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Unread 25th March 2013, 04:50 AM   #1
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Default Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

Paid the first installment ($997) of four to
Amazing Selling Machine on March 17.

But when I started doing the course, discovered
there was further expense and more complexity
involved than was mentioned in the initial videos.

So last Friday (March 22) I asked for a refund in
their support section (there's a 30-day guaranteed
refund period).

I also (politely) asked Jason Katzenback for a refund
in a private message (no response from him).

Today (Monday) I checked my emails and get this
from their support section (even though I'd previously
asked them NOT to try to persuade me to change my
mind):

"Hello Eldo,

Is there anything we can help you with? Do you need
assistance with the training or are there any major issues
we can work out for you before you cancel?"

Then tried to login to my account at ASM and it says
"account deactivated"!

But I've received no email from ASM confirming
my refund.

Today phoned my credit card company and they say
I've received no refund from ASM.

I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTACT JASON OR MATT
ABOUT MY REFUND...

With each day that goes by my credit card is racking up
more interest (I asked for the refund last Friday, but still
no response).

Has anyone else on the Warrior Forum had this problem?

I'll keep you all updated about this.

This is VERY worrying.

If Jason or Matt read this, could you let me know why you
haven't yet issued my refund?
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Unread 25th March 2013, 05:23 AM   #2
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Default Re: Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

A few minutes ago I somehow managed to get into the
ASM support section (even though they've deactivated
my account) and have just submitted a new ticket
"Why still no refund?"

Will keep you posted about their response.
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Hi Eldo,

Try phoning the credit card company saying that you requested a refund of the charge but it hasn't been processed yet and you're concerned about the interest that's accruing.

If you're a long-time customer in good standing I would hope the credit card company would waive the interest.

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Hi Neil,

The credit card company said I have to write
to them and explain the whole situation.

Then they will look into this (in the meantime
my credit card is racking up extra daily interest
and my wife and I are losing money we simply
can't afford to lose).

I was hoping the people running AMS would
have issued my refund by now, so I wouldn't
have to take up even more precious work time
writing such a letter.

Still no further response (nothing from them
in my email inbox) – now 2.04 p.m. GMT,
10.04 a.m. EST).

They should have issued the refund last Friday,
as soon as I requested it.

Thanks for your concern.

Much appreciated.

Will keep you all posted.

Anyone else who paid the first $997 installment
(or the full amount [over $3,000]) and who is
thinking of bailing out should be aware of how
these people deal with refunds...
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Default Re: •••> Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

Also interesting that the "live support" button
on their support page says that live support is
"offline" (now 10.14 a.m. EST, 2.14 GMT).

So it's not possible to "chat" real time with
anyone at AMS support.

I wonder if they're being flooded with refund
requests and so don't want to make anyone at
their support center available for live "chat".
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Good news!

Have just received this email from AMS support:

From: ASM Support <support@amazingsellingmachine.com>
Subject: [#QCO-495-32589]: Why is "Live Support" offline? Why have you closed my previous tickets?
Date: 25 March 2013 14:59:01 GMT

Hello Eldo,

We have closed the previous tickets because we have processed your refund request. Here is your invoice for the refund:
Merchant Amazing Selling Machine
2100 West Loop South, STE 900
Houston, TX 77027
US 7055757631

Order Information
Description:
Order Number: P.O. Number:
Customer ID: 25093 Invoice Number:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Billing Information Shipping Information
<snip>



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Shipping: 0.00
Tax: 0.00
Total: USD (997.00)


Visa XXXXXXX6
Date/Time: 23-Mar-2013 08:29:24 PDT
Transaction ID: 5106884055
Transaction Status: Refund
Authorization Code:
Payment Method: Visa XXXXXXX6

Also regarding our live support, I will mention this to our customer support manager and let him know.

in.

Best Regards,

Pamela W
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Sagbee, sorry for not replying sooner (have been too busy to get back to the WF).

• You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

• If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

• You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

• You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

And there are probably other costs involved as well (this opportunity is not for someone on a tight budget).

Plus there's the monthly payment of $997 (so it would take 4 months to go through the whole course and get up and running solidly).

Although this will probably work for some (I hope it does), it's not for me.

Glad I got a refund and moved on...
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There has been quite a bit of 'noise' surfacing from disgruntled folks who bought Amazing Selling Machine whom are saying it's delivering nowhere near the hype.

I gave my readers/blog followers a heads-up (my gut feeling about ASM) in this video around the time of the launch (updated in April 2014):

Amazing Selling Machine Low Cost Alternative- YouTube


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Jordan,

Many thanks for the very valuable info in your video.

I wish I'd seen this before getting involved with Amazing Selling Machine...

All the best,

Eldo
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I agree their prelaunch PDF's were good and got me interested in possibly selling physical products on Azon until the sticker shock. Thanks to Jordan Malik for pointing out in his review that rebranding products is risky business due to liability issues. Would any warriors who purchased their system please comment on the results they're having? Thanks and GLTA.
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well,

As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

PM me if anyone is interested.
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It was and still is an excellent course
Re Opening.... I bet the current members are going to be really happy about that!

The only people promoting this are those with an eye on the $1500-2000 affiliate commission they will earn.... sort of tells you what the real value in the course is if they can give away 1/2 the course fee to affiliates

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I got my refund very fast, no problems on that score
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Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
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Went in on ASM with 2 friends (which created it's own logistical issues consuming the content, that's was on us, not Jason and Matt)

I just today read through the remarks on the thread asking about the ASM.

Just from poor business acumen many thread contributors exhibited on the forum here, it is pretty clear there is absolutely no need for concern about the market getting saturated. The thing that I think should be a concern, even for those making 5 or 6 figures a month selling private label on FBA, is having "all your eggs in one basket". That's why it makes sense to get things GOING on Amz FBA, and then use your brand position to leverage into other retailers.

Anyway, I think it's just inexperience CopyDog, but this thread title seems to imply that there are integrity issues with getting a refund from Jason and Matt. I'm sure it's an oversight on your part and probablt not intended that way... likely concern for getting back about $1000 which is a chunk of change.

You asked for the refund on a Friday... and became concerned you were being neglected by Monday morning? WAIT... but Monday afternoon/evening you were informed that a chargeback refund had been issued.

In my experience, that is some pretty fast action from a merchant!

Thoughts about the program... and the comments here about it.


• You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

NO... you don't HAVE to do that. But it would sure be foolish not to. It's YOUR business. And no, it probably would be less than brilliant for a manufacturer to send out free samples to everyone that says "yeah, I'm a big shot retailer you've never heard of... send me a free sample at your expense."

• If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

That concern is based on the poorly framed logic of the first one. My take on it? The money I paid to see the product just saved me spending $800 for a large order of an inferior product.

• You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

If you had really retained what you have learned, you woud know that they are explicit in saying you should settle on products that are "small and light", and that don't take up much space. You are ALSO instructed to do solid research on how to best ship stuff...

...there are solid companies (DHL, etc...) that can move stuff very nominal prices. But, you have to WORK HARD and use MATH to see if your ROI numbers work

• You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

NO... you don't HAVE to do this either. But if your hard work up to this point netted you a $7.20 product, that you can retail all day for $27 (from a real product niche... which, no, I won't divulge... but I'll say it sells to gun owners :-) ), NETTING you close to 100% profit... then buying quantity to increase you ROI by 20% to 40% would make sense.

Something that pans out into a real business, will be based on hard work, and the teacity to solve problems as they arise. There will also be risk.

Show my someone who has taken no risk at all trying to build a job replacing income... and I'll show you someone who has hopped from "next big thing" to "next big thing", and still not really made any money.

I'm not trying to pick on you CopyDog... what you decided in asking for a refund was you just being clear and honest in your assessment, that it "wasn't for you".

Prior to the internet... you would be stunned to find out how many retired folks have spent $50,000 to $100,000 of their hard earned money to buy into a franchise business, and earned themselves 60 to 80 hour weeks, and slim, if any, margins. Most of them fail.

Business is business. It's not a hobby... to build something that will throw off a lot of ROI once it has momentum takes a huge amount of work on the front end, problem solving skills... and tenacity to keep at it on those "bad days".

I can tell anyone on WF about a product that,if they rolled it out, would for SURE net them MILLIONS of dollars.

A safe non habit forming pill that was healthy, and made average folks focus, and take massive tenacious action on well formed business ideas seeing them past "proof of concept" to the decision making point of GO or NO-GO.

:-)

Best of luck!
Spot on with your information, I think people who had been in the course forget to memtion you do NOT need to get samples, AND do NOT need to ship from China. I live in the UK and found a supplier in the US, plus I didnt get any samples, in addition I have a profit margin of 68%, I only spend $800ish on inventory to get things started (I say only... I could have got less).

I am now placing my next order, which has been confirmed virtually via email. I also agree with your point, having all your eggs in one basket could have you at the mercy of Amazon, which is why its recommended to set up a store "once" you're consistently making sales.
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Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China.... It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
Then this course is not for you, the ASM course has virtually zero training on how to import from China, the training consisted of 1 - print out a shipping label from Amazon and send it to them and 2 - tell them to use DHL, hundreds of people left high and dry after being led down that path, horrible, one of the main reasons I asked for a refund
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you do NOT need to get samples
honestly only a complete idiot would not get samples 1st if buying from China

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AND do NOT need to ship from China
if you don't buy from China then you are eliminating about 90% of possible products, yes you can find suppliers in the USA but it's for a very limited range of products
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Hello vBox,

I PM'ed you about this one. Please reply on that because I am now ready to do this kind of business.

Thanks.



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well,

As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

PM me if anyone is interested.
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I see this course is re-opening again as they are doing a launch. For those of you that have bought it one of the things I am interested in is "branding" a product to sell. They talk about going to elance to have a designer design labels & packaging. Was that process explained/taught well enough to actually execute it and put it into practice ?

Also, the section on finding potential products to "brand". Was that thorough enough ?

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I got on an email list from someone promoting this and he claims he's making $50k/month with it.
I had no idea what it was so I came here to see if I could find out more about it. Glad I did. Thanks, as usual to the Warriors who give some inside info on a launch like this.

I had no idea it costs $4k and now that I know I'm definitely not interested.

$4k to invest in a business is fine if you know it's legit and will very likely work. But not really okay when it's from an Internet Marketer who is looking for a $2k payday for each person he gets to sign up. I actually trusted this person who sent me the emails about this but now I'm going to get off his list.

Why? Because I can see from the comments here that this is a risky business. I can see that one could easily spend $4k+ and end up losing money plus be driven mad with all kinds of headaches. I have had some small experience with China and it wasn't good.

Will this work for some people? Probably will. Will a lot of people invest money in it and either lose that money or struggle like hell to even break even? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that a lot of people will.

I think the main thing is that it's a very slick marketing campaign with a $4k cost and a $2k commission for each sale. Like someone said above, that tells you a LOT about what is going on here.

No thanks, I won't even bother to watch the videos or read the pdf's thank you very much.
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It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
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Been getting approx 3-5 emails a day from marketers marketing this new launch. after reading this post from top to bottom it is clear to me its over priced and very hypey indeed.
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Its very funny the people who have chimed in positively is people who have no track record in the forum. The way I see it there is a sucker born everyday and if you buy the course .... "THEN GUESS WHAT YOU ARE THE SUCKER FOR THAT DAY"... I remember the times when there was testimonials of people who took the courses and said they actually made money.

Now it is the norm to forget about testimonials of students who went through the course and have made some money with the course.

It is the norm for the product creator to talk about his success and his wealth ... but any good program or teacher would have some success students to validate them.

Guys stop buying products because it is good information ... If you cant take a product and beginning taking action right away then DONT BUY IT.

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It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
Yes if you really looking to get into this business and some real hand holding .. I agree get Jim Cockrum course ... Its called "PROVEN Amazon Course" You want to be able to make money ... Please stop buying shiny object ... Just learn to make $5 dollars consistently .... And watch who you follow .

Oh I highlighted proven because ... its been proven by other STUDENTS
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Not wanting to get into things here but really? Oh I know I opened a can of worms but you like slamming things you have no clue about?

Its fine if it is not for you but your comment on a sucker... really? dominodivine you have any experience with the material... doesn't look like it so how can you have such an aggressive opinion?

Pretty pathetic how you shoot anyone that says positive and only validate because of forum thread count.

Oh and your comment about proven... huh??? Sounds like you are not wanting to listen to the proof that has been shared but that is fine.

And as a matter of fact, the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.

I am ok with opinions, but do we really need to be insulting to people, especially when when being hypocritical about someone who does share?

So if I call the person that refunded a sucker because the people that stuck through it are killing it, would that be a cool thing to do? No... if something is not for someone fine, but why take stances like this?
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Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
i've also heard of products (especially "popular" and competitive ones) suddenly being "held up at the dock"...then what do you do? and who do you turn to for help?...what happens when you run afoul of existing, very competitive U.S. companies? and swiping images (did i REALLY see this in their video?)....

this program is nothing i would sell to "warrior-forum-level" marketers....i just wouldn't...and with THAT kind of a price tag? wow.

ps i'm unsubscribing from every list that promoted it...they should know better....
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Matt and Jason have great reputations. I do not vouch for the product because I haven't tried it (never recommend something I don't personally try unlike other affiliates).

However, just because something is "expensive" which is a relative term, doesn't mean there isn't tremendous value in their teachings; if a $10k investment gave a chance of yielding a lifelong ecommerce business, most "rich" or financially secure people would jump on it. Let's face it, Amazon is the now and future of commerce.

I discovered the content through WP Zon (which is a fantastic wp plugin). I felt the initial 3 videos were eye-opening to some possibilities, and I'm sure the members area holds your hand through the process. I simply don't have the time and motivation to begin a completely new business model, but that doesn't give me the right to bash them for selling information and expertise into one of the most competitive and lucrative markets in the world - selling physical products.

Faint heart never won fair lady, and sour grapes are good expressions that apply to this thread. Yes, buyer beware is one of them but don't read something and say AH HA! I knew it wasn't good, or I knew it wasn't bad. That's like a republican watching Fox to validate his views, or a democrat watching CNN. If you look for something you're going to find it...but what you won't find is the potential to make more money and add more value to others lives.
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You can private message me or just google (without the quotes) 'Jordan Malik Amazing Selling Machine' to watch my reviews. (or click on my youtube badge to the left of this post), and look for my Amazing Selling Machine videos)

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Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
UPDATE OCT 2014: The sale is on right now for PAC (Proven Amazon Course)...will be under $250 through the end of 2014 and then the price will likely more than double with all the new content we are adding.

We don't charge our students for any updates. There are NO up-sells or surprise add-ons to this course. We just keep making it better!
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nvsjr - congrats on your first post!

You're right some won't make it. Most that have provided their thoughts on this post and the other in this forum don't even sell a private labeled product on Amazon.

It's good to hear that you were able to take the plunge and I hope it works out for you. Not sure if you saw my review I created about ASM. I was part of the group in March.

I posted it in this thread before with a few other comments, but all the posts I created are gone on this thread. Very odd.

If you click on the YouTube badge under my name you'll see the review video about Amazing Selling Machine review and my 8 simple & complete step-by-step to getting started selling on Amazon.
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Thank you everyone for all your helpful insights.
On the positive ~
The course is very thorough from what I've seen of it
I quite liked the main guy and he did say it needs be a worthy product.
Some folk will succeed
(less than 20% by my estimates from available stats)
Those who do have the right mindset and abilities to keep on keeping on through the many hurdles combined with luck.
They also need to not be effected by the high cost that may not ever be returned.

Then there is Average Jo who most of us are and we needs be very honest with ourselves
on whether we have all the qualities needed and can afford to gamble with such a large amount.

As many diligent folk have not even recouped their outlay after 8 mths and they only have access to the tools for 12 mths
then no doubt would have to pay another astronomical cost to keep using them.

Why? when 4,000 members x $4,000 = $16,000,000
(not bad for a few mths work, much more than most even at the very top will make in that time )

Up to half goes out to affiliates (so they do not have an incentive to see this clearly)

I have been a member for a month and here is why I am going to leave,
I've recently done due diligence off site including here
this was delayed because I trusted the biz savvy person who recommended it without an affiliate link.

However it was firstly because of what I observed on the site,
as it is set up to only show the top 25 out of original 2,000 plus

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the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.


The Badge system is a very, very clever way to get around this as they can get past not showing the average via it
and everyone is encouraged to become a sort of cheerleader,
eventually a mentor basing their encouragement on look at all my/the badges.
There is no way to see the real stats on those badges.

Everything on the site was aimed at one seeing the top stats
and mutual confidence boosting
I asked for the average stats on the site and was not answered.

That badge system is very clever.
It also binds you into their site system
(and to Amazon, which if you have the view of many re the Bismuth company steam rolling over the little community based biz
and making money from abusive porn, is not so good to feel bound to, to recoup your outlay.
They are not an ethical company)


I found a way to get around my concerns about Amazon by designing more ethical greener versions to find white label for
OR have manufactured and I would have liked to have started a trend that way.
I can not source and test that in the too short trial time frame.

There are many March people still not made their money back
they only have a years lease on using the software so 4 mnths left
else they are on their own or paying again.

The concept may well work but from the stats I could find
There is a thread on member achievement
149 topics some by the same people
many of them for minor achievements
All adds up to only a few will recover their outlay let alone make money via this course.

The course itself is well done and thorough from what i saw, if you do not mind being bound into them and their cheerleading system via their moral boosting, boasting badges.

Although i quite liked the main guy, the emotional manipulation stood out to me.
Great for motivation,
not so good for discernment, assessing the stats needed to base sound biz decisions on.

Basically most do not have all they need to succeed in this as it takes a certain temperament and energy to persist until it works.

I'd share more on the stats I found, however I am needing to put myself to escaping this in time ( by the 16th was the date I was given though I see others say a month past date of buying it)
and hope this helps some who need to see it
Look to all you have in written form for your bank, if they needs open a dispute. If your affiliate has misled you on that
well my bank seemed to think that was important ie they probably become who it's claimed from.

I have explained the situation to my bank
after requesting a refund via the affiliate
I was eventually given a link to do it from.

I do wonder if this is going so well for themselves in the biz model they promote, why they needs ask so much for it
It's the same story as usual~ Blind Greed and that is one of our emotions they play with,
though the desperate in need of hope is the one that seems most prevalent and the folks who will get most hurt from this.

Keep vigilant, google search ... is a scam whenever the stakes are this high

If you need links including to refund leave a message here

I wish you all the success you need
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I looked up this thread as well as anything else I could find on ASM because someone looking at my book asked me about ASM.

A WSO offering the program appeared on WF a few days ago, so I also read the sales page for that.

One thing that sticks out in all the advertising for this system is that turnover figures are quoted, but no profit figures. High turnover benefits Amazon, and gives employment to their staff, but how much does it add to your bank balance? I suppose being able to quote those big numbers might boost your ego (and maybe your affiliate sales,) but you can’t bank ego.

Private labeling is no big deal. There seems to be a sudden discovery that private labeling is possible. In my importing business that I started in 1987, a big % of the products we sold were private labelled. After I franchised the business I had a large number of franchisees who expected an absolute minimum 250% margin. My system delivered and still does, even though I am no longer involved, having been forced to retire.

Locating genuine manufacturers is no big deal once you know where to look. You will have great trouble locating them if you go to the popular websites such as Alibaba, Aliexpress, madeinchina.com, tradekey, DHgate, EC21, globalsources, etc. There are a few sourcing sites where you will find genuine manufacturers.

I don’t publish those names online because there is a lot more to importing than just finding suppliers. When it is possible to register domain names very similar to ones that are well known, you need to know the ropes to distinguish between a trustworthy site and another one with the same name that I would not touch with a barge pole when the only difference is hyphens.
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is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
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JIM COCKRUM pretty please come back and put yours on offer again,
to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

Folk just look to the difference in how balanced JIM's attitude is
to how the smarmy $led vendors and promoters of ASM are.

They sure changed their tone when I said about leaving
"You'll never get your dreams any other way" was the fear psychology they laid on me.
This coming from the ex monk?' Jason's stable, after all the "even if you are only in it 4 weeks, you'll learn a lot from it", intro vid.
Funny how folk change their tone when they see their $2000 commission slipping away.

I've been inside ASM and even over qualified folk are working like slaves just to get their investment back.

Sure the few who succeed can do very well and would be inclined to sing its praises,
just as the so called mentors on site are trained to do, to keep you there till it's too late.

The mentors mirror back what the members say on posts as 'encouragement'

Then there is how hard the next part is just after the 30days is up

It's set up to lock you into the machine, which was my first alert.
It is very deceptive, constantly recycling only the very few who do succeed in front of folk. Every success - no failures.
Which is also what the so called mentor support does, ever so positively encouraging 'look to all the badges' which as they usually have many and respond to every post,
are very liberally sprinkled absolutely everywhere, giving a very false picture.

If it were not about parting you from $4000 with a course few are able to succeed in,
it would be an excellent model in success psychology.

Then there is the tool that is against Amazon's TOS that again cheats at presenting the figures by putting good reviews at the top whilst disappearing the bad out of sight.

It's always good to remember this basic 'if a vendor is offering you something to manipulate others, you can be pretty sure they are manipulating you'.
This is basic common sense, most of the trickery in IM depends on folk being $ blinded.

There are good lessons to be learnt from this OTT example that will help protect you in IM in general.
97% fail whilst supporting the luxury of the 3% who succeed
less than 1% succeed via ethical routes.

My (due diligence) research showed less than 10% succeed including those highly qualified and hard working.
A very few others are flukes, more luck than anything else although they may still have to work hard.

I have had exchanges with folk very well equipped to assess this and it is not good news.

Also they are aiming at newbies, folk who have no experience of the games of IM.

The stories from those ordinary good folk who failed and lost everything is heart rending:
life savings of very old pensioners, just wanting to be able to see their grandkids more. Borrowers of the $4,000 who do not even have a roof over their head, like the woman who adopted 8 kids with learning challenges and raised them to live happy independent lives and has nothing left.

It's for them, for the many other like them already ruined by this and those others innocently being drawn in now that I am speaking out.

I did not find out in time to help others escape last time and prevention is better than cure.

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to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

@Lotusdraggon - thanks for the supportive comments and research.

Two thoughts:
first - my competing ProvenAmazonCourse(.com) course is priced FAR lower than it should be (and still thousands less than ASM). Lately we've added incredible content (such as China sourcing, wholesale, international selling (HUGE!) and Private Label content - also a steady wave of other new useful resources, paid moderators and experts. I can't drop the price any further and pay my incredible staff what they deserve to be paid.

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While I have very strong opinions on some of the issues you've raised, I'm unlikely to enter a public debate over the merits of any given course - especially one that I'm in direct competition with. Because of my conflict of interest here I can't expect strangers (unfamiliar with my reputation) to take my word as truth. I'll let people do their own research and let the many other fans of our work defend what we've built.

That being said, we did survey ALL of the students of the "Proven Amazon Course" (the one that competes directly with ASM), and the results were simply incredible - we report the results on the bottom of the simple sales page for our course. I challenge ANY AND ALL creators of "how to courses" to follow suit and report their results to the world.

In virtually spontaneous fashion we sold out a large hotel conference room in Orlando with 350 people last Fall from all over the world (turning away many more) - nearly all of whom are using our ideas to succeed online. I'll let the RESULTS and my REPUTATION speak for itself here - I'll not allow myself to get dragged into public debate.

UPDATES IN LATE 2014: The course is now adding a 10 year proven veteran (perhaps the top expert in the world) on the topic of Private Label success to our ever growing list of experts that we work with. Our new "private label" content is rolling out very soon (at a crazy low price) and will also be included in the PAC course as well very soon. We already have a fair amount of private label content in the PAC course.

We've found that selling private label products is NOT an easy game, but with the proper instruction and approach it is one of several viable models for profiting on Amazon. We teach numerous success strategies in our community - all of which can be done with a good outsource team (you don't have to put tape on boxes to do this business!)

We are committed to making the PAC course the best in the world at the most reasonable price. I say it's the most up to date, most transparent (we report our student results in a survey right on our sales page), most supported (over 30 paid staff supporting it), most helpful community (7,000+ in our Facebook group), and most comprehensive course in this niche (multiple strategies for success with physical products)...all at an incredibly low price.

Also - our "live event" last month sold out in hours as 500 of our most loyal students came from all over the world to learn and grow together. There's no community like this in the world! We've been doing and teaching this biz model for 12 years.
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Guys just to throw my own first hand knowledge about ASM in to the mix here. I am using ASM and it's been the best decision hands down I have made.

It's so easy to get in to and grow a real business using this system. I have personally helped people build their ASM businesses and it's just fun to see them grow so fast.

The support and tools you get with ASM is unmatched by any other copy cat program. You just won't find a similar product and support out there.
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Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
Cosmetics from China? I imported from China for 22 years until I retired, and had great results but I would not consider them for cosmetics, vitamins, or food supplements..

Have you thought of other countries besides Thailand and the Philippines? There are good low cost cosmetics available in many places now. Even next door in Taiwan would be a better proposition.

Regarding bad experiences in China; there are many suppliers wrongly claiming to be manufacturers, and if they start off not telling the truth, you could expect them to continue that way.

That is one of the many reasons why I teach going direct to genuine manufacturers.
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I got some free access (seems like they will be pitching something in soon). Don't know why different products.
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ASM suggests you can find manufacturers in the U.S. and sell their stuff on Amazon; "it's just a matter of researching the profitable products like shower mirrors." They say manufacturers are not into the business of retail because that's not their business model. I tend to disagree. Manufacturers will sell wholesale to retailers, but they will also sell their own stuff on Amazon as well and usually under sell their retailers.

Their (ASM) claims simply go against universal business and free market principles. There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices; and deal with the many competitors on Amazon. Just do a test search of any commodity on Amazon, like cell phone cases or even shower mirrors and note the long list of sellers jockeying for your attention. What Amazon is brilliant at doing is forcing down prices. It makes the retail market extremely efficient; prices can change by the hour. There are inventors who put up a product of their own, and the next week a knock off is selling it at half the price, and it's too hard to track them down because they are in Asia and are hard to pin down; not to mention the legal costs, time, energy and stress.

The Golden Rule -- trust your instincts! look through the hype and do your due diligence.
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So I figured I would chime in here and post on this rather "active" thread...

I have not purchased ASM, nor am I inclined to. I'm gathering from this thread that the program involves sourcing stock products from overseas, private labelling it with your own brand, shipping it to Amazon, and then selling exclusively on Amazon.com

This is a wonderful idea, depending of course on a few things.

1) What is the product you are selling? Is it manufactured in the USA, or overseas? What's the demand like for this product and are a lot of people selling it?

2) Amazon takes quite the hefty commission on all products sold on their site. So does your product allow a high enough margin in order for this to be worth your time?

3) Did you know that in order to sell on Amazon.com, you first have to show them that you already have some sort of existing website that you "sell" your products on? I hope they go over that in the course.

4) Did you also know that if you don't own the brand of whatever product you are selling (ie, reselling someone else's product which is what most people do), then Amazon can easily (and will) go to your supplier, order the same product in bulk at a deep discount, and then undercut you on their site? Thereby effectively rendering your business, well, useless!

I've been quietly working away on my own website that features a very hot and in demand product. This website is completely automated. It is set to take a customers order, verify that the address is good,charges the payment, sends it to a fulfillment house (automatically) that picks, packs, and ships the product to the customer. I am also selling this same product on Amazon.com ( that's two independent distribution channels). Half of the inventory is in one fulfillment centre, the other half is over at Amazon.

I am contemplating selling this as a turn-key business to anyone who's very serious about owning, running and profiting from their own automated manufacturing business.

This is a SINGLE opportunity, I'm not selling the same thing to 100 different people...

No I will not disclose the product/niche here. If you are interested then PM me and Ill give you the details.
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So I figured I would chime in here and post on this rather "active" thread...

I have not purchased ASM, nor am I inclined to. I'm gathering from this thread that the program involves sourcing stock products from overseas, private labelling it with your own brand, shipping it to Amazon, and then selling exclusively on Amazon.com

This is a wonderful idea, depending of course on a few things.

1) What is the product you are selling? Is it manufactured in the USA, or overseas? What's the demand like for this product and are a lot of people selling it?

2) Amazon takes quite the hefty commission on all products sold on their site. So does your product allow a high enough margin in order for this to be worth your time?

3) Did you know that in order to sell on Amazon.com, you first have to show them that you already have some sort of existing website that you "sell" your products on? I hope they go over that in the course.

4) Did you also know that if you don't own the brand of whatever product you are selling (ie, reselling someone else's product which is what most people do), then Amazon can easily (and will) go to your supplier, order the same product in bulk at a deep discount, and then undercut you on their site? Thereby effectively rendering your business, well, useless!

I've been quietly working away on my own website that features a very hot and in demand product. This website is completely automated. It is set to take a customers order, verify that the address is good,charges the payment, sends it to a fulfillment house (automatically) that picks, packs, and ships the product to the customer. I am also selling this same product on Amazon.com ( that's two independent distribution channels). Half of the inventory is in one fulfillment centre, the other half is over at Amazon.

I am contemplating selling this as a turn-key business to anyone who's very serious about owning, running and profiting from their own automated manufacturing business.

This is a SINGLE opportunity, I'm not selling the same thing to 100 different people...

No I will not disclose the product/niche here. If you are interested then PM me and Ill give you the details.

There have a "machine" that shows top products you can whitelabel etc.

The whole cause of profit is the fact that you rank your stuff to no. 1 which i have been doing for multiple amazon products. It's an easy way to make money but when 5,000 people jump on one product, you got a big problemo.

Honestly, if someone here wants to do this but doesn't want to do the SEO, I can get your amazon product to first page without the entire hassle with press releases, high pr sites, and quality backlinks.
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JIM COCKRUM pretty please come back and put yours on offer again,
to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

Folk just look to the difference in how balanced JIM's attitude is
to how the smarmy vendors and promoters of ASM are.

They sure changed their tone when I said about leaving
"You'll never get your dreams any other way" was the fear psychology they laid on me.
This coming from the ex monk?' Jason's stable, after all the "even if you are only in it 4 weeks, you'll learn a lot from it", intro vid.
Funny how folk change their tone when they see their $2000 commission slipping away.

I've been inside ASM and even over qualified folk are working like slaves just to get their investment back.

Sure the few who succeed can do very well and would be inclined to sing its praises,
just as the so called mentors on site are trained to do, to keep you there till it's too late.

The mentors mirror back what the members say on posts as 'encouragement'

Then there is how hard the next part is just after the 30days is up

It's set up to lock you into the machine, which was my first alert.

If it were not about parting you from $4000 with a course few are able to succeed in,
it would be an excellent model in success psychology.

Then there is the tool that is against Amazon's TOS that again cheats at presenting the figures by putting good reviews at the top whilst disappearing the bad out of sight.

I did not find out in time to help others escape last time and prevention is better than cure.

I was going to post this, after getting the video on it!


$4000!!!!


Even if l was loaded l wouldn't spent that!


I would pay a small team of Graphic designers from the Philippines to churn out flyers, etc, for Graphicriver.


I have already seen positive results with it, with 10 or 20k, a month not being out of reach!


Seems to be a hell of a lot less risky than this!


Most things online have a high failure rate, but for this sort of money you would expect a by numbers course showing how to make serious money from this.


Or a near 100% success rate! :rolleyes:


With what l am doing, you just need to be persistent, have access to Photoshop and prefibly have a talent, although you could pay someone who has, or just stay with Resume's, etc.


I wish everyone doing this, success, but l am always amazed that people would spend this amount!



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Is anyone in ASM and is willing to share access to their account? I'm looking to pay someone.
@srjjames - Invest in yourself brother. If you are looking for an alternative without all the software. Click on the YouTube icon under my name and watch my Amazon presentation.

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@Claire Koch - If you were to do that, you could be running away from a great opportunity. Everyone has their opinions and some are more one sided.

In the video I created with my honest opinion on YouTube. I felt I provided a very good preservative of the good and bad.

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Hi Claire,

Like you I looked at this 3 years ago, and for some reason I see that its not all it says it is...I personally think they just wait each year for the NEWBIEs to appear and off they go again and that is what they are doing right now....

So much of what they say does not ring true, I do however from what I have seen see they have some good software that makes the job a little bit easier.

I personally think Jim Cockrums FBA programme is much better and a better price by a mile.

Hope this helps

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@roadrunner2009 - ASM and Jim's course are different in the aspect they are teaching two different methods to create success on Amazon. There are a few other threads that discuss it on Warrior Forum

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Jim cockrum's amazon course is much cheaper or you can learn to drop ship from amazon using ds domination for as little as 20 dollars per month.
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I am so happy that I have read all the comments about ASM on thos warrior forum, Right now as of April-2014 marketers are bombarding the ASM promotion andtheir free software-http://profitspotlight.com.

I have made up my mid as to waht I will do!

Warrior Forum is so informative.

Hope the ASM guys are reading it as well.

Special Thank to everyone who have commented and helped me to make my decision.
@linusk - Before you do, I would like the opportunity to provide you my thoughts and what I have to offer.

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WOW...this has really been fun reading the comments here....some one should make a reality show about the responses that happened here....different people sitting at there computer pecking away at what they believe and what they don't believe...I am imagining the intensity on their faces the pounding of the keys... there is a big smile on my face and chuckles coming from me...ha ha ha ha...too bad no one can hear me...it really is funny...

some one will always have something to say...good or bad...the answer to any problem will always lie in YOU!!!....all decisions concerning you will be made by YOU!!...you either believe in Amazon Selling Machine or you don't...You either believe in Proven...whatever it's called or you don't...If you take a strangers word for it being good or bad...your choice once again...I personally only go for the person who has "been there, done that"...and even then I proceed with caution...

I guess the only person I would really trust is my mother...she's 77 yrs old and has no interest in any IM product...so that just leaves me and my own common and hopefully good sense...which isn't always correct...I get it more wrong than right...if anyone is looking for the perfect business model good luck...if anyone is looking for something that is risk free....good luck...with ANYTHING in life, business, relationships, ...etc...I don't care what it is when it comes to taking a chance.....YOU THROW THE DICE AND YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES!!!
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ASM suggests you can find manufacturers in the U.S. and sell their stuff on Amazon; "it's just a matter of researching the profitable products like shower mirrors." They say manufacturers are not into the business of retail because that's not their business model. I tend to disagree. Manufacturers will sell wholesale to retailers, but they will also sell their own stuff on Amazon as well and usually under sell their retailers.

Their (ASM) claims simply go against universal business and free market principles. There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices; and deal with the many competitors on Amazon. Just do a test search of any commodity on Amazon, like cell phone cases or even shower mirrors and note the long list of sellers jockeying for your attention. What Amazon is brilliant at doing is forcing down prices. It makes the retail market extremely efficient; prices can change by the hour. There are inventors who put up a product of their own, and the next week a knock off is selling it at half the price, and it's too hard to track them down because they are in Asia and are hard to pin down; not to mention the legal costs, time, energy and stress.

The Golden Rule -- trust your instincts! look through the hype and do your due diligence.
@Netrover - Finding manufactures is a lot harder to find and sometimes non existent in the USA. There are some you can find easily like skin care products, but our world is global now and a lot of manufacturing is in China. The Chinese are not bad people.

Not sure how much experience you have, but my work with manufactures only look to run off hundreds if not thousands of a product. They look to sell to disturbers, then so on.

Manufactures are not usually set up for that business model since it is totally different and they are only looking to sell large bulk.

The point with ASM is to create your brand. Instead of going into again what that means and the advantages of it. I discuss it in this thread on the forum.

Proven Amazon Course Vs. Amazing Selling Machine?

I also created a presentation on YouTube talking about it and the process.

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Super glad Google brought me to this thread!!!
Thanks very much for the JIM COCKRUM suggestion.
Being on a tight budget I learned a long time ago if their afraid to show you the price of anything, it's going to be steep (not saying price of ASM is not worth it).
I am saying JIM COCKRUM 's course is easily within my budget.

Thanks for this great discussion board.
@ihatetyping - Jim's course and ASM are two totally different business models. They are not the same.
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@Josh Belanger,

I am not entering into the endless discussion on which system is best, but I do challenge your comments about buying from manufacturers overseas.

You wrote: "Not sure how much experience you have, but my work with manufactures only look to run off hundreds if not thousands of a product. They look to sell to disturbers, then so on.

Manufactures are not usually set up for that business model since it is totally different and they are only looking to sell large bulk."


My experience in buying direct from China and other countries covers 22 years. Yes they might prefer to sell large bulk, but I have taught hundreds of people how to buy small quantities direct from manufacturers regardless of the large MOQs they quote.

If in your experience you have had no luck persuading manufacturers to sell you a small quantity that could be for a few reasons:
  • They know you are a newbie
  • They know you are a sole trader
  • You took the wrong approach to start with
  • You were looking in the wrong place to find genuine manufacturers
Regarding the last point, netrover almost hit the nail on the head when he wrote: "There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices;" but he was only partly right because he also has obviously been looking in the wrong place.


What is the wrong place? It is the place most people use - either Alibaba or one of the other popular sourcing sites. The big names get all the mention on WF because they are the big advertisers and everyone knows about them.


What is wrong with the wrong place? Those popular sites have very poor verification processes and in almost all cases verified means the business exists. Gold, Premium, 4 Star, or whatever high status category they advertise is bought, not earned. The great bulk of suppliers listed as manufacturers are wholesalers not manufacturers. That's what netrover was referring to.


I teach how to safely source, and I don't recommend any of those sites.
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@importexport - I feel like you are jumping in just to chime in, but in a good way because backs what I was saying to Netrover.

Manufacturers are not marketers and sell to brands.

I'm the first to say, I have very little experience with doing orders overseas. I have a few people in my network that do though.

I focus in on the US because my marketing is based on a premium brand and supporting American jobs. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with overseas made products, because that is not the case.

However, for me I want to test right now and can use that in my marketing.

From what you have talked about in other posts and your forum name, I believe you and you are a great asset to the group. I don't think anyone is doubting that.

If you'd like to know more about doing something on Amazon, send me a PM and we can talk on the phone. I love meeting and learning from others.

All the best.
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SamOne, i'm sorry I can't let your comments go. It's important that people reading in here have access to accurate information. I'm a member of ASM2, having completely rejected ASM1 because of the hype and hoopla around it. I know what's true and what's untrue in the world of private label selling on amazon:

Let me take your points one by one:

• Your point (1) above: Yes, these are basic questions anyone should ask. I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

• Your point (2) Amazon does not take a hefty commission. Quite the contrary. In most categories it takes just 15% of the selling price. Amazon is the most trusted ecommerce site in the world and they are, literally, bringing you paying customers every day.

If someone asked that you give them 15 cents for every $1 they brought to you, or facilitated towards you because people trust them, what would you do? It's a complete bargain!

On the other issue you raise, I make 50% pure profit on my ASM product. Many make somewhere between 40-50% pure profit (after all costs are included).

• Your point (3) is simply not true. I don't know where you've gotten that information from. It's just plain wrong. Many ASMers sell on amazon without a website. I myself did for quite some time.

• Your point (4) - Amazon are not in the least bit interested in going to the suppliers of private label products. It's not their business model, it's also immoral. Yes, amazon do sell their own products but they are very few, very high volume and it's so rare as to be no concern at all (they will also sometimes do bargain basement stuff too). It's a complete non-issue for ASMers.

Slightly more likely (but still highly unlikely) is that they see a private label seller being hugely successfull, over a long period of time, amazon might ask that private label seller supply them for amazon to sell themselves. This is absolutely fantastic business for those very few ASMers it has happened too, and is the equivalent of winning the lottery.

Please be careful about the information you are providing for readers, they may be making significant financial investments based upon what you say, we have a duty to each other in here to be honest and truthful.

Anyone seeking straightforward answers to their ASM questions can contact me through the link in the visitor messages tab in my profile.
@ZanyZebra.. Yes Amazon takes 15% as a "referral fee", but they also charge a premium to fulfill compared to other independent fulfillment houses in the USA.. granted, their fulfillment network is much larger and can often times get products to customers quicker... 15% is still something to shake a stick at.

As for the website: I've spoken with Amazon Seller Customer Support on many occasions and yes, they tell me every time that I need a website in place before they allow me to sell on their site HOWEVER.. This might be because I'm selling my own branded product, therefore I have to utilize their brand registry program..

And your last point.. I'm just going to disregard it. If you do your research and google around, you'll see plenty of stories where Amazon has gone above the seller, ordered from the supplier, and then undercut them.. It's smart business, since they have a seller on their site taking on all the risk and testing the market for them... If you have your own branded product though ( private label or not, YOUR brand), then they can't take it from you. period.

I'm getting a hunch that you work for ASM or something.. you post in all of their threads and defend their program profusely... I'm not trying to give people false info here, I'm letting them know the truth and they can decide.. Not knocking the ASM course; haven't taken it myself so I don't know.. I did see that they have a video on " how to setup your LLC in Delaware"... I hope they aren't giving legal advice to their customers; yikes!
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Hey jordanmalik,did you make your YouTube video private?
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Guys, im not going to get too much into detail just yet, but it is a well known secret that many of the "top dawgs" just skip the "hardest" part of the whole process and sell supplements

This means that the manufacturing part is EASY as you send them or pick a formula and it is done in the USA.

That moves eliminates your MAJOR friction point of supplier (that kills most people) and lets you focus on marketing.

Supplements are easier to sell and you can sometimes get them on an auto rebill within the amazon system as well and personally the 8 people I know that are doing ASM and making between 10k-500k a month, 7 of them are doing supplements.

Not to say that Non-supplements don't work. I don't know, i just know that the guys who I know that are "winning" are all doing supplements.
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Hi, I did because it's several months old. I have new videos, though. If you click on the youtube icon link next to my name (to the left of this post) you'll see my new series. I have 3 videos out now about alternatives, a 4th one coming out in a couple days.

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Hi again Greg, I'm actually in ASM and being very successful. I see directly what is happening as it relates to ASM and amazon.

I just wanted to clarify on something you stated, in case anyone reading is confused or misinterprets what you said. The fact is the majority of ASMers are NOT in supplements. There are ASMers who are and that are very successful at it (and the supplements field is actually very big in range of products in any case).

In fact the range of physical product categories that ASMers are in stretch right across the spectrum. Just clarifying in case anybody things they have to be in supplements to succeed at ASM.

If anyone has any questions about this, or anything ASM related, i'll give you straight answers. To do this you can contact me through the link in my personal profile under the visitors messages tab, i think.
I agree with you, people succeed in all different niches with ASM, it is just that supplements (in my experience) has the lowest friction point for entry. In your opinion, what are some of the pros and cons of selling supplements compared to general niche products?
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I bought the ASM course and is a great course but the problem is in how successful it has been. As there are so many people now doing what Matt and Jason teach it is getting harder to rank on Amazon as we are all competing against each other. It also takes a LOT longer then they say in their sales videos so don't expect to only work on it a couple of hours a day and be successful in a short period of time.

With 2 launches of the course each year Matt and Jason are now getting greedy and are about to "kill their baby".
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