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Unread 25th March 2013, 04:50 AM   #1
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Default Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

Paid the first installment ($997) of four to
Amazing Selling Machine on March 17.

But when I started doing the course, discovered
there was further expense and more complexity
involved than was mentioned in the initial videos.

So last Friday (March 22) I asked for a refund in
their support section (there's a 30-day guaranteed
refund period).

I also (politely) asked Jason Katzenback for a refund
in a private message (no response from him).

Today (Monday) I checked my emails and get this
from their support section (even though I'd previously
asked them NOT to try to persuade me to change my
mind):

"Hello Eldo,

Is there anything we can help you with? Do you need
assistance with the training or are there any major issues
we can work out for you before you cancel?"

Then tried to login to my account at ASM and it says
"account deactivated"!

But I've received no email from ASM confirming
my refund.

Today phoned my credit card company and they say
I've received no refund from ASM.

I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTACT JASON OR MATT
ABOUT MY REFUND...

With each day that goes by my credit card is racking up
more interest (I asked for the refund last Friday, but still
no response).

Has anyone else on the Warrior Forum had this problem?

I'll keep you all updated about this.

This is VERY worrying.

If Jason or Matt read this, could you let me know why you
haven't yet issued my refund?
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Default Re: Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

A few minutes ago I somehow managed to get into the
ASM support section (even though they've deactivated
my account) and have just submitted a new ticket
"Why still no refund?"

Will keep you posted about their response.
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Hi Eldo,

Try phoning the credit card company saying that you requested a refund of the charge but it hasn't been processed yet and you're concerned about the interest that's accruing.

If you're a long-time customer in good standing I would hope the credit card company would waive the interest.

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Hi Neil,

The credit card company said I have to write
to them and explain the whole situation.

Then they will look into this (in the meantime
my credit card is racking up extra daily interest
and my wife and I are losing money we simply
can't afford to lose).

I was hoping the people running AMS would
have issued my refund by now, so I wouldn't
have to take up even more precious work time
writing such a letter.

Still no further response (nothing from them
in my email inbox) – now 2.04 p.m. GMT,
10.04 a.m. EST).

They should have issued the refund last Friday,
as soon as I requested it.

Thanks for your concern.

Much appreciated.

Will keep you all posted.

Anyone else who paid the first $997 installment
(or the full amount [over $3,000]) and who is
thinking of bailing out should be aware of how
these people deal with refunds...
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Also interesting that the "live support" button
on their support page says that live support is
"offline" (now 10.14 a.m. EST, 2.14 GMT).

So it's not possible to "chat" real time with
anyone at AMS support.

I wonder if they're being flooded with refund
requests and so don't want to make anyone at
their support center available for live "chat".
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Good news!

Have just received this email from AMS support:

From: ASM Support <support@amazingsellingmachine.com>
Subject: [#QCO-495-32589]: Why is "Live Support" offline? Why have you closed my previous tickets?
Date: 25 March 2013 14:59:01 GMT

Hello Eldo,

We have closed the previous tickets because we have processed your refund request. Here is your invoice for the refund:
Merchant Amazing Selling Machine
2100 West Loop South, STE 900
Houston, TX 77027
US 7055757631

Order Information
Description:
Order Number: P.O. Number:
Customer ID: 25093 Invoice Number:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Billing Information Shipping Information
<snip>



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Shipping: 0.00
Tax: 0.00
Total: USD (997.00)


Visa XXXXXXX6
Date/Time: 23-Mar-2013 08:29:24 PDT
Transaction ID: 5106884055
Transaction Status: Refund
Authorization Code:
Payment Method: Visa XXXXXXX6

Also regarding our live support, I will mention this to our customer support manager and let him know.

in.

Best Regards,

Pamela W
ASM Support
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Good you get it finally. Before the product launched I also asked to jason, How much further Investment would be there.. but there was no response. Maybe you can give approx idea.. how much further investment there ?
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Sagbee, sorry for not replying sooner (have been too busy to get back to the WF).

• You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

• If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

• You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

• You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

And there are probably other costs involved as well (this opportunity is not for someone on a tight budget).

Plus there's the monthly payment of $997 (so it would take 4 months to go through the whole course and get up and running solidly).

Although this will probably work for some (I hope it does), it's not for me.

Glad I got a refund and moved on...
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There has been quite a bit of 'noise' surfacing from disgruntled folks who bought Amazing Selling Machine whom are saying it's delivering nowhere near the hype.

I gave my readers/blog followers a heads-up (my gut feeling about ASM) in this video around the time of the launch (updated in April 2014):

Amazing Selling Machine Low Cost Alternative- YouTube


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Jordan,

Many thanks for the very valuable info in your video.

I wish I'd seen this before getting involved with Amazing Selling Machine...

All the best,

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I agree their prelaunch PDF's were good and got me interested in possibly selling physical products on Azon until the sticker shock. Thanks to Jordan Malik for pointing out in his review that rebranding products is risky business due to liability issues. Would any warriors who purchased their system please comment on the results they're having? Thanks and GLTA.
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What valuable information?
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• You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

I never have pay in my life for a product sample, but if you do, see it as a business expense...

• If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

Well dificult to believe, you allways find a buyer at the end, publish on eBay at the "cost" you pay without profit (or bellow cost if need) and I am sure you will sell it. Or do a samples garage sale.

• You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

This is absoulute not true for samples and small goods...where did you ready this information. You pay per Kilo from China or for space in large quantities by ocean freight, but you dont need a container for a sample right... lol.

• You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

Absolute this is not true! ...on today's economy you can sell "Drop Shipping" (one product only), only large companies or idiots buy in large quantities...

• And there are probably other costs involved as well (this opportunity is not for someone on a tight budget).

Well on any business allways are other cost involved, or what, you want everything free? lol

By the way how can you get on a $4,000 WSO if you have a very tight budget...? lol

• Plus there's the monthly payment of $997 (so it would take 4 months to go through the whole course and get up and running solidly).

Well this could be waive' if you where a real entrepreneur, but lets face it, nobody teach you for free, including myself lol, althoulth this WSO is over price

I never have pay for WSO to lean the basics on anything, use google!

• Although this will probably work for some (I hope it does), it's not for me.

Well this would work for any who is ready to take "ACTION", you can buy a thousand WSO's and nothing will work until you take ACTION!!!

• Glad I got a refund and moved on...

Yes glad you did, because you don't deserve to be in...guys like you, are allways a pain and a headache!!!! lol


PS. Don't take it personal...


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well,

As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

PM me if anyone is interested.
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All I can say is sorry to hear Copydog. Yes there is extra cost involved but if you think you can build a business without investing in it, to get it up and running, you are dreaming. If you had to build a bricks and mortar business of the same thing, the cost would be in the hundreds of thousands.
This is a real business for real people willing to make it work.

Since joining I have found myself being excited more about buisness life than ever. The people involved (members) are some of the most helpful that I have ever met. And just to let you know, every one involved are really starting make something of this course, with lots of us already making real money. Yes it does take time and money but the rewards are worth every penny spent and some.

Sorry to here you opted out. All the best with whatever you persue.
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Well, sorry to hear you bowed out. It was and still is an excellent course with tons of info, and tons of people that are also a part of the course that are all willing to help.
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It was and still is an excellent course
Re Opening.... I bet the current members are going to be really happy about that!

The only people promoting this are those with an eye on the $1500-2000 affiliate commission they will earn.... sort of tells you what the real value in the course is if they can give away 1/2 the course fee to affiliates

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Went in on ASM with 2 friends (which created it's own logistical issues consuming the content, that's was on us, not Jason and Matt)

I just today read through the remarks on the thread asking about the ASM.

Just from poor business acumen many thread contributors exhibited on the forum here, it is pretty clear there is absolutely no need for concern about the market getting saturated. The thing that I think should be a concern, even for those making 5 or 6 figures a month selling private label on FBA, is having "all your eggs in one basket". That's why it makes sense to get things GOING on Amz FBA, and then use your brand position to leverage into other retailers.

Anyway, I think it's just inexperience CopyDog, but this thread title seems to imply that there are integrity issues with getting a refund from Jason and Matt. I'm sure it's an oversight on your part and probablt not intended that way... likely concern for getting back about $1000 which is a chunk of change.

You asked for the refund on a Friday... and became concerned you were being neglected by Monday morning? WAIT... but Monday afternoon/evening you were informed that a chargeback refund had been issued.

In my experience, that is some pretty fast action from a merchant!

Thoughts about the program... and the comments here about it.


• You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

NO... you don't HAVE to do that. But it would sure be foolish not to. It's YOUR business. And no, it probably would be less than brilliant for a manufacturer to send out free samples to everyone that says "yeah, I'm a big shot retailer you've never heard of... send me a free sample at your expense."

• If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

That concern is based on the poorly framed logic of the first one. My take on it? The money I paid to see the product just saved me spending $800 for a large order of an inferior product.

• You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

If you had really retained what you have learned, you woud know that they are explicit in saying you should settle on products that are "small and light", and that don't take up much space. You are ALSO instructed to do solid research on how to best ship stuff...

...there are solid companies (DHL, etc...) that can move stuff very nominal prices. But, you have to WORK HARD and use MATH to see if your ROI numbers work

• You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

NO... you don't HAVE to do this either. But if your hard work up to this point netted you a $7.20 product, that you can retail all day for $27 (from a real product niche... which, no, I won't divulge... but I'll say it sells to gun owners :-) ), NETTING you close to 100% profit... then buying quantity to increase you ROI by 20% to 40% would make sense.

Something that pans out into a real business, will be based on hard work, and the teacity to solve problems as they arise. There will also be risk.

Show my someone who has taken no risk at all trying to build a job replacing income... and I'll show you someone who has hopped from "next big thing" to "next big thing", and still not really made any money.

I'm not trying to pick on you CopyDog... what you decided in asking for a refund was you just being clear and honest in your assessment, that it "wasn't for you".

Prior to the internet... you would be stunned to find out how many retired folks have spent $50,000 to $100,000 of their hard earned money to buy into a franchise business, and earned themselves 60 to 80 hour weeks, and slim, if any, margins. Most of them fail.

Business is business. It's not a hobby... to build something that will throw off a lot of ROI once it has momentum takes a huge amount of work on the front end, problem solving skills... and tenacity to keep at it on those "bad days".

I can tell anyone on WF about a product that,if they rolled it out, would for SURE net them MILLIONS of dollars.

A safe non habit forming pill that was healthy, and made average folks focus, and take massive tenacious action on well formed business ideas seeing them past "proof of concept" to the decision making point of GO or NO-GO.

:-)

Best of luck!

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I got my refund very fast, no problems on that score
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Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
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Went in on ASM with 2 friends (which created it's own logistical issues consuming the content, that's was on us, not Jason and Matt)

I just today read through the remarks on the thread asking about the ASM.

Just from poor business acumen many thread contributors exhibited on the forum here, it is pretty clear there is absolutely no need for concern about the market getting saturated. The thing that I think should be a concern, even for those making 5 or 6 figures a month selling private label on FBA, is having "all your eggs in one basket". That's why it makes sense to get things GOING on Amz FBA, and then use your brand position to leverage into other retailers.

Anyway, I think it's just inexperience CopyDog, but this thread title seems to imply that there are integrity issues with getting a refund from Jason and Matt. I'm sure it's an oversight on your part and probablt not intended that way... likely concern for getting back about $1000 which is a chunk of change.

You asked for the refund on a Friday... and became concerned you were being neglected by Monday morning? WAIT... but Monday afternoon/evening you were informed that a chargeback refund had been issued.

In my experience, that is some pretty fast action from a merchant!

Thoughts about the program... and the comments here about it.


• You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

NO... you don't HAVE to do that. But it would sure be foolish not to. It's YOUR business. And no, it probably would be less than brilliant for a manufacturer to send out free samples to everyone that says "yeah, I'm a big shot retailer you've never heard of... send me a free sample at your expense."

• If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

That concern is based on the poorly framed logic of the first one. My take on it? The money I paid to see the product just saved me spending $800 for a large order of an inferior product.

• You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

If you had really retained what you have learned, you woud know that they are explicit in saying you should settle on products that are "small and light", and that don't take up much space. You are ALSO instructed to do solid research on how to best ship stuff...

...there are solid companies (DHL, etc...) that can move stuff very nominal prices. But, you have to WORK HARD and use MATH to see if your ROI numbers work

• You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

NO... you don't HAVE to do this either. But if your hard work up to this point netted you a $7.20 product, that you can retail all day for $27 (from a real product niche... which, no, I won't divulge... but I'll say it sells to gun owners :-) ), NETTING you close to 100% profit... then buying quantity to increase you ROI by 20% to 40% would make sense.

Something that pans out into a real business, will be based on hard work, and the teacity to solve problems as they arise. There will also be risk.

Show my someone who has taken no risk at all trying to build a job replacing income... and I'll show you someone who has hopped from "next big thing" to "next big thing", and still not really made any money.

I'm not trying to pick on you CopyDog... what you decided in asking for a refund was you just being clear and honest in your assessment, that it "wasn't for you".

Prior to the internet... you would be stunned to find out how many retired folks have spent $50,000 to $100,000 of their hard earned money to buy into a franchise business, and earned themselves 60 to 80 hour weeks, and slim, if any, margins. Most of them fail.

Business is business. It's not a hobby... to build something that will throw off a lot of ROI once it has momentum takes a huge amount of work on the front end, problem solving skills... and tenacity to keep at it on those "bad days".

I can tell anyone on WF about a product that,if they rolled it out, would for SURE net them MILLIONS of dollars.

A safe non habit forming pill that was healthy, and made average folks focus, and take massive tenacious action on well formed business ideas seeing them past "proof of concept" to the decision making point of GO or NO-GO.

:-)

Best of luck!
Spot on with your information, I think people who had been in the course forget to memtion you do NOT need to get samples, AND do NOT need to ship from China. I live in the UK and found a supplier in the US, plus I didnt get any samples, in addition I have a profit margin of 68%, I only spend $800ish on inventory to get things started (I say only... I could have got less).

I am now placing my next order, which has been confirmed virtually via email. I also agree with your point, having all your eggs in one basket could have you at the mercy of Amazon, which is why its recommended to set up a store "once" you're consistently making sales.
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Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China.... It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
Then this course is not for you, the ASM course has virtually zero training on how to import from China, the training consisted of 1 - print out a shipping label from Amazon and send it to them and 2 - tell them to use DHL, hundreds of people left high and dry after being led down that path, horrible, one of the main reasons I asked for a refund
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you do NOT need to get samples
honestly only a complete idiot would not get samples 1st if buying from China

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AND do NOT need to ship from China
if you don't buy from China then you are eliminating about 90% of possible products, yes you can find suppliers in the USA but it's for a very limited range of products
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Hello vBox,

I PM'ed you about this one. Please reply on that because I am now ready to do this kind of business.

Thanks.



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well,

As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

PM me if anyone is interested.
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I see this course is re-opening again as they are doing a launch. For those of you that have bought it one of the things I am interested in is "branding" a product to sell. They talk about going to elance to have a designer design labels & packaging. Was that process explained/taught well enough to actually execute it and put it into practice ?

Also, the section on finding potential products to "brand". Was that thorough enough ?

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I got on an email list from someone promoting this and he claims he's making $50k/month with it.
I had no idea what it was so I came here to see if I could find out more about it. Glad I did. Thanks, as usual to the Warriors who give some inside info on a launch like this.

I had no idea it costs $4k and now that I know I'm definitely not interested.

$4k to invest in a business is fine if you know it's legit and will very likely work. But not really okay when it's from an Internet Marketer who is looking for a $2k payday for each person he gets to sign up. I actually trusted this person who sent me the emails about this but now I'm going to get off his list.

Why? Because I can see from the comments here that this is a risky business. I can see that one could easily spend $4k+ and end up losing money plus be driven mad with all kinds of headaches. I have had some small experience with China and it wasn't good.

Will this work for some people? Probably will. Will a lot of people invest money in it and either lose that money or struggle like hell to even break even? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that a lot of people will.

I think the main thing is that it's a very slick marketing campaign with a $4k cost and a $2k commission for each sale. Like someone said above, that tells you a LOT about what is going on here.

No thanks, I won't even bother to watch the videos or read the pdf's thank you very much.
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It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
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Been getting approx 3-5 emails a day from marketers marketing this new launch. after reading this post from top to bottom it is clear to me its over priced and very hypey indeed.
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I mean, if you're interested and can afford this program why not try it for the 30 days to see if the initial content is worth it? If not, then request a refund. Everyone who's asked for a refund has received one.

Everyone's level of comprehension is going to be a different. Some might have the time or enjoy scouring the web for some of the content that is found in ASM, but not me. It's time consuming and I rather have experts teach me.

I've watched their 3 free videos and have learned a ton thus far. I'm super excited about this course and hopefully in 6 months I can share my success stories.
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CammyCash - Just wondering - are you still happy with this course?
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Its very funny the people who have chimed in positively is people who have no track record in the forum. The way I see it there is a sucker born everyday and if you buy the course .... "THEN GUESS WHAT YOU ARE THE SUCKER FOR THAT DAY"... I remember the times when there was testimonials of people who took the courses and said they actually made money.

Now it is the norm to forget about testimonials of students who went through the course and have made some money with the course.

It is the norm for the product creator to talk about his success and his wealth ... but any good program or teacher would have some success students to validate them.

Guys stop buying products because it is good information ... If you cant take a product and beginning taking action right away then DONT BUY IT.

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It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
Yes if you really looking to get into this business and some real hand holding .. I agree get Jim Cockrum course ... Its called "PROVEN Amazon Course" You want to be able to make money ... Please stop buying shiny object ... Just learn to make $5 dollars consistently .... And watch who you follow .

Oh I highlighted proven because ... its been proven by other STUDENTS
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Not wanting to get into things here but really? Oh I know I opened a can of worms but you like slamming things you have no clue about?

Its fine if it is not for you but your comment on a sucker... really? dominodivine you have any experience with the material... doesn't look like it so how can you have such an aggressive opinion?

Pretty pathetic how you shoot anyone that says positive and only validate because of forum thread count.

Oh and your comment about proven... huh??? Sounds like you are not wanting to listen to the proof that has been shared but that is fine.

And as a matter of fact, the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.

I am ok with opinions, but do we really need to be insulting to people, especially when when being hypocritical about someone who does share?

So if I call the person that refunded a sucker because the people that stuck through it are killing it, would that be a cool thing to do? No... if something is not for someone fine, but why take stances like this?
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CammyCash - Just wondering - are you still happy with this course?
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I haven't taken the "plunge" yet, but I do plan on getting in before the cutoff to at least give a shot.

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Its very funny the people who have chimed in positively is people who have no track record in the forum. The way I see it there is a sucker born everyday and if you buy the course .... "THEN GUESS WHAT YOU ARE THE SUCKER FOR THAT DAY"... I remember the times when there was testimonials of people who took the courses and said they actually made money.

Now it is the norm to forget about testimonials of students who went through the course and have made some money with the course.

It is the norm for the product creator to talk about his success and his wealth ... but any good program or teacher would have some success students to validate them.

Guys stop buying products because it is good information ... If you cant take a product and beginning taking action right away then DONT BUY IT.



Yes if you really looking to get into this business and some real hand holding .. I agree get Jim Cockrum course ... Its called "PROVEN Amazon Course" You want to be able to make money ... Please stop buying shiny object ... Just learn to make $5 dollars consistently .... And watch who you follow .

Oh I highlighted proven because ... its been proven by other STUDENTS

Yea, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

There have been people who have taken ASM and said it was worth their investment and saw dividends pay off a few months after, but it's obvious you chose to back another WSO and that's just fine, but to take shots in that fashion by calling everyone a sucker if they take the course?

Did you take the course?

I didn't and I'm still not 100% on if I will or not, but I would NEVER knock something if I never tried it.
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Its very funny the people who have chimed in positively is people who have no track record in the forum. The way I see it there is a sucker born everyday and if you buy the course .... "THEN GUESS WHAT YOU ARE THE SUCKER FOR THAT DAY"... I remember the times when there was testimonials of people who took the courses and said they actually made money.

Now it is the norm to forget about testimonials of students who went through the course and have made some money with the course.

It is the norm for the product creator to talk about his success and his wealth ... but any good program or teacher would have some success students to validate them.

Guys stop buying products because it is good information ... If you cant take a product and beginning taking action right away then DONT BUY IT.



Yes if you really looking to get into this business and some real hand holding .. I agree get Jim Cockrum course ... Its called "PROVEN Amazon Course" You want to be able to make money ... Please stop buying shiny object ... Just learn to make $5 dollars consistently .... And watch who you follow .

Oh I highlighted proven because ... its been proven by other STUDENTS

I am so glad I read this thread. Specially your blunt, to the point answer DominoDivine. You just saved me at least $4000 and a lot of headache.
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Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
i've also heard of products (especially "popular" and competitive ones) suddenly being "held up at the dock"...then what do you do? and who do you turn to for help?...what happens when you run afoul of existing, very competitive U.S. companies? and swiping images (did i REALLY see this in their video?)....

this program is nothing i would sell to "warrior-forum-level" marketers....i just wouldn't...and with THAT kind of a price tag? wow.

ps i'm unsubscribing from every list that promoted it...they should know better....
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hello ,
i have very good connection with chinese Manufacturers, been doing it for years.
if any one want products , just say so its my business i can get any thing .
zoolner@gmail.com

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cammicash , what is your email ?
about the asm , i consider it my self .
just want to share knowledge .
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There has been quite a bit of 'noise' surfacing from disgruntled folks who bought Amazing Selling Machine and are seeing it's delivering nowhere near the hype.

I gave my readers/blog followers a heads-up (my gut feeling about ASM) in this video around the time of the launch:

Don't Do This (From Jordan) - YouTube

This situation (ASM and the delayed refunds, hidden cost 'surprises' and other things) gives the legitimate experts (on selling on Amazon) a really bad name.

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Can't see the video !! It says it is private even though I am a registered and logged in member of this forum. Any tips ?
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Matt and Jason have great reputations. I do not vouch for the product because I haven't tried it (never recommend something I don't personally try unlike other affiliates).

However, just because something is "expensive" which is a relative term, doesn't mean there isn't tremendous value in their teachings; if a $10k investment gave a chance of yielding a lifelong ecommerce business, most "rich" or financially secure people would jump on it. Let's face it, Amazon is the now and future of commerce.

I discovered the content through WP Zon (which is a fantastic wp plugin). I felt the initial 3 videos were eye-opening to some possibilities, and I'm sure the members area holds your hand through the process. I simply don't have the time and motivation to begin a completely new business model, but that doesn't give me the right to bash them for selling information and expertise into one of the most competitive and lucrative markets in the world - selling physical products.

Faint heart never won fair lady, and sour grapes are good expressions that apply to this thread. Yes, buyer beware is one of them but don't read something and say AH HA! I knew it wasn't good, or I knew it wasn't bad. That's like a republican watching Fox to validate his views, or a democrat watching CNN. If you look for something you're going to find it...but what you won't find is the potential to make more money and add more value to others lives.
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You can private message me or just google (without the quotes) 'Jordan Malik Amazing Selling Machine' to watch my reviews. (or click on my youtube badge to the left of this post), and look for my Amazing Selling Machine videos)

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Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
FYI - the sale is on right now for PAC (Proven Amazon Course)...will be under $100 through November.
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I read the Warrior's forum from time-to-time and sort through the comments whenever I'm looking for a piece of software or an IM tool. Overall, I have found it to be quite helpful.

Comments here are from normal humans, some are off-the-wall and others are quite detailed / sincere; others are certainly promotional and one might wonder about the agenda of others.

I'm a current ASM participant and one whose perspective is shaped from that of a profitable eCommerce company (hey, we make a living). I gave a lot of thought about making the ASM leap, and am now devoting considerable time to it. Everything that has occurred to date encourages me and reinforces my belief that this was the right business decision for me and my family. ASM will be a way to expand our business into branded products and it has been timed well for us.

I've invested in a number of successful enterprises and lost money in many others over 40-years so this was not some naive decision on my part. From a risk / reward perspective alone, it was a no-brainer simply because one cannot even start a substantial business for the somewhat low amount of capital that ASM requires (and even the inventory requirement are not large).

I’m not trivializing the amount of money this may represent for any individual, rather I’m pointing out that like any investment, one’s willingness to make that investment is completely a function of one’s belief in the results and one’s willingness to absorb risk. In this case, I was both willing to take the risk and completely dedicated to persistently seeing this through until it worked. I know it will work because I know that our basic business model works, so there is not much of a mental leap for me, it is simply a new marketing channel.

ASM is not going to work for everyone – the participants are simply a collection of people, some will try and some will give up. This I can tell you for sure – Matt and Jason are doing the best job I have seen in presenting the material in an absorbable, organized way, encouraging people to take baby-step-like actions each day of the week and move the ball without fail.

If people do not succeed, they can only look inward and will have no basis for blaming Matt or Jason – we are absolutely received value for monies paid.

Incidentally, I was very fortunate to purchase this course through Matt Carter who organized a sub-set of ASM (called ASM Accelerated) who provided additional coaching and other products / benefits in conjunction with Mark Ling. Matt Carter who went through a previous ASM course has been very helpful to our separate group as well.
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nvsjr - congrats on your first post!

You're right some won't make it. Most that have provided their thoughts on this post and the other in this forum don't even sell a private labeled product on Amazon.

It's good to hear that you were able to take the plunge and I hope it works out for you. Not sure if you saw my review I created about ASM. I was part of the group in March.

I posted it in this thread before with a few other comments, but all the posts I created are gone on this thread. Very odd.

If you click on the YouTube badge under my name you'll see the review video about Amazing Selling Machine review and my 8 simple & complete step-by-step to getting started selling on Amazon.
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Thank you everyone for all your helpful insights.
On the positive ~
The course is very thorough from what I've seen of it
I quite liked the main guy and he did say it needs be a worthy product.
Some folk will succeed
(less than 20% by my estimates from available stats)
Those who do have the right mindset and abilities to keep on keeping on through the many hurdles combined with luck.
They also need to not be effected by the high cost that may not ever be returned.

Then there is Average Jo who most of us are and we needs be very honest with ourselves
on whether we have all the qualities needed and can afford to gamble with such a large amount.

As many diligent folk have not even recouped their outlay after 8 mths and they only have access to the tools for 12 mths
then no doubt would have to pay another astronomical cost to keep using them.

Why? when 4,000 members x $4,000 = $16,000,000
(not bad for a few mths work, much more than most even at the very top will make in that time )

Up to half goes out to affiliates (so they do not have an incentive to see this clearly)

I have been a member for a month and here is why I am going to leave,
I've recently done due diligence off site including here
this was delayed because I trusted the biz savvy person who recommended it without an affiliate link.

However it was firstly because of what I observed on the site,
as it is set up to only show the top 25 out of original 2,000 plus

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the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.


The Badge system is a very, very clever way to get around this as they can get past not showing the average via it
and everyone is encouraged to become a sort of cheerleader,
eventually a mentor basing their encouragement on look at all my/the badges.
There is no way to see the real stats on those badges.

Everything on the site was aimed at one seeing the top stats
and mutual confidence boosting
I asked for the average stats on the site and was not answered.

That badge system is very clever.
It also binds you into their site system
(and to Amazon, which if you have the view of many re the Bismuth company steam rolling over the little community based biz
and making money from abusive porn, is not so good to feel bound to, to recoup your outlay.
They are not an ethical company)


I found a way to get around my concerns about Amazon by designing more ethical greener versions to find white label for
OR have manufactured and I would have liked to have started a trend that way.
I can not source and test that in the too short trial time frame.

There are many March people still not made their money back
they only have a years lease on using the software so 4 mnths left
else they are on their own or paying again.

The concept may well work but from the stats I could find
There is a thread on member achievement
149 topics some by the same people
many of them for minor achievements
All adds up to only a few will recover their outlay let alone make money via this course.

The course itself is well done and thorough from what i saw, if you do not mind being bound into them and their cheerleading system via their moral boosting, boasting badges.

Although i quite liked the main guy, the emotional manipulation stood out to me.
Great for motivation,
not so good for discernment, assessing the stats needed to base sound biz decisions on.

Basically most do not have all they need to succeed in this as it takes a certain temperament and energy to persist until it works.

I'd share more on the stats I found, however I am needing to put myself to escaping this in time ( by the 16th was the date I was given though I see others say a month past date of buying it)
and hope this helps some who need to see it
Look to all you have in written form for your bank, if they needs open a dispute. If your affiliate has misled you on that
well my bank seemed to think that was important ie they probably become who it's claimed from.

I have explained the situation to my bank
after requesting a refund via the affiliate
I was eventually given a link to do it from.

I do wonder if this is going so well for themselves in the biz model they promote, why they needs ask so much for it
It's the same story as usual~ Blind Greed and that is one of our emotions they play with,
though the desperate in need of hope is the one that seems most prevalent and the folks who will get most hurt from this.

Keep vigilant, google search ... is a scam whenever the stakes are this high

If you need links including to refund leave a message here

I wish you all the success you need
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Hi, I'm wondering if there is anyone that is a member of Amazing Selling machine, who wants to get out and would like to sell the account to me, or who are active and wouldn't mind partnering up.
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Is anyone in ASM and is willing to share access to their account? I'm looking to pay someone.
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well,

As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).
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I looked up this thread as well as anything else I could find on ASM because someone looking at my book asked me about ASM.

A WSO offering the program appeared on WF a few days ago, so I also read the sales page for that.

One thing that sticks out in all the advertising for this system is that turnover figures are quoted, but no profit figures. High turnover benefits Amazon, and gives employment to their staff, but how much does it add to your bank balance? I suppose being able to quote those big numbers might boost your ego (and maybe your affiliate sales,) but you can’t bank ego.

Private labeling is no big deal. There seems to be a sudden discovery that private labeling is possible. In my importing business that I started in 1987, a big % of the products we sold were private labelled. After I franchised the business I had a large number of franchisees who expected an absolute minimum 250% margin. My system delivered and still does, even though I am no longer involved, having been forced to retire.

Locating genuine manufacturers is no big deal once you know where to look. You will have great trouble locating them if you go to the popular websites such as Alibaba, Aliexpress, madeinchina.com, tradekey, DHgate, EC21, globalsources, etc. There are a few sourcing sites where you will find genuine manufacturers.

I don’t publish those names online because there is a lot more to importing than just finding suppliers. When it is possible to register domain names very similar to ones that are well known, you need to know the ropes to distinguish between a trustworthy site and another one with the same name that I would not touch with a barge pole when the only difference is hyphens.
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is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
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