Amazing Selling Machine – Anyone Else Had Problems Getting a Refund?

by Copydog 270 replies
Paid the first installment ($997) of four to
Amazing Selling Machine on March 17.

But when I started doing the course, discovered
there was further expense and more complexity
involved than was mentioned in the initial videos.

So last Friday (March 22) I asked for a refund in
their support section (there's a 30-day guaranteed
refund period).

I also (politely) asked Jason Katzenback for a refund
in a private message (no response from him).

Today (Monday) I checked my emails and get this
from their support section (even though I'd previously
asked them NOT to try to persuade me to change my
mind):

"Hello Eldo,

Is there anything we can help you with? Do you need
assistance with the training or are there any major issues
we can work out for you before you cancel?"

Then tried to login to my account at ASM and it says
"account deactivated"!

But I've received no email from ASM confirming
my refund.

Today phoned my credit card company and they say
I've received no refund from ASM.

I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTACT JASON OR MATT
ABOUT MY REFUND...

With each day that goes by my credit card is racking up
more interest (I asked for the refund last Friday, but still
no response).

Has anyone else on the Warrior Forum had this problem?

I'll keep you all updated about this.

This is VERY worrying.

If Jason or Matt read this, could you let me know why you
haven't yet issued my refund?
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  • Profile picture of the author Copydog
    A few minutes ago I somehow managed to get into the
    ASM support section (even though they've deactivated
    my account) and have just submitted a new ticket
    "Why still no refund?"

    Will keep you posted about their response.
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    • Profile picture of the author neilshearing
      Hi Eldo,

      Try phoning the credit card company saying that you requested a refund of the charge but it hasn't been processed yet and you're concerned about the interest that's accruing.

      If you're a long-time customer in good standing I would hope the credit card company would waive the interest.

      Neil.
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      • Profile picture of the author Copydog
        Hi Neil,

        The credit card company said I have to write
        to them and explain the whole situation.

        Then they will look into this (in the meantime
        my credit card is racking up extra daily interest
        and my wife and I are losing money we simply
        can't afford to lose).

        I was hoping the people running AMS would
        have issued my refund by now, so I wouldn't
        have to take up even more precious work time
        writing such a letter.

        Still no further response (nothing from them
        in my email inbox) – now 2.04 p.m. GMT,
        10.04 a.m. EST).

        They should have issued the refund last Friday,
        as soon as I requested it.

        Thanks for your concern.

        Much appreciated.

        Will keep you all posted.

        Anyone else who paid the first $997 installment
        (or the full amount [over $3,000]) and who is
        thinking of bailing out should be aware of how
        these people deal with refunds...
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        • Profile picture of the author Copydog
          Also interesting that the "live support" button
          on their support page says that live support is
          "offline" (now 10.14 a.m. EST, 2.14 GMT).

          So it's not possible to "chat" real time with
          anyone at AMS support.

          I wonder if they're being flooded with refund
          requests and so don't want to make anyone at
          their support center available for live "chat".
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          • Profile picture of the author Copydog
            Good news!

            Have just received this email from AMS support:

            From: ASM Support <support@amazingsellingmachine.com>
            Subject: [#QCO-495-32589]: Why is "Live Support" offline? Why have you closed my previous tickets?
            Date: 25 March 2013 14:59:01 GMT

            Hello Eldo,

            We have closed the previous tickets because we have processed your refund request. Here is your invoice for the refund:
            Merchant Amazing Selling Machine
            2100 West Loop South, STE 900
            Houston, TX 77027
            US 7055757631

            Order Information
            Description:
            Order Number: P.O. Number:
            Customer ID: 25093 Invoice Number:


            --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

            Billing Information Shipping Information
            <snip>



            --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


            Shipping: 0.00
            Tax: 0.00
            Total: USD (997.00)


            Visa XXXXXXX6
            Date/Time: 23-Mar-2013 08:29:24 PDT
            Transaction ID: 5106884055
            Transaction Status: Refund
            Authorization Code:
            Payment Method: Visa XXXXXXX6

            Also regarding our live support, I will mention this to our customer support manager and let him know.

            in.

            Best Regards,

            Pamela W
            ASM Support
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    • Profile picture of the author Copydog
      Sagbee, sorry for not replying sooner (have been too busy to get back to the WF).

      • You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

      • If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

      • You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

      • You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

      And there are probably other costs involved as well (this opportunity is not for someone on a tight budget).

      Plus there's the monthly payment of $997 (so it would take 4 months to go through the whole course and get up and running solidly).

      Although this will probably work for some (I hope it does), it's not for me.

      Glad I got a refund and moved on...
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      • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
        There has been quite a bit of 'noise' surfacing from disgruntled folks who bought Amazing Selling Machine whom are saying it's delivering nowhere near the hype.

        I gave my readers/blog followers a heads-up (my gut feeling about ASM) in this video around the time of the launch (updated in April 2014):

        Amazing Selling Machine Low Cost Alternative- YouTube


        -Jordan Malik
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            You can private message me or just google (without the quotes) 'Jordan Malik Amazing Selling Machine' to watch my reviews. (or click on my youtube badge to the left of this post), and look for my Amazing Selling Machine videos)

            Originally Posted by smokeonthewater View Post

            Can't see the video !! It says it is private even though I am a registered and logged in member of this forum. Any tips ?
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                I think it's either the program is for you or it's not. There's no sense in sneaking around the support staff to get them to satisfy your curiosity. Perhaps they don't really know and are working remotely from the operations of the business.

                Originally Posted by prospectsmine View Post

                Since they (ASM) have so many success stories splashed all over their site's pages, I decided to ask their Support Staff: what percentage of their students succeed after taking their program. Should be an easy answer considering this is not their first run. Three times I got the same answer, that it was up to how much effort the individual put in to it. I tried explaining the question to them and also told told them that an approximate figure would do. Either they really don't know, (which I don't believe) or they wanted to hide the answer from me. Now of course no one can guarantee that you will find success at the end of every rainbow, with such a large cash outlay on the line, you should know what the Odds are. So if Zany Zebra or anyone else can get an answer to that question it would be appreciated. :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
            Originally Posted by prospectsmine View Post

            Next item. 30 day guarantee. Why not make it 24 hrs.? You can't even finish the course in less than 2 mths. Absolutely useless promise.
            I believe 30 days money-back guarantee and segmented training are there because they don't want tire kickers who intend to get in, download materials (let alone leak those online) and get out after getting their refund. The upside of this for students is that material will be easy to digest, the downside is that 30 days of training is not enough to make decision whether this business is for you or not.

            But what boggles my mind is their added "inventory insurance" within 30 days of money-back guarantee. How do they expect people to order their inventory within 30 days, half-way of course?
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            • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
              Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

              I believe 30 days money-back guarantee and segmented training are there because they don't want tire kickers who intend to get in, download materials (let alone leak those online) and get out after getting their refund. The upside of this for students is that material will be easy to digest, the downside is that 30 days of training is not enough to make decision whether this business is for you or not.

              But what boggles my mind is their added "inventory insurance" within 30 days of money-back guarantee. How do they expect people to order their inventory within 30 days, half-way of course?
              @felixcohen - that is the whole point. They know it takes people longer than 30 days to find their first manufacture.

              They don't even get into the details to in the first 30 days.
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Although I'm absolutely no fan of Amazing Selling Machine cause I see it as over hyped and over priced I do find this thread a bit strange.

                OP starts a thread, complains about his refund, and the very same day he posts that he has received his refund (yes all his 4 posts were made on the very same day), talking about being impatient.

                Then he starts to rant about other costs.

                What did you expect?

                The coure is about selling through Amazon's FBA program, you think you would get the stock for free?

                I once imported a bike sample from China, the freight costs were more then the bike, but I did sell the bike and broke-even. Why? Cause you pay close to nothing for the sample or perhaps with cheaper products nothing at all.

                Of course you pay per container, or space in the container, again what were you thinking before you got into this?

                Totally stunned!

                If you don't have money then don't import.

                And let me tell all of you one thing, why on earth would you need a $4000,- course to import containers and sell it through Amazon's warehouses???

                Use the $4000,- to book a holiday to China and visit some manufacturers and trade shows instead. Much better spend!

                And don't even think about starting in this business when you don't have at least $25k in your bank account that you can easily miss.

                The whole dropshipping suggestions are ridiculous btw, it's a price war at Amazon, ever thought about that? And dropshippers are also known to charge much higher prices then normal wholesalers. Dropshipping is only a good alternative when you doubt whether you want to make affiliate commissions or start a shop for yourself, then it's a nice way to fill in the gap.

                Ps: Some warnings, you guys have no idea what you're getting into when you start importing containers from China. China is well known to rip you off with a different type of quality then the initial sample. You MUST visit China and be there when the first container gets shipped or there's a huge change you get ripped off. Good lucking selling total crap quality on Amazon, before you know it you have an average of 1 star rating and you won't sell your stock at all. I've seen plenty of friends going wrong with a container, 5 years later only half of the stock is sold, purely bought based on that it looked so nice on photo's, what you think that costs in terms of storage?

                Ps2: In many cases when you do it all online you won't even deal with the factory but with some reseller who throws up a margin, if unlucky multiple resellers. You must be there to close good deals!
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                • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Although I'm absolutely no fan of Amazing Selling Machine cause I see it as over hyped and over priced I do find this thread a bit strange.

                  OP starts a thread, complains about his refund, and the very same day he posts that he has received his refund (yes all his 4 posts were made on the very same day), talking about being impatient.

                  Then he starts to rant about other costs.

                  What did you expect?

                  The coure is about selling through Amazon's FBA program, you think you would get the stock for free?

                  I once imported a bike sample from China, the freight costs were more then the bike, but I did sell the bike and broke-even. Why? Cause you pay close to nothing for the sample or perhaps with cheaper products nothing at all.

                  Of course you pay per container, or space in the container, again what were you thinking before you got into this?

                  Totally stunned!

                  If you don't have money then don't import.

                  And let me tell all of you one thing, why on earth would you need a $4000,- course to import containers and sell it through Amazon's warehouses???

                  Use the $4000,- to book a holiday to China and visit some manufacturers and trade shows instead. Much better spend!

                  And don't even think about starting in this business when you don't have at least $25k in your bank account that you can easily miss.

                  The whole dropshipping suggestions are ridiculous btw, it's a price war at Amazon, ever thought about that? And dropshippers are also known to charge much higher prices then normal wholesalers. Dropshipping is only a good alternative when you doubt whether you want to make affiliate commissions or start a shop for yourself, then it's a nice way to fill in the gap.

                  Ps: Some warnings, you guys have no idea what you're getting into when you start importing containers from China. China is well known to rip you off with a different type of quality then the initial sample. You MUST visit China and be there when the first container gets shipped or there's a huge change you get ripped off. Good lucking selling total crap quality on Amazon, before you know it you have an average of 1 star rating and you won't sell your stock at all. I've seen plenty of friends going wrong with a container, 5 years later only half of the stock is sold, purely bought based on that it looked so nice on photo's, what you think that costs in terms of storage?

                  Ps2: In many cases when you do it all online you won't even deal with the factory but with some reseller who throws up a margin, if unlucky multiple resellers. You must be there to close good deals!
                  I agree 100% with this. To me, buying a course to sell on amazon is the equivalent an ebook to learn how to use the iphone that paraphrases the instruction manual. Sure, maybe it's worth something, but not that much.

                  Out of all the things I've done online, selling on Amazon has probably been one of the easier (as far as mechanics) to do. The hard part is picking/finding the product. But you know what? That's gonna be hard with or without ASM. Now maybe you didn't really recognize the idea of private labeling a product, but now your eyes are open to it.

                  If you're strapped for cash, honestly, I have no idea why you'd be spending money on courses. To me, the secret is finding the product that sells enough to make decent money, but that flies under the radar to some extent. Look at your own purchase history over the last several years and see if there are any products that would fit the bill. That's what I did and I now sell 4 of those products through Amazon.

                  1) Get product ideas
                  2) Research suppliers for pricing
                  3) Use FBA calculators to determine net sales price
                  4) Estimate number of units to sell.

                  If you can't afford a big purchase, do a small one. If you don't get the product right, then nothing else matters. NOTHING.
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                • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Although I'm absolutely no fan of Amazing Selling Machine cause I see it as over hyped and over priced I do find this thread a bit strange.

                  OP starts a thread, complains about his refund, and the very same day he posts that he has received his refund (yes all his 4 posts were made on the very same day), talking about being impatient.

                  Then he starts to rant about other costs.

                  What did you expect?

                  The coure is about selling through Amazon's FBA program, you think you would get the stock for free?

                  I once imported a bike sample from China, the freight costs were more then the bike, but I did sell the bike and broke-even. Why? Cause you pay close to nothing for the sample or perhaps with cheaper products nothing at all.

                  Of course you pay per container, or space in the container, again what were you thinking before you got into this?

                  Totally stunned!

                  If you don't have money then don't import.

                  And let me tell all of you one thing, why on earth would you need a $4000,- course to import containers and sell it through Amazon's warehouses???

                  Use the $4000,- to book a holiday to China and visit some manufacturers and trade shows instead. Much better spend!

                  And don't even think about starting in this business when you don't have at least $25k in your bank account that you can easily miss.

                  The whole dropshipping suggestions are ridiculous btw, it's a price war at Amazon, ever thought about that? And dropshippers are also known to charge much higher prices then normal wholesalers. Dropshipping is only a good alternative when you doubt whether you want to make affiliate commissions or start a shop for yourself, then it's a nice way to fill in the gap.

                  Ps: Some warnings, you guys have no idea what you're getting into when you start importing containers from China. China is well known to rip you off with a different type of quality then the initial sample. You MUST visit China and be there when the first container gets shipped or there's a huge change you get ripped off. Good lucking selling total crap quality on Amazon, before you know it you have an average of 1 star rating and you won't sell your stock at all. I've seen plenty of friends going wrong with a container, 5 years later only half of the stock is sold, purely bought based on that it looked so nice on photo's, what you think that costs in terms of storage?

                  Ps2: In many cases when you do it all online you won't even deal with the factory but with some reseller who throws up a margin, if unlucky multiple resellers. You must be there to close good deals!

                  @nik0 - Great points. I just reached out to my friend that imports a lot from overseas in the fitness areana.

                  I asked him some questions for my group about importing. Few things he shared that go with what you mentioned above.

                  1) Don' risk more money than they can afford to loose on imports. When here first started he lost 20k on an order

                  2) Find products you can air mail starting out

                  3) Samples should be sent pretty quickly, if not they likely don't make it.

                  4) He suggests 90% of the listings on Alibaba are from manufactures that are either complete fraud or they can figure out how to make the item but just post the products and try to figure out how to make it after they get the order

                  5) Most manufactures if they legit will already have shipping companies they work with. Before it is loaded on the ship you would need a customs broker here

                  6) Find super light and if possible very small products. Air mail such as Fedex can be very cheap from china compared to shipping cost here. If manufacture is already producing the items you could have the product in 1 week compared to months by sea

                  7) When it works it works great and you can make lots of money but its a gamble and you can also loose big time or have super long delays which cost customers.

                  I hope that helps everyone.
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                  • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
                    Thanks, that helped!

                    Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

                    2) Find products you can air mail starting out
                    You mean air shipping of packages or air mail in parcels?

                    Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

                    4) He suggests 90% of the listings on Alibaba are from manufactures that are either complete fraud or they can figure out how to make the item but just post the products and try to figure out how to make it after they get the order
                    lol that definitely sounds opposite to what ASM preached on "Clarity" webinar and how they told it's something not to worry about until we get to the point of sourcing from Alibaba. This certainly does not sound like child's play they preached. In fact for all important questions they used "not important at this point" excuse to not answer them.

                    Poor are the people who bought into their manipulating tactics, OP being example. Not everyone will be ready to face the reality but those who will, would probably go extra mile to research and form connections, taking it as serious business which it obviously is.

                    If it sounds to be too easy it probably is not...

                    Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

                    7) When it works it works great and you can make lots of money but its a gamble and you can also loose big time or have super long delays which cost customers.
                    Let me understand this one. In terms of gamble, did you refer to Alibaba and sites alike or whole importing business?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
                      Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

                      Thanks, that helped!



                      You mean air shipping of packages or air mail in parcels?



                      lol that definitely sounds opposite to what ASM preached on "Clarity" webinar and how they told it's something not to worry about until we get to the point of sourcing from Alibaba. This certainly does not sound like child's play they preached. In fact for all important questions they used "not important at this point" excuse to not answer them.

                      Poor are the people who bought into their manipulating tactics, OP being example. Not everyone will be ready to face the reality but those who will, would probably go extra mile to research and form connections, taking it as serious business which it obviously is.

                      If it sounds to be too easy it probably is not...



                      Let me understand this one. In terms of gamble, did you refer to Alibaba and sites alike or whole importing business?
                      @Felixcohen - I'm just letting the group know what he told me. Take it for what it is.

                      Not sure what he meant by that. He imports all the time though. I guess the gamble is starting out and finding a good supplier.

                      As for air mail - find products that can be sent air mail.
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        • Profile picture of the author KnightAl
          Originally Posted by jordanmalik View Post

          There has been quite a bit of 'noise' surfacing from disgruntled folks who bought Amazing Selling Machine and are seeing it's delivering nowhere near the hype.

          I gave my readers/blog followers a heads-up (my gut feeling about ASM) in this video around the time of the launch:

          Don't Do This (From Jordan) - YouTube

          This situation (ASM and the delayed refunds, hidden cost 'surprises' and other things) gives the legitimate experts (on selling on Amazon) a really bad name.

          -Jordan Malik
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      • Profile picture of the author Penn86
        I agree their prelaunch PDF's were good and got me interested in possibly selling physical products on Azon until the sticker shock. Thanks to Jordan Malik for pointing out in his review that rebranding products is risky business due to liability issues. Would any warriors who purchased their system please comment on the results they're having? Thanks and GLTA.
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        • Profile picture of the author milla04
          Originally Posted by DY888 View Post

          Went in on ASM with 2 friends (which created it's own logistical issues consuming the content, that's was on us, not Jason and Matt)

          I just today read through the remarks on the thread asking about the ASM.

          Just from poor business acumen many thread contributors exhibited on the forum here, it is pretty clear there is absolutely no need for concern about the market getting saturated. The thing that I think should be a concern, even for those making 5 or 6 figures a month selling private label on FBA, is having "all your eggs in one basket". That's why it makes sense to get things GOING on Amz FBA, and then use your brand position to leverage into other retailers.

          Anyway, I think it's just inexperience CopyDog, but this thread title seems to imply that there are integrity issues with getting a refund from Jason and Matt. I'm sure it's an oversight on your part and probablt not intended that way... likely concern for getting back about $1000 which is a chunk of change.

          You asked for the refund on a Friday... and became concerned you were being neglected by Monday morning? WAIT... but Monday afternoon/evening you were informed that a chargeback refund had been issued.

          In my experience, that is some pretty fast action from a merchant!

          Thoughts about the program... and the comments here about it.


          • You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

          NO... you don't HAVE to do that. But it would sure be foolish not to. It's YOUR business. And no, it probably would be less than brilliant for a manufacturer to send out free samples to everyone that says "yeah, I'm a big shot retailer you've never heard of... send me a free sample at your expense."

          • If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

          That concern is based on the poorly framed logic of the first one. My take on it? The money I paid to see the product just saved me spending $800 for a large order of an inferior product.

          • You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

          If you had really retained what you have learned, you woud know that they are explicit in saying you should settle on products that are "small and light", and that don't take up much space. You are ALSO instructed to do solid research on how to best ship stuff...

          ...there are solid companies (DHL, etc...) that can move stuff very nominal prices. But, you have to WORK HARD and use MATH to see if your ROI numbers work

          • You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

          NO... you don't HAVE to do this either. But if your hard work up to this point netted you a $7.20 product, that you can retail all day for $27 (from a real product niche... which, no, I won't divulge... but I'll say it sells to gun owners :-) ), NETTING you close to 100% profit... then buying quantity to increase you ROI by 20% to 40% would make sense.

          Something that pans out into a real business, will be based on hard work, and the teacity to solve problems as they arise. There will also be risk.

          Show my someone who has taken no risk at all trying to build a job replacing income... and I'll show you someone who has hopped from "next big thing" to "next big thing", and still not really made any money.

          I'm not trying to pick on you CopyDog... what you decided in asking for a refund was you just being clear and honest in your assessment, that it "wasn't for you".

          Prior to the internet... you would be stunned to find out how many retired folks have spent $50,000 to $100,000 of their hard earned money to buy into a franchise business, and earned themselves 60 to 80 hour weeks, and slim, if any, margins. Most of them fail.

          Business is business. It's not a hobby... to build something that will throw off a lot of ROI once it has momentum takes a huge amount of work on the front end, problem solving skills... and tenacity to keep at it on those "bad days".

          I can tell anyone on WF about a product that,if they rolled it out, would for SURE net them MILLIONS of dollars.

          A safe non habit forming pill that was healthy, and made average folks focus, and take massive tenacious action on well formed business ideas seeing them past "proof of concept" to the decision making point of GO or NO-GO.

          :-)

          Best of luck!
          Spot on with your information, I think people who had been in the course forget to memtion you do NOT need to get samples, AND do NOT need to ship from China. I live in the UK and found a supplier in the US, plus I didnt get any samples, in addition I have a profit margin of 68%, I only spend $800ish on inventory to get things started (I say only... I could have got less).

          I am now placing my next order, which has been confirmed virtually via email. I also agree with your point, having all your eggs in one basket could have you at the mercy of Amazon, which is why its recommended to set up a store "once" you're consistently making sales.
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          • Profile picture of the author JamesBoyd
            Originally Posted by milla04 View Post

            you do NOT need to get samples
            honestly only a complete idiot would not get samples 1st if buying from China

            Originally Posted by milla04 View Post

            AND do NOT need to ship from China
            if you don't buy from China then you are eliminating about 90% of possible products, yes you can find suppliers in the USA but it's for a very limited range of products
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by Copydog View Post

        Sagbee, sorry for not replying sooner (have been too busy to get back to the WF).

        • You have to get product samples from manufacturers (and pay the courier costs).

        • If the product is substandard, you've lost the money you paid to see the product.

        • You have to pay for space in a container on the ship when ordering from overseas suppliers (you pay per cubic metre).

        • You sometimes have to order quite a large quantity of the product.

        And there are probably other costs involved as well (this opportunity is not for someone on a tight budget).

        Plus there's the monthly payment of $997 (so it would take 4 months to go through the whole course and get up and running solidly).

        Although this will probably work for some (I hope it does), it's not for me.

        Glad I got a refund and moved on...
        I have no affiliation with ASM (and to be perfectly honest, I think it's way over-priced for what it is), but I have to ask... what exactly did you think ASM was going to be?

        I mean, the whole model is based on creating a brand and selling your brand of products on Amazon, so obviously you would have to pay to have those products made.

        Since the goal is ultimately to build a brand that Amazon wants to take an inventory position on, anyone doing this would want to do some QA and be familiar with the products before you put your name on them. And naturally you would have to order a large enough quantity to justify the white label costs + be able to fulfill. In the meantime, with Amazon handling fulfillment, you're going to be paying them storage fees - that's pretty standard for any pick & pack arrangement. But you didn't even get that far, you're worried about the cost of a handful of samples?

        I just don't see why you would be willing to fork over the price of the course, but not have anything left over to actually buy the products you planned on selling? Doesn't make any sense.
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      How much further Investment would be there.. but there was no response. Maybe you can give approx idea.. how much further investment there ?
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        Originally Posted by BeverlyDweller View Post

        How much further Investment would be there.. but there was no response. Maybe you can give approx idea.. how much further investment there ?
        @BeverlyDweller I broke down the investment if you choose to go with ASM here.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post9118256

        The biggest part of the investment is getting inventory, which some take a few months to save after their ASM investment.

        If your seeking more information and some likely questions you probably have like most. I hosted two free hangouts with about 60 people. I have about 2 1/2 of great information in them. You can find them posted on this thread I created to make it easy to find.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...check-out.html
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            Originally Posted by MaxRebos View Post

            You DO NOT need inventory to make money on Amazon. Dropship is the way go! Been doing it for 10 years and I am not a millionaire, but making a good living. It takes sometime, but you have no monetary lay out. You start in the BLACK and end up in the BLACK. Not start in the RED and Maybe after a year or so you made it out, or you are deeper the RED.
            If you're doing it for 10 years you must know by now what the profitable niches are so what stops you from increasing your margins big time? Scared to invest a little of your savings?
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            • Profile picture of the author ronrule
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              If you're doing it for 10 years you must know by now what the profitable niches are so what stops you from increasing your margins big time? Scared to invest a little of your savings?
              ^^ This is an excellent point...

              Why not take an inventory position on the items you know will move, buy them cheaper, and have Amazon fulfill? That would increase the margins by 20-40% on average.
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              • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
                Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

                ^^ This is an excellent point...

                Why not take an inventory position on the items you know will move, buy them cheaper, and have Amazon fulfill? That would increase the margins by 20-40% on average.
                This could be a less risky way to test waters...
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                • Profile picture of the author ronrule
                  Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

                  This could be a less risky way to test waters...
                  I would agree, but he said he had been doing it for ten years this way. At some point you would know which items were worth sourcing directly.
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            Originally Posted by MaxRebos View Post

            You DO NOT need inventory to make money on Amazon. Dropship is the way go!
            But you can't dropship with Amazon FBA. Besides, with dropshipping you still have customer support on your head.
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            • Profile picture of the author Importexport
              Originally Posted by MaxRebos View Post

              Dropship! Never get inventory/stock. Only deal with vendors in YOUR country. Very hard to go after a company in China when you live in the USA when they do not deliver.
              Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

              @nik0 - Great points. I just reached out to my friend that imports a lot from overseas in the fitness areana.

              I asked him some questions for my group about importing. Few things he shared that go with what you mentioned above.

              1) Don' risk more money than they can afford to loose on imports. When here first started he lost 20k on an order

              2) Find products you can air mail starting out

              3) Samples should be sent pretty quickly, if not they likely don't make it.

              4) He suggests 90% of the listings on Alibaba are from manufactures that are either complete fraud or they can figure out how to make the item but just post the products and try to figure out how to make it after they get the order

              5) Most manufactures if they legit will already have shipping companies they work with. Before it is loaded on the ship you would need a customs broker here

              6) Find super light and if possible very small products. Air mail such as Fedex can be very cheap from china compared to shipping cost here. If manufacture is already producing the items you could have the product in 1 week compared to months by sea

              7) When it works it works great and you can make lots of money but its a gamble and you can also loose big time or have super long delays which cost customers.

              I hope that helps everyone.
              Importing from China, and using Alibaba as the place to find suppliers have both been mentioned in this thread a few times recently so I decided to clarify the issue. I have only quoted a couple of them.

              First, it seems that MaxRebos is strong on avoiding dealing with China after some bad experience. It is true that there are many people who have been burnt trying to buy from China, but in every case I have seen it is largely a result of some basic mistakes:
              • They have used the site recommended by ASM - Alibaba. That site is notorious for several reasons. There are plenty of scammers there and Alibaba themselves admitted that 2336 of their Gold Suppliers had scammed buyers. But don't think Alibaba is the only sourcing site where you can get burnt! Most of the popular sites have the same basic problems.
              • They have not done adequate research. Almost every supplier on the popular sites will falsely claim to be manufacturers. See Josh Belanger's point 4 above. As a result buyers are dealing with traders and wholesalers who often do not carry inventory and don't even have any prior arrangement with the manufacturers.
              • They have relied on the "security" of dealing with verified and gold suppliers, not bothering to read the fine print that tells them that verified means the business exists and Gold or other status symbols mean the business exists and has bought a status symbol that gives the impression that they are reliable.
              • They have relied on the misinformation that abounds on the forum and in some courses being sold.
              • They don't learn the basics of importing before they place orders and often use payment methods that are almost guaranteed to lose them their money.
              • They treat buying overseas as though they were buying locally.
              • They don't learn simple things such as what Chinese people mean when they say "Yes". They are not liars, they have a different social custom.
              I could go on, but I just want to comment on two points in the advice that Josh Belanger's friend gave him:

              Josh's Point 5 If you are shipping large quantities it is highly inadvisable to do what he says. Do not just rely on your supplier's shipping companies that they work with. Look at their quotes but check out alternatives. You will likely need more expert help than a Customs broker.

              Josh's Point 7. It is only a gamble if you don't do it the right way. I have taught people in 35 countries how to source safely, using safe site, not the ones always recommended on forums.

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              • Profile picture of the author bionictortoise
                Really glad I found this thread. I have learned lots of stuff and found lots more resources to check before taking the plunge.

                I attended 2 ASM sales webinars, and the second one claimed to give away "20 Hot Products that you could start selling right away!"

                One huge red flag for me, was the blatant lies about the amount of money that could be made on these products.

                While on the webinar, the ASM guys said one product sold 600 units a day and made $17,400.00 a day in sales. That made me pay attention!

                So I used the FBA tool they suggested to check it myself. It actually sells between 18 and 32 a day: - nowhere near the figures they were coming up with.

                (They didn't need to lie. The true figures were still good for a $30 item, but this of course was the top selling item that you would have to beat).

                Other copycats have come along, all using FBA (and using lots of criteria suggested, so possibly ASM students). But I even added all their sales too, and it was still less than 41 units sold per day.

                So I continued to go through every one of the 20 products, and on average they just multiplied the real daily sales by 10. Literally! - If the item sold 25, they said it sold 250!

                And the Rank number was still the same in many cases, so it's not a case of their figures being correct a year ago. The seller ranks were up-to-date. They just blatantly lied. So how can I trust anything the ASM guys say from now on?

                Don't get me wrong. I could see how you could make a good living at this, if you start small and put every penny back into the business for at least the first 6 months. But the webinar guys were clearly desperate for sales, so they stooped to lying to get people to buy.

                The $4000 price also included a free ticket to Las Vegas seminar/workshop, which for me was no good, as I wouldn't have had any money over for hotel and flight from UK, let alone inventory.

                I have since found a few products that they didn't mention and that haven't got saturated on Amazon, that produced good figures. I think I will buy Jim Cockrum's PAC course. But I won't be using Alibaba or GlobalSources to get stock.
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                • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
                  Originally Posted by bionictortoise View Post

                  I attended 2 ASM sales webinars, and the second one claimed to give away *"20 Hot Products that you could start selling right away!"*

                  One huge red flag for me, was the blatant lies about the amount of money that could be made on these products.
                  For me the red flag was endorsement of competition for these 20 products. Seems like guys ran out of ideas to provide value in webinars.


                  Originally Posted by bionictortoise View Post

                  So I used the FBA tool they suggested to check it myself. It actually sells between 18 and 32 a day: - nowhere near the figures they were coming up with.
                  Can you give reference to the tool you are taking about?

                  Originally Posted by bionictortoise View Post

                  Other copycats have come along, all using FBA (and using lots of criteria suggested, so possibly ASM students).
                  How you know they came for 20 of these products?

                  Originally Posted by bionictortoise View Post

                  But the webinar guys were clearly desperate for sales, so they stooped to lying to get people to buy.
                  Surprising because they don't look like slimy marketers. And why would they want to mislead people for the sake of cash-in with the lifestyle they already have? Their look implies trust and sincerity. Or does it? They should have made it clear about additional expenses involved.

                  Originally Posted by bionictortoise View Post

                  The $4000 price also included a free ticket to Las Vegas seminar/workshop, which for me was no good, as I wouldn't have had any money over for hotel and flight from UK, let alone inventory.
                  Better use this money to get PAC and the rest to invest in inventory and private labeling.

                  Originally Posted by bionictortoise View Post

                  I have since found a few products that they didn't mention and that haven't got saturated on Amazon, that produced good figures.
                  Everybody is digging their own gold. The key is to find your own approach that works for you without sharing your secrets.

                  Originally Posted by bionictortoise View Post

                  I think I will buy Jim Cockrum's PAC course. But I won't be using Alibaba or GlobalSources to get stock
                  It's odd how they endorsed Alibaba in their presentations and webinars, isn't it?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                    Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

                    For me the red flag was endorsement of competition for these 20 products. Seems like guys ran out of ideas to provide value in webinars.

                    Can you give reference to the tool you are taking about?

                    How you know they came for 20 of these products?

                    Surprising because they don't look like slimy marketers. And why would they want to mislead people for the sake of cash-in with the lifestyle they already have? Their look implies trust and sincerity. Or does it? They should have made it clear about additional expenses involved.

                    Better use this money to get PAC and the rest to invest in inventory and private labeling.

                    Everybody is digging their own gold. The key is to find your own approach that works for you without sharing your secrets.

                    It's odd how they endorsed Alibaba in their presentations and webinars, isn't it?
                    Your last comment is revealing. It shows that they haven't got a clue about safe sourcing. Alibaba is one of the last places to go to find genuine manufacturers. See my post #137 above.

                    Using Alibaba is probably why Josh Belanger's friend advised him: "1) Don' risk more money than they can afford to loose on imports. When here first started he lost 20k on an order" It would seem that his friend had followed the advice in the ASM course and that's how he lost 20K on an order.
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                        Originally Posted by havefun25 View Post

                        Hello everyone, its not really fair to listen to Josh belanger , because he took the ASM content and created his own, and he is charging $1000 (or $800) . What a rip off, read below to see why.

                        I had written a post on his page with my opinion about his course, and it was taken off.

                        Here is it again
                        Hello, Josh and everyone else

                        My opinion is , that your (Josh belanger ) course is way way OVER PRICED
                        let me explain, the ASM cost $3,500 the affiliates get at least $1,700 if not $2,000 so let's say they get only $1,700, so what's left for the owners of ASM (MATT, AND JASON) $1700 if you divide that , do you know what's left ??
                        ONLY $750 for each owner , and now you have to calculate all their cost, like all their contents, high standard site, tools , and a lot more... in a few words a lot more stuff and it cost them a lot more to make than yours Josh)

                        AND JOSH CHARGES $1,000 (or even $800) with no over head just for one time creating 30 videos,
                        does it make sense??

                        Even more the PROVEN AMAZON COURSE , that was made buy a leading expert (jim cockrum),and has tons of content and continuously adding more , with no additional chare plus an excellent forum , DO YOJ KNOW HOW MUCH HE CHARGES ??
                        Not even $300
                        Oh I forgot to mention that jim cockrum has also more than 30 staff members.
                        Here is a quote of Jim cockrum, when people asked him to lower his price
                        "That same team is also working very hard to continually update and improve the course - literally DAILY it gets better with new content, new sourcing ideas and layout improvements.

                        Also keep in mind that we only charge a one time fee and you get all future updates. We don't have any other fees in the future as the course improves. We pay a large staff (over 30) moderators to help on our forums, and I pay student experts VERY well to add in their ideas. It's like an evolving wikipedia of the best ideas for selling product on Amazon".

                        Thanks for reading
                        Waiting for you comments
                        I don’t know if this is necessarily sound logic to be honest. I mean to me, it just seems crazy to have to price a product at $3500 in order to pay your affiliates half. I mean, it made sense maybe when things cost like $50. But if you’re ok accepting $1750, then you still need to double so you can pay some guy who (realistically) probably had very little to do with actually SELLING the course.

                        Regarding the PAC program, they have a website, a forum, and a bunch of moderators who are probably minimally paid. It’s not like they have a staff of 30 that is buzzing around the PAC HQ in downtown NYC. Like I’ve said before in my review of PAC, it’s very unorganized and most of the people that were presenting topics under their modules seemed to be kinda newbie sellers. It sounds like based on what I’ve read, that they simply pay Amazon sellers for information that they include in their course. Not that it’s a bad thing, but I wasn’t impressed with the content.

                        Realistically, I think there is a huge opportunity for an experienced amazon marketer to teach the masses .
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                        • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
                          Originally Posted by Ryan David View Post

                          I don’t know if this is necessarily sound logic to be honest. I mean to me, it just seems crazy to have to price a product at $3500 in order to pay your affiliates half.
                          Either they are overconfident in everyone's success or reveal something in course they don't talk about outside of it that "changes lifes"

                          Originally Posted by Ryan David View Post

                          Like I’ve said before in my review of PAC, it’s very unorganized and most of the people that were presenting topics under their modules seemed to be kinda newbie sellers.
                          Did you check the latest update which was in this month?
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                        • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
                          Originally Posted by Ryan David View Post

                          it’s very unorganized and most of the people that were presenting topics under their modules seemed to be kinda newbie sellers. It sounds like based on what I’ve read, that they simply pay Amazon sellers for information that they include in their course. Not that it’s a bad thing, but I wasn’t impressed with the content.
                          Ryan, I agree totally about the PAC course. Very disorganized. There were something like 4 or 5 "getting started" videos and/or pdf's. And after going through all of them, I still couldn't figure out where to get started lol
                          And I especially thought the section on private labeling was kind of ridiculous. Still probably a much better value than ASM though.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
                            Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

                            And I especially thought the section on private labeling was kind of ridiculous. Still probably a much better value than ASM though.
                            What was ridiculous exactly?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
                            Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

                            Ryan, I agree totally about the PAC course. Very disorganized. There were something like 4 or 5 "getting started" videos and/or pdf's. And after going through all of them, I still couldn't figure out where to get started lol
                            And I especially thought the section on private labeling was kind of ridiculous. Still probably a much better value than ASM though.
                            Yeah, I agree. I just thought most of the presenters seemed like amateurs. Kinda reminds me when I first got started selling online and bought a course by a guy named Adam Ginsberg. All his success story students were the "Hey, I bought some ski tickets at a charity event and sold them on ebay" types.

                            I consider myself a novice when it comes to Amazon selling and I am one day away from breaking $100K in sales for a 30day period. If I consider myself a novice, most of the experts featured in these courses are newbies.

                            But I disagree that PAC is a better value than ASM. ASM's free videos were actually tremendous value and I would say more valuable than the paid PAC course.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
                      Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                      Your last comment is revealing. It shows that they haven't got a clue about safe sourcing. Alibaba is one of the last places to go to find genuine manufacturers. See my post #137 above.

                      Using Alibaba is probably why Josh Belanger's friend advised him: "1) Don' risk more money than they can afford to loose on imports. When here first started he lost 20k on an order" It would seem that his friend had followed the advice in the ASM course and that's how he lost 20K on an order.
                      @Importexport - My friend has no idea what ASM is. He been selling physical products in the fitness arena for many years with several millions in sales every year on his own site.

                      You might have experience and have done it many years, so you know more than someone trying to starting out and the tricks.

                      My post was to provide people that are STARTING out and/or wanting to learn themselves to help avoid some of these issues or understand that is might be a little more difficult then what others are saying.
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                    • Profile picture of the author batchos
                      Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                      Your last comment is revealing. It shows that they haven't got a clue about safe sourcing. Alibaba is one of the last places to go to find genuine manufacturers. See my post #137 above.
                      It's more like they are trying to hide their true sources for those who join the course. This has always been a red herring to me.
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      Jordan,

      Many thanks for the very valuable info in your video.

      I wish I'd seen this before getting involved with Amazing Selling Machine...

      All the best,

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    well,

    As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

    1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

    2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

    3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

    Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

    PM me if anyone is interested.
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    • Profile picture of the author BusyMum_2010
      Hello vBox,

      I PM'ed you about this one. Please reply on that because I am now ready to do this kind of business.

      Thanks.



      Originally Posted by vbox View Post

      well,

      As someone lived in China and quite familiar with samping and shipping processes, I'd like to chim in a little,

      1. Sampling does have cost, at least for first time customers who orders smaller quantity and cares 'minimum quantity' a lot. But in most cases, it's not big cost because all suppliers willing to sample for you expect to make money on the following orders, not the sample itself.

      2. As for shipping. Courier is mostly used for samples, both for time reason and difficulty you will get yourself into to ship anything less then 1 cubic meter by sea, let alone all the custom clearence documents you need to cover. It's simply not worthwhile to ship sample by sea, or any smaller quantity products(considerring AMS covers mostly smaller products, 1 cubic meter could be thousands).

      3. I'd recommend everyone consider the shipping factor in sourcing products. Personally I would strongly tend to look into smallest and lightest products which could still make a profit by courier shipping, it'll save tons of trouble to everything.

      Lastly, since I'm very much interested in this program and I have missed the time to join, if anyone in the course is interested in JV with me, feel free to let me know. Since I'm in China, I could get you anything in a better term as a local. I could even do it free, if you let me understand how you sell it well throgh AMS so we help each other to succeed.

      PM me if anyone is interested.
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      • Profile picture of the author cellcom
        I see this course is re-opening again as they are doing a launch. For those of you that have bought it one of the things I am interested in is "branding" a product to sell. They talk about going to elance to have a designer design labels & packaging. Was that process explained/taught well enough to actually execute it and put it into practice ?

        Also, the section on finding potential products to "brand". Was that thorough enough ?

        thanks in advance
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      • Profile picture of the author pauls_pad2002
        Originally Posted by shunter87 View Post

        Are you buying the ASM now that its open and are u still in China ?

        i have 2 products selling on amazon im ASM member have been for over a year and im doing well and growing daily....expect to be on 25k by xmas. i dont know what u mean by still in china i have products from usa
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        • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
          Originally Posted by pauls_pad2002 View Post

          i have 2 products selling on amazon im ASM member have been for over a year and im doing well and growing daily....expect to be on 25k by xmas. i dont know what u mean by still in china i have products from usa
          I'm not going to bash success, but WTH? You say everyone should join a $3500 course and be mentored by you when you're doing those measly numbers?

          Selling on amazon is the easiest way of making money. It's so easy that you don't even need a course to tell you how to do it. I've been marketing online for almost 10 years and have done multi-million in sales through regular e-commerce sites, adsense sites, affiliate sites, etc. That stuff took about 10x the amount of knowledge and know-how than selling on amazon.
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        • Profile picture of the author Importexport
          Originally Posted by pauls_pad2002 View Post

          i have 2 products selling on amazon im ASM member have been for over a year and im doing well and growing daily....expect to be on 25k by xmas. i dont know what u mean by still in china i have products from usa
          Turnover means nothing. What profit do you net on 25K?
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          • Profile picture of the author pauls_pad2002
            Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

            Turnover means nothing. What profit do you net on 25K?
            the average is 40-70% profit before tax some accept less but then they are probably doing more volume maybe on a lower priced more in demand product but then some do more and sell less but maybe have a higher margin
            this thing works like crazy , if it doesn't you haven't done enough....everyone i know who works it like it should be worked are making money and some are doing an enormous amount
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            • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
              Originally Posted by pauls_pad2002 View Post

              everyone i know who works it like it should be worked are making money and some are doing an enormous amount
              And everyone competes for same product probably. That's what I keep seeing over and over. Just search for "garlic press" and you will see how they clutter Amazon's results. I am not even talking about supplements where everyone unscrupulously undermines each other's reputation by organizing "honest" negative reviews.

              If that's success that you are talking about where everyone commits such acts because of their greed then this is not different than IM and SEO where they pillage and ruin the system.
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              • Profile picture of the author pauls_pad2002
                Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

                And everyone competes for same product probably. That's what I keep seeing over and over. Just search for "garlic press" and you will see how they clutter Amazon's results. I am not even talking about supplements where everyone unscrupulously undermines each other's reputation by organizing "honest" negative reviews.

                If that's success that you are talking about where everyone commits such acts because of their greed then this is not different than IM and SEO where they pillage and ruin the system.

                Felix jump on a bandwagon where it matters....its over mate , there are 2 million products on amazon to choose from. its not like some click-bank course where everyone is trying to rank for the same term over and over. can you even imagine if you have any kind of brain , the infinite possibilities for ranking a product url , in not only its simplest form but other forms.a web page for the ton of terms possible as well as the ton of possible keywords to help drive traffic from amazons on traffic system. the possibilities are endless not to mention 200 products per each sign up that they could possibly sell not only that there are millions of drop-ship options if you do that kind of business. it is completely endless..the only problem here is your tiny mindset where you sit at your computer wondering who you can target or what business you can rubbish....get on with your life and start doing something with it....instead of moaning all day long because you cant figure out how to make real money. if trolling is what you do then you make a poor bloody job doing that....we have made the best and biggest change in our lives with ASM and so many others have as well you actually have no idea. those that don't get money from it are literally either lazy or are not following the system is seriously is that good and that easy.
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                  Originally Posted by pauls_pad2002 View Post

                  Felix jump on a bandwagon where it matters....its over mate , there are 2 million products on amazon to choose from. its not like some click-bank course where everyone is trying to rank for the same term over and over. can you even imagine if you have any kind of brain , the infinite possibilities for ranking a product url , in not only its simplest form but other forms.a web page for the ton of terms possible as well as the ton of possible keywords to help drive traffic from amazons on traffic system. the possibilities are endless not to mention 200 products per each sign up that they could possibly sell not only that there are millions of drop-ship options if you do that kind of business. it is completely endless..the only problem here is your tiny mindset where you sit at your computer wondering who you can target or what business you can rubbish....get on with your life and start doing something with it....instead of moaning all day long because you cant figure out how to make real money. if trolling is what you do then you make a poor bloody job doing that....we have made the best and biggest change in our lives with ASM and so many others have as well you actually have no idea. those that don't get money from it are literally either lazy or are not following the system is seriously is that good and that easy.

                  I was in ASM 3. ASM gives you a certain criteria to follow when picking a product. There's only about 200-300 products that meet that criteria. So yes, everyone is competing with each other. In fact they are now telling people in ASM4 to target products that are less competitive now. They didn't do that in ASM3.

                  My ASM business is starting to pick up finally but I can tell you that my other online business's are easier and (so far) more profitable. That would be SEO and adsense and affiliate marketing. And those 2 methods did not require $8k to get started (includes the cost of the course). Also, a customer can sue you when selling a private label product. Can't really get sued for affiliate marketing or adsense.

                  In the private Facebook group there are a lot of success stories but also some failures. I can't give a full review yet because just now I'm starting my promotions to get things going. Dealing with China took forever but it went smooth. It takes them 30 days to build my product, then another 10 days to ship it here by air and get it to amazon.

                  So its been a slow process.
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                  • Profile picture of the author pauls_pad2002
                    Originally Posted by TheAdsenseGuy View Post

                    I was in ASM 3. ASM gives you a certain criteria to follow when picking a product. There's only about 200-300 products that meet that criteria. So yes, everyone is competing with each other. In fact they are now telling people in ASM4 to target products that are less competitive now. They didn't do that in ASM3.

                    My ASM business is starting to pick up finally but I can tell you that my other online business's are easier and (so far) more profitable. That would be SEO and adsense and affiliate marketing. And those 2 methods did not require $8k to get started (includes the cost of the course). Also, a customer can sue you when selling a private label product. Can't really get sued for affiliate marketing or adsense.

                    In the private Facebook group there are a lot of success stories but also some failures. I can't give a full review yet because just now I'm starting my promotions to get things going. Dealing with China took forever but it went smooth. It takes them 30 days to build my product, then another 10 days to ship it here by air and get it to amazon.

                    So its been a slow process.
                    I also have an seo business and belong to a high cost course however the only problem with seo is that goodle can de index your PBN if not set up correctly and most seo,s cant afford to buy into courses that cost a fortune for a limited amount of help. your ASM new still but once you get the tools working and the products go viral in the social set up and your ranking climbs your gonna get some great sales its only up and up..it rarely comes down to the point where you lose your sales market.

                    what seo course did u belong to and i agree with te cost factor but the time factor far out weighs the seo purchase if its the course im thinking. i do agree that SEO is a great business but very volatile as well as opposed to say amazon that is long term where newbies can be up and running quicker than learning SEO
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                    • Profile picture of the author TheAdsenseGuy
                      Originally Posted by pauls_pad2002 View Post

                      I also have an seo business and belong to a high cost course however the only problem with seo is that goodle can de index your PBN if not set up correctly and most seo,s cant afford to buy into courses that cost a fortune for a limited amount of help. your ASM new still but once you get the tools working and the products go viral in the social set up and your ranking climbs your gonna get some great sales its only up and up..it rarely comes down to the point where you lose your sales market.

                      what seo course did u belong to and i agree with te cost factor but the time factor far out weighs the seo purchase if its the course im thinking. i do agree that SEO is a great business but very volatile as well as opposed to say amazon that is long term where newbies can be up and running quicker than learning SEO
                      Yeah, I know what you mean about SEO being volatile. Been making a full time income from it for 5 years now with only adsense sites. For over a year now, it's been very stable and it's not too volatile anymore if you know how to do it.

                      I don't build PBN's like most people. When I try to rank a page i'll buy maybe 6 or so PR 1-2's (Trust Flow of 15+). But for each domain I only put 1 link on the homepage going to my money site. Normal PBN guys will put 10+ links on the homepage going to different websites. But when you have a themed PBN with 1 outbound link to your money site it gives a big boost in the serps. And there is no footprint. Never had any deindexed. You can pick domains up like this for $30+. I was in Beckers Source Infinitum seo course. It was $50 per month but he discontinued it. Best seo training I ever found.

                      But getting back to ASM. I can tell you this. If all you do is list your PL product on Amazon you won't sell much or anything. But I'm doing my promo campaign today so well see if that works.

                      Yeah, you're right that ASM would be easier for a newbie than learning SEO. ASM can be more risky though since you can get sued by a customer (unlikely but it could happen). Pros and cons to everything.

                      My product is currently on page 2 of Amazon for 3 of my keywords but not getting any sales. I'm usually making sales by sending Facebook ad traffic to it. And today I'm going to do that promo campaign so we'll see how it goes. If it works then my product should be on page 1 in a couple days. (I'm not allowed to say what exactly I'm doing with this promo campaign. They make you sign something).

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                      • Profile picture of the author pauls_pad2002
                        Originally Posted by TheAdsenseGuy View Post

                        Yeah, I know what you mean about SEO being volatile. Been making a full time income from it for 5 years now with only adsense sites. For over a year now, it's been very stable and it's not too volatile anymore if you know how to do it.

                        I don't build PBN's like most people. When I try to rank a page i'll buy maybe 6 or so PR 1-2's (Trust Flow of 15+). But for each domain I only put 1 link on the homepage going to my money site. Normal PBN guys will put 10+ links on the homepage going to different websites. But when you have a themed PBN with 1 outbound link to your money site it gives a big boost in the serps. And there is no footprint. Never had any deindexed. You can pick domains up like this for $30+. I was in Beckers Source Infinitum seo course. It was $50 per month but he discontinued it. Best seo training I ever found.

                        But getting back to ASM. I can tell you this. If all you do is list your PL product on Amazon you won't sell much or anything. But I'm doing my promo campaign today so well see if that works.

                        Yeah, you're right that ASM would be easier for a newbie than learning SEO. ASM can be more risky though since you can get sued by a customer (unlikely but it could happen). Pros and cons to everything.

                        My product is currently on page 2 of Amazon for 3 of my keywords but not getting any sales. I'm usually making sales by sending Facebook ad traffic to it. And today I'm going to do that promo campaign so we'll see how it goes. If it works then my product should be on page 1 in a couple days. (I'm not allowed to say what exactly I'm doing with this promo campaign. They make you sign something).

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                        similar tow hat i do in SEO but i work with clients ranking their sites. plus i do lease deals. As for ASM im no 2 in my category doing well, launching 3rd product soon ready for xmas. you need to turn on advertising if your not getting sales from FB or keyword rankings and choose better keywords. there is a strategy with azon ads however which i wont share here as its making good money for most that know it. high earning strategy. so i know it works.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BrentDotCom
                    Originally Posted by TheAdsenseGuy View Post

                    I was in ASM 3. ASM gives you a certain criteria to follow when picking a product. There's only about 200-300 products that meet that criteria. So yes, everyone is competing with each other. In fact they are now telling people in ASM4 to target products that are less competitive now. They didn't do that in ASM3.

                    My ASM business is starting to pick up finally but I can tell you that my other online business's are easier and (so far) more profitable. That would be SEO and adsense and affiliate marketing. And those 2 methods did not require $8k to get started (includes the cost of the course). Also, a customer can sue you when selling a private label product. Can't really get sued for affiliate marketing or adsense.

                    In the private Facebook group there are a lot of success stories but also some failures. I can't give a full review yet because just now I'm starting my promotions to get things going. Dealing with China took forever but it went smooth. It takes them 30 days to build my product, then another 10 days to ship it here by air and get it to amazon.

                    So its been a slow process.
                    sorry, man, but this isn't even close to true.
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                        Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

                        Agreed, Brent. The size of the market is enormous. The ASM product selection guidelines are for beginners and play extremely safe. Once experience has been gained then there is an endless range of possible products to sell.
                        Well, it is kind of true that they limit the number of products recommended. I can still remember the Garcinia Cambogia frenzy!
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                        Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

                        Agreed, Brent. The size of the market is enormous. The ASM product selection guidelines are for beginners and play extremely safe. Once experience has been gained then there is an endless range of possible products to sell.
                        Not endless after applying filters ASM suggest. Now exclude categories with complex products like electronics and high-liability risk ones. Add to this the fact that market gets flooded with another "me too" product. Add competition from China - traders and even manufacturers who push you out with their thin margins and this narrows down potential products from tens of millions to a few millions. Add to this potential IP violations and this shrinks it even more which is nothing like was promised by ASM guys.
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            Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

            Turnover means nothing. What profit do you net on 25K?
            I have access to a large number of ASMers, having personally coached them through the course materials. I can tell you that the average net profit is usually somewhere around 40-45%. On my own part, my net profit is currently 53%.

            Hope this helps. Contact me if you need more info.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesBoyd
      Originally Posted by morphers View Post

      It was and still is an excellent course
      Re Opening.... I bet the current members are going to be really happy about that!

      The only people promoting this are those with an eye on the $1500-2000 affiliate commission they will earn.... sort of tells you what the real value in the course is if they can give away 1/2 the course fee to affiliates

      Caveat Emptor
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by JamesBoyd View Post

        Re Opening.... I bet the current members are going to be really happy about that!

        The only people promoting this are those with an eye on the $1500-2000 affiliate commission they will earn.... sort of tells you what the real value in the course is if they can give away 1/2 the course fee to affiliates

        Caveat Emptor
        The "real value" of anything is what people will pay for it. Of course, if it's a ripoff with tons of disgruntled people trying to get refunded, then the value would have to be adjusted down, perhaps to nothing, but if the refund rate is reasonable, and there are a lot of happy buyers getting what they wanted, it's value is what they think it is, to them. Anyone else isn't their market, and our opinions on their product's "real value" mean nothing, especially if we haven't even seen it.

        Of course, you can't convince a Ford lover that a Lambo is worth 20 (or however many) Fords. To me, a super-car would be a cool looking waste of money that I'd never enjoy because I'd be beating myself up about the pollution, but I'm not their market.

        I can't speak to the quality of this course, but the "value can't be very high if they give affiliates 50%" argument is spurious. I've seen a ton of higher ticket (four figures) courses giving promoters 1/2 the price.

        In any digital course, the minimal cost to deliver it makes generous commissions easy to do, and smart, and is hardly proof of the course having a low value. It is more indicative of the high value of rainmakers; don't forget that sales is a very high paid profession. And why not? Most affiliates are going to bring buyers the seller wouldn't have sold otherwise; it's a windfall for both seller and promoter, a win win, and a win for the buyers if they are doing as well as is being reported.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by JamesBoyd View Post

        Re Opening.... I bet the current members are going to be really happy about that!

        The only people promoting this are those with an eye on the $1500-2000 affiliate commission they will earn.... sort of tells you what the real value in the course is if they can give away 1/2 the course fee to affiliates

        Caveat Emptor
        Whatever else may be said about the course (and I have no opinion, having not bought it), it is ridiculous to suggest that when you're paying for knowledge, the knowledge must not be worth much if the affiliates get half the sticker price. It isn't like a college course, where there are fixed costs for every student-the teacher's time, the heated building with a limited number of seats, etc; the fixed costs are already paid, and don't rise if affiliates bring in more sales, and "seating" is unlimited, so of course they are well rewarded; so they will bring in more sales.

        In the internet marketing arena, it is wise to give generous commissions; you are getting half of something, rather than all of nothing, and the delivery cost is negligible, so why would you not give the industry standard of 50% commissions (or even greater) to the people making the sales happen? It is a high priced course, granted, but whether it is worth the cost has nothing to do with how high the sales commissions are; that's a bogus point.
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    I got my refund very fast, no problems on that score
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    • Profile picture of the author NetSensei
      Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

      However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

      I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
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      • Profile picture of the author JamesBoyd
        Originally Posted by NetSensei View Post

        Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China.... It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
        Then this course is not for you, the ASM course has virtually zero training on how to import from China, the training consisted of 1 - print out a shipping label from Amazon and send it to them and 2 - tell them to use DHL, hundreds of people left high and dry after being led down that path, horrible, one of the main reasons I asked for a refund
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      • Profile picture of the author writetale
        Originally Posted by NetSensei View Post

        Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

        However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

        I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
        i've also heard of products (especially "popular" and competitive ones) suddenly being "held up at the dock"...then what do you do? and who do you turn to for help?...what happens when you run afoul of existing, very competitive U.S. companies? and swiping images (did i REALLY see this in their video?)....

        this program is nothing i would sell to "warrior-forum-level" marketers....i just wouldn't...and with THAT kind of a price tag? wow.

        ps i'm unsubscribing from every list that promoted it...they should know better....
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        Originally Posted by NetSensei View Post

        Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

        However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

        I have heard that companies in Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
        Cosmetics from China? I imported from China for 22 years until I retired, and had great results but I would not consider them for cosmetics, vitamins, or food supplements..

        Have you thought of other countries besides Thailand and the Philippines? There are good low cost cosmetics available in many places now. Even next door in Taiwan would be a better proposition.

        Regarding bad experiences in China; there are many suppliers wrongly claiming to be manufacturers, and if they start off not telling the truth, you could expect them to continue that way.

        That is one of the many reasons why I teach going direct to genuine manufacturers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by NetSensei View Post

        Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the whole sale purchase or drop shipping agreements, etc.

        However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.
        Dishonest people in Chinese manufacturing? No way! Kidding to make a point.

        The point is, does nobody in marketing but me feel uncomfortable profiting from slave and child labor, or labor that is locked in dangerous factories so they won't "steal" from the employer by walking outside for a breath of air once in a while?

        I'm not trying to pick on you, but your post reminded me of a fact I found a little disturbing; I thought most people in the US were well aware of China's horrible human rights record, and the fact that because of it, they have been boycotted for years, but with no change in policy. And yet, in many conversations among marketers about importing, when China comes up, I have never seen one marketer say one word about it.

        I suggest if you would not own a slave yourself, that you avoid trading with states that use slave labor. The reason for bargain basement prices from some places isn't always pretty, and ought to disturb people who want to make money only if it isn't off the backs of political prisoners, children, and other sweat shop labor.
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          Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

          Dishonest people in Chinese manufacturing? No way! Kidding to make a point.

          The point is, does nobody in marketing but me feel uncomfortable profiting from slave and child labor, or labor that is locked in dangerous factories so they won't "steal" from the employer by walking outside for a breath of air once in a while?

          I'm not trying to pick on you, but your post reminded me of a fact I found a little disturbing; I thought most people in the US were well aware of China's horrible human rights record, and the fact that because of it, they have been boycotted for years, but with no change in policy. And yet, in many conversations among marketers about importing, when China comes up, I have never seen one marketer say one word about it.

          I suggest if you would not own a slave yourself, that you avoid trading with states that use slave labor. The reason for bargain basement prices from some places isn't always pretty, and ought to disturb people who want to make money only if it isn't off the backs of political prisoners, children, and other sweat shop labor.
          Then quit consuming / using anything as you will always risk to use something that's been produced by kids or people that work in bad conditions.

          Besides that you're exaggarating big time.

          When I worked in a chemical factory in THE NETHERLANDS, we also weren't allowed to go outside at night, so also locked up. Did we ever felt locked up? Not at all.
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          • Profile picture of the author Importexport
            Originally Posted by NetSensei View Post

            Interesting. What I would like is to make contacts in China. I had a client that imported 1 organic cosmetics from there to her business in Japan. In the past, I have purchased from a middle man, but it would be exciting to make some contacts there and 2 actually be able to go to the manufacturing plants and negotiate the 3whole sale purchase or 4drop shipping agreements, etc.

            However, a couple of my clients which have direct experience with some plants in China say that 5promises are sometimes broken and products that are sent are sometimes a bit different than the ones negotiated for.

            I have heard that companies in 6Thailand and the Philippines are now more agreeably and easier to work with than those from China. It is still an area I would be interested in if I could make the right contacts and learn the ropes with minimal risk.
            I am sure that this old post quoted by Greg guitar will be read by many, so I would like to put the record straight. I have numbered the points in red.
            1. Buying cosmetics, food products or supplements from China is a huge gamble.
            2. Always do your research first and make contact with suppliers before going to China. Visits to China should be for confirmation not for finding suppliers.
            3. If you are buying from genuine manufacturers, not the fakes you will find flooding the listings on the popular sourcing sites, you will be buying better than wholesale. You will be buying where the wholesalers buy.
            4. Only a small % of manufacturers in China will dropship. Those that do can be found on Aliexpress if you are game. They are rare as hens' teeth, but there are plenty of wholesalers there who dropship and at the same time compete with their customers.
            5. The reasons I began importing from China in 1987 instead of continuing to buy from a local manufacturer were: a) Frequently broken promises, in particular relating to delivery. b) Quality produced was often poorer than the samples. c) Service was almost non-existent. In China I got delivery faster than local, superb quality, and excellent service. I also got staggeringly lower prices.
            6. Easier to work with?Ever made an appointment to visit a business in Thailand or the Philippines? Take a good book with you. There are now many countries worth considering for sourcing imports, but I would have Thailand and the Philippines well down on my list. Many factories in Thailand are now operated by people from Taiwan, and the picture is quite different when you deal with them, so if you can find them you will do much better. They are not easy to find because they usually advertise out of Hong Kong and don't disclose that they are manufacturing in Thailand, Vietnam etc.
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              Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

              There are now many countries worth considering for sourcing imports, but I would have Thailand and the Philippines well down on my list. Many factories in Thailand are now operated by people from Taiwan, and the picture is quite different when you deal with them, so if you can find them you will do much better. They are not easy to find because they usually advertise out of Hong Kong and don't disclose that they are manufacturing in Thailand, Vietnam etc.
              I think Thailand is not interesting for Chinese manufacturers anymore.

              Minimum salary Thailand: 200 euro/month

              Average salary in Laos/Cambodia/Myanmar: 50 euro/month

              But yes agree, probably very hard to find them in these countries.
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              • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                I think Thailand is not interesting for Chinese manufacturers anymore.

                Minimum salary Thailand: 200 euro/month

                Average salary in Laos/Cambodia/Myanmar: 50 euro/month

                But yes agree, probably very hard to find them in these countries.
                Yes Niko, you are quite right. Taiwanese and mainland Chinese companies have to a large extent backed off shifting manufacturing to Thailand, and now have set up some manufacturing in Vietnam and other lower cost countries, but they will generally not disclose where they are manufacturing.

                Rising living standards in China are already having an effect. One of my old contacts in China from my 22 years of importing told me recently that government labor regulations as well as environmental demands are adding greatly to the cost of production. He does not want to retrench, but thinks he will have to cap his labor force at the current 6,000 and move offshore.

                Does that sound familiar to westerners?
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                • Profile picture of the author vanillawoods
                  Waiting for a refund for 2 days now for ASM, no response...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
                    Originally Posted by vanillawoods View Post

                    Waiting for a refund for 2 days now for ASM, no response...
                    Knowing how many people signed up, it might be a few days. They will process your refund.

                    What's the reason for the change of heart?
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                    • Profile picture of the author vanillawoods
                      Reading all the posts here, the fact that shipment from China can result in less than quality products, Amazon can shut you down in a moments notice for anything including infringement issues.

                      Most of their students don't succeed, they never reveal their true success number, only the badge system where you can see the top earners.

                      there is a couple of dudes doing -

                      500,000 a month, then a few doing 100,000 a month, then several at 50,000 a month, then 20 then 10 so when you add these few members together they account for most of the 7.8 million dollars their members are producing which may include the dollars the owners are making each month.

                      So what about the other 1500 members how much are they making?

                      Looks like 1-2 hundred members are making the bulk of the money. The other 1500 are making near nothing. I see those who are diligent, select the right products, and keep working at it make some money.

                      However at $4,000 I decided to go with Jim Cockrum's system for $249.

                      That leave $3600 to invest in actual items to sell.

                      Jim's reputation is impeccable, his success is just as good or better than ASM so it makes sense to me.
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                      • Profile picture of the author SamOne
                        there is a couple of dudes doing -
                        Originally Posted by vanillawoods View Post

                        500,000 a month, then a few doing 100,000 a month, then several at 50,000 a month, then 20 then 10 so when you add these few members together they account for most of the 7.8 million dollars their members are producing which may include the dollars the owners are making each month.

                        In their defence; that sounds like everything in life.. it's called the 80/20 principle.. 80% of the results comes from 20% of the work.. 80% of something comes from 20% of something... such is life.
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                        • Profile picture of the author brunski57
                          Originally Posted by SamOne View Post

                          there is a couple of dudes doing -



                          In their defence; that sounds like everything in life.. it's called the 80/20 principle.. 80% of the results comes from 20% of the work.. 80% of something comes from 20% of something... such is life.
                          Absolutely... the real question is whether the program is flawed or are the people who buy the program flawed??
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                          • Profile picture of the author ZanyZebra
                            Originally Posted by brunski57 View Post

                            Absolutely... the real question is whether the program is flawed or are the people who buy the program flawed??
                            I think that most people would definately say that the program is not flawed. Quite the opposite. There's now an overwhelming amount of evidence showing the sheer volume of people now making very significant incomes with ASM. And, the latest version of ASM5, which is out now for a brief time, has been redone to make it even more effective.

                            So remains the second part of your proposition. Are people flawed. The answer to this is yes. Sometimes.

                            However, in my experience, only a small minority do not go onto big things with ASM. I know this because i've personally coached a significant number of new ASMers through the whole process (when they arrive inside ASM). In my coaching I can say that approximately 15% or so have not gotten off the ground properly (at least not yet). This can happen for a very large number of reasons (too long to list here).

                            So the fact is that the program is absolutely not flawed (but not absolutely perfect either) but there are a few people who have difficulty making it work. For the majority though it is the most significant thing they have ever done online or in business generally.

                            Hope this helps. If you want to discuss anything further, or need any more info, then just message me and i'll be happy to help if i can.
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                  • Profile picture of the author vanillawoods
                    Originally Posted by vanillawoods View Post

                    Waiting for a refund for 2 days now for ASM, no response...

                    It's been 3 days now without a response…Silly
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                    • Profile picture of the author vanillawoods
                      They contacted me today, refunded granted 7-14 days? I've never waited that long lol Buying Jim's course now I couldn't be happier with the results…Thanks ASM.
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                        Originally Posted by vanillawoods View Post

                        They contacted me today, refunded granted 7-14 days? I've never waited that long lol Buying Jim's course now I couldn't be happier with the results…Thanks ASM.
                        All the best

                        Keep us updated on your journey..
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          • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Then quit consuming / using anything as you will always risk to use something that's been produced by kids or people that work in bad conditions.

            Besides that you're exaggarating big time.

            When I worked in a chemical factory in THE NETHERLANDS, we also weren't allowed to go outside at night, so also locked up. Did we ever felt locked up? Not at all.
            No I wasn't exaggerating, and I do avoid buying anything produced in China; I'm not perfect and don't always check every product, or ingredient, but that is no reason to throw up my hands and say it isn't worth paying attention or bringing it up when the topic arises.

            It is hard for me to fathom why anyone would argue in favor of supporting human rights abusers, and equally hard to imagine anyone in the modern world with an internet connection, being unaware of China's well known record as one of the worst, and the fact that their abuses include child labor and forced labor (slavery).

            I don't know about the Netherlands, but are you saying you were literally locked in the factory? It is one thing to be told to get to work while you are on the clock, and an entirely different thing to be literally locked in factories, or required to wait for hours when you need to go to the bathroom. Are you unaware that tragedies occur as a result of literally locking people in factories in order to squeeze more work out of them? Many people have unnecessarily burned alive as a result of the unconscionable practice. How would you feel if you lost loved ones that way? I doubt you'd be defending the practice then.

            I am speaking literally; whether slaves "feels" like a slaves, or tell themselves they are free, they still are slaves. If you are locked into a factory, you are locked in; it is a fact, not a "feeling".
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            • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
              Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

              Many people have unnecessarily burned alive as a result of the unconscionable practice. How would you feel if you lost loved ones that way? I doubt you'd be defending the practice then.
              This reminds me of newsletter I have got from fighters against slavery about tradegy in clothing factory (Bangladesh I think) where people worked under unsafe workign conditions and when fire started they could not get out... Big brands were accused of this by not assuring safe working conditions from factories they source from and there was petition voted by many to bring message to big brands.

              Darn it man! 1 person refusing from buying China-made products and importing from China is not enough to make changes. We must act collectively and I am just a very small fraction affecting the situation. I could forget about being entrepreneur in this sector and keep on with my day job, doing what I don't like to do and hate my life without growing and enlightening myself with free time that this business would allowed me until I am old but how 1 person would help fight slavery?
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              • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

                This reminds me of newsletter I have got from fighters against slavery about tradegy in clothing factory (Bangladesh I think) where people worked under unsafe workign conditions and when fire started they could not get out... Big brands were accused of this by not assuring safe working conditions from factories they source from and there was petition voted by many to bring message to big brands.

                Darn it man! 1 person refusing from buying China-made products and importing from China is not enough to make changes. We must act collectively and I am just a very small fraction affecting the situation. I could forget about being entrepreneur in this sector and keep on with my day job, doing what I don't like to do and hate my life without growing and enlightening myself with free time that this business would allowed me until I am old but how 1 person would help fight slavery?
                There is something quite simple that all importers from China can do to avoid buying from sources that take unfair advantage of employees or even worse, employ under age, indentured, or slave labor.

                I teach safe sourcing and among the things I do is advise people to avoid the big popular websites. A very important factor is that two of the sites that I recommend instead of the big sites have supplier assessment processes that include not only verification of their manufacturing capability, but also verification of social compliance.

                This means that they satisfy the strictest rules regarding employees' ages and working conditions, as well as social responsibilities.

                During my many visits to China since I started exporting there in 1978, I have seen great improvements in working conditions. I have visited numerous factories and examined their manufacturing processes.

                When I began importing in 1987, conditions in the factories operated by most of my suppliers were on a par with conditions I had observed in other countries such as USA, Australia, and the UK. A few had some way to go to catch up.

                Now, when I visit those socially responsible manufacturers they have premises that look more like pharmaceutical factories than industrial premises. The industrial processes that generate dust no longer show signs of that dust on the floors. Cleanliness is almost clinical. Workers have plenty of room. Floors have line markings to separate production areas from forklift and trolley traffic areas so risk of injury is very small.

                Some of these improvements are a direct result of Government regulations, but others are a result of a pragmatic decision to satisfy western buyers. In either case the outcome is good for the workers.

                While it is a sad fact that China ranks as the 84th worst country for slavery I know that my importing students can be confident that they are dealing with manufacturers whose practices are as fair as those in any western countries. I can sleep with a clear conscience and I am sure so can my students who follow my system.
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              • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
                Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

                This reminds me of newsletter I have got from fighters against slavery about tradegy in clothing factory (Bangladesh I think) where people worked under unsafe workign conditions and when fire started they could not get out... Big brands were accused of this by not assuring safe working conditions from factories they source from and there was petition voted by many to bring message to big brands.

                Darn it man! 1 person refusing from buying China-made products and importing from China is not enough to make changes. We must act collectively and I am just a very small fraction affecting the situation. I could forget about being entrepreneur in this sector and keep on with my day job, doing what I don't like to do and hate my life without growing and enlightening myself with free time that this business would allowed me until I am old but how 1 person would help fight slavery?
                One person makes little difference without organizing. With organizing, it is possible to transform the world. There isn't just one person boycotting Chinese goods; it is a world wide movement.

                I understand your frustration, but there are many many ways to be an entrepreneur without importing products from child and slave labor. I appreciate that you are engaging with the issue.
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          Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

          I'm not trying to picprofiting but your post reminded me of a fact I found a little disturbing; I thought most people in the US were well aware of China's horrible human rights record, and the fact that because of it, they have been boycotted for years, but with no change in policy. And yet, in many conversations among marketers about importing, when China comes up, I have never seen one marketer say one word about it.

          I suggest if you would not own a slave yourself, that you avoid trading with states that use slave labor. The reason for bargain basement prices from some places isn't always pretty, and ought to disturb people who want to make money only if it isn't off the backs of political prisoners, children, and other sweat shop labor.
          I feel this might be a deal breaker for me although I buy occasionally stuff from China as a consumer.
          But here I will be more like encouraging it for profiting off of slavery.
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  • Profile picture of the author ScrooG
    I got on an email list from someone promoting this and he claims he's making $50k/month with it.
    I had no idea what it was so I came here to see if I could find out more about it. Glad I did. Thanks, as usual to the Warriors who give some inside info on a launch like this.

    I had no idea it costs $4k and now that I know I'm definitely not interested.

    $4k to invest in a business is fine if you know it's legit and will very likely work. But not really okay when it's from an Internet Marketer who is looking for a $2k payday for each person he gets to sign up. I actually trusted this person who sent me the emails about this but now I'm going to get off his list.

    Why? Because I can see from the comments here that this is a risky business. I can see that one could easily spend $4k+ and end up losing money plus be driven mad with all kinds of headaches. I have had some small experience with China and it wasn't good.

    Will this work for some people? Probably will. Will a lot of people invest money in it and either lose that money or struggle like hell to even break even? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that a lot of people will.

    I think the main thing is that it's a very slick marketing campaign with a $4k cost and a $2k commission for each sale. Like someone said above, that tells you a LOT about what is going on here.

    No thanks, I won't even bother to watch the videos or read the pdf's thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author tadco
    It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
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      Originally Posted by tadco View Post

      Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
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      Originally Posted by tadco View Post

      It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
      Will give Jim's course a go!
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        Originally Posted by Jacomara View Post

        Will give Jim's course a go!
        Welcome aboard - with the new ProvenPrivateLabel course due to roll out to our PAC audience soon, you'll have all you need in order to do great on Amazon from every possible angle. We have over 8,000 in our community now and so many great success stories! Glad you are joining us.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrLeisureUK
    Been getting approx 3-5 emails a day from marketers marketing this new launch. after reading this post from top to bottom it is clear to me its over priced and very hypey indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author dominodivine
    Its very funny the people who have chimed in positively is people who have no track record in the forum. The way I see it there is a sucker born everyday and if you buy the course .... "THEN GUESS WHAT YOU ARE THE SUCKER FOR THAT DAY"... I remember the times when there was testimonials of people who took the courses and said they actually made money.

    Now it is the norm to forget about testimonials of students who went through the course and have made some money with the course.

    It is the norm for the product creator to talk about his success and his wealth ... but any good program or teacher would have some success students to validate them.

    Guys stop buying products because it is good information ... If you cant take a product and beginning taking action right away then DONT BUY IT.

    Originally Posted by tadco View Post

    It's not worth the $$$ - Jim Cockrum has a better course....he occasionally has it discounted to $99....I bought the Amazing Selling Machine....was NOT what I needed - got a refund....bought Jim's and have grown my business to about $2,000 (take home) per month part time.....
    Yes if you really looking to get into this business and some real hand holding .. I agree get Jim Cockrum course ... Its called "PROVEN Amazon Course" You want to be able to make money ... Please stop buying shiny object ... Just learn to make $5 dollars consistently .... And watch who you follow .

    Oh I highlighted proven because ... its been proven by other STUDENTS
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    • Profile picture of the author jkatzenback
      Not wanting to get into things here but really? Oh I know I opened a can of worms but you like slamming things you have no clue about?

      Its fine if it is not for you but your comment on a sucker... really? dominodivine you have any experience with the material... doesn't look like it so how can you have such an aggressive opinion?

      Pretty pathetic how you shoot anyone that says positive and only validate because of forum thread count.

      Oh and your comment about proven... huh??? Sounds like you are not wanting to listen to the proof that has been shared but that is fine.

      And as a matter of fact, the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.

      I am ok with opinions, but do we really need to be insulting to people, especially when when being hypocritical about someone who does share?

      So if I call the person that refunded a sucker because the people that stuck through it are killing it, would that be a cool thing to do? No... if something is not for someone fine, but why take stances like this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Anton
    Matt and Jason have great reputations. I do not vouch for the product because I haven't tried it (never recommend something I don't personally try unlike other affiliates).

    However, just because something is "expensive" which is a relative term, doesn't mean there isn't tremendous value in their teachings; if a $10k investment gave a chance of yielding a lifelong ecommerce business, most "rich" or financially secure people would jump on it. Let's face it, Amazon is the now and future of commerce.

    I discovered the content through WP Zon (which is a fantastic wp plugin). I felt the initial 3 videos were eye-opening to some possibilities, and I'm sure the members area holds your hand through the process. I simply don't have the time and motivation to begin a completely new business model, but that doesn't give me the right to bash them for selling information and expertise into one of the most competitive and lucrative markets in the world - selling physical products.

    Faint heart never won fair lady, and sour grapes are good expressions that apply to this thread. Yes, buyer beware is one of them but don't read something and say AH HA! I knew it wasn't good, or I knew it wasn't bad. That's like a republican watching Fox to validate his views, or a democrat watching CNN. If you look for something you're going to find it...but what you won't find is the potential to make more money and add more value to others lives.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
    nvsjr - congrats on your first post!

    You're right some won't make it. Most that have provided their thoughts on this post and the other in this forum don't even sell a private labeled product on Amazon.

    It's good to hear that you were able to take the plunge and I hope it works out for you. Not sure if you saw my review I created about ASM. I was part of the group in March.

    I posted it in this thread before with a few other comments, but all the posts I created are gone on this thread. Very odd.

    If you click on the YouTube badge under my name you'll see the review video about Amazing Selling Machine review and my 8 simple & complete step-by-step to getting started selling on Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotusdragon
    Thank you everyone for all your helpful insights.
    On the positive ~
    The course is very thorough from what I've seen of it
    I quite liked the main guy and he did say it needs be a worthy product.
    Some folk will succeed
    (less than 20% by my estimates from available stats)
    Those who do have the right mindset and abilities to keep on keeping on through the many hurdles combined with luck.
    They also need to not be effected by the high cost that may not ever be returned.

    Then there is Average Jo who most of us are and we needs be very honest with ourselves
    on whether we have all the qualities needed and can afford to gamble with such a large amount.

    As many diligent folk have not even recouped their outlay after 8 mths and they only have access to the tools for 12 mths
    then no doubt would have to pay another astronomical cost to keep using them.

    Why? when 4,000 members x $4,000 = $16,000,000
    (not bad for a few mths work, much more than most even at the very top will make in that time )

    Up to half goes out to affiliates (so they do not have an incentive to see this clearly)

    I have been a member for a month and here is why I am going to leave,
    I've recently done due diligence off site including here
    this was delayed because I trusted the biz savvy person who recommended it without an affiliate link.

    However it was firstly because of what I observed on the site,
    as it is set up to only show the top 25 out of original 2,000 plus

    the FTC is very clear that you can NOT personally share the results of students unless you can give 100% of what the average of everyone is.


    The Badge system is a very, very clever way to get around this as they can get past not showing the average via it
    and everyone is encouraged to become a sort of cheerleader,
    eventually a mentor basing their encouragement on look at all my/the badges.
    There is no way to see the real stats on those badges.

    Everything on the site was aimed at one seeing the top stats
    and mutual confidence boosting
    I asked for the average stats on the site and was not answered.

    That badge system is very clever.
    It also binds you into their site system
    (and to Amazon, which if you have the view of many re the Bismuth company steam rolling over the little community based biz
    and making money from abusive porn, is not so good to feel bound to, to recoup your outlay.
    They are not an ethical company)


    I found a way to get around my concerns about Amazon by designing more ethical greener versions to find white label for
    OR have manufactured and I would have liked to have started a trend that way.
    I can not source and test that in the too short trial time frame.

    There are many March people still not made their money back
    they only have a years lease on using the software so 4 mnths left
    else they are on their own or paying again.

    The concept may well work but from the stats I could find
    There is a thread on member achievement
    149 topics some by the same people
    many of them for minor achievements
    All adds up to only a few will recover their outlay let alone make money via this course.

    The course itself is well done and thorough from what i saw, if you do not mind being bound into them and their cheerleading system via their moral boosting, boasting badges.

    Although i quite liked the main guy, the emotional manipulation stood out to me.
    Great for motivation,
    not so good for discernment, assessing the stats needed to base sound biz decisions on.

    Basically most do not have all they need to succeed in this as it takes a certain temperament and energy to persist until it works.

    I'd share more on the stats I found, however I am needing to put myself to escaping this in time ( by the 16th was the date I was given though I see others say a month past date of buying it)
    and hope this helps some who need to see it
    Look to all you have in written form for your bank, if they needs open a dispute. If your affiliate has misled you on that
    well my bank seemed to think that was important ie they probably become who it's claimed from.

    I have explained the situation to my bank
    after requesting a refund via the affiliate
    I was eventually given a link to do it from.

    I do wonder if this is going so well for themselves in the biz model they promote, why they needs ask so much for it
    It's the same story as usual~ Blind Greed and that is one of our emotions they play with,
    though the desperate in need of hope is the one that seems most prevalent and the folks who will get most hurt from this.

    Keep vigilant, google search ... is a scam whenever the stakes are this high

    If you need links including to refund leave a message here

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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      I looked up this thread as well as anything else I could find on ASM because someone looking at my book asked me about ASM.

      A WSO offering the program appeared on WF a few days ago, so I also read the sales page for that.

      One thing that sticks out in all the advertising for this system is that turnover figures are quoted, but no profit figures. High turnover benefits Amazon, and gives employment to their staff, but how much does it add to your bank balance? I suppose being able to quote those big numbers might boost your ego (and maybe your affiliate sales,) but you can’t bank ego.

      Private labeling is no big deal. There seems to be a sudden discovery that private labeling is possible. In my importing business that I started in 1987, a big % of the products we sold were private labelled. After I franchised the business I had a large number of franchisees who expected an absolute minimum 250% margin. My system delivered and still does, even though I am no longer involved, having been forced to retire.

      Locating genuine manufacturers is no big deal once you know where to look. You will have great trouble locating them if you go to the popular websites such as Alibaba, Aliexpress, madeinchina.com, tradekey, DHgate, EC21, globalsources, etc. There are a few sourcing sites where you will find genuine manufacturers.

      I don’t publish those names online because there is a lot more to importing than just finding suppliers. When it is possible to register domain names very similar to ones that are well known, you need to know the ropes to distinguish between a trustworthy site and another one with the same name that I would not touch with a barge pole when the only difference is hyphens.
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    is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
        Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

        Correct, I have a bonus that builds on the ASM coursework that specifically steers them to sell supplements instead of dealing with the whole "china dance"
        @Greg Jacobs - There is nothing wrong with China and the Chinese are people as well. They work very hard for your business. That is were the opportunity is at since so many worried about rumors.

        People overseas are not all evil doers

        Originally Posted by srbgal View Post

        Yup! They just relaunched this morning. I was excited until I heard the price.... and then read these comments.... Running away too!
        @SRbgal - Join my on my hangout tonight. I have a option for those what will allow them to invest more into their product and marketing to kick the butts of those that join ASM.
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          Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

          @Greg Jacobs - There is nothing wrong with China and the Chinese are people as well. They work very hard for your business. That is were the opportunity is at since so many worried about rumors.

          People overseas are not all evil doers
          hehe, yes agreed, but in the same note, out of all the people and customers that I know that joined ASM in March of 2013, the vast majority of the success cases just "happened" to be doing supplements.. coincidence?
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            Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs View Post

            hehe, yes agreed, but in the same note, out of all the people and customers that I know that joined ASM in March of 2013, the vast majority of the success cases just "happened" to be doing supplements.. coincidence?
            @Greg Jacobs - I know a lot that are having success with either supplements and non supplement items.
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          Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

          @Greg Jacobs - There is nothing wrong with China and the Chinese are people as well. They work very hard for your business. That is were the opportunity is at since so many worried about rumors.

          People overseas are not all evil doers
          I have 22 years experience in importing from China and it has been all good.

          BUT......

          I would never buy supplements, food products, or cosmetics from China.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
        Originally Posted by Mamalisa View Post


        The reason I'm posting is to let you know of a hidden risk which isn't mentioned anywhere, "Getting suspended from Amazon". Get permanently suspended and your Amazon business is over.

        I'm SO sorry to hear this happened to you. It's entirely out of your control and random. Stick with it - I hope you get things resolved. It stinks that sites like eBay, Google, Amazon, Youtube etc. have the ability to pull the plug on anyone anytime.

        For your sake and for others, this is a big reason why we teach multiple strategies for staying within Amazon's policies, but establishing multiple independent Amazon accounts. We have an entire module on it actually. It's the only way to truly diversify on Amazon.

        In a nutshell, you do this by approaching businesses that have a brand that IS NOT yet on Amazon. You help them get set up and you keep a percent of every sale. We have people in our community with dozens of accounts. There are several nuances to this business that I can't possibly go into in a single post, but please know that there ARE options for protecting yourself from suspension while staying FULLY within Amazon's policies - and only we include that sort of teaching within our Amazon training.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
            Originally Posted by bigtyivier2k2 View Post

            what do you mean Amazon won't let you grow a customer list? You can see your customer list in the reports section.
            Try contacting those customers for follow up sales and you'll quickly see exactly what I mean! It's a very fast way to lose your Amazon account and get your funds frozen. Anyone teaching you to grow a customer list from those leads is irresponsible based on the current Amazon TOS.
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            • Profile picture of the author bigtyivier2k2
              Originally Posted by Jim Cockrum View Post

              Try contacting those customers for follow up sales and you'll quickly see exactly what I mean! It's a very fast way to lose your Amazon account and get your funds frozen. Anyone teaching you to grow a customer list from those leads is irresponsible based on the current Amazon TOS.
              You can however follow up with your customers to ask them to leave a review if they are satisfied with the product. I don't think you can get banned for that.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
                Originally Posted by bigtyivier2k2 View Post

                You can however follow up with your customers to ask them to leave a review if they are satisfied with the product. I don't think you can get banned for that.
                You are correct- that is one of the few allowed activities between buyer and seller. Here's the full policy:

                Amazon.com Help: Prohibited Seller Activities and Actions
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          • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
            Originally Posted by bigtyivier2k2 View Post

            what do you mean Amazon won't let you grow a customer list? You can see your customer list in the reports section.
            You can't contact Amazon customers for anything outside of the transaction:

            https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=200414320

            You have far more to gain on Amazon by selling a good product, following up for the review, and then expanding into other products. I would not mess around with marketing to existing customers through Amazon's email system. Amazon gives each order a unique email address in order for you to communicate. It would be a total red flag if you kept in contact with the customer using that.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
                Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

                ASM is reasonably simple. It's just not particularly easy.

                There are obstacles to overcome. Patience is required. As is resilience. In fact, those who buy ASM need to think about ASM in a completely different way.

                What do I mean? Anyone who goes into ASM3 and thinks they are taking an 8 week training and then the world magically becomes a different place, is fooling themselves.

                Probably the single most important thing to 'get' is that ASM is not a course.

                I know it looks like a course. I know it's being marketed as a course. I know you think you're buying a course. But, take it from me, what it really is is learning to create a long-term, sustainable, business.

                Anyone looking to jump on the latest internet marketing bandwagon and make a quick buck should NOT buy ASM. Nor should anyone who 'gives up' easily.

                On the other hand, those who are looking to create a real, sustainable, long term, online business should consider it very seriously.


                As mentioned in previous posts, anyone who has ASM questions can get to me through the link under the visitor messages tab my profile.
                Well it looks like ZanyZebra got banned for shilling the ASM course I guess.

                Just to touch on what he said, I don't really see how anyone can consider selling on Amazon to be a real business. You are WAY more vulnerable selling on Amazon as opposed to running an e-commerce site in the mid-2000's relying on free google traffic. At least with your own website, you are the one with the prospect/customer list. There are so many things that can happen to you....lose your amazon account or sell enough to where someone else notices and undercuts you.

                You should be cautiously optimistic when you sell on Amazon. The upside of selling there is that it gives you the volume to be able to get nice discounts on products that you can sell for more margin elsewhere or wholesale to other people.

                Trust me guys, the opportunity is real! If you understand the opportunity, then you're already 99% of the way there. You're being sold a bunch of useless extras to pump the price and create value.
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      • Profile picture of the author mikep791
        Originally Posted by Mamalisa View Post

        I heard the "Amazing Selling Machine" pitch in November last year, and decided to dive into selling on Amazon by ourselves without ordering the course.

        Late January of this year we got online. The first month wasn't much. We regrouped; and the second month things took off like gang busters. We did a little under $10,000 and achieved a 100% selling satisfaction rating ...This was all from using the information we gleaned from the pitch for the "Amazing Selling Machine" course, not the course itself.

        The reason I'm posting is to let you know of a hidden risk which isn't mentioned anywhere, "Getting suspended from Amazon". Get permanently suspended and your Amazon business is over. After doing so well, the second month online, we received a notice from Amazon that they were doing a velocity check on our account because of the sudden surge in sales; meanwhile, they would be holding the funds. I was't alarmed figuring they probably want to make sure we are good with customer service and so forth. So we kept on selling and shipping product assuming they would do whatever they needed to do, and we would get paid a little late, no biggie.

        Then they cleared us, and we thought we would get paid the following pay period. At that point, we added some more products. Then right before payday, we got a suspension notice saying one of the new products we were selling might be counterfeit. Amazon needed us to file an appeal with proof that the item was legit; meanwhile all the funds they owed us would be frozen. Horrified that maybe our supplier had sold us something fake, I looked up the product ASIN number; and it was on something we hadn't even sold yet (only listed).

        So we went ahead and filed an appeal with proof of authenticity which we were able to get from the supplier. Meanwhile while Amazon was investigating the situation, we lost our selling privileges, so sales went to zero. It took just a little over a month to hear back from Amazon that they had completed their investigation, and we were cleared to continue. Our money was to be released the next pay period.

        Happy days again! Then right before pay day, we get the same violation for the same product that we didn't relist, had never sold in the first place, and on which we had already been investigated and cleared of any violation.

        Today we filed another appeal and are waiting. Meanwhile, we they are holding are money again, and looks like we won't get paid this next pay period either. We are out the money that we spent on inventory, etc. I'm really mystified with Amazon ...All this stuff gets done through email, you cannot talk to anyone.

        I've done some online searches since this fiasco started, and found we're not alone ---This same sort of thing has happened to many other small business and folks that were suddenly and inexplicably kicked off Amazon.

        The lesson we learned from this is one must use Amazon as a tool in a large marketing tool-chest. It's very risky to build a business which is solely dependent upon selling through their system.

        I would caution anyone who is starting on a shoestring to be careful to not over extend yourself to buy the course because the Amazon model is not as secure as the course makes it appear (Maybe that risk is covered in the course, I don't know). Anyway, please be aware that you can get booted off Amazon through no fault of your own. I wouldn't have believed it had it not happened to us.

        Thanks for letting me share my story with you. Being that we just refiled the second appeal today, feelings are a little raw.:confused:

        Thanks for you post Mamalisa, I hope things work out for you. This is really sad but this sort of thing is going to increase.

        I have been in this realm from the very early days of Google Adwords where you could advertise most anything doing PPC. Over the years the Adwords money making courses started proliferating like weeds and Google caught on. They started fighting back at affiliate marketers and destroyed countless businesses by shutting them down. In many cases no reason was given just poof your banned. You could not talk to anyone at Google who could help just email only (sound familiar?).

        Here we are today with another opportunity and we are starting to see the same thing with Amazon. The courses being mass advertised at as many people as possible bring out the scammers, cheaters and hackers that will try to game the system. Unfortunately we all suffer because they will begin cracking down. Many of us will be innocent collateral damage.

        Do you really think they are not paying attention?

        My advice is to play by the rules and don't try any tricks and software gimmicks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Hannu
          Originally Posted by mikep791 View Post

          Thanks for you post Mamalisa, I hope things work out for you. This is really sad but this sort of thing is going to increase.

          I have been in this realm from the very early days of Google Adwords where you could advertise most anything doing PPC. Over the years the Adwords money making courses started proliferating like weeds and Google caught on. They started fighting back at affiliate marketers and destroyed countless businesses by shutting them down. In many cases no reason was given just poof your banned. You could not talk to anyone at Google who could help just email only (sound familiar?).

          Here we are today with another opportunity and we are starting to see the same thing with Amazon. The courses being mass advertised at as many people as possible bring out the scammers, cheaters and hackers that will try to game the system. Unfortunately we all suffer because they will begin cracking down. Many of us will be innocent collateral damage.

          Do you really think they are not paying attention?

          My advice is to play by the rules and don't try any tricks and software gimmicks.
          I agree with you about Google, and it's sad if the same is happening with Amazon.
          Few years ago I had my Adwords account suspended. I copied content, re-wrote it to be my own unique text, and suddenly got an email from Google my account will be suspended if I don't remove 2 words: "quick cash"(stupid me).
          I change the content a bit and removed that part, and replied to Google the change is done, and got a reply that they've checked the content and it is violating their policy and suspended my account. I asked what's the problem now, but never got any answer even I asked few times. At the same time I was going to quit IM anyway. I'm not a writer and should produce more unique content on going to get organic traffic, and also my english is not the best(not ideal flow of my writing in english), so I was thinking it's not a big problem to be suspended.

          It seems the employees of Google gives a s**t if you get suspended. I think they will get paid the same salary are you paying for Google ads or not.
          If I was the owner of business such as Google Adwords, I would make sure my employees will make everything to help the customer to clean the violating content to keep them happy and pay for ads as much as possible.

          I'm not sure is the leader board aware of what's happening on "ground floor", or are they same kind of "Gestapos" as the employees?

          After few years brake I have now had couple of years a local(finnish) online shop selling physical products and also selling products on couple of local auction sites. To the online shop I get products from local importing companies, EU, and one product range from China. To auction sites I'm importing from EU, but searching for suppliers or manufacturers from China.

          I was planning to start to sell products on Amazon, so it's sad the same suspension issue is on there, too.

          Does anyone know is there a possibility to get your product pre-checked by Amazon on before hand to avoid such problems as Mamalisa had?

          How I understood, Mamalisa thinks they played by the rules, but still got suspended. And if that's the case, why don't Amazon guide the seller in such situations to get the seller and the product approved?
          What do Amazon achieve by acting like this? I think nobody wins, both just losing money.

          By the way, I'm going to ask Google to approve my account again, because I don't even own the violating domain anymore. Interesting to see what's the answer...:rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
          Originally Posted by Mamalisa View Post

          The lesson we learned from this is one must use Amazon as a tool in a large marketing tool-chest. It's very risky to build a business which is solely dependent upon selling through their system.

          I would caution anyone who is starting on a shoestring to be careful to not over extend yourself to buy the course because the Amazon model is not as secure as the course makes it appear (Maybe that risk is covered in the course, I don't know). Anyway, please be aware that you can get booted off Amazon through no fault of your own. I wouldn't have believed it had it not happened to us.

          Thanks for letting me share my story with you. Being that we just refiled the second appeal today, feelings are a little raw.:confused:
          Originally Posted by mikep791 View Post

          I have been in this realm from the very early days of Google Adwords where you could advertise most anything doing PPC. Over the years the Adwords money making courses started proliferating like weeds and Google caught on. They started fighting back at affiliate marketers and destroyed countless businesses by shutting them down. In many cases no reason was given just poof your banned. You could not talk to anyone at Google who could help just email only (sound familiar?).

          Here we are today with another opportunity and we are starting to see the same thing with Amazon. The courses being mass advertised at as many people as possible bring out the scammers, cheaters and hackers that will try to game the system. Unfortunately we all suffer because they will begin cracking down. Many of us will be innocent collateral damage.
          Do you people see that it's not the market saturation we have to worry about but stability of our Amazon FBA accounts? As with Google SEO and AdWords, history tends to repeat itself in IM space. As soon as there's massive influx of people, some with good intentions and sadly some to abuse system for shortcutting their way to success, collateral damage is caused. New rules are enforced, policies get stricter and less attention is given to appeals of sellers that soon get associated with those in IM space.

          This Amazon opportunity is a ticking timebomb and probably there is no better time to get in than now before "it hits the fan" OR we should wait and see how Amazon reacts after dust settles. Let's hope it will treat us better than Google did. However I don't have much hope.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eoon
      Anybody with any experience in marketing online can recognize fluff in a pitch presented as substance.

      While I was listening to their pitch, I was looking for things that I could not learn and research on by myself. As they were talking I could recognize what the information might actually be. For example - do you really think that they have an "amazing secret on how to name your product for sales". Coooome on :rolleyes:

      And how to design, brand your product and what images to use, I am guessing also fluff. It would be a more serious offer if they hadn't used so many "amazing secrets" in the pitch. Common sense will tell you that, once branded, get a sample and use a professional photographer to make the atmosphere in the photos that will make the product more buy-able.

      One thing that I couldn't pin down is what they might be talking about when they talk about getting 5 star reviews. So, please, some of you that got it, can you just give an idea of what they might be proposing here. If it's getting your friends to write reviews or paying for reviews, then the ASM is just another build up on what could be compressed in a 100 page PDF that I would buy if it was 47 bucks.

      My gut feeling is that this product is for the people with enough money to splurge and that mindset that if you pay that much for something, then you are more likely to take action.

      Anyway, I am very curious on how they propose you get the 5 star reviews...

      Thanks in advance...
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbean
      Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

      is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
      I have seen several videos for a relaunch, I think it is coming to an end soon.

      I watched all the training videos 6 months ago when it last launched and got quite excited about the opportunity.

      Based on the free videos, I did dome initial research, particularly in the cost of sourcing samples and shipping products. I picked a few products and done some rudimentary ROI calculations and decided at the time it is not within my budget to take advantage of this opportunity.

      It certainly sounds like a great opportunity if you have the time and cash to invest, I will stick to building my list for now and perhaps I will be ready next time it launches.

      If you are going to join then check around as some marketers are offering some good bonuses if you sign up through them.

      I wish you all the best whatever you decide to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author ZanyZebra
        Originally Posted by jimbean View Post

        I have seen several videos for a relaunch, I think it is coming to an end soon.

        I watched all the training videos 6 months ago when it last launched and got quite excited about the opportunity.

        Based on the free videos, I did dome initial research, particularly in the cost of sourcing samples and shipping products. I picked a few products and done some rudimentary ROI calculations and decided at the time it is not within my budget to take advantage of this opportunity.

        It certainly sounds like a great opportunity if you have the time and cash to invest, I will stick to building my list for now and perhaps I will be ready next time it launches.

        If you are going to join then check around as some marketers are offering some good bonuses if you sign up through them.

        I wish you all the best whatever you decide to do.
        Jim, you are right to gage as much as you can from the launch videos. The new launch of ASM5 has begun, do exactly the same and make your decision based up this and your 'gut' feel.

        The only thing i disagree with is the comment about some offering bonuses to sign up. I can state categorically that these 'bonuses' are not needed. In fact for the most part they are a distraction from spending the correct time and effort on the fundamentals of ASM

        Everything, and i do meant everything, that is needed is already inside the training. The training materials are expensive (ie costly) but absolute value (ie cost related to income gained).

        It is far better to get coached through ASM as a beginner than get distracted by 'bonuses' that simply aren't required. The problem is that most don't know this and think the 'bonuses' are of value.

        In any case, good luck in making your decision this time around. If you need any information to think about, or questions, simply message me. I'll give you no BS answers to your straight questions.

        Good luck.
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          Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

          Jim, you are right to gage as much as you can from the launch videos. The new launch of ASM5 has begun, do exactly the same and make your decision based up this and your 'gut' feel.

          The only thing i disagree with is the comment about some offering bonuses to sign up. I can state categorically that these 'bonuses' are not needed. In fact for the most part they are a distraction from spending the correct time and effort on the fundamentals of ASM

          Everything, and i do meant everything, that is needed is already inside the training. The training materials are expensive (ie costly) but absolute value (ie cost related to income gained).

          It is far better to get coached through ASM as a beginner than get distracted by 'bonuses' that simply aren't required. The problem is that most don't know this and think the 'bonuses' are of value.

          In any case, good luck in making your decision this time around. If you need any information to think about, or questions, simply message me. I'll give you no BS answers to your straight questions.

          Good luck.
          i disagree, when you see what bonuses our team are offering the rest of them are going to be blown away. Bonuses not only include things like free dinners or pdf documents nowadays we see a bigger need for better resources and information plus software and webinars as extras to give a more personal look and feel as more as guidance than anything. i know when i joined i didn't get the kind of bonuses on offer now and i certainly wish i had some of the software on offer.
          the extra webinars we offer are really helpful and i know for a fact that everyone i signed up last time said the webinars gave them more clarity and guidance as to how things really worked. however the training has now been upgraded as our leader in our mastermind is one of the trainers for ASM which is why i believe having a mastermind to jump into once you have signed is far better
          i compare this to one guy in my area that didn't join in a mastermind group and i find my self constantly helping him , if he was in a mastermind he wouldn't need that he also said its been harder not being part of a more private group so the proof is in the pudding really.
          not everyone agrees but i think its the majority rules really that its worthwhile
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  • Profile picture of the author lotusdragon
    JIM COCKRUM pretty please come back and put yours on offer again,
    to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

    Folk just look to the difference in how balanced JIM's attitude is
    to how the smarmy $led vendors and promoters of ASM are.

    They sure changed their tone when I said about leaving
    "You'll never get your dreams any other way" was the fear psychology they laid on me.
    This coming from the ex monk?' Jason's stable, after all the "even if you are only in it 4 weeks, you'll learn a lot from it", intro vid.
    Funny how folk change their tone when they see their $2000 commission slipping away.

    I've been inside ASM and even over qualified folk are working like slaves just to get their investment back.

    Sure the few who succeed can do very well and would be inclined to sing its praises,
    just as the so called mentors on site are trained to do, to keep you there till it's too late.

    The mentors mirror back what the members say on posts as 'encouragement'

    Then there is how hard the next part is just after the 30days is up

    It's set up to lock you into the machine, which was my first alert.
    It is very deceptive, constantly recycling only the very few who do succeed in front of folk. Every success - no failures.
    Which is also what the so called mentor support does, ever so positively encouraging 'look to all the badges' which as they usually have many and respond to every post,
    are very liberally sprinkled absolutely everywhere, giving a very false picture.

    If it were not about parting you from $4000 with a course few are able to succeed in,
    it would be an excellent model in success psychology.

    Then there is the tool that is against Amazon's TOS that again cheats at presenting the figures by putting good reviews at the top whilst disappearing the bad out of sight.

    It's always good to remember this basic 'if a vendor is offering you something to manipulate others, you can be pretty sure they are manipulating you'.
    This is basic common sense, most of the trickery in IM depends on folk being $ blinded.

    There are good lessons to be learnt from this OTT example that will help protect you in IM in general.
    97% fail whilst supporting the luxury of the 3% who succeed
    less than 1% succeed via ethical routes.

    My (due diligence) research showed less than 10% succeed including those highly qualified and hard working.
    A very few others are flukes, more luck than anything else although they may still have to work hard.

    I have had exchanges with folk very well equipped to assess this and it is not good news.

    Also they are aiming at newbies, folk who have no experience of the games of IM.

    The stories from those ordinary good folk who failed and lost everything is heart rending:
    life savings of very old pensioners, just wanting to be able to see their grandkids more. Borrowers of the $4,000 who do not even have a roof over their head, like the woman who adopted 8 kids with learning challenges and raised them to live happy independent lives and has nothing left.

    It's for them, for the many other like them already ruined by this and those others innocently being drawn in now that I am speaking out.

    I did not find out in time to help others escape last time and prevention is better than cure.

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      Originally Posted by lotusdragon View Post

      JIM COCKRUM pretty please come back and put yours on offer again,
      to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

      @Lotusdraggon - thanks for the supportive comments and research.

      Two thoughts (updated Sept 2015):
      The "ProvenAmazonCourse" is priced FAR lower than it should be (and still thousands less than ASM). Lately it's been improved to include new content (such as China sourcing, wholesale sourcing, international selling (HUGE!) a world class Private Label course taught by one of the all time most success full Private Label experts on the planet. We've been updating our course, adding support staff, and giving our all new content we create in this niche for FREE for years. You won't find anyone with a longer term success record teaching how to sell physical product online. We've been leading in this niche since 2002.

      next -
      While I have very strong opinions on some of the issues you've raised, I'm unlikely to enter a public debate over the merits of any given course - especially one that I'm in direct competition with. Because of my conflict of interest here I can't expect strangers (unfamiliar with my reputation) to take my word as truth. I'll let people do their own research (Please do!) and let the many other fans of our work defend what we've built.

      That being said, we do regularly survey ALL of the students of the "Proven Amazon Course" (the one that competes directly with ASM), and the results continue to be simply incredible - we report the survey results on the bottom of the simple sales page for our course. I challenge ANY AND ALL creators of "how to courses" to follow suit and report a full student survey to the world.

      In virtually spontaneous fashion we've sold out three huge events in a single day. Among the attendees, nearly all are using our ideas to succeed online. I'll let the RESULTS and my REPUTATION speak for itself here - I'll not allow myself to get dragged into public debate however.

      We've found that selling private label products is NOT an easy game, but with the proper instruction and approach it is one of several viable models for profiting on Amazon. We teach numerous success strategies in our community - all of which can be done with a good outsource team (you don't have to put tape on boxes to do this business!)

      We are committed to making the PAC course the best in the world at the most reasonable price. I say it's the most up to date, most transparent (we report our student results in a survey right on our sales page), most supported (over 30 paid staff supporting it), most helpful community (13,500+ in our Facebook group), and most comprehensive course in this niche (multiple strategies for success with physical products)...all at an incredibly low price.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Morris
        Guys just to throw my own first hand knowledge about ASM in to the mix here. I am using ASM and it's been the best decision hands down I have made.

        It's so easy to get in to and grow a real business using this system. I have personally helped people build their ASM businesses and it's just fun to see them grow so fast.

        The support and tools you get with ASM is unmatched by any other copy cat program. You just won't find a similar product and support out there.
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    I got some free access (seems like they will be pitching something in soon). Don't know why different products.
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    ASM suggests you can find manufacturers in the U.S. and sell their stuff on Amazon; "it's just a matter of researching the profitable products like shower mirrors." They say manufacturers are not into the business of retail because that's not their business model. I tend to disagree. Manufacturers will sell wholesale to retailers, but they will also sell their own stuff on Amazon as well and usually under sell their retailers.

    Their (ASM) claims simply go against universal business and free market principles. There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices; and deal with the many competitors on Amazon. Just do a test search of any commodity on Amazon, like cell phone cases or even shower mirrors and note the long list of sellers jockeying for your attention. What Amazon is brilliant at doing is forcing down prices. It makes the retail market extremely efficient; prices can change by the hour. There are inventors who put up a product of their own, and the next week a knock off is selling it at half the price, and it's too hard to track them down because they are in Asia and are hard to pin down; not to mention the legal costs, time, energy and stress.

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    • Profile picture of the author SamOne
      So I figured I would chime in here and post on this rather "active" thread...

      I have not purchased ASM, nor am I inclined to. I'm gathering from this thread that the program involves sourcing stock products from overseas, private labelling it with your own brand, shipping it to Amazon, and then selling exclusively on Amazon.com

      This is a wonderful idea, depending of course on a few things.

      1) What is the product you are selling? Is it manufactured in the USA, or overseas? What's the demand like for this product and are a lot of people selling it?

      2) Amazon takes quite the hefty commission on all products sold on their site. So does your product allow a high enough margin in order for this to be worth your time?

      3) Did you know that in order to sell on Amazon.com, you first have to show them that you already have some sort of existing website that you "sell" your products on? I hope they go over that in the course.

      4) Did you also know that if you don't own the brand of whatever product you are selling (ie, reselling someone else's product which is what most people do), then Amazon can easily (and will) go to your supplier, order the same product in bulk at a deep discount, and then undercut you on their site? Thereby effectively rendering your business, well, useless!

      I've been quietly working away on my own website that features a very hot and in demand product. This website is completely automated. It is set to take a customers order, verify that the address is good,charges the payment, sends it to a fulfillment house (automatically) that picks, packs, and ships the product to the customer. I am also selling this same product on Amazon.com ( that's two independent distribution channels). Half of the inventory is in one fulfillment centre, the other half is over at Amazon.

      I am contemplating selling this as a turn-key business to anyone who's very serious about owning, running and profiting from their own automated manufacturing business.

      This is a SINGLE opportunity, I'm not selling the same thing to 100 different people...

      No I will not disclose the product/niche here. If you are interested then PM me and Ill give you the details.
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      • Profile picture of the author ventureprofits
        Originally Posted by SamOne View Post

        So I figured I would chime in here and post on this rather "active" thread...

        I have not purchased ASM, nor am I inclined to. I'm gathering from this thread that the program involves sourcing stock products from overseas, private labelling it with your own brand, shipping it to Amazon, and then selling exclusively on Amazon.com

        This is a wonderful idea, depending of course on a few things.

        1) What is the product you are selling? Is it manufactured in the USA, or overseas? What's the demand like for this product and are a lot of people selling it?

        2) Amazon takes quite the hefty commission on all products sold on their site. So does your product allow a high enough margin in order for this to be worth your time?

        3) Did you know that in order to sell on Amazon.com, you first have to show them that you already have some sort of existing website that you "sell" your products on? I hope they go over that in the course.

        4) Did you also know that if you don't own the brand of whatever product you are selling (ie, reselling someone else's product which is what most people do), then Amazon can easily (and will) go to your supplier, order the same product in bulk at a deep discount, and then undercut you on their site? Thereby effectively rendering your business, well, useless!

        I've been quietly working away on my own website that features a very hot and in demand product. This website is completely automated. It is set to take a customers order, verify that the address is good,charges the payment, sends it to a fulfillment house (automatically) that picks, packs, and ships the product to the customer. I am also selling this same product on Amazon.com ( that's two independent distribution channels). Half of the inventory is in one fulfillment centre, the other half is over at Amazon.

        I am contemplating selling this as a turn-key business to anyone who's very serious about owning, running and profiting from their own automated manufacturing business.

        This is a SINGLE opportunity, I'm not selling the same thing to 100 different people...

        No I will not disclose the product/niche here. If you are interested then PM me and Ill give you the details.

        There have a "machine" that shows top products you can whitelabel etc.

        The whole cause of profit is the fact that you rank your stuff to no. 1 which i have been doing for multiple amazon products. It's an easy way to make money but when 5,000 people jump on one product, you got a big problemo.

        Honestly, if someone here wants to do this but doesn't want to do the SEO, I can get your amazon product to first page without the entire hassle with press releases, high pr sites, and quality backlinks.
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          Originally Posted by lotusdragon View Post

          JIM COCKRUM pretty please come back and put yours on offer again,
          to help save some of the many who will be taken in by this.

          Folk just look to the difference in how balanced JIM's attitude is
          to how the smarmy vendors and promoters of ASM are.

          They sure changed their tone when I said about leaving
          "You'll never get your dreams any other way" was the fear psychology they laid on me.
          This coming from the ex monk?' Jason's stable, after all the "even if you are only in it 4 weeks, you'll learn a lot from it", intro vid.
          Funny how folk change their tone when they see their $2000 commission slipping away.

          I've been inside ASM and even over qualified folk are working like slaves just to get their investment back.

          Sure the few who succeed can do very well and would be inclined to sing its praises,
          just as the so called mentors on site are trained to do, to keep you there till it's too late.

          The mentors mirror back what the members say on posts as 'encouragement'

          Then there is how hard the next part is just after the 30days is up

          It's set up to lock you into the machine, which was my first alert.

          If it were not about parting you from $4000 with a course few are able to succeed in,
          it would be an excellent model in success psychology.

          Then there is the tool that is against Amazon's TOS that again cheats at presenting the figures by putting good reviews at the top whilst disappearing the bad out of sight.

          I did not find out in time to help others escape last time and prevention is better than cure.

          I was going to post this, after getting the video on it!


          $4000!!!!


          Even if l was loaded l wouldn't spent that!


          I would pay a small team of Graphic designers from the Philippines to churn out flyers, etc, for Graphicriver.


          I have already seen positive results with it, with 10 or 20k, a month not being out of reach!


          Seems to be a hell of a lot less risky than this!


          Most things online have a high failure rate, but for this sort of money you would expect a by numbers course showing how to make serious money from this.


          Or a near 100% success rate! :rolleyes:


          With what l am doing, you just need to be persistent, have access to Photoshop and prefibly have a talent, although you could pay someone who has, or just stay with Resume's, etc.


          I wish everyone doing this, success, but l am always amazed that people would spend this amount!



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        • Profile picture of the author SamOne
          Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

          SamOne, i'm sorry I can't let your comments go. It's important that people reading in here have access to accurate information. I'm a member of ASM2, having completely rejected ASM1 because of the hype and hoopla around it. I know what's true and what's untrue in the world of private label selling on amazon:

          Let me take your points one by one:

          • Your point (1) above: Yes, these are basic questions anyone should ask. I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

          • Your point (2) Amazon does not take a hefty commission. Quite the contrary. In most categories it takes just 15% of the selling price. Amazon is the most trusted ecommerce site in the world and they are, literally, bringing you paying customers every day.

          If someone asked that you give them 15 cents for every $1 they brought to you, or facilitated towards you because people trust them, what would you do? It's a complete bargain!

          On the other issue you raise, I make 50% pure profit on my ASM product. Many make somewhere between 40-50% pure profit (after all costs are included).

          • Your point (3) is simply not true. I don't know where you've gotten that information from. It's just plain wrong. Many ASMers sell on amazon without a website. I myself did for quite some time.

          • Your point (4) - Amazon are not in the least bit interested in going to the suppliers of private label products. It's not their business model, it's also immoral. Yes, amazon do sell their own products but they are very few, very high volume and it's so rare as to be no concern at all (they will also sometimes do bargain basement stuff too). It's a complete non-issue for ASMers.

          Slightly more likely (but still highly unlikely) is that they see a private label seller being hugely successfull, over a long period of time, amazon might ask that private label seller supply them for amazon to sell themselves. This is absolutely fantastic business for those very few ASMers it has happened too, and is the equivalent of winning the lottery.

          Please be careful about the information you are providing for readers, they may be making significant financial investments based upon what you say, we have a duty to each other in here to be honest and truthful.

          Anyone seeking straightforward answers to their ASM questions can contact me through the link in the visitor messages tab in my profile.
          @ZanyZebra.. Yes Amazon takes 15% as a "referral fee", but they also charge a premium to fulfill compared to other independent fulfillment houses in the USA.. granted, their fulfillment network is much larger and can often times get products to customers quicker... 15% is still something to shake a stick at.

          As for the website: I've spoken with Amazon Seller Customer Support on many occasions and yes, they tell me every time that I need a website in place before they allow me to sell on their site HOWEVER.. This might be because I'm selling my own branded product, therefore I have to utilize their brand registry program..

          And your last point.. I'm just going to disregard it. If you do your research and google around, you'll see plenty of stories where Amazon has gone above the seller, ordered from the supplier, and then undercut them.. It's smart business, since they have a seller on their site taking on all the risk and testing the market for them... If you have your own branded product though ( private label or not, YOUR brand), then they can't take it from you. period.

          I'm getting a hunch that you work for ASM or something.. you post in all of their threads and defend their program profusely... I'm not trying to give people false info here, I'm letting them know the truth and they can decide.. Not knocking the ASM course; haven't taken it myself so I don't know.. I did see that they have a video on " how to setup your LLC in Delaware"... I hope they aren't giving legal advice to their customers; yikes!
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
      Originally Posted by srjjames View Post

      Is anyone in ASM and is willing to share access to their account? I'm looking to pay someone.
      @srjjames - Invest in yourself brother. If you are looking for an alternative without all the software. Click on the YouTube icon under my name and watch my Amazon presentation.

      Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

      is this being relaunched right now anyone know? after reading this thread i am running away
      @Claire Koch - If you were to do that, you could be running away from a great opportunity. Everyone has their opinions and some are more one sided.

      In the video I created with my honest opinion on YouTube. I felt I provided a very good preservative of the good and bad.

      Originally Posted by roadrunner2009 View Post

      Hi Claire,

      Like you I looked at this 3 years ago, and for some reason I see that its not all it says it is...I personally think they just wait each year for the NEWBIEs to appear and off they go again and that is what they are doing right now....

      So much of what they say does not ring true, I do however from what I have seen see they have some good software that makes the job a little bit easier.

      I personally think Jim Cockrums FBA programme is much better and a better price by a mile.

      Hope this helps

      Regards

      Sam
      @roadrunner2009 - ASM and Jim's course are different in the aspect they are teaching two different methods to create success on Amazon. There are a few other threads that discuss it on Warrior Forum

      Originally Posted by robertson27 View Post

      Jim cockrum's amazon course is much cheaper or you can learn to drop ship from amazon using ds domination for as little as 20 dollars per month.
      @Robertson27 - Same thing I wrote above to roadrunner2009

      Originally Posted by linusk View Post

      I am so happy that I have read all the comments about ASM on thos warrior forum, Right now as of April-2014 marketers are bombarding the ASM promotion andtheir free software-http://profitspotlight.com.

      I have made up my mid as to waht I will do!

      Warrior Forum is so informative.

      Hope the ASM guys are reading it as well.

      Special Thank to everyone who have commented and helped me to make my decision.
      @linusk - Before you do, I would like the opportunity to provide you my thoughts and what I have to offer.

      Originally Posted by ontyme View Post

      WOW...this has really been fun reading the comments here....some one should make a reality show about the responses that happened here....different people sitting at there computer pecking away at what they believe and what they don't believe...I am imagining the intensity on their faces the pounding of the keys... there is a big smile on my face and chuckles coming from me...ha ha ha ha...too bad no one can hear me...it really is funny...

      some one will always have something to say...good or bad...the answer to any problem will always lie in YOU!!!....all decisions concerning you will be made by YOU!!...you either believe in Amazon Selling Machine or you don't...You either believe in Proven...whatever it's called or you don't...If you take a strangers word for it being good or bad...your choice once again...I personally only go for the person who has "been there, done that"...and even then I proceed with caution...

      I guess the only person I would really trust is my mother...she's 77 yrs old and has no interest in any IM product...so that just leaves me and my own common and hopefully good sense...which isn't always correct...I get it more wrong than right...if anyone is looking for the perfect business model good luck...if anyone is looking for something that is risk free....good luck...with ANYTHING in life, business, relationships, ...etc...I don't care what it is when it comes to taking a chance.....YOU THROW THE DICE AND YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES!!!
      @ontyme - All great things worth having take risk

      Originally Posted by netrover View Post

      ASM suggests you can find manufacturers in the U.S. and sell their stuff on Amazon; "it's just a matter of researching the profitable products like shower mirrors." They say manufacturers are not into the business of retail because that's not their business model. I tend to disagree. Manufacturers will sell wholesale to retailers, but they will also sell their own stuff on Amazon as well and usually under sell their retailers.

      Their (ASM) claims simply go against universal business and free market principles. There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices; and deal with the many competitors on Amazon. Just do a test search of any commodity on Amazon, like cell phone cases or even shower mirrors and note the long list of sellers jockeying for your attention. What Amazon is brilliant at doing is forcing down prices. It makes the retail market extremely efficient; prices can change by the hour. There are inventors who put up a product of their own, and the next week a knock off is selling it at half the price, and it's too hard to track them down because they are in Asia and are hard to pin down; not to mention the legal costs, time, energy and stress.

      The Golden Rule -- trust your instincts! look through the hype and do your due diligence.
      @Netrover - Finding manufactures is a lot harder to find and sometimes non existent in the USA. There are some you can find easily like skin care products, but our world is global now and a lot of manufacturing is in China. The Chinese are not bad people.

      Not sure how much experience you have, but my work with manufactures only look to run off hundreds if not thousands of a product. They look to sell to disturbers, then so on.

      Manufactures are not usually set up for that business model since it is totally different and they are only looking to sell large bulk.

      The point with ASM is to create your brand. Instead of going into again what that means and the advantages of it. I discuss it in this thread on the forum.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post9098469

      I also created a presentation on YouTube talking about it and the process.

      Originally Posted by ihatetyping View Post

      Super glad Google brought me to this thread!!!
      Thanks very much for the JIM COCKRUM suggestion.
      Being on a tight budget I learned a long time ago if their afraid to show you the price of anything, it's going to be steep (not saying price of ASM is not worth it).
      I am saying JIM COCKRUM 's course is easily within my budget.

      Thanks for this great discussion board.
      @ihatetyping - Jim's course and ASM are two totally different business models. They are not the same.
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        @Josh Belanger,

        I am not entering into the endless discussion on which system is best, but I do challenge your comments about buying from manufacturers overseas.

        You wrote: "Not sure how much experience you have, but my work with manufactures only look to run off hundreds if not thousands of a product. They look to sell to disturbers, then so on.

        Manufactures are not usually set up for that business model since it is totally different and they are only looking to sell large bulk."


        My experience in buying direct from China and other countries covers 22 years. Yes they might prefer to sell large bulk, but I have taught hundreds of people how to buy small quantities direct from manufacturers regardless of the large MOQs they quote.

        If in your experience you have had no luck persuading manufacturers to sell you a small quantity that could be for a few reasons:
        • They know you are a newbie
        • They know you are a sole trader
        • You took the wrong approach to start with
        • You were looking in the wrong place to find genuine manufacturers
        Regarding the last point, netrover almost hit the nail on the head when he wrote: "There's no shortcut; you'll need to source your goods overseas or from Mexico to get any kind of reasonable margin; pay for ocean or air freight; hope you're not dealing with fraudulent "manufacturers" who may not be manufacturers in the first place but rather individuals posing as manufacturers who buy from the factories and mark up their prices;" but he was only partly right because he also has obviously been looking in the wrong place.


        What is the wrong place? It is the place most people use - either Alibaba or one of the other popular sourcing sites. The big names get all the mention on WF because they are the big advertisers and everyone knows about them.


        What is wrong with the wrong place? Those popular sites have very poor verification processes and in almost all cases verified means the business exists. Gold, Premium, 4 Star, or whatever high status category they advertise is bought, not earned. The great bulk of suppliers listed as manufacturers are wholesalers not manufacturers. That's what netrover was referring to.


        I teach how to safely source, and I don't recommend any of those sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
          @importexport - I feel like you are jumping in just to chime in, but in a good way because backs what I was saying to Netrover.

          Manufacturers are not marketers and sell to brands.

          I'm the first to say, I have very little experience with doing orders overseas. I have a few people in my network that do though.

          I focus in on the US because my marketing is based on a premium brand and supporting American jobs. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with overseas made products, because that is not the case.

          However, for me I want to test right now and can use that in my marketing.

          From what you have talked about in other posts and your forum name, I believe you and you are a great asset to the group. I don't think anyone is doubting that.

          If you'd like to know more about doing something on Amazon, send me a PM and we can talk on the phone. I love meeting and learning from others.

          All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    Hey jordanmalik,did you make your YouTube video private?
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
      Guys, im not going to get too much into detail just yet, but it is a well known secret that many of the "top dawgs" just skip the "hardest" part of the whole process and sell supplements

      This means that the manufacturing part is EASY as you send them or pick a formula and it is done in the USA.

      That moves eliminates your MAJOR friction point of supplier (that kills most people) and lets you focus on marketing.

      Supplements are easier to sell and you can sometimes get them on an auto rebill within the amazon system as well and personally the 8 people I know that are doing ASM and making between 10k-500k a month, 7 of them are doing supplements.

      Not to say that Non-supplements don't work. I don't know, i just know that the guys who I know that are "winning" are all doing supplements.
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        • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
          Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

          Hi again Greg, I'm actually in ASM and being very successful. I see directly what is happening as it relates to ASM and amazon.

          I just wanted to clarify on something you stated, in case anyone reading is confused or misinterprets what you said. The fact is the majority of ASMers are NOT in supplements. There are ASMers who are and that are very successful at it (and the supplements field is actually very big in range of products in any case).

          In fact the range of physical product categories that ASMers are in stretch right across the spectrum. Just clarifying in case anybody things they have to be in supplements to succeed at ASM.

          If anyone has any questions about this, or anything ASM related, i'll give you straight answers. To do this you can contact me through the link in my personal profile under the visitors messages tab, i think.
          I agree with you, people succeed in all different niches with ASM, it is just that supplements (in my experience) has the lowest friction point for entry. In your opinion, what are some of the pros and cons of selling supplements compared to general niche products?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kazz
            I bought the ASM course and is a great course but the problem is in how successful it has been. As there are so many people now doing what Matt and Jason teach it is getting harder to rank on Amazon as we are all competing against each other. It also takes a LOT longer then they say in their sales videos so don't expect to only work on it a couple of hours a day and be successful in a short period of time.

            With 2 launches of the course each year Matt and Jason are now getting greedy and are about to "kill their baby".
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    • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
      Hi, I did because it's several months old. I have new videos, though. If you click on the youtube icon link next to my name (to the left of this post) you'll see my new series. I have 3 videos out now about alternatives, a 4th one coming out in a couple days.

      Originally Posted by tyronne78 View Post

      Hey jordanmalik,did you make your YouTube video private?
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
        Originally Posted by jordanmalik View Post

        Hi, I did because it's several months old. I have new videos, though. If you click on the youtube icon link next to my name (to the left of this post) you'll see my new series. I have 3 videos out now about alternatives, a 4th one coming out in a couple days.
        @jordanmalik - The "alternatives" you suggest are not an alternative. They are a totally different business model.

        Those courses teach you to do wholesale. Maybe a great way to safely get into the pool and make a few dollars, but it's not a real business.

        An alternative would be a training that teaches the same thing to ASM, but at a different cost.

        Originally Posted by Kazz View Post

        I bought the ASM course and is a great course but the problem is in how successful it has been. As there are so many people now doing what Matt and Jason teach it is getting harder to rank on Amazon as we are all competing against each other. It also takes a LOT longer then they say in their sales videos so don't expect to only work on it a couple of hours a day and be successful in a short period of time.

        With 2 launches of the course each year Matt and Jason are now getting greedy and are about to "kill their baby".
        @Kazz - I disagree. I know someone that just started a product without the course in Feb selling in the a gun optic and now started out of the gate doing about 2k a day at $90 a sale, which I created a case study in private client area on.

        Most people learn and then take the easy product to try like "garcinia cambogia". Very competitive market to compete for the first time and then they get discouraged.

        Join me on my hangout tonight, I'll be more than happy to help you or provide any advice if you'd like.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kazz
          Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

          @jordanmalik

          @Kazz - I disagree. I know someone that just started a product without the course in Feb selling in the a gun optic and now started out of the gate doing about 2k a day at $90 a sale, which I created a case study in private client area on.
          I'm not saying a few people haven't been lucky with their product choice and made money quickly. However, the majority of people who are not able to work on the course full time are struggling and it is getting harder with more and more competition with all the new ASM members.

          With the $2,000 commission all the big affiliates are very keen to promote this course so I can't see it getting any better. In fact a lot of the successful ASM people are actively looking at platforms outside of Amazon as they can see the writing on the wall.
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          • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
            Originally Posted by Kazz View Post

            I'm not saying a few people haven't been lucky with their product choice and made money quickly. However, the majority of people who are not able to work on the course full time are struggling and it is getting harder with more and more competition with all the new ASM members.

            With the $2,000 commission all the big affiliates are very keen to promote this course so I can't see it getting any better. In fact a lot of the successful ASM people are actively looking at platforms outside of Amazon as they can see the writing on the wall.
            Well not matter how good the training is, most will not succeed. Everyone has different things occurring in their lives that prevents them to move forward, that's life.

            I speak with a lot of successful sellers on Amazon. It's them not seeing the light, it's them seeing the other opportunity.

            At the end of the day, Amazon is only one channel. To scale and grow your product and business, you'll want to use other channels to sell your product to create more revenue and likely better margins.
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        • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
          No: 2 of the 4 courses mention nothing of wholesale, and the other two suggest wholesale as one of the many methods of sourcing product.

          The 4 courses all teach ways to grow the businesses legitimately. One does not have to scale based on products, you can scale by systems (rinsing and repeating) regardless of how/where you find inventory.

          Hence: they are alternatives.

          My 4th video in my Amazing Selling Machine Low-Cost Alternatives series (on youtube) will explain more and it will be released tomorrow (4/18) mid-day. If anyone is interested just click on the youtube icon to the left (underneath my name) and then click the red 'subscribe' button on the youtube page (to ensure you're alerted to the new video when it's released).

          Thanks!

          -Jordan


          Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

          @jordanmalik - The "alternatives" you suggest are not an alternative. They are a totally different business model.

          Those courses teach you to do wholesale. Maybe a great way to safely get into the pool and make a few dollars, but it's not a real business.

          An alternative would be a training that teaches the same thing to ASM, but at a different cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamOne
    So I had a feeling that this course was based on selling private label supplements on Amazon...

    I've been doing it for awhile without paying 4K into the course, makes me want to make my own info product on this..oh wait I already did (launching soon)

    If anyone wants coaching on how to do exactly what these guys are teaching, PM me and Ill hook you up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Belanger
      Originally Posted by SamOne View Post

      So I had a feeling that this course was based on selling private label supplements on Amazon...

      I've been doing it for awhile without paying 4K into the course, makes me want to make my own info product on this..oh wait I already did (launching soon)

      If anyone wants coaching on how to do exactly what these guys are teaching, PM me and Ill hook you up.
      The course talks about selling a private label, nothing in the training is specific to supplements.

      @Greg Jacobs is the one talking about the opportunity with supplements.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
        Originally Posted by Josh Belanger View Post

        The course talks about selling a private label, nothing in the training is specific to supplements.

        @Greg Jacobs is the one talking about the opportunity with supplements.
        Correct, I have a bonus that builds on the ASM coursework that specifically steers them to sell supplements instead of dealing with the whole "china dance"
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  • Profile picture of the author tim413
    Sorry to hear your situation Mamalisa! Could your problem be from someone messing with you on Amazon?
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  • Profile picture of the author malia
    The lesson we learned from this is one must use Amazon as a tool in a large marketing tool-chest. It's very risky to build a business which is solely dependent upon selling through their system.

    I would caution anyone who is starting on a shoestring to be careful to not over extend yourself to buy the course because the Amazon model is not as secure as the course makes it appear (Maybe that risk is covered in the course, I don't know). Anyway, please be aware that you can get booted off Amazon through no fault of your own. I wouldn't have believed it had it not happened to us.

    Thanks for letting me share my story with you. Being that we just refiled the second appeal today, feelings are a little raw
    I had a similar thing happen to me. I primarily sell in a category that requires approval and had my category privileges revoked... with my inventory sitting in Amazon's warehouse. This was not over an issue of authenticity, this was over not submitting data feed to a sandbox account (after YEARS of selling on Amazon).

    It took MONTHS to work out (I believe 9) and the entire experience left me pretty 'raw' about Amazon also. It is not, and was not, my major sales channel and the inventory there was not most of my inventory. I am glad you posted your experience because it's not all sunshine and rainbows when dealing with Amazon's bureaucracy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

        ASM Product Sourcing in China.

        Before i joined ASM I had previously travelled all over China for pleasure. I had also, as a corporate strategy consultant, done business there on behalf of a multi-national TV company. But, I had absolutely no background in sourcing product from China.

        It has taken me well over 4 months, within ASM, to become highly proficient in sourcing and dealing with Chinese companies. This included getting up at 5am many mornings (because of time differences) so that I could spend at least 2 hours on Skype daily talking directly to Chinese supply companies, exploring, negotiating, building relationships, setting contracts, dealing with quality issues, financing, cultural differences, etc.

        Vitally, understanding Chinese business culture. It’s very different and even has a specific name - guanxi.

        It has been one roller-coaster of a learning curve for me. I made many, many mistakes. Some cost me money and time. But now I confidently source product almost exclusively from China and quite a number of existing ASMers ask me for my views on product sourcing, contracting and shipping from China.

        ASM does not quite cover fully enough the importing from China, in my opinion (it's the one slight weakness in their otherwise excellent training). ASM would say they do cover it properly but, in my view, there are a few gaps. Potentially costly gaps. That’s why I had spent time and effort learning it.

        I don’t want anyone to think that sourcing from China could be a real problem for them. With the right approach, it won’t. But there’s learning to do. Once you’ve done it a few times, it will become second nature.

        With the right approach, importing from China nearly always results in much higher margins than sourcing from any major 1st world country.

        Should you source from USA or China? It depends on the product you are choosing to source. You can source, if you know the methods, virtually anything from China. But, that’s not to say you should.

        Anything that you put on or in your body, for example, you need to take extra steps with. For instance does it need FDA approval? This in itself requires some exploration.

        For most products, China is the best source, in making the highest margins. Nowadays the whole negative cache of ‘made in china’ is gone. Many products from there are very high quality but, again, you need to know how to do this properly.

        Anyone who has ASM questions you can get to me through the link under the visitor messages tab my profile. Over 70 warrior forum people have done so in the last 10 days and are now debating this and other major issues in depth with me and together.
        @ZanyZebra,

        I am pleased for you that you finally made your way through the maze and found out how to import direct from China.

        Maybe you never saw my book referred to on the forum, but other members might like to have a look at the posts on the thread ebook about import from China

        That might help them find a real shortcut to the exciting high profit world of direct importing.
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        • Profile picture of the author partyman
          Jim Cockrum - please do your 99 dollar Warrior Forum special again for the Proven Amazon Course.

          I will order directly and it will help a lot of people.
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          • Profile picture of the author SamOne
            Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

            ASM have just announced, everybody who purchases ASM3 is now going to also receive all the recordings of the past two ASM live events.

            The live event materials total about 5 or 6 days worth of video recording of all the speakers. It's an awful lot of information of value.

            I've seen both live events. They're very good. Worth it.

            Is this material absolutely necessary for ASM success? No. Is it really valuable? Yes.

            As before, anyone who has ASM questions you can get to me through the link under the visitor messages tab my profile.

            There's no way you're not affiliated with them... you're practically their spokesperson on this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author bomark2002
    you better get that credit card blocked, if they have not responded they intend to do it again then you will have another $997.00 on top of that one. I was almost convinced with what they were doing but, something just wasnt right about it and then i found this site and now I am definitely NOT going to waste money i would have to borrow in the first place, good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author partyman
    Jim Cockrum - please do your 99 dollar Warrior Forum special again for the Proven Amazon Course.

    This is post 102 in this tread and you have not answered. Please do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
      Originally Posted by partyman View Post

      Jim Cockrum - please do your 99 dollar Warrior Forum special again for the Proven Amazon Course.

      This is post 102 in this tread and you have not answered. Please do.
      I'm truly honored at the overwhelmingly supportive reaction my PAC course has gotten on the forums here - My team and I have diligently answered questions from hundreds of people at this point in the past few weeks alone. That same team is also working very hard to continually update and improve the course - literally DAILY it gets better with new content, new sourcing ideas and layout improvements.

      Also keep in mind that we only charge a one time fee and you get all future updates. We don't have any other fees in the future as the course improves. We pay a large staff (over 30) moderators to help on our forums, and I pay student experts VERY well to add in their ideas. It's like an evolving wikipedia of the best ideas for selling product on Amazon.

      For those reasons and more the current price (which is WAY below the high point of $700) is more than fair. We simply can't justify giving it away for a lower price any longer. I ran that price special as long as we could, but it's been expired for some time now.
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    • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
      The Proven Amazon Course's content (if you were to buy everything individually) is probably $5,000 (arguably much higher). $247 is a steal, and if it were $347 or $399 or $499, I'd say the same thing. Is the course perfect? No, but it's one of 4 that are proven to work for its members and Jim's 100% money back, no hassles guarantee is one of the best if not the best in the industry.
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      • Profile picture of the author vortexbased
        I've received countless emails from affiliate marketeers telling me about some "new" way to make money online, and countless times I ended up on warrior forum when researching these opportunities. Today, I finally registered, just to say Thank You.

        This thread has been VERY informative for me, not only about ASM, but about selling on Amazon in general. From what I read here, I believe that ASM and also PAC are both filled with valuable information in their own way, but in the end if comes down to serious dedication and actually "doing it", meaning a lot of effort and lots of research, which goes far beyond what you are told in any of these guides/courses in order to be successful. There simply is no "easy" way to make money online, while there is lots of ways to do it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Darren Beecham
          I feel sad for all you ASM refunders... If only you knew what ur missing out on...and put ur head down and focused on 1 thing for 3-4 months....the results would shock you
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Looks like nik0 and I were asking the same question just minutes apart, lol. This thread makes no sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      Looks like nik0 and I were asking the same question just minutes apart, lol. This thread makes no sense.
      Did you also just figure out that the day of posting is not 25 March 2014, but 2013
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Did you also just figure out that the day of posting is not 25 March 2014, but 2013
        Haha nope, saw the thread under newest posts and just jumped right in. Been seeing a ton of ads on FB for ASM in the last week.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          Haha nope, saw the thread under newest posts and just jumped right in. Been seeing a ton of ads on FB for ASM in the last week.
          Yeah I bet tons of people love to promote it for a $2000,- commission.

          The whole style of how they promote it looks way to much like how those MLM scammers used to do it back then.

          With crowds, meetings where they invite look-a-like celebrities (at least that's how they did it in my country when I once visited such meeting like a naieve idiot), totally hyped up in every single way possible.

          There is something to learn from guys like these though, and that is how they market it, how they setup the video's, how they speak to the imagination of large groups of people, and even groups who have money to spend, they're experts in that so plenty to learn, FOR FREE!

          That's why I watched their video for the full length, I always find that the most interesting things about such offers.

          What I lately learned from these hyped up courses is that you can't repeat yourself often enough how it's going to change your life and the speed of talking on video's to keep your attention.

          I think that by itself is a golden tip for video marketeers!

          I always get bored as hell from most video's that I watch where they talk slowly but when they talk like laser fast it automatically becomes interesting, perhaps throw up a nice energetic tune in the background and you're good to go to take action, like mind manipulation at it's best.

          Leadpages is also doing that in a great way, talking laser fast on video explaining all their features, they got me hooked right away and after I purchased right away, but that's more cause they offer true value that I haven't seen with any other lead page creating services/tools. That's how they can charge $69/month instead of a one time fee, but for sure if it was a slow talking video I would probably not have watched it all the way and missed out on all those features and probably kept my money in my pocket.
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  • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
    Originally Posted by vanillawoods View Post


    Jim's reputation is impeccable, his success is just as good or better than ASM so it makes sense to me.
    What you did not tell is how Jim's course compares with ASM in terms of private labeling subject.

    How good is PowerBrand system?

    Originally Posted by SamOne View Post

    there is a couple of dudes doing -



    In their defence; that sounds like everything in life.. it's called the 80/20 principle.. 80% of the results comes from 20% of the work.. 80% of something comes from 20% of something... such is life.
    What I am wondering is does that rule work on life's level or certain business model level.
    I have to assume on second thought that it's the later because you can fail at one business model but success in another. This could vary from person to person though.
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    • Profile picture of the author vanillawoods
      Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

      What you did not tell is how Jim's course compares with ASM in terms of private labeling subject.

      How good is PowerBrand system?

      The power brand system is included in Jim's course. Also the sourcing guide. Jim says avoid alibaba, where as in ASM they say it is good.

      It's not good as there are too many phonies on Alibaba.

      That was another sign ASM was not the right course.


      What I am wondering is does that rule work on life's level or certain business model level.
      I have to assume on second thought that it's the later because you can fail at one business model but success in another. This could vary from person to person though.
      This is true. So why spend $4000 when you can spend $249? :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by vanillawoods View Post

        This is true. So why spend $4000 when you can spend $249? :-)
        Why spend $249 when you can buy a great ebook about import/export for $50,- that's btw included in that $249,- guide.

        And do the rest of the research yourself, in the end you have to depend on yourself anyway for product choice.

        Amazon provides a lot of info and there's another site that you'll find by Googling a few minutes max, that provides a TON of value for 100% free.

        Here another source: http://www.fbamastery.com/

        Can't find the one I mean.
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        • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Why spend $249 when you can buy a great ebook about import/export for $50,- that's btw included in that $249,- guide.
          Don't forget that it also has private labeling book which is what is ASM about. Add to this forum and Facebook group and you get a good package.

          And do the rest of the research yourself, in the end you have to depend on yourself anyway for product choice.

          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Amazon provides a lot of info and there's another site that you'll find by Googling a few minutes max, that provides a TON of value for 100% free.

          Here another source: FBA (Fulfillment by Amazon) Mastery | Selling books online using Fulfillment by Amazon

          Can't find the one I mean.
          Do you know forums that touch on private labeling aspect?

          Amazon does not provide private labeling information and to at least participate in FBA community, you must register as seller before that. The FBA Mastery forum focuses on selling physical books and there's no private labeling mentioned.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Boris_yo View Post

            Do you know forums that touch on private labeling aspect?

            Amazon does not provide private labeling information and to at least participate in FBA community, you must register as seller before that. The FBA Mastery forum focuses on selling physical books and there's no private labeling mentioned.
            Why would you need a forum about private labeling to private label?

            You just find a factory and ask them to put your logo on the product.

            Now that was hard...

            Hard to private label a book with authorship indeed Unless you want to get sued.

            But really, why do people over complicate everything.
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            • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
              Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

              The idea that you have to place huge orders to buy direct from China is a myth perpetuated by people who have no idea how safely buying from China really works.

              This myth leads huge numbers of people to miss out on opportunities for massive profits that dwarf profits obtainable through dropshipping.
              Sounds like conspiracy between dropshippers...

              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Why would you need a forum about private labeling to private label?

              You just find a factory and ask them to put your logo on the product.

              Now that was hard...

              Hard to private label a book with authorship indeed Unless you want to get sued.

              But really, why do people over complicate everything.
              You didn't mention brand check, trademark check, patent check and there's more I am sure. I will clarify using existing best-selling fitness item on Amazon which is basically roller that you use train with on floor. It is branded but why can't I find a basic roller that does the same and put my name on it? Because it has unique feature which is patented believe.

              Now you know why I am concerned and prefer overcomplicate rather than end up in a mess.

              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Yes that was an eye opener but won't work in every niche. I know suppliers that demand that you order at least 5 containers or they don't even consider doing business with you.

              And those are often the ones you do want to do business with
              Only those and no others that would let you start small? What is feasible is starting small and then seeing how well it is selling. If all goes really well and promising, start with containers from those serious manufacturers. Maybe their products will be of better quality even which I want to emphasize too, because if you know chinese websites, they can all have same product but quality may very which is more often indicated by higher price and reviews to some extent.
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  • Profile picture of the author jex1
    Originally Posted by Copydog View Post

    Paid the first installment ($997) of four to
    Amazing Selling Machine on March 17.

    But when I started doing the course, discovered
    there was further expense and more complexity
    involved than was mentioned in the initial videos.

    So last Friday (March 22) I asked for a refund in
    their support section (there's a 30-day guaranteed
    refund period).

    I also (politely) asked Jason Katzenback for a refund
    in a private message (no response from him).

    Today (Monday) I checked my emails and get this
    from their support section (even though I'd previously
    asked them NOT to try to persuade me to change my
    mind):

    "Hello Eldo,

    Is there anything we can help you with? Do you need
    assistance with the training or are there any major issues
    we can work out for you before you cancel?"

    Then tried to login to my account at ASM and it says
    "account deactivated"!

    But I've received no email from ASM confirming
    my refund.

    Today phoned my credit card company and they say
    I've received no refund from ASM.

    I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTACT JASON OR MATT
    ABOUT MY REFUND...

    With each day that goes by my credit card is racking up
    more interest (I asked for the refund last Friday, but still
    no response).

    Has anyone else on the Warrior Forum had this problem?

    I'll keep you all updated about this.

    This is VERY worrying.

    If Jason or Matt read this, could you let me know why you
    haven't yet issued my refund?
    If you are crazy-worried about CC charges for $997, how the hell were you going to afford the full $3000 + the four or five figures needed to ship a consignment from China to the FBA centres????? This is not a business that can be done on the cheap, IMO you need high 5 figures to do this.

    Credentials: running an amazon store for almost 3 years, 100% feedback, 4 digits of product sold per year!
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by jex1 View Post

      If you are crazy-worried about CC charges for $997, how the hell were you going to afford the full $3000 + the four or five figures needed to ship a consignment from China to the FBA centres????? This is not a business that can be done on the cheap, IMO you need high 5 figures to do this.

      Credentials: running an amazon store for almost 3 years, 100% feedback, 4 digits of product sold per year!
      I don't comment about ASM, but I would like to point out that you do not need big bucks to import direct from manufacturers China.

      I have taught people in 31 countries how to get genuine manufacturers in China to supply small orders regardless of the huge MOQs that are quoted.

      The idea that you have to place huge orders to buy direct from China is a myth perpetuated by people who have no idea how safely buying from China really works.

      This myth leads huge numbers of people to miss out on opportunities for massive profits that dwarf profits obtainable through dropshipping.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

        I don't comment about ASM, but I would like to point out that you do not need big bucks to import direct from manufacturers China.

        I have taught people in 31 countries how to get genuine manufacturers in China to supply small orders regardless of the huge MOQs that are quoted.

        The idea that you have to place huge orders to buy direct from China is a myth perpetuated by people who have no idea how safely buying from China really works.

        This myth leads huge numbers of people to miss out on opportunities for massive profits that dwarf profits obtainable through dropshipping.
        Yes that was an eye opener but won't work in every niche. I know suppliers that demand that you order at least 5 containers or they don't even consider doing business with you.

        And those are often the ones you do want to do business with
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  • Profile picture of the author jex1
    I have not found anyone who will sell me low MOQ from China. All of them want me to buy an XXL container at minimum which is something like 36 EU pallets per container IIRC.

    You could potentially save some money if your buying XXL containers but renting a warehouse and storing it there and just sending to FBA by the palletload, because their storage fees are immense in comparison to how much it costs to rent a warehouse, especially if you sub-let it with partitions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by jex1 View Post

      I have not found anyone who will sell me low MOQ from China. All of them want me to buy an XXL container at minimum which is something like 36 EU pallets per container IIRC.

      You could potentially save some money if your buying XXL containers but renting a warehouse and storing it there and just sending to FBA by the palletload, because their storage fees are immense in comparison to how much it costs to rent a warehouse, especially if you sub-let it with partitions.
      It is possible to get suppliers to sell much smaller quantities than the huge MOQs you have been quoted. There are a lot of myths and misconceptions about buying from China.
      • Massive discounts for volume. FALSE. I recently checked a quote for one of my students and it confirmed what I already knew, that discounts for doubling, trebling, or multiplying by 10 the size of an order only amount to a very small %.
      • You have to buy container loads if you want to buy direct from manufacturers. FALSE. During the 22 years I ran an importing business which I franchised in 4 countries, the average shipment value was about $500, but shipments ranged from $100 to $50,000.
      • Buy from wholesalers for good prices. This is partly true, but it fails to take into account that buying direct from the manufacturer will give you a massive increase in profit margins, even when you buy small quantities. After all where do the wholesalers buy?
      • Wholesalers give quicker delivery because they stock inventory. FALSE. Many wholesalers never stock inventory. In fact they often don't even have a formal arrangement with the manufacturers. They try to sell the product - they get an order - they contact the manufacturer hoping to be able to buy and sell to you at a profit. If they succeed they have done very well. If they fail, they refund your money, leaving you to start the process again.
      • Wholesalers sell smaller quantities because they carry inventory. FALSE. Wholesalers are usually much more inflexible on MOQs than manufacturers because: a) They want to make a killing on your order and a big quantity is important for that. b) With a big order they have a better chance of persuading the manufacturer to deal with them.
      You may have been dealing with wholesalers pretending to be manufacturers. This is far too common. The great majority of "manufacturers" listed on the big, popular sourcing sites are in fact traders and wholesalers falsely claiming to be manufacturers. If you can't trust them to be truthful in that, can you trust them with your money?
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
    The first step he recommends is to ask 3 to 10 of your family and friends what are 3 items they couldn't live without and what they're biggest frustrations are with those products. Then you make your product selection based on their response and create a better product addressing the issues they raised. Then pre-sell the product to them to get an "army" of buyers. This, apparently, is supposed to ensure your success.

    The idea is good but 3 to 10 people? And family and friends? That constitutes an army of buyers? No, that's 3 to 10 people that would buy your product out of obligation more than anything else. Its completely ridiculous. How about just finding out what's selling on Amazon, look at the reviews and use that as your market research?
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    • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
      Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

      The idea is good but 3 to 10 people? And family and friends? That constitutes an army of buyers? No, that's 3 to 10 people that would buy your product out of obligation more than anything else. Its completely ridiculous. How about just finding out what's selling on Amazon, look at the reviews and use that as your market research?
      That's the necessary stage to have initial social proof for your product listing needed to start the ball rolling. Would you buy product with 0 reviews or 3 reviews?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
        Originally Posted by Boris_yo View Post

        That's the necessary stage to have initial social proof for your product listing needed to start the ball rolling. Would you buy product with 0 reviews or 3 reviews?
        A small handful of legitimate purchases and positive reviews to go along with it are VITAL to getting on the radar of the Amazon product ranking system. Don't manipulate the system, but having a few orders lined up before you go live is a great idea to launch a new product right.
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      • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
        Originally Posted by Boris_yo View Post

        That's the necessary stage to have initial social proof for your product listing needed to start the ball rolling. Would you buy product with 0 reviews or 3 reviews?
        Boris,

        I'm not debating that the reviews are very helpful to get your product off and running but I think you missed a really basic point. He recommends using the opinions of 3 to 10 of your family and friends as the basis to pick a product to sell. And just because they buy it doesn't mean anyone else will. Again, Amazon has all the info for market research you need and that's what should be recommended.
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        • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
          Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

          Boris,

          I'm not debating that the reviews are very helpful to get your product off and running but I think you missed a really basic point. He recommends using the opinions of 3 to 10 of your family and friends as the basis to pick a product to sell. And just because they buy it doesn't mean anyone else will. Again, Amazon has all the info for market research you need and that's what should be recommended.
          You are right because it's not about arbitrage but private labeling where learning curve is longer and risk is higher due to importing, waiting time, more expenses and higher overhead. You must do bigger homework to put everything into place to make sure your imported private labeled goods will sell. Compare to arbitrage where products are established in market known to be selling, when it comes to private labeling we are launching untested product to market and to increase our chances to succeed we must do sufficient homework.

          Ate you sure you read it from PowerBrandSystem?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
      Originally Posted by mildredthappy View Post

      Selling Machines really help you sell $100000 a month on Amazon.com
      No, I have never been a member of ASM and barely watched the free videos. My point was is that the free ASM videos are more valuable than a paid PAC course based on what I have seen.

      So much of it is about picking the right product and buying it at the right price. If you get that right, you can screw up a lot of other stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author jkgultimate
    There is another company who launched something like ASM but better and not even close to $4000.00
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    • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
      Originally Posted by jkgultimate View Post

      There is another company who launched something like ASM but better and not even close to $4000.00
      Why won't you tell us?
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      • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
        Try googling:

        Amazing Selling Machine alternative

        or

        Amazon seller course

        The Amazon seller courses/systems by: Jim Cockrum ("Proven Amazon Course") or Skip McGrath ("Complete Amazon Marketing System") or Jessica Larrew ("Amazon Boot Camp") or Andy Dew ("Dewable Premium Access") are each a fraction of the price and proven (hundreds to thousands of students earning real income by selling physical products on Amazon)

        -Jordan


        Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

        Why won't you tell us?
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        • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
          Originally Posted by jordanmalik View Post

          Try googling:

          Amazing Selling Machine alternative

          or

          Amazon seller course

          The Amazon seller courses/systems by: Jim Cockrum or Skip McGrath or Jessica Larrew or Andy Dew are each a fraction of the price and proven (hundreds to thousands of students earning real income by selling physical products on Amazon)

          -Jordan
          Do you realize that courses that you suggested take different direction compared to Amazing Selling Machine? They are far from alternatives.
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          • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
            Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

            Do you realize that courses that you suggested take different direction compared to Amazing Selling Machine? They are far from alternatives.
            Nonsense. If you want to sell physical products on Amazon via Fullfillment by Amazon (FBA), each of the aforementioned courses can help you achieve that to any degree ($1,000/year in sales to $1M/year in sales). Just because each course doesn't have slick graphics, dubious claims, a relaunch every 6 months, and a high price tag, doesn't mean they don't provide a viable, proven methodology for earning a remarkable income online. Further, search for testimonials on each of those courses and you'll see far more positive testimonials (and almost no negative testimonials), which can't be said for ASM.

            Case closed.
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            • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
              Originally Posted by jordanmalik View Post

              Nonsense. If you want to sell physical products on Amazon via Fullfillment by Amazon (FBA), each of the aforementioned courses can help you achieve that to any degree ($1,000/year in sales to $1M/year in sales). Just because each course doesn't have slick graphics, dubious claims, a relaunch every 6 months, and a high price tag, doesn't mean they don't provide a viable, proven methodology for earning a remarkable income online. Further, search for testimonials on each of those courses and you'll see far more positive testimonials (and almost no negative testimonials), which can't be said for ASM.

              Case closed.

              You obviously don't know what ASM is about. It's strictly about private labeling which your alternatives barely have anything to do with.

              Case closed.
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              • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
                Ah, yes! Felix thanks for reminding me. ASM is about private labeling - an inventory sourcing method among the highest in risk and an exponentially higher required investment (of time and money) to get started - versus virtually any other product sourcing method.

                Yes, Felix is right: if folks want to enter a high-risk method of sourcing and selling (with some questionable marketing practices and 'bonus' software/programs) that requires they spend thousands more than the course entry of $4,000 - then there is (thank God) no alternative to ASM. So I stand corrected Felix, as always - you are right once again.

                Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

                You obviously don't know what ASM is about. It's strictly about private labeling which your alternatives barely have anything to do with.

                Case closed.
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                • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
                  Originally Posted by jordanmalik View Post

                  Ah, yes! Felix thanks for reminding me. ASM is about private labeling - an inventory sourcing method among the highest in risk and an exponentially higher required investment (of time and money) to get started - versus virtually any other product sourcing method.

                  Yes, Felix is right: if folks want to enter a high-risk method of sourcing and selling (with some questionable marketing practices and 'bonus' software/programs) that requires they spend thousands more than the course entry of $4,000 - then there is (thank God) no alternative to ASM. So I stand corrected Felix, as always - you are right once again.
                  I will admit that the risk is much greater than finding used stuffed animals to resell on Amazon.
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                  • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
                    Ryan David, another newbie, welcome. Thanks for verifying the used plush animals (Amazon calls them 'collectible'). Here let me help you round out your thoughts: here are other proven inventory sourcing methods/types (with markedly less risk than private labeling). All scalable, all being pursued successfully by new sellers like yourself, and experienced ones.

                    Liquidation retailers
                    Grocery surplus
                    Wholesale trade shows (just google 'No show trade show')
                    Exclusive relationships with distributors
                    Exclusive relationships with wholesalers
                    Brick and mortar retailers
                    Yard Sales
                    Thrift Stores
                    Garage Sales
                    Grocery store clearance
                    Online arbitrage (just google 'online sourcing strategies')
                    Buy low on eBay Sell High on Amazon (google it)
                    Independent manufacture
                    Retail Arbitrage
                    Craigslist
                    Retail store negotiations (helping independent and chain retail stores clear out their end-of-season stock,e tc.)

                    I probably forgot a few there...

                    Good luck, Ryan!


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                    I will admit that the risk is much greater than finding used stuffed animals to resell on Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author cabenb
    These guys are asking to much. It's not worth it and there are other cheaper courses to learn the same. The fact it's this difficult to get a refund says it all. These guys just want to make money themselves in spite of the fact they keep repeating in their promotional videos they are there to help.......... Yeah right........... People keep buying this BS. Remember always: If it looks to be good to be true it is.......
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  • Profile picture of the author teepee
    I have been fighting with Amazon to get "MY" earned money.

    I've run into many problems due to being Canadian and no American.

    They keep insisting that I open a US Bank Account and the Banks, Credit Unions tell me it's impossible to do that.

    They also expect me to have gotten my Driver's License in the US. I got it in Alberta, CANADA.

    Not a good experience and my account is also FROZEN until I comply with their obligations.

    Tom
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    • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
      Originally Posted by teepee View Post

      I have been fighting with Amazon to get "MY" earned money.

      I've run into many problems due to being Canadian and no American.

      They keep insisting that I open a US Bank Account and the Banks, Credit Unions tell me it's impossible to do that.

      They also expect me to have gotten my Driver's License in the US. I got it in Alberta, CANADA.

      Not a good experience and my account is also FROZEN until I comply with their obligations.

      Tom
      Open Canada bank account according to this page: Amazon.com Help: Bank Account Information

      Another option is registering for a bank account at Payoneer or forming US based entity to open US bank account.
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  • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
    Originally Posted by jordanmalik

    Ah, yes! Felix thanks for reminding me. ASM is about private labeling - an inventory sourcing method among the highest in risk and an exponentially higher required investment (of time and money) to get started - versus virtually any other product sourcing method.
    And I guess you are here to save the day for people lacking common sense, who easily buy into hype not understanding what's involved? It's good that you recalled what ASM is about but people who come to this thread are interested about business model taught there and you lead them astray to courses teaching general Amazon selling, calling them alternatives. A perfect audience for someone with his own agenda, who took negative PR associated with ASM buzz to capitalize on.

    I guess there are almost no people to trust these days in this business as they have their own interests.
    At least it seems IM business doesn't work that way.

    Originally Posted by jordanmalik

    Yes, Felix is right: if folks want to enter a high-risk method of sourcing and selling (with some questionable marketing practices and 'bonus' software/programs) that requires they spend thousands more than the course entry of $4,000 - then there is (thank God) no alternative to ASM. So I stand corrected Felix, as always - you are right once again.
    I was talking about alternatives that you are pushing here and surprisingly on Kindle market. Nowhere did I claim there are no alternatives. There is a free information available on blogs and YouTube videos about private labeling from people doing it. Some of these people are ASM students offering their own unique approach with private coaching and eBooks as well which are nowhere near the price tag of ASM.
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    • Profile picture of the author jordanmalik
      Thanks for the ultra-fast response, Felix! But I didn't post any affiliate links or direct anyone to my e-book and video reviews of Amazon selling courses or systems in this thread. I think that's against the Warrior forum rules. But don't despair, you (or anyone here), feel free to private-message me and request my review guide/video page, I'm happy to send it (it's free, no sign-up required, no personal information to submit.)

      Cheerio,
      -Jordan


      Originally Posted by felixcohen View Post

      And I guess you are here to save the day for people lacking common sense, who easily buy into hype not understanding what's involved? It's good that you recalled what ASM is about but people who come to this thread are interested about business model taught there and you lead them astray to courses teaching general Amazon selling, calling them alternatives. A perfect audience for someone with his own agenda, who took negative PR associated with ASM buzz to capitalize on.

      I guess there are almost no people to trust these days in this business as they have their own interests.
      At least it seems IM business doesn't work that way.



      I was talking about alternatives that you are pushing here and surprisingly on Kindle market. Nowhere did I claim there are no alternatives. There is a free information available on blogs and YouTube videos about private labeling from people doing it. Some of these people are ASM students offering their own unique approach with private coaching and eBooks as well which are nowhere near the price tag of ASM.
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      • Profile picture of the author felixcohen
        Originally Posted by jordanmalik View Post

        But don't despair, you (or anyone here), feel free to private-message me and request my review guide/video page, I'm happy to send it (it's free, no sign-up required, no personal information to submit.)
        Why would I if I can do what you suggested and search Google for phrase you gave and discover your listings covering half of first page? Thanks for making it easier.

        Originally Posted by jordanmalik

        Felix: one more thing to help you - you definitely don't have this:

        Definition: Alternative
        al·ter·na·tive
        ôlˈtərnətiv/Submit
        adjective -

        (of one or more things) available as another possibility.
        "the various alternative methods for resolving disputes"
        synonyms: different, other, another, second, possible, substitute, replacement, alternate
        Now I see why such discrepancy. I thought you were talking about "replacement" which seems to be not the case. Obviously people thought ASM is the only way of selling on Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
    Pretty sure Jordan is a troll. Who else could boast that they were "featured on CNBC" , but then write a blog post about how he was a subject on cnbc for "why did your business fail".
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