What is your opinion about Sitesell.com?

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Hi,

I am going to start a modelling web site. For this, I thought using the Sitesell.com services. Have you ever used Sitesell.com? If yes, how was your experience? Will you recommend Sitesell.com for me, who never made a dime in IM?

If you recommend not using Sitesell.com, why? If I am not to use Sitesell, what is the alternative you suggest?

Thanks a lot for your time.

Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author sreejish
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    • Profile picture of the author sreejish
      ^ Hi Art,

      Which other route did you take? Are you now successful in IM? Are you doing IM full time or part time? Why are you not advertising your web sites here in your forum signature? By the way, which are your successful web sites?
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      • Profile picture of the author merpmerp
        sreejish,

        If you do a whois search of the site that Art referred you to, you will see it is not hosted by SBI.
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        • Profile picture of the author merpmerp
          Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post

          Not sure your point merpmerp, You do not have to remain with them forever after starting. You own it and can do whatever you want with it once created.

          SBI sitesell have many products and services to choose from if you read the website.

          -Art
          My point is, you are referring to a site praising SBI, yet the site is not using SBI. If it is so good, why isn't she still using it?
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          • Profile picture of the author EelKat
            My opinion is it's good for some and not for others, it depends on what you plan to use it for. It's best for information sites, where you write lots and lots and lots of text on a single topic, you know how-to sites, travel sites, recipe sites, history of ___ sites, etc. You are only going to be successful if you have 200 or more pages of text on your topic. SBI sites with 100 of fewer pages never make it past the first year. The most successful SBI sites are the ones with well over 4,500 pages on them. You are looking at a really writing intensive platform that is best suited for historians, museum curators, instructors, professors, travel advisors, cooks/chefs, etc.

            I'd only recommend it for your modeling site if your site was say "The History of Modeling in the 20th Century" or something like that, where you'd be writing hundreds of pages on how modeling has evolved over the decades.

            If you were planing more of a modeling agency or services for models or a fan site featuring photos of your favorite models than SBI is not the right platform at all.

            Originally Posted by merpmerp View Post

            My point is, you are referring to a site praising SBI, yet the site is not using SBI. If it is so good, why isn't she still using it?
            I had to go look at the link, after reading this to see. Actually her site IS hosted by SBI; she's not using their standard template that's why it doesn't look like an SBI site.

            I was somewhat displeased with her "testimony" because she is claiming that her site is earning her $90,000 a year, which indicated that Google Ads are paying this amount. (The average reader assumes if your SBI site is paying you money than that money comes from Google). This is somewhat misleading, because she spends a great deal of time and effort boasting that SBI is the reason she is earning $90,000 a year, but than after you scroll down through her endless hype, you reach the part where a reader asked specifically where the money comes from and she says it's coming from sales of her products and services. I read that and I'm like "Why are you telling me SBI is the reason you earn $90,000 when that money is coming from you selling per/hr services and ebooks to clients?" Wouldn't her services and books would earn the same amount regardless of the webhost she used?

            I'd like to see her post actual income from Google, because that's the traffic based income. She doesn't answer that question when asked, she just said "Google brings in good money". Well, okay, but how much is "good"? :confused: Why is she being so evasive?
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            • Profile picture of the author merpmerp
              Originally Posted by EelKat View Post






              I had to go look at the link, after reading this to see. Actually her site IS hosted by SBI; she's not using their standard template that's why it doesn't look like an SBI site.
              Eelkat, take a look:

              Domain Name: WORLD-OF-LUCID-DREAMING.COM
              Registrar: FASTDOMAIN, INC.
              Whois Server: whois.fastdomain.com
              Referral URL: http://www.fastdomain.com
              Name Server: NS1.BLUEHOST.COM
              Name Server: NS2.BLUEHOST.COM

              How is that an SBI site?
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              • Profile picture of the author MattC
                Most Sitesell websites have lost nearly all of their traffic.

                Go on any forum, review, read comments posted by neutral ex-SBI or current SBI siteowners and read the horror stories about what happened to their websites and income. It's pretty soul-destroying. Also, the owner of Sitesell blamed any problems people had on the siteowners themselves, even though he had told them how to optimise their website pages.

                If I were you I'd get your own shared hosting, own domain and learn some Wordpress and basic SEO stuff and avoid wasting 2 years of your life.

                A quick note: people will come on this forum calling me a "hater". It's not the case, I'm just an ex SBI siteowner sharing my experience.

                Also, SBI pays people to actively search on this forum and write posts, pretending that they are just regular neutral SBI siteowners, when they are not, they actually receiving payment for defending SBI. Curtis above is one of these people who is paid by Sitesell to masquerade on forums posting positive reviews which are actually quite misleading when investigated. He will no doubt react strongly to that suggestion, but that is what he is trained to do, so it's understandable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    I have a website hosted on Sitesell aka Site Build It.

    Just a fair warning: there is a potential that this thread will explode into a mass confusion of hate-slinging. This is because every time a discussion of Site Build It comes up, there is a group of haters that appears and criticizes it to no end. And then the group of supporters (such as myself) argue back. And the fight continues... until the thread gets locked by a mod.

    That said, I am satisfied with my SBI site. I started it several years ago and even though I barely even touch it anymore, it is still making me money every single month because I followed the SBI model correctly when I first set up my website. The SBI model is just one internet marketing model of many that are out there. However, it is definitely one of the most "passive" focused models that there is.

    Basically your task with an SBI site is to essentially write enough content and articles to fill a book, only instead of putting them into a book, you create "evergreen" content on the internet that will receive search engine traffic for years to come. Over the last couple years the SBI people have also been encouraging users to add things like social media integration and things like that, but ultimately the bread and butter is in the "keyword-focused content pages" as they call them.

    The model works, and the system works. The hosting platform is ONLY intended for someone who 1) is not technologically versed enough to use a regular web host efficiently and 2) is ONLY intent on following the SBI business model (create evergreen content to attract search engine traffic which you then monetize).

    Do NOT buy SBI if you want to start a personal blog, or if you want to create a few dozen mini-sites, or anything like that. It's only for following the SBI business model.

    If you start with SBI, the two biggest 'challenges' you will face will firstly be getting through the Action Guide (their instructions for how to build you website), and secondly you will have to write a lot of content in order to be successful. The "passive" income part only comes after you have put in all the work up front to create a great website. It is no push-button software that just deposits money into your hands, because such a system does not exist.

    It is possible that you will start with SBI and then eventually, after maybe a few years, desire to move onto other hosting platforms. Many SBI users do this after becoming successful with SBI. There was one famous SBI'er who moved his website off of SBI only to discover that paying for hosting for his massive website and its traffic cost something like $700/month from a regular web host. But SBI had been hosting at the $30/month price for him for years, since that is their guaranteed rate.

    Anyways, like I said, SBI is a good place to start online if you are just starting out and have never made passive income online before. The business model is legit, but you have to put in the work to research your niche and write a lot of great content for it. You will essentially be a paid writer; except instead of being paid to write each article, you will be paid in passive income for years to come, after you put in all the work upfront.

    Originally Posted by sreejish View Post

    I am going to start a modelling web site.
    Sorry I got so engrossed in writing about SBI that I ignored this statement. Whether SBI is right or not for your modelling website really depends on what technology you will need for the site, and what your intended goals are. If you are only intending to host a bunch of images, then SBI may not be right for you. But if you intend to write a lot about modeling on your website along with images, then it may be the right solution.

    I think SBI does have an image file size limit though, so be aware of that if you will need to host high-res images.

    Originally Posted by EelKat View Post

    but than after you scroll down through her endless hype, you reach the part where a reader asked specifically where the money comes from and she says it's coming from sales of her products and services. I read that and I'm like "Why are you telling me SBI is the reason you earn $90,000 when that money is coming from you selling per/hr services and ebooks to clients?" Wouldn't her services and books would earn the same amount regardless of the webhost she used?

    I'd like to see her post actual income from Google, because that's the traffic based income. She doesn't answer that question when asked, she just said "Google brings in good money". Well, okay, but how much is "good"? :confused: Why is she being so evasive?
    She means she followed the SBI business model to get the website created in the first place. I used to talk with her semi-regularly online in a different forum. She is definitely not lying about her income. She was even interviewed by Steve Pavlina a few years ago. From what I understand, all or most of her product sales are made to traffic that her website receives from the search engines, like pretty much every other SBI site. And since the website was built on the SBI business model, saying that SBI is responsible for it is not a big stretch. After all, SBI provides not just hosting tools, but an education about how to build SEO authority websites as well.

    It's also true that you can follow the SBI model on a different web host. Many SBI'ers transfer to other web hosts after their SBI site becomes successful. This is because SBI is geared towards technology/internet marketing beginners who are just starting out in the online world. After a few years of building a website on their platform, their technology can get a bit limiting for people who want to do "big boy" things like upload 1000 new pages at once or create more interactive websites. But the point of the SBI business model is that nothing too complicated is really necessary to make money online; just a heck of a lot of writing good content.
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  • Profile picture of the author CleverFoxy
    She means she followed the SBI business model to get the website created in the first place. I used to talk with her semi-regularly online in a different forum.
    That's okay but why her dreaming site is on Bluehost now?
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    • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
      Originally Posted by CleverFoxy View Post

      That's okay but why her dreaming site is on Bluehost now?
      A lot of people move their site off SBI once they become successful with it.

      Since SBI's whole system is designed for beginners, once you are no longer a beginner, it might make sense to use a more standard hosting system.

      Also, the SBI education process is just something you learn once and then are familiar with forever, so you can go on to use the same information you learned to start a successful website with a different host, if you want.

      Most of SBI's system is designed so that a technology noob can use it easily. So a lot of people start out on their system with no knowledge of how the internet or website hosting works at all. But then, after a few years of learning the stuff, they are confident and knowledgeable to use a 'real' web host themselves and be successful with it.

      Originally Posted by MattC View Post

      Most Sitesell websites have lost nearly all of their traffic.

      Go on any forum, review, read comments posted by neutral ex-SBI or current SBI siteowners and read the horror stories about what happened to their websites and income. It's pretty soul-destroying.
      Selection bias. Only the people who screwed up, or got screwed by Google, are the ones motivated enough to go rant online about how bad SBI is.

      It's true, in the SBI forums, you see a few users who post about lost traffic. But as the saying goes, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" or "a single crying baby in a theater ruins the show for everyone."

      In other words, the people who complain the loudest, are the ones that get the most attention, because controversy and criticism often attract much more attention than praise.

      For every negative review of SBI that circulates the internet, there are dozens of satisfied SBI users. You just never hear from them because they have more important things to do then constantly rant about how satisfied they are with SBI. (I may be an exception to this, of course :rolleyes

      Also, for some reason, people always assume that if a handful of people who use SBI failed, then SBI itself is a failure. That is a ridiculous claim because no venture in life has a 100% success rate. That would be like saying that if someone from [X] university doesn't get a job after they graduated, then the university is worthless and should be shut down, despite all the other people who graduated and got a job.

      Originally Posted by MattC View Post

      Curtis above is one of these people who is paid by Sitesell to masquerade on forums posting positive reviews which are actually quite misleading when investigated. He will no doubt react strongly to that suggestion, but that is what he is trained to do, so it's understandable.
      I'll take "libel" for $500, Alex.

      I am not paid by anyone at SBI. I don't have any affiliation with them, other than the fact that I have used SBI for years now and am satisfied with their service.

      You, on the other hand, are obviously paid by the SBI haters to come in here and masquerade as a former SBI user in order to build up fake credibility for your criticisms of SBI. Just admit it: you're a paid shill and a liar.

      Originally Posted by MattC View Post

      posting positive reviews which are actually quite misleading when investigated.
      I haven't mislead anyone.

      The first SBI site I ever made has earned me passive income every single month since the first month that I set it up, which was years ago. That's a much better performance than probably 98% of the BS-filled WSO's that you see people peddling on this forum. But I don't see these anti-SBI people talking about those...

      Originally Posted by Adil Vellani View Post

      It's not to say you can't succeed using SBI. Just that you're not likely to succeed because of it. It's totally possible to succeed using SBI if you don't follow their 2003 model of gaming the search engines.

      But then what would be the point of paying $300 for a business model you can't rely on?
      The SBI business model has always been focused on creating great content and turning it into a well-organized website, which gets search engine traffic, which you then monetize.

      That's really all there is to it. I mean, you can see other people doing the exact same thing, totally unrelated to SBI, but they just happened to follow the same type of business model and become successful.

      One example is the website that this guy made for his Niche Site Duel contest.

      He made an authority content website with keyword-focused content pages, and then monetized those pages with Adsense and some other methods. That's essentially identical to the SBI business model.
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  • Profile picture of the author lavinbatra
    I never listen about this site. But after visiting this site, i think that its not an easy task to start your own business using this website services becoz there are millions of websites that provides such services.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adil Vellani
    The days where a host could claim success online for you are gone. There was a time when you could pay to get your site pages listed at the top of MSN and Yahoo, and when web asters used Microsoft Frontpage to 'build' their sites.

    Sitesell and SBI are from that era and belong to that era.

    It's 2013 and anyone with a little common sense can recognize that what worked in 2003 with the search engines isn't very relevant, if at all, in 2013.

    It's not to say you can't succeed using SBI. Just that you're not likely to succeed because of it. It's totally possible to succeed using SBI if you don't follow their 2003 model of gaming the search engines.

    But then what would be the point of paying $300 for a business model you can't rely on?
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    SiteSell itself is amateur these days. It looks like something from 1999-2002 era.
    The site is fully of fluff. "Life-changing impact." -- really? :rolleyes:

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    • Profile picture of the author Adil Vellani
      Curtis:

      Who in their right mind would pay a "hater" to hate on SBI? I don't think Sitesell's competitors (Wordpress + Domain Registrars + Hosting Companies) are shaking in their boots at the prospect of losing business to Sitesell.

      Statistically, Sitesell is too irrelevant on the web for someone to be paid to hate it.

      People do tend to complain about a service when it doesn't deliver, and on the internet, when it doesn't grow and change with the times.

      It is totally reasonable however, for anyone to believe that Sitesell has paid agents to promote it, whether they be affiliates, employees or contractors. It's not so far-fetched as the "paid haters" claim.

      Anyhow, I don't want to get into that.

      What's important is this:

      You keep saying that SBI is designed for the beginner. That's not what it was promoting before Panda/Penguin. Sitesell was clearly promoting SBI as the all in one solution with unmatched rates of success that search engines love.

      And, for a time, that was probably true. But not in 2013. And certainly not since Panda.

      Your argument that people outgrow and move on from SBI when they become successful is not accurate. You should ask the people who outgrew SBI first.

      But when these successful SBIers leave, where do they go?

      They almost always move on to Wordpress and a well-known domain/hosting company. You know, the same Wordpress and hosting companies Sitesell has been known to attack for not having the same rates of success.

      Why would a successful person leave a superior service for an inferior one, assuming SBI is the only solution for the small business entrepreneur on the web?

      Your argument doesn't hold much weight. People outgrow and upgrade services all the time. It usually means they move to something superior, or more cost effective.

      We all know that Wordpress is far superior to SBI for content development, outsourcing, saving drafts, media and versioning. It's scalable, it's open source, and it's free. Yes, free. I'm sure people would be willing to pay for it because it's that good.

      As I said, people can succeed with SBI, but wouldn't be because of SBI. Not in 2013.
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      • Profile picture of the author warlords
        Originally Posted by Adil Vellani View Post

        People can succeed with SBI, but wouldn't be because of SBI.

        That's essentially how I feel about making money...

        People can succeed with WordPress, but wouldn't be because of WordPress.

        People can succeed with blogging, but wouldn't be because of blogging.

        People can succeed with Google, but wouldn't be because of Google.

        People can succeed with AdSense, but wouldn't be because of AdSense.

        People can succeed with AdWords, but wouldn't be because of AdWords.

        People can succeed with Twitter, but wouldn't be because of Twitter.

        People can succeed with SEO, but wouldn't be because of SEO.

        People can succeed with Warrior Forum, but wouldn't be because of Warrior Forum.

        See?

        Tools exist only to help you ease your pain. What pain? The process of making money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adil Vellani
          Warlords:

          Absolutely correct. Tools can also get in your way, and prevent you from thinking outside of the tool/resource.

          This, if you ask a good number of ex-SBI users, is what they feel.
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      • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
        Originally Posted by Adil Vellani View Post

        Curtis:

        Who in their right mind would pay a "hater" to hate on SBI? I don't think Sitesell's competitors (Wordpress + Domain Registrars + Hosting Companies) are shaking in their boots at the prospect of losing business to Sitesell.
        I'm not retarded. I know he's probably not paid by anyone.

        I just wanted him to experience the feeling of having someone else spread blatant lies about him, in front of his face, and him having no way to stop it.

        I am not paid by SBI, and I would appreciate it if he didn't make up lies about me.

        Originally Posted by Adil Vellani View Post

        Your argument that people outgrow and move on from SBI when they become successful is not accurate. You should ask the people who outgrew SBI first.

        But when these successful SBIers leave, where do they go?

        They almost always move on to Wordpress and a well-known domain/hosting company. You know, the same Wordpress and hosting companies Sitesell has been known to attack for not having the same rates of success.

        Why would a successful person leave a superior service for an inferior one, assuming SBI is the only solution for the small business entrepreneur on the web?

        Your argument doesn't hold much weight. People outgrow and upgrade services all the time. It usually means they move to something superior, or more cost effective.
        I'm not denying that many people leave SBI for more comprehensive functionality.

        But you're suggesting that if those same people had never used SBI to begin with, and had started with Wordpress and regular hosting from the beginning, that they would be capable of achieving the same level (or greater) of success than they achieved with SBI, which simply isn't true for the majority of them.

        My argument is that SBI is like an incubator for an internet marketing beginner. The SBI process and system focuses the user into doing only the things that make money: create keyword-based content pages, then monetize them. That's all that is necessary to make a living on the internet, as many successful SBI'ers who have done that and only that have attested to in the past in the SBI forums and elsewhere. All the extra functionality is just icing on the cake, at least from the perspective of the specific SBI business model; which I have admitted openly is just one viable business model of many.

        The people who start with SBI, then 'upgrade' to Wordpress, are like athletes who start lifting 20lb, 30lb, 40lb weights, and then upgrade to 50lb, 60lb weights and higher.

        An very naive person would say "why don't they just start with the heavier weights? They're obviously better because everyone ends up using them eventually!" This totally misses the point that if you start out trying to do the heavy lifting, you're more likely to become injured or just not even be able to do it at all.

        The SBI business model works similarly. It focuses you into a single, working business model. Then, it encourages you to add in side attractions which can further increase your monetization, like social media outreach and maybe a bit of multimedia. Finally, some SBI'ers become sophisticated enough to the point where the SBI system becomes too much of a hindrance to them, so they ditch it for traditional hosting + Wordpress or whatever.

        This is like an athlete ditching the 20lb weights when he upgrades to 40lb weights. They are responsible for getting him to where he is today, but if he only used them now, they would be a hindrance because they aren't capable of providing the training level that he needs.

        Of course, you may retort that there are people who start with Wordpress and do just fine. And that's true. But there are a ridiculously high number of people who start with Wordpress with no education at all (or worse - education that is incorrect, or too much education about too many different things), and end up wasting their time and money and end their internet pursuits in failure. Or worse, they end their pursuits bankrupt after they've bought 100 WSO's and every internet marketing course under the sun but none of it has worked for them because 80% of it was junk and they weren't skilled enough to recognize the 20% that wasn't and just focus on doing only those things that work.

        Originally Posted by Adil Vellani View Post

        We all know that Wordpress is far superior to SBI for content development, outsourcing, saving drafts, media and versioning. It's scalable, it's open source, and it's free. Yes, free. I'm sure people would be willing to pay for it because it's that good.
        Giving all the technology that traditional hosting + Wordpress offers, to a total internet marketing beginner, is like handing a garage full of power tools to a person who has never used a hammer before, and telling him to build a house with them.

        SBI teaches you the baby steps first, then gradually encourages you to step up your game. Eventually, some people become so sophisticated that SBI is a hindrance to them. But again, criticizing SBI for this would be telling a pro athlete that because he can lift 50lbs dumbbells today, he should never have used the 20lb dumbbells to begin with.

        Originally Posted by Adil Vellani View Post

        As I said, people can succeed with SBI, but wouldn't be because of SBI. Not in 2013.
        Of course it's not 'because' of SBI. A house doesn't get built 'because' of a schematic and some power tools. It gets built by hard work following a plan of action. But you will need tools to get it done, and a plan to follow. SBI offers both.

        Originally Posted by MarcusFBN View Post

        That to me makes a lot more sense than getting stuck into a $300 per year system hoping for the best while the rest of the Coolaid drinkers and planted Moles in the Sitesell Forums are cheering you on to add more and more content (or pay for extra Sitesell services) while you are on a rudderless dinghy in the middle of the Atlantic.
        You know, a lot of those Koolaid drinkers are making more money than you are. :rolleyes:

        Also, only broke people gripe about $300 a year. That's $25/month, less than $1/day. My first SBI site was making more than that by like... month 2 or 3.

        Originally Posted by MarcusFBN View Post

        In these times you need to very shrewd with the Internet traffic that you get, and you want a course that will show you how to make the most $ from that traffic,
        I always hear critics of SBI say something like this. But I've literally never heard any of them actually recommend a specific course to follow.

        Got any suggestions? And please don't say "just browse the Warrior forum for ideas" because that's like saying "You don't need a college degree, just go read articles on Wikipedia until you feel educated."
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcusFBN
    Wow, some folks are still seriously considering Sitesell!?
    I thought that goose was cooked:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...sells-sbi.html

    Do you really want to get stuck into:

    1) A proprietary website building system - i.e. a total pain in the behind when you want to move your website. (You'll have to change your entire website structure, even the include files, blogging systen, their content 2 Google penalty attractor etc. etc. SHOOT ME NOW!!)

    2) $300 - $350 PER site, PER YEAR, every year for the rest of your life!

    3) A forum full of total amateurs. (That's who Sitesell attracts - hobbyists.)

    4) No clear monetization strategy. (Build it and they will come. LOL. But you don't know the who, and the what. And post Panda & Penguin, IF they will even come.)

    I suggest:
    Search for a good clear monetization strategy here on Warrior Forum, there are plenty of helpful affiate marketers, and you know the other marketers are not shy about being honest in their reviews here.
    Most courses usually have a once off fee and you can get started on Wordpress and the host of your choice.
    Perhaps build 3 micro sites for the cost of a domain each (compare that to the $1000 it would cost you with Sitesell). See which site gains traction, and if you feel the urge, you can build it out, and then scale the system.

    That to me makes a lot more sense than getting stuck into a $300 per year system hoping for the best while the rest of the Coolaid drinkers and planted Moles in the Sitesell Forums are cheering you on to add more and more content (or pay for extra Sitesell services) while you are on a rudderless dinghy in the middle of the Atlantic.

    When you are starting out you need clear instructions on how to get from A to B.
    Sitesell is a content building system that used to attract organic traffic pre Panda & Penguin, but it has no clear monetization strategies (other than random articles spread all over their Forums) other than to slap Adsense on your site.

    In these times you need to very shrewd with the Internet traffic that you get, and you want a course that will show you how to make the most $ from that traffic, you DO NOT want a system that teaches you to prostitute all your hard work to the lowest bidder like MediaAds, Chitika etc.
    Those days are gone.
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    • Profile picture of the author merpmerp
      Originally Posted by MarcusFBN View Post

      3) A forum full of total amateurs. (That's who Sitesell attracts - hobbyists.)
      Here is a typical question asked in the Sitesell forum:

      Hey everyone,

      I really hope someone can help me.

      I have had my site for almost a year now.

      And after steady increase during the entire time, then back in mid-July I experienced a very sudden drop in traffic

      I didn't really know what could be the problem, but I have gone through all the Panda checklists etc. on the site here and made some changes. (especially that I had an ad at the top of the page) I haven't done anything else intentionally bad so it feels pretty tough with this drop after a full year of hard work

      I was going to send a reconsideration request to Google, but then learnt that they made that one only available for those with specific remarks.

      So now I feel pretty lost, what can I do?
      Any suggestions or perhaps things you see on my site that must be changed?
      How long do I have to wait for Google to check again?

      I appreciate all help

      and here is a typical answer:

      My suggestion is to relax, enjoy life and wait for the 60/60/P2 study that should be out soon, at least part 1. In my humble opinion, to try and 'fix" things at the moment, might actually do more harm than good.

      Regardless, try to not get overly distraught. Life throws us a mixture of roses and thorns. Enjoy the roses and embrace the thorns.


      Meanwhile, this guy is looking for specific help/
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    Also, only broke people gripe about $300 a year.
    I don't think it's about being broke, but more about what SBI offers and what you can get for this money elsewhere. Maybe it made sense to pay this price 5-6 years when their training was still up to date, their technology didn't seem THAT painfully outdated like it is now. Also, it adds up fast if you have 10-20 sites (or even 200+ like some people here).

    In any case, it's a matter of preference. Some people need the feeling of belonging and SBI gives them that, some just don't want to do this alone. While in my opinion it's a complete illusion and in SBI they don't have a very good company anyway, I get how some people might feel differently.
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