THAT who is primarily your stable if you have any success.

You are telling average folks to have, essentially, the qualities of an informercial person, politician, copywriter and get others to do that..., that is most unlikely.

Most of all, if a person don't see profit in the 1st one-three months that is reasonable over their cost and input of time and resources, they are gonna quit.

The 13 th Warrior

Now that's a reality check.

Maybe I will stick to affiliate programs with 2nd tiers.

The 13th Warrior · 04-16-2009, 12:43 PM

I also think that one of the things you are selling is that your and the people at the tops success IS positively and honestly duplicatable by average folks.......

.......................meaning anyone, with effort, can do what them and you do, but the question is, do you ACTUALLY know what qualities/talents you and the people at the top are using and claiming is duplicatable by anyone else?

Certain things are and are not realitiscally duplicatable, like, can the best Brain Surgeon in the world teach people to duplicate his success?

One must discern and find those things that are , mathematically on average,duplicatable.

The 13th Warrior · 04-16-2009, 01:11 PM

Theoretically speaking, the best MLM system would be:

Recruiting people for outsource work...

A solid payplan and marketing plan for such,

Solid competive products people actually want...

Outsource worker has an option to LEARN the business at their pace while they are working for you, making a fair income on amount of work performed...

Once they learn, they build their OWN business, while you get a piece of all their future sales...

Like McDonalds, you start out as a worker , fry cook, option to learn the business, become a Manager, save and learn more, then when ready, use money saved and in combination/ or use other resources available to BUY your OWN McDonalds franchise....

You win, McDonalds wins, McDonalds suppliers win...

So a person can be satisfied on 3 levels, outsource worker, manager, then finally owner and builder....

They can move on, or stay at any one station, you both still win.....

Off course, this is all theoretical.

The 13 th Warrior

gr8tocre8 · 04-16-2009, 01:14 PM

Electronic cigarettes, no doubt. I hear about them everywhere, and people seem to be making money head over fist in the electronic cigarette MLM's that are popping up all over.

I studied up on it - it's actually a pretty brilliant idea, so IMO, that niche has some serious potential right now.

adam westrop · 04-17-2009, 02:34 PM

MLM will be hear to stay especially GDI.

wbnetwork · 04-17-2009, 02:52 PM

High Priced Direct Sales Network Marketing is my preference. This way your not relying on the efforts of others, but you still profit from the efforts of others.

LeivaMatias · 04-17-2009, 03:35 PM

The Real fortune is in MLM.

Its not high ticket sales, where you have to keep advertising and recruiting to make money. Your only leverage is yourself and the advertising capital you have.

Many people think they are going to build a mlm online, based on the information that is being shared by Jonathan, Mike, Ann, Deagan etc. The reality is they are making there money selling information to people on the internet that are in hope of building a mlm.

The real true networkers do seminars, weekly meetings, 3-ways and are on the phone at all times.

I have a few close friends that are 20 million dollar earners in MLM the last 10-15 years. They have no website, no adwords, no web 2.0. It was all built offline.

Why Offline Works:

People come online, and get sold buy one of these information products, and they end of becoming an affiliate and spend more time trying the "funded proposal" than actually working their network marketing business.

Offline marketing is all based on relationships, if you can't build and establish, network with people they you will not succeed in mlm longterm.

My close friends have true residual incomes, where they spend less than $200 a month to maintain their autoships, but are generating $50k-$100k monthly in residual/override income.

Show me where you can do that online? Seriously, show me where there is someone online making 7-figures years a year in a MLM company, and is spending less than $10,000 a year to make that.

There is no one, not even people doing seo, ppc, cpa etc. They are all spending money to generate profits.

With MLM, you are using the power of people, and duplication to create a mass sales volume and profitting from it.

That is where the real wealth is built.

Robert Oliver · 04-17-2009, 06:36 PM

My mentor builds his 5 figure a month mlm business

totally online. He is the top earner in this mlm company.

He has many people under him making good 4 figure a

month incomes who also only build their businesses online.

You can build great relationships online with the right

system in place. I have people in my business from all

over the world. I have never met them in person.

I have not made a list of family and friends to go pester

to death.

Robert

LeivaMatias · 04-19-2009, 01:44 AM

Hww come you don't have a sig file linking back to your site for opt-ins and to build a list of potential MLM marketers..?

juzanobo · 04-19-2009, 03:20 AM

i don't like MLM as well.

Robert Oliver · 04-19-2009, 12:28 PM

This is a Internet Marketing Forum. Most people here frown on
network marketing and mlm.

I have other places to promote my network marketing business
and attract people who are open to this business model than here.

I am on this forum to learn and keep up to date on marketing
and traffic generation methods that I can use online to build my
list and grow my network marketing business.

That is why I do not promote in my sig.

Robert

Loren Woirhaye · 04-19-2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Oliver

This is a Internet Marketing Forum. Most people here frown on
network marketing and mlm.

That's not accurate - there are some vocal detractors who
speak from experience.... and there are always bitter people
who will declare mlm a scam given the opportunity.

Most people here don't care enough to frown on mlm.
Believe me, a lot of folks here would be delighted to
have a network marketing system that works - if
it weren't for the bugaboo of actually working to build
the organization.

Many here just choose a different path and many others
are not attracted to the leadership demands success
in networking makes.

klatzen · 04-19-2009, 12:47 PM

SEO .

doomain · 04-21-2009, 10:13 AM

I hate MLM, not a really good work to do

brhnpkb · 04-21-2009, 02:30 PM

in MLM we need concentrate and focus...

StevenSaliba · 04-21-2009, 02:31 PM

All the people that hate mlm simply don't know how to promote it online. Of course that the people who are making that lists of family and friends are struggling to make mlm work. Those tactics don't work for 99% of the population. The internet has changed the problem of running out of people to talk to about your business. My company gets around 40,000 searches on Google a month. Don't you think I can recruit someone into the business if I knew how to capture the information of someone searching my company? HECK YEAH. It's all about marketing on the internet. Chasing and harassing people about your business is not in any way, shape or form marketing.

7figurehelper · 04-21-2009, 09:07 PM

I laugh at when people say they "hate" mlm. They are mostly one liners and don't go into WHY? To me it just means you had a bad experience. Don't let that bad experience possibly rob you of lifelong pleasure and endless possibilities.

I've had A TON of failures in mlm but I love what it offers and that is what kept me going through all the heart aches.

But hey it is not for everyone. Just like real estate. You will get the same response.

mrtornado · 04-21-2009, 09:25 PM

well in this case most people have bad experiences with MLM

Simontherrien · 04-21-2009, 09:27 PM

thanks for the video

honestbizpro · 04-22-2009, 10:24 AM

Nice balanced comments. I can definitely see potential when someone is already doing a specific activity and love it then find an MLM oppt for it. It is so much easier that way.

Forced monthly purchase of something you don't use or need just to remain in good standing is a real turn off.

esericsu · 04-23-2009, 09:31 AM

well, there are some direct sales companies who don't require you to buy monthly products but the entry fee is usually higher like $500 - $2000. But the profit margin could be very high if you think about it.

Just sponsor 5 people a month you can replace your current day job.

DaveOffen · 04-23-2009, 10:41 AM

I spent a few years in MLM before I switched to IM, but my wife has a successful MLM biz here in the UK.

In MLM 95% may fail, but that's pretty similar to IM. A long standing MLM company would not remain in business if it didn't work, and my wife's has been going for nearly 90 years (30 as MLM).

So, I firmly believe MLM works, it's people that don't. But don't just jump on the first company your brother in law mentions. Shop around!

honestbizpro · 04-24-2009, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveOffen

I spent a few years in MLM before I switched to IM, but my wife has a successful MLM biz here in the UK.

In MLM 95% may fail, but that's pretty similar to IM. A long standing MLM company would not remain in business if it didn't work, and my wife's has been going for nearly 90 years (30 as MLM).

So, I firmly believe MLM works, it's people that don't. But don't just jump on the first company your brother in law mentions. Shop around!

Hey Dave,

So true.....people we know get so passionate about something and take offense if we try to apply logic to it.

steveblum · 10-21-2009, 10:13 PM

I came to the hard conclusion, after spending years chasing the MLM dream that MLM these days is like a bucket full of holes.

No matter how much water you put in the bucket (distributors) it will leak out the holes (your competition, other biz opps) and you must constantly refill the bucket (your downline) to stay in the game.

There is so much information out there competing for your visitors attention that getting them to stick with something rarely happens.

Yes if you have a huge list and pitch them on your new mlm venture, you are going to get people to sign up, maybe alot. But slowly those distributors start dropping out or quit buying product. It's a constant circle and a constant headache.

Check out affiliate marketing and like at least you have some control over your business, and not depending on your downline to pay your bills.

Wuuki · 10-22-2009, 08:03 AM

You cannot answer this question with a simple Yes or No!

First, you have to find a real company that won't disappear over night.
For that reason I would suggest you team up with a company that has
a success track record. Do not jump on the FIRST TIME EVER - NEW ON
THE MARKET train.

Second, the company has to sell products that you will use/consume yourself
because of the product and NOT because you want to make money with it.

Third, you have to check out these questions:

MLM is for you if:

- you like to talk to people personally
- you like to meet people outside the www
- you don't hate big meetings or conferences
- you love to grow with your group of people and work with them side by side
- accept that it is a real business with no shortcuts to success

MLM is not for you if:

- you don't want to spend at least 10 hours a week
- you're too shy to talk to people in real life
- your partner/family hates MLM because of the bad reputation
- you expect to be rich in a couple of months

Hope this helps.

Volker

nofearman · 10-22-2009, 10:48 AM

NO. Fact about MLM, LESS than 5% of those who join ever make a real income.

Wuuki · 10-22-2009, 03:55 PM

Welcome to reality!

Only 5% are earning big to huge income, worldwide and in every industry.
These are the facts that are well known!

Why?

Some people might say it's because of relations or whatever but I can tell you that in most cases it is because of effort. Most of the people that fail in any business are the ones that are good in blaming others for their failure. Sad but true.

How I do know?

I have been in the MLM business for 15 years and retired after this because I belonged to the 5%.

Was I lucky? No.
Did I have special relations? No, I was a student when I started.
Was I the first one who joined the company? No, the company was 12 years on the market.

I have seen many people changing their lifes to the better and also many more who missed the fact that MLM is a real biz. No need to say that I have seen lots of companies from the flight-by-night-section.

Conclusion: MLM is just another form of marketing, like any other form you'll find good points and bad ones.

Take care,

Volker

Hambonz43 · 10-23-2009, 12:18 AM

Just like Drop Shipping, they both do have there pros and cons...
You must do your home work first before jumping head first into either one.

I personally stays away from MLM, but I have some good friends making a killing with it...

hostteamwork · 10-23-2009, 08:41 AM

thanks for your sharing.

asianwarrior · 10-23-2009, 08:53 AM

There is pro and contra about MLM..some success while some failed. Like school, not all the students will success..only hardworking person will success

cscarpero · 10-23-2009, 09:09 AM

Every legit MLM will require you to actually get on the phone and talk to people. In that respect it's a lot different than IM.

MCDavies · 10-23-2009, 09:40 AM

I just found out that Mike Filsaime has partnered with an owner of a new MLM that's targeted at the IM crowd.

And many other IM "gurus" are on board as well. One of which is Ewen Chia.

realoptions · 10-23-2009, 10:04 PM

I agree that MLM can be profitable. But the key is you want to take the time to ensure that your product is unique, affordable and in demand. Furthermore, the company must be reputable and their compensation plan should be fair. Finally, there should be a marketing system in place that can be duplicated. Many people approach network marketing as if it is a get-rich-quick scheme instead of a real business.

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04-12-2009, 08:33 PM	#2
brp002 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 205 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? I think blogging is the big thing that is in right now. Since you can start free from wordpress or blogspot and build your SEO to generate great money using Adwords and amazon and other affiliate programs
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04-12-2009, 09:34 PM	#3
Loren Woirhaye gypsy accordion menace War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts Posts: 3,161 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 75 Thanked 490 Times in 354 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? I have a video in my marketing system where I reveal the truth about leverage in network marketing - it's very often misunderstood and many people lose a lot of money and waste their time because of the misunderstanding. Here's the link to check it out: Start Making Money - Start Making Money - I've written about the issues and how to solve them in your own business many times - you really cannot depend on your company or your payplan to get you leverage - there are specific choices and actions that make it possible.
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04-12-2009, 09:54 PM	#4
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,212 Thanks: 95 Thanked 239 Times in 153 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? Hey Loren, I like your video you seem like you are keeping it real. I know that in a MLM I would want Superstars or to train them to be. I also know giving a downline the tools and resources they need is cruical to my success and their success. I was checking out a Jonathan Budd video as well. I just want to avoid MLM jumping from one opportunity to another I am really thinking long term. I really prefer the non phone calls type of MLM.
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04-12-2009, 10:35 PM	#5
Loren Woirhaye gypsy accordion menace War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts Posts: 3,161 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 75 Thanked 490 Times in 354 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? you gotta talk to people. Sorry. You do. That's how you keep it real. You can filter out most of the people who aren't the ones you want with better marketing though - which can get intricate. If you start out saying "I wanna sit at home and poke buttons" you cut out a whole world of possibilities - talk - in terms of seminars, coaching, creating info-products, and building relationships with customers and partners - is where it's at. I've sold the automated cr@apdish in the past and the problem is if you run around telling people they don't have to speak to anybody about the business, then they won't, and you won't see growth because they'll leave your team and join another company under a more inspirational leader. Just my experience. I made a choice to focus on training winners instead of just recruiting or making personal sales.
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04-13-2009, 06:14 PM	#6
Elliott Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ann Arbor MI Posts: 1,297 Thanks: 32 Thanked 48 Times in 42 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? I've heard there are some heavy-duty IMers making good money with a Greeting Card mlm, and that this is one of the very few mlms they would touch with a 10-foot pole.... I'm not sure what it's called - something like SendCards. Elliott
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04-13-2009, 06:18 PM	#7
wbnetwork Anthony Busciglio Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ - USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? I think direct sales companies are more stable right now than MLM. The internet has harmed mlm as much as it has helped the industry. it seems like every company is in "pre launch", and network marketers are jumping from one opportunity to another, and taking their downlines with them, to "get in on the ground floor" of a new mlm. I am in a direct sales network marketing company that focuses strictly on internet marketing, and to me that makes more sense right now in these times.
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04-13-2009, 06:19 PM	#8
wbnetwork Anthony Busciglio Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ - USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? Send Out Cards is the company you are talking about.
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04-13-2009, 07:29 PM	#9
Robert Oliver TexasBoy War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas, USA. Posts: 659 Thanks: 1 Thanked 39 Times in 31 Posts Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? The problem with most people joining a mlm company is they do not do their homework. They jump in because a close friend or relative got them to the business meeting and they have no clue what to do once they get in. Hell, their upline has no clue either in most cases. A reputable mlm has got to have products that are priced right and that you would buy even though a payplan was not attached to it. Most mlm product are very overpriced. You can often find equal or better products at the corner store as cheap or cheaper. There are a few companies out there that have products that are competitive with retail stores. You must be able to retail products also to have success and to stay within the FTC rules and regulations. That is very hard to do with overpriced products. Before you jump on board and spend your time and hard earned money trying to build a mlm business do your homework. Use Google and findout about the company and the management. You'll be surprised what you can find. Will make your toenails curl. You need to find a leader who has a PROVEN system in place that they can teach you to build your business. Not making a list of family and friends, talking to your warm market, the 3 foot rule about contacting strangers. These methods do not work for the average person. Remember you have average people trying to build a business. Most have never ever run a business before. Without a proven system that has produced results and that your upline is using you will not succeed. Company has to have management that has built a mlm business before. They then know what it is like to be in the trenches and are more likely to help you more along the way as you build . Stock holders care about only one thing. That is how much money will their stock be and how much money will they make. They could care less about the people in the trenches. They will always get their money. CEO's of mlm companies that have never built a mlm business have no clue either. They only know one thing. How to tweak the payplan to keep more of the money for themselves and the company. Well, I have rambled on here long enough. MLM is a proven business model that will produce results.Just do your homework before jumping in with both feet and arms. If the business opportunity is more about getting people into the deal run like hell. Recruit, recruit, recruit, they could be violating the law and will get shutdown eventually. If they talk about selling product as well as building a loyal downline you might be alright. Robert
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04-14-2009, 11:31 AM	#10
Amfire Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: A crowded metro of India Posts: 507 Thanks: 16 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? Stay away, Negative return on investment for long enough, your upline is full of lies and dishonesty. Friends & family turning away, most of the products are wayy to costly, you get money to recruit someone. And for every 1 successful person you will have 99.5% unhappy, unsuccessful people. if you still have money to experiment. better flush it in toilet.

04-14-2009, 11:35 AM	#11
Amfire Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: A crowded metro of India Posts: 507 Thanks: 16 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? And yes i have done everything PPC, ezine, safelists, traffic exchanges, prospecting, cold calling, advertising in local newspaper, meetings, calling friends and relatives.

04-14-2009, 02:35 PM	#12
Loren Woirhaye gypsy accordion menace War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts Posts: 3,161 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 75 Thanked 490 Times in 354 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? MLM as an online thing is getting hurt by the abundance of other choices people now have: affiliate marketing, adsense, creating information products, Forex, and bigger-ticket networking programs. It's actually not that hard to recruit into a low-cost-to-join MLM online. I have tested this. What is much more challenging is to keep your people engaged enough that they recruit anybody else before they give-up and move on to another low-priced opportunity that looks easier. Of course "ease" is relative. Building most businesses actually seldom meets the definition of "easy" I am familiar with. When you promote "cheap to start" or "free to join" you will get the least-committed customers in your organization, people with little money or skills to build a business... but they DO have $100 a month or so - and the question is whether you can persuade them to apply that money to building the MLM you just brought them into - of if they will be persuaded to buy some other money-making thing like an ebook this month... and off-they-go to build an autoblog empire... The thing is most people (about 95% is my educated guess) need to have some "skin in the game" to commit and follow-through. This is why it's difficult to retain distributors who have only invested a little money in the product. Sorry - that's the death-knell of MLM online. MLM programs can still be worked successfully but IMO the smart way to do it is build a list first, establish massive credibility with your subscribers, and promote the MLM later. Really, and this is my view, MLM is a losing game online - not a good revenue model for online marketing because the payouts are small and most distributors you recruit will quit before you recoup your costs in getting them on board. Fast-start-bonuese mitigate this factor somewhat. I'm all for network marketing. It has some good principles in it. It's the MLM payplans that are having a tough-time retaining customers in the online environment. To do MLM programs successfully look offline - build a local group - and study how to use social pressure and guilt to motivate your team to stay focused. It's people management in the offline, local environment - which is a different set of skills from online marketing.
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04-16-2009, 10:10 AM	#13
brp002 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 205 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? Working with MLM you need a ton of leads. Build your SEO to get free leads instead of paying for advertising. I mean you are in this business for the long run so If it takes you 1 year of work to get your SEO to the top you will get a steady flow of leads and some of them will become followers. Best MLM program... Dont know I have been out of that game for a while. I dont feel confident selling programs to people on products they most likely do not need. I do work for one two teir affiliate program and that is commissionriver previously cognigen. I get people to sign up for credit cards which is free like American Express, Mastercard and more and I get paid $45 - $100. I get referrals and teach them to do the same as me. I can help you build your SEO by giving you an very helpful SEO packet that I use for free if you join my team. Thanks, Brian P
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04-16-2009, 10:38 AM	#14
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,212 Thanks: 95 Thanked 239 Times in 153 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? Yea, I seem to find the MLM models that teach and provide Marketing resources and tools as the product to be very interesting. I would be very comfortable to promote that to others.
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04-16-2009, 10:56 AM	#15
coolguythampy Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 78 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? i hate MLM and whenever I find it I make sure I stay away from them. i have made too many mistakes

04-16-2009, 11:15 AM	#16
7figurehelper Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking	Re: MLM Yes or No? Both MLM and Direct Sales are great industries to be a part of. Both have pros and cons. What you have to decide is first which is the best company for you. Look to see if they offer a viable product, one that can STAND ON ITS OWN WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY SURROUNDING IT. Take a look at the management team, comp plan, history, mission and vision of the company, etc. If you like the idea of marketing online to get leads, see if the company supports it and provides training. The next thing you want to figure out is how you are going to get the word out about YOU. Notice I didn't say your company. This is where the marketing will kick in. Time to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you can master marketing yourself and a system that solves a problem for your "target market prospect" then your biz will explode. As I have learned you need to focus on: building a list, develop a relationship with that list, and monetize on that list.
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04-16-2009, 12:43 PM	#19
The 13th Warrior HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 348 Thanks: 37 Thanked 29 Times in 19 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? I also think that one of the things you are selling is that your and the people at the tops success IS positively and honestly duplicatable by average folks....... .......................meaning anyone, with effort, can do what them and you do, but the question is, do you ACTUALLY know what qualities/talents you and the people at the top are using and claiming is duplicatable by anyone else? Certain things are and are not realitiscally duplicatable, like, can the best Brain Surgeon in the world teach people to duplicate his success? One must discern and find those things that are , mathematically on average,duplicatable.
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04-16-2009, 01:11 PM	#20
The 13th Warrior HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 348 Thanks: 37 Thanked 29 Times in 19 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? Theoretically speaking, the best MLM system would be: Recruiting people for outsource work... A solid payplan and marketing plan for such, Solid competive products people actually want... Outsource worker has an option to LEARN the business at their pace while they are working for you, making a fair income on amount of work performed... Once they learn, they build their OWN business, while you get a piece of all their future sales... Like McDonalds, you start out as a worker , fry cook, option to learn the business, become a Manager, save and learn more, then when ready, use money saved and in combination/ or use other resources available to BUY your OWN McDonalds franchise.... You win, McDonalds wins, McDonalds suppliers win... So a person can be satisfied on 3 levels, outsource worker, manager, then finally owner and builder.... They can move on, or stay at any one station, you both still win..... Off course, this is all theoretical. The 13 th Warrior
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04-16-2009, 01:14 PM	#21
gr8tocre8 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 166 Thanks: 26 Thanked 41 Times in 16 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? Electronic cigarettes, no doubt. I hear about them everywhere, and people seem to be making money head over fist in the electronic cigarette MLM's that are popping up all over. I studied up on it - it's actually a pretty brilliant idea, so IMO, that niche has some serious potential right now.

04-17-2009, 02:34 PM	#22
adam westrop English Warrior Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Norwich, England Posts: 140 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: MLM Yes or No? MLM will be hear to stay especially GDI.

04-17-2009, 02:52 PM	#23
wbnetwork Anthony Busciglio Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ - USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? High Priced Direct Sales Network Marketing is my preference. This way your not relying on the efforts of others, but you still profit from the efforts of others.
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04-17-2009, 03:35 PM	#24
LeivaMatias HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142 Thanks: 0 Thanked 34 Times in 9 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? The Real fortune is in MLM. Its not high ticket sales, where you have to keep advertising and recruiting to make money. Your only leverage is yourself and the advertising capital you have. Many people think they are going to build a mlm online, based on the information that is being shared by Jonathan, Mike, Ann, Deagan etc. The reality is they are making there money selling information to people on the internet that are in hope of building a mlm. The real true networkers do seminars, weekly meetings, 3-ways and are on the phone at all times. I have a few close friends that are 20 million dollar earners in MLM the last 10-15 years. They have no website, no adwords, no web 2.0. It was all built offline. Why Offline Works: People come online, and get sold buy one of these information products, and they end of becoming an affiliate and spend more time trying the "funded proposal" than actually working their network marketing business. Offline marketing is all based on relationships, if you can't build and establish, network with people they you will not succeed in mlm longterm. My close friends have true residual incomes, where they spend less than $200 a month to maintain their autoships, but are generating $50k-$100k monthly in residual/override income. Show me where you can do that online? Seriously, show me where there is someone online making 7-figures years a year in a MLM company, and is spending less than $10,000 a year to make that. There is no one, not even people doing seo, ppc, cpa etc. They are all spending money to generate profits. With MLM, you are using the power of people, and duplication to create a mass sales volume and profitting from it. That is where the real wealth is built.
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04-17-2009, 06:36 PM	#25
Robert Oliver TexasBoy War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas, USA. Posts: 659 Thanks: 1 Thanked 39 Times in 31 Posts Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? My mentor builds his 5 figure a month mlm business totally online. He is the top earner in this mlm company. He has many people under him making good 4 figure a month incomes who also only build their businesses online. You can build great relationships online with the right system in place. I have people in my business from all over the world. I have never met them in person. I have not made a list of family and friends to go pester to death. Robert
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04-19-2009, 01:44 AM	#26
LeivaMatias HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142 Thanks: 0 Thanked 34 Times in 9 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? Hww come you don't have a sig file linking back to your site for opt-ins and to build a list of potential MLM marketers..?
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04-19-2009, 03:20 AM	#27
juzanobo Ilocandiapolis Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? i don't like MLM as well.

04-19-2009, 12:28 PM	#28
Robert Oliver TexasBoy War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas, USA. Posts: 659 Thanks: 1 Thanked 39 Times in 31 Posts Contact Info	Re: MLM Yes or No? This is a Internet Marketing Forum. Most people here frown on network marketing and mlm. I have other places to promote my network marketing business and attract people who are open to this business model than here. I am on this forum to learn and keep up to date on marketing and traffic generation methods that I can use online to build my list and grow my network marketing business. That is why I do not promote in my sig. Robert
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04-19-2009, 12:47 PM	#30
klatzen Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? SEO .
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04-21-2009, 10:13 AM	#31
doomain Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? I hate MLM, not a really good work to do

04-21-2009, 02:30 PM	#32
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04-21-2009, 02:31 PM	#33
StevenSaliba Entrepreneur From NYC Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York City Posts: 195 Thanks: 110 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking	Re: MLM Yes or No? All the people that hate mlm simply don't know how to promote it online. Of course that the people who are making that lists of family and friends are struggling to make mlm work. Those tactics don't work for 99% of the population. The internet has changed the problem of running out of people to talk to about your business. My company gets around 40,000 searches on Google a month. Don't you think I can recruit someone into the business if I knew how to capture the information of someone searching my company? HECK YEAH. It's all about marketing on the internet. Chasing and harassing people about your business is not in any way, shape or form marketing.

04-21-2009, 09:07 PM	#34
7figurehelper Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking	Re: MLM Yes or No? I laugh at when people say they "hate" mlm. They are mostly one liners and don't go into WHY? To me it just means you had a bad experience. Don't let that bad experience possibly rob you of lifelong pleasure and endless possibilities. I've had A TON of failures in mlm but I love what it offers and that is what kept me going through all the heart aches. But hey it is not for everyone. Just like real estate. You will get the same response.
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04-21-2009, 09:25 PM	#35
mrtornado Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? well in this case most people have bad experiences with MLM
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04-21-2009, 09:27 PM	#36
Simontherrien Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ottawa,Canada Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? thanks for the video
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04-22-2009, 10:24 AM	#37
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,212 Thanks: 95 Thanked 239 Times in 153 Posts	Re: MLM Yes or No? Nice balanced comments. I can definitely see potential when someone is already doing a specific activity and love it then find an MLM oppt for it. It is so much easier that way. Forced monthly purchase of something you don't use or need just to remain in good standing is a real turn off.
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04-23-2009, 09:31 AM	#38
esericsu Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: , , USA. Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking	Re: MLM Yes or No? well, there are some direct sales companies who don't require you to buy monthly products but the entry fee is usually higher like $500 - $2000. But the profit margin could be very high if you think about it. Just sponsor 5 people a month you can replace your current day job.
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