Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

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Paid the first installment ($997) of four to
Amazing Selling Machine on March 17.

But when I started doing the course, discovered
there was further expense and more complexity
involved than was mentioned in the initial videos.

So last Friday (March 22) I asked for a refund in
their support section (there's a 30-day guaranteed
refund period).

I also (politely) asked Jason Katzenback for a refund
in a private message (no response from him).

Today (Monday) I checked my emails and get this
from their support section (even though I'd previously
asked them NOT to try to persuade me to change my
mind):

"Hello Eldo,

Is there anything we can help you with? Do you need
assistance with the training or are there any major issues
we can work out for you before you cancel?"

Then tried to login to my account at ASM and it says
"account deactivated"!

But I've received no email from ASM confirming
my refund.

Today phoned my credit card company and they say
I've received no refund from ASM.

I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTACT JASON OR MATT
ABOUT MY REFUND...

With each day that goes by my credit card is racking up
more interest (I asked for the refund last Friday, but still
no response).

Has anyone else on the Warrior Forum had this problem?

I'll keep you all updated about this.

This is VERY worrying.

If Jason or Matt read this, could you let me know why you
haven't yet issued my refund?
#product reviews #– #amazing #machine #problems #refund #selling
  • Profile picture of the author Copydog
    A few minutes ago I somehow managed to get into the
    ASM support section (even though they've deactivated
    my account) and have just submitted a new ticket
    "Why still no refund?"

    Will keep you posted about their response.
    • Profile picture of the author neilshearing
      Hi Eldo,

      Try phoning the credit card company saying that you requested a refund of the charge but it hasn't been processed yet and you're concerned about the interest that's accruing.

      If you're a long-time customer in good standing I would hope the credit card company would waive the interest.

      Neil.
  • Profile picture of the author vbox
    well,

    As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

    1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

    2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

    3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

    Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

    PM me if anyone is interested.
    • Profile picture of the author BusyMum_2010
      Hello vBox,

      I PM'ed you about this one. Please reply on that because I am now ready to do this kind of business.

      Thanks.



      Originally Posted by vbox View Post

      well,

      As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

      1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

      2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

      3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

      Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

      PM me if anyone is interested.
  • Profile picture of the author JamesBoyd
    I got my refund very fast, no problems on that score
    • Profile picture of the author NetSensei
      Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

      However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

      I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
  • Profile picture of the author ScrooG
    I got on an email list from someone promoting this and he claims he's making $50k/month with it.
    I had no idea what it was so I came here to see if I could find out more about it. Glad I did. Thanks, as usual to the Warriors who give some inside info on a launch like this.

    I had no idea it costs $4k and now that I know I'm definitely not interested.

    $4k to invest in a business is fine if you know it's legit and will very likely work. But not really okay when it's from an Internet Marketer who is looking for a $2k payday for each person he gets to sign up. I actually trusted this person who sent me the emails about this but now I'm going to get off his list.

    Why? Because I can see from the comments here that this is a risky business. I can see that one could easily spend $4k+ and end up losing money plus be driven mad with all kinds of headaches. I have had some small experience with China and it wasn't good.

    Will this work for some people? Probably will. Will a lot of people invest money in it and either lose that money or struggle like hell to even break even? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that a lot of people will.

    I think the main thing is that it's a very slick marketing campaign with a $4k cost and a $2k commission for each sale. Like someone said above, that tells you a LOT about what is going on here.

    No thanks, I won't even bother to watch the videos or read the pdf's thank you very much.
  • Profile picture of the author tadco
    It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
    • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
      Originally Posted by tadco View Post

      Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
      UPDATE Sept 2015:
      We don't charge our ProvenAmazonCourse students for any of our numerous new modules and updates. There are NO up-sells or surprise add-ons to this course. We just keep making it better for free! We are keeping the price as LOW as possible and we continue to have success stories POURING in. There's not need to pay thousands to learn these concepts.
    • Profile picture of the author Jacomara
      Originally Posted by tadco View Post

      It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
      Will give Jim's course a go!
  • Profile picture of the author MrLeisureUK
    Been getting approx 3-5 emails a day from marketers marketing this new launch. after reading this post from top to bottom it is clear to me its over priced and very hypey indeed.
  • Profile picture of the author dominodivine
    Its very funny the people who have chimed in positively is people who have no track record in the forum. The way I see it there is a sucker born everyday and if you buy the course .... "THEN GUESS WHAT YOU ARE THE SUCKER FOR THAT DAY"... I remember the times when there was testimonials of people who took the courses and said they actually made money.

    Now it is the norm to forget about testimonials of students who went through the course and have made some money with the course.

    It is the norm for the product creator to talk about his success and his wealth ... but any good program or teacher would have some success students to validate them.

    Guys stop buying products because it is good information ... If you cant take a product and beginning taking action right away then DONT BUY IT.

    Originally Posted by tadco View Post

    It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
    Yes if you really looking to get into this business and some real hand holding .. I agree get Jim Cockrum course ... Its called "PROVEN Amazon Course" You want to be able to make money ... Please stop buying shiny object ... Just learn to make $5 dollars consistently .... And watch who you follow .

    Oh I highlighted proven because ... its been proven by other STUDENTS
    • Profile picture of the author jkatzenback
      Not wanting to get into things here but really? Oh I know I opened a can of worms but you like slamming things you have no clue about?

      Its fine if it is not for you but your comment on a sucker... really? dominodivine you have any experience with the material... doesn't look like it so how can you have such an aggressive opinion?

      Pretty pathetic how you shoot anyone that says positive and only validate because of forum thread count.

      Oh and your comment about proven... huh??? Sounds like you are not wanting to listen to the proof that has been shared but that is fine.

      And as a matter of fact, the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.

      I am ok with opinions, but do we really need to be insulting to people, especially when when being hypocritical about someone who does share?

      So if I call the person that refunded a sucker because the people that stuck through it are killing it, would that be a cool thing to do? No... if something is not for someone fine, but why take stances like this?
  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Anton
    Matt and Jason have great reputations. I do not vouch for the product because I haven't tried it (never recommend something I don't personally try unlike other affiliates).

    However, just because something is "expensive" which is a relative term, doesn't mean there isn't tremendous value in their teachings; if a $10k investment gave a chance of yielding a lifelong ecommerce business, most "rich" or financially secure people would jump on it. Let's face it, Amazon is the now and future of commerce.

    I discovered the content through WP Zon (which is a fantastic wp plugin). I felt the initial 3 videos were eye-opening to some possibilities, and I'm sure the members area holds your hand through the process. I simply don't have the time and motivation to begin a completely new business model, but that doesn't give me the right to bash them for selling information and expertise into one of the most competitive and lucrative markets in the world - selling physical products.

    Faint heart never won fair lady, and sour grapes are good expressions that apply to this thread. Yes, buyer beware is one of them but don't read something and say AH HA! I knew it wasn't good, or I knew it wasn't bad. That's like a republican watching Fox to validate his views, or a democrat watching CNN. If you look for something you're going to find it...but what you won't find is the potential to make more money and add more value to others lives.
  • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
    nvsjr - congrats on your first post!

    You're right some won't make it. Most that have provided their thoughts on this post and the other in this forum don't even sell a private labeled product on Amazon.

    It's good to hear that you were able to take the plunge and I hope it works out for you. Not sure if you saw my review I created about ASM. I was part of the group in March.

    I posted it in this thread before with a few other comments, but all the posts I created are gone on this thread. Very odd.

    If you click on the YouTube badge under my name you'll see the review video about Amazing Selling Machine review and my 8 simple & complete step-by-step to getting started selling on Amazon.
  • Profile picture of the author lotusdragon
    Thank you everyone for all your helpful insights.
    On the positive ~
    The course is very thorough from what I've seen of it
    I quite liked the main guy and he did say it needs be a worthy product.
    Some folk will succeed
    (less than 20% by my estimates from available stats)
    Those who do have the right mindset and abilities to keep on keeping on through the many hurdles combined with luck.
    They also need to not be effected by the high cost that may not ever be returned.

    Then there is Average Jo who most of us are and we needs be very honest with ourselves
    on whether we have all the qualities needed and can afford to gamble with such a large amount.

    As many diligent folk have not even recouped their outlay after 8 mths and they only have access to the tools for 12 mths
    then no doubt would have to pay another astronomical cost to keep using them.

    Why? when 4,000 members x $4,000 = $16,000,000
    (not bad for a few mths work, much more than most even at the very top will make in that time )

    Up to half goes out to affiliates (so they do not have an incentive to see this clearly)

    I have been a member for a month and here is why I am going to leave,
    I've recently done due diligence off site including here
    this was delayed because I trusted the biz savvy person who recommended it without an affiliate link.

    However it was firstly because of what I observed on the site,
    as it is set up to only show the top 25 out of original 2,000 plus

    the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.


    The Badge system is a very, very clever way to get around this as they can get past not showing the average via it
    and everyone is encouraged to become a sort of cheerleader,
    eventually a mentor basing their encouragement on look at all my/the badges.
    There is no way to see the real stats on those badges.

    Everything on the site was aimed at one seeing the top stats
    and mutual confidence boosting
    I asked for the average stats on the site and was not answered.

    That badge system is very clever.
    It also binds you into their site system
    (and to Amazon, which if you have the view of many re the Bismuth company steam rolling over the little community based biz
    and making money from abusive porn, is not so good to feel bound to, to recoup your outlay.
    They are not an ethical company)


    I found a way to get around my concerns about Amazon by designing more ethical greener versions to find white label for
    OR have manufactured and I would have liked to have started a trend that way.
    I can not source and test that in the too short trial time frame.

    There are many March people still not made their money back
    they only have a years lease on using the software so 4 mnths left
    else they are on their own or paying again.

    The concept may well work but from the stats I could find
    There is a thread on member achievement
    149 topics some by the same people
    many of them for minor achievements
    All adds up to only a few will recover their outlay let alone make money via this course.

    The course itself is well done and thorough from what i saw, if you do not mind being bound into them and their cheerleading system via their moral boosting, boasting badges.

    Although i quite liked the main guy, the emotional manipulation stood out to me.
    Great for motivation,
    not so good for discernment, assessing the stats needed to base sound biz decisions on.

    Basically most do not have all they need to succeed in this as it takes a certain temperament and energy to persist until it works.

    I'd share more on the stats I found, however I am needing to put myself to escaping this in time ( by the 16th was the date I was given though I see others say a month past date of buying it)
    and hope this helps some who need to see it
    Look to all you have in written form for your bank, if they needs open a dispute. If your affiliate has misled you on that
    well my bank seemed to think that was important ie they probably become who it's claimed from.

    I have explained the situation to my bank
    after requesting a refund via the affiliate
    I was eventually given a link to do it from.

    I do wonder if this is going so well for themselves in the biz model they promote, why they needs ask so much for it
    It's the same story as usual~ Blind Greed and that is one of our emotions they play with,
    though the desperate in need of hope is the one that seems most prevalent and the folks who will get most hurt from this.

    Keep vigilant, google search ... is a scam whenever the stakes are this high

    If you need links including to refund leave a message here

    I wish you all the success you need
  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
    • Profile picture of the author Eoon
      Anybody with any experience in marketing online can recognize fluff in a pitch presented as substance.

      While I was listening to their pitch, I was looking for things that I could not learn and research on by myself. As they were talking I could recognize what the information might actually be. For example - do you really think that they have an "amazing secret on how to name your product for sales". Coooome on :rolleyes:

      And how to design, brand your product and what images to use, I am guessing also fluff. It would be a more serious offer if they hadn't used so many "amazing secrets" in the pitch. Common sense will tell you that, once branded, get a sample and use a professional photographer to make the atmosphere in the photos that will make the product more buy-able.

      One thing that I couldn't pin down is what they might be talking about when they talk about getting 5 star reviews. So, please, some of you that got it, can you just give an idea of what they might be proposing here. If it's getting your friends to write reviews or paying for reviews, then the ASM is just another build up on what could be compressed in a 100 page PDF that I would buy if it was 47 bucks.

      My gut feeling is that this product is for the people with enough money to splurge and that mindset that if you pay that much for something, then you are more likely to take action.

      Anyway, I am very curious on how they propose you get the 5 star reviews...

      Thanks in advance...
    • Profile picture of the author jimbean
      Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

      is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
      I have seen several videos for a relaunch, I think it is coming to an end soon.

      I watched all the training videos 6 months ago when it last launched and got quite excited about the opportunity.

      Based on the free videos, I did dome initial research, particularly in the cost of sourcing samples and shipping products. I picked a few products and done some rudimentary ROI calculations and decided at the time it is not within my budget to take advantage of this opportunity.

      It certainly sounds like a great opportunity if you have the time and cash to invest, I will stick to building my list for now and perhaps I will be ready next time it launches.

      If you are going to join then check around as some marketers are offering some good bonuses if you sign up through them.

      I wish you all the best whatever you decide to do.
  • Profile picture of the author lotusdragon
    JIM COCKRUM pretty please come back and put yours on offer again,
    to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

    Folk just look to the difference in how balanced JIM's attitude is
    to how the smarmy $led vendors and promoters of ASM are.

    They sure changed their tone when I said about leaving
    "You'll never get your dreams any other way" was the fear psychology they laid on me.
    This coming from the ex monk?' Jason's stable, after all the "even if you are only in it 4 weeks, you'll learn a lot from it", intro vid.
    Funny how folk change their tone when they see their $2000 commission slipping away.

    I've been inside ASM and even over qualified folk are working like slaves just to get their investment back.

    Sure the few who succeed can do very well and would be inclined to sing its praises,
    just as the so called mentors on site are trained to do, to keep you there till it's too late.

    The mentors mirror back what the members say on posts as 'encouragement'

    Then there is how hard the next part is just after the 30days is up

    It's set up to lock you into the machine, which was my first alert.
    It is very deceptive, constantly recycling only the very few who do succeed in front of folk. Every success - no failures.
    Which is also what the so called mentor support does, ever so positively encouraging 'look to all the badges' which as they usually have many and respond to every post,
    are very liberally sprinkled absolutely everywhere, giving a very false picture.

    If it were not about parting you from $4000 with a course few are able to succeed in,
    it would be an excellent model in success psychology.

    Then there is the tool that is against Amazon's TOS that again cheats at presenting the figures by putting good reviews at the top whilst disappearing the bad out of sight.

    It's always good to remember this basic 'if a vendor is offering you something to manipulate others, you can be pretty sure they are manipulating you'.
    This is basic common sense, most of the trickery in IM depends on folk being $ blinded.

    There are good lessons to be learnt from this OTT example that will help protect you in IM in general.
    97% fail whilst supporting the luxury of the 3% who succeed
    less than 1% succeed via ethical routes.

    My (due diligence) research showed less than 10% succeed including those highly qualified and hard working.
    A very few others are flukes, more luck than anything else although they may still have to work hard.

    I have had exchanges with folk very well equipped to assess this and it is not good news.

    Also they are aiming at newbies, folk who have no experience of the games of IM.

    The stories from those ordinary good folk who failed and lost everything is heart rending:
    life savings of very old pensioners, just wanting to be able to see their grandkids more. Borrowers of the $4,000 who do not even have a roof over their head, like the woman who adopted 8 kids with learning challenges and raised them to live happy independent lives and has nothing left.

    It's for them, for the many other like them already ruined by this and those others innocently being drawn in now that I am speaking out.

    I did not find out in time to help others escape last time and prevention is better than cure.

    • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
      Originally Posted by lotusdragon View Post

      JIM COCKRUM pretty please come back and put yours on offer again,
      to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

      @Lotusdraggon - thanks for the supportive comments and research.

      Two thoughts (updated Sept 2015):
      The "ProvenAmazonCourse" is priced FAR lower than it should be (and still thousands less than ASM). Lately it's been improved to include new content (such as China sourcing, wholesale sourcing, international selling (HUGE!) a world class Private Label course taught by one of the all time most success full Private Label experts on the planet. We've been updating our course, adding support staff, and giving our all new content we create in this niche for FREE for years. You won't find anyone with a longer term success record teaching how to sell physical product online. We've been leading in this niche since 2002.

      next -
      While I have very strong opinions on some of the issues you've raised, I'm unlikely to enter a public debate over the merits of any given course - especially one that I'm in direct competition with. Because of my conflict of interest here I can't expect strangers (unfamiliar with my reputation) to take my word as truth. I'll let people do their own research (Please do!) and let the many other fans of our work defend what we've built.

      That being said, we do regularly survey ALL of the students of the "Proven Amazon Course" (the one that competes directly with ASM), and the results continue to be simply incredible - we report the survey results on the bottom of the simple sales page for our course. I challenge ANY AND ALL creators of "how to courses" to follow suit and report a full student survey to the world.

      In virtually spontaneous fashion we've sold out three huge events in a single day. Among the attendees, nearly all are using our ideas to succeed online. I'll let the RESULTS and my REPUTATION speak for itself here - I'll not allow myself to get dragged into public debate however.

      We've found that selling private label products is NOT an easy game, but with the proper instruction and approach it is one of several viable models for profiting on Amazon. We teach numerous success strategies in our community - all of which can be done with a good outsource team (you don't have to put tape on boxes to do this business!)

      We are committed to making the PAC course the best in the world at the most reasonable price. I say it's the most up to date, most transparent (we report our student results in a survey right on our sales page), most supported (over 30 paid staff supporting it), most helpful community (13,500+ in our Facebook group), and most comprehensive course in this niche (multiple strategies for success with physical products)...all at an incredibly low price.
  • Profile picture of the author ventureprofits
    I got some free access (seems like they will be pitching something in soon). Don't know why different products.
  • Profile picture of the author netrover
    ASM suggests you can find manufacturers in the U.S. and sell their stuff on Amazon; "it's just a matter of researching the profitable products like shower mirrors." They say manufacturers are not into the business of retail because that's not their business model. I tend to disagree. Manufacturers will sell wholesale to retailers, but they will also sell their own stuff on Amazon as well and usually under sell their retailers.

    Their (ASM) claims simply go against universal business and free market principles. There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices; and deal with the many competitors on Amazon. Just do a test search of any commodity on Amazon, like cell phone cases or even shower mirrors and note the long list of sellers jockeying for your attention. What Amazon is brilliant at doing is forcing down prices. It makes the retail market extremely efficient; prices can change by the hour. There are inventors who put up a product of their own, and the next week a knock off is selling it at half the price, and it's too hard to track them down because they are in Asia and are hard to pin down; not to mention the legal costs, time, energy and stress.

    The Golden Rule -- trust your instincts! look through the hype and do your due diligence.
    • Profile picture of the author SamOne
      So I figured I would chime in here and post on this rather "active" thread...

      I have not purchased ASM, nor am I inclined to. I'm gathering from this thread that the program involves sourcing stock products from overseas, private labelling it with your own brand, shipping it to Amazon, and then selling exclusively on Amazon.com

      This is a wonderful idea, depending of course on a few things.

      1) What is the product you are selling? Is it manufactured in the USA, or overseas? What's the demand like for this product and are a lot of people selling it?

      2) Amazon takes quite the hefty commission on all products sold on their site. So does your product allow a high enough margin in order for this to be worth your time?

      3) Did you know that in order to sell on Amazon.com, you first have to show them that you already have some sort of existing website that you "sell" your products on? I hope they go over that in the course.

      4) Did you also know that if you don't own the brand of whatever product you are selling (ie, reselling someone else's product which is what most people do), then Amazon can easily (and will) go to your supplier, order the same product in bulk at a deep discount, and then undercut you on their site? Thereby effectively rendering your business, well, useless!

      I've been quietly working away on my own website that features a very hot and in demand product. This website is completely automated. It is set to take a customers order, verify that the address is good,charges the payment, sends it to a fulfillment house (automatically) that picks, packs, and ships the product to the customer. I am also selling this same product on Amazon.com ( that's two independent distribution channels). Half of the inventory is in one fulfillment centre, the other half is over at Amazon.

      I am contemplating selling this as a turn-key business to anyone who's very serious about owning, running and profiting from their own automated manufacturing business.

      This is a SINGLE opportunity, I'm not selling the same thing to 100 different people...

      No I will not disclose the product/niche here. If you are interested then PM me and Ill give you the details.
    • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
      Originally Posted by srjjames View Post

      Is anyone in ASM and is willing to share access to their account? I'm looking to pay someone.
      @srjjames - Invest in yourself brother. If you are looking for an alternative without all the software. Click on the YouTube icon under my name and watch my Amazon presentation.

      Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

      is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
      @Claire Koch - If you were to do that, you could be running away from a great opportunity. Everyone has their opinions and some are more one sided.

      In the video I created with my honest opinion on YouTube. I felt I provided a very good preservative of the good and bad.

      Originally Posted by roadrunner2009 View Post

      Hi Claire,

      Like you I looked at this 3 years ago, and for some reason I see that its not all it says it is...I personally think they just wait each year for the NEWBIEs to appear and off they go again and that is what they are doing right now....

      So much of what they say does not ring true, I do however from what I have seen see they have some good software that makes the job a little bit easier.

      I personally think Jim Cockrums FBA programme is much better and a better price by a mile.

      Hope this helps

      Regards

      Sam
      @roadrunner2009 - ASM and Jim's course are different in the aspect they are teaching two different methods to create success on Amazon. There are a few other threads that discuss it on Warrior Forum

      Originally Posted by robertson27 View Post

      Jim cockrum's amazon course is much cheaper or you can learn to drop ship from amazon using ds domination for as little as 20 dollars per month.
      @Robertson27 - Same thing I wrote above to roadrunner2009

      Originally Posted by linusk View Post

      I am so happy that I have read all the comments about ASM on thos warrior forum, Right now as of April-2014 marketers are bombarding the ASM promotion andtheir free software-http://profitspotlight.com.

      I have made up my mid as to waht I will do!

      Warrior Forum is so informative.

      Hope the ASM guys are reading it as well.

      Special Thank to everyone who have commented and helped me to make my decision.
      @linusk - Before you do, I would like the opportunity to provide you my thoughts and what I have to offer.

      Originally Posted by ontyme View Post

      WOW...this has really been fun reading the comments here....some one should make a reality show about the responses that happened here....different people sitting at there computer pecking away at what they believe and what they don't believe...I am imagining the intensity on their faces the pounding of the keys... there is a big smile on my face and chuckles coming from me...ha ha ha ha...too bad no one can hear me...it really is funny...

      some one will always have something to say...good or bad...the answer to any problem will always lie in YOU!!!....all decisions concerning you will be made by YOU!!...you either believe in Amazon Selling Machine or you don't...You either believe in Proven...whatever it's called or you don't...If you take a strangers word for it being good or bad...your choice once again...I personally only go for the person who has "been there, done that"...and even then I proceed with caution...

      I guess the only person I would really trust is my mother...she's 77 yrs old and has no interest in any IM product...so that just leaves me and my own common and hopefully good sense...which isn't always correct...I get it more wrong than right...if anyone is looking for the perfect business model good luck...if anyone is looking for something that is risk free....good luck...with ANYTHING in life, business, relationships, ...etc...I don't care what it is when it comes to taking a chance.....YOU THROW THE DICE AND YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES!!!
      @ontyme - All great things worth having take risk

      Originally Posted by netrover View Post

      ASM suggests you can find manufacturers in the U.S. and sell their stuff on Amazon; "it's just a matter of researching the profitable products like shower mirrors." They say manufacturers are not into the business of retail because that's not their business model. I tend to disagree. Manufacturers will sell wholesale to retailers, but they will also sell their own stuff on Amazon as well and usually under sell their retailers.

      Their (ASM) claims simply go against universal business and free market principles. There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices; and deal with the many competitors on Amazon. Just do a test search of any commodity on Amazon, like cell phone cases or even shower mirrors and note the long list of sellers jockeying for your attention. What Amazon is brilliant at doing is forcing down prices. It makes the retail market extremely efficient; prices can change by the hour. There are inventors who put up a product of their own, and the next week a knock off is selling it at half the price, and it's too hard to track them down because they are in Asia and are hard to pin down; not to mention the legal costs, time, energy and stress.

      The Golden Rule -- trust your instincts! look through the hype and do your due diligence.
      @Netrover - Finding manufactures is a lot harder to find and sometimes non existent in the USA. There are some you can find easily like skin care products, but our world is global now and a lot of manufacturing is in China. The Chinese are not bad people.

      Not sure how much experience you have, but my work with manufactures only look to run off hundreds if not thousands of a product. They look to sell to disturbers, then so on.

      Manufactures are not usually set up for that business model since it is totally different and they are only looking to sell large bulk.

      The point with ASM is to create your brand. Instead of going into again what that means and the advantages of it. I discuss it in this thread on the forum.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post9098469

      I also created a presentation on YouTube talking about it and the process.

      Originally Posted by ihatetyping View Post

      Super glad Google brought me to this thread!!!
      Thanks very much for the JIM COCKRUM suggestion.
      Being on a tight budget I learned a long time ago if their afraid to show you the price of anything, it's going to be steep (not saying price of ASM is not worth it).
      I am saying JIM COCKRUM 's course is easily within my budget.

      Thanks for this great discussion board.
      @ihatetyping - Jim's course and ASM are two totally different business models. They are not the same.
  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    Hey jordanmalik,did you make your YouTube video private?
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
      Guys, im not going to get too much into detail just yet, but it is a well known secret that many of the "top dawgs" just skip the "hardest" part of the whole process and sell supplements

      This means that the manufacturing part is EASY as you send them or pick a formula and it is done in the USA.

      That moves eliminates your MAJOR friction point of supplier (that kills most people) and lets you focus on marketing.

      Supplements are easier to sell and you can sometimes get them on an auto rebill within the amazon system as well and personally the 8 people I know that are doing ASM and making between 10k-500k a month, 7 of them are doing supplements.

      Not to say that Non-supplements don't work. I don't know, i just know that the guys who I know that are "winning" are all doing supplements.
    • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
      Hi, I did because it's several months old. I have new videos, though. If you click on the youtube icon link next to my name (to the left of this post) you'll see my new series. I have 3 videos out now about alternatives, a 4th one coming out in a couple days.

      Originally Posted by tyronne78 View Post

      Hey jordanmalik,did you make your YouTube video private?
  • Profile picture of the author SamOne
    So I had a feeling that this course was based on selling private label supplements on Amazon...

    I've been doing it for awhile without paying 4K into the course, makes me want to make my own info product on this..oh wait I already did (launching soon)

    If anyone wants coaching on how to do exactly what these guys are teaching, PM me and Ill hook you up.
    • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
      Originally Posted by SamOne View Post

      So I had a feeling that this course was based on selling private label supplements on Amazon...

      I've been doing it for awhile without paying 4K into the course, makes me want to make my own info product on this..oh wait I already did (launching soon)

      If anyone wants coaching on how to do exactly what these guys are teaching, PM me and Ill hook you up.
      The course talks about selling a private label, nothing in the training is specific to supplements.

      @Greg Jacobs is the one talking about the opportunity with supplements.
  • Profile picture of the author tim413
    Sorry to hear your situation Mamalisa! Could your problem be from someone messing with you on Amazon?
  • Profile picture of the author malia
    The lesson we learned from this is one must use Amazon as a tool in a large marketing tool-chest. It's very risky to build a business which is solely dependent upon selling through their system.

    I would caution anyone who is starting on a shoestring to be careful to not over extend yourself to buy the course because the Amazon model is not as secure as the course makes it appear (Maybe that risk is covered in the course, I don't know). Anyway, please be aware that you can get booted off Amazon through no fault of your own. I wouldn't have believed it had it not happened to us.

    Thanks for letting me share my story with you. Being that we just refiled the second appeal today, feelings are a little raw
    I had a similar thing happen to me. I primarily sell in a category that requires approval and had my category privileges revoked... with my inventory sitting in Amazon's warehouse. This was not over an issue of authenticity, this was over not submitting data feed to a sandbox account (after YEARS of selling on Amazon).

    It took MONTHS to work out (I believe 9) and the entire experience left me pretty 'raw' about Amazon also. It is not, and was not, my major sales channel and the inventory there was not most of my inventory. I am glad you posted your experience because it's not all sunshine and rainbows when dealing with Amazon's bureaucracy.
  • Profile picture of the author bomark2002
    you better get that credit card blocked, if they have not responded they intend to do it again then you will have another $997.00 on top of that one. I was almost convinced with what they were doing but, something just wasnt right about it and then i found this site and now I am definitely NOT going to waste money i would have to borrow in the first place, good luck.
  • Profile picture of the author partyman
    Jim Cockrum - please do your 99 dollar Warrior Forum special again for the Proven Amazon Course.

    This is post 102 in this tread and you have not answered. Please do.
    • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
      Originally Posted by partyman View Post

      Jim Cockrum - please do your 99 dollar Warrior Forum special again for the Proven Amazon Course.

      This is post 102 in this tread and you have not answered. Please do.
      I'm truly honored at the overwhelmingly supportive reaction my PAC course has gotten on the forums here - My team and I have diligently answered questions from hundreds of people at this point in the past few weeks alone. That same team is also working very hard to continually update and improve the course - literally DAILY it gets better with new content, new sourcing ideas and layout improvements.

      Also keep in mind that we only charge a one time fee and you get all future updates. We don't have any other fees in the future as the course improves. We pay a large staff (over 30) moderators to help on our forums, and I pay student experts VERY well to add in their ideas. It's like an evolving wikipedia of the best ideas for selling product on Amazon.

      For those reasons and more the current price (which is WAY below the high point of $700) is more than fair. We simply can't justify giving it away for a lower price any longer. I ran that price special as long as we could, but it's been expired for some time now.
    • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
      The Proven Amazon Course's content (if you were to buy everything individually) is probably $5,000 (arguably much higher). $247 is a steal, and if it were $347 or $399 or $499, I'd say the same thing. Is the course perfect? No, but it's one of 4 that are proven to work for its members and Jim's 100% money back, no hassles guarantee is one of the best if not the best in the industry.

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