Merge of World Ventures and Success University...

15 years ago

Please comment those who are in these companies. I would love to hear what you think. If you aren't a member of this forum, then register and come post ASAP. Plus, you'll learn a ton from other marketers in this forum. It's the best for IM in my opinion.

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Loren Woirhaye 15 years ago

With the movement of "the free line" much educational
content similar to what SU offers is now available free
on the internet - just look at the great stuff put out for
recent product launches.

Add to that the explosion of network marketing training
videos posted to YouTube and it starts to become
a question of whether SuccessUniversity as a product
model is viable anymore.

I was in it briefly a few years ago and was unimpressed
with the quality of the product at the time - half the
videos stalled or had unintelligible audio. I'm sure the
product improved but people will generally ask "why should
I pay for video training when there is so much on YouTube
for free?"

This may seem like a grim and cynical assessment, but
I've seen the way the network marketing industry works
and when a company is sold or absorbed it is usually
a sign of trouble distributors don't know about yet.
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supertrips.info 15 years ago

Please comment those who are in these companies. I would love to hear what you think. If you aren't a member of this forum, then register and come post ASAP. Plus, you'll learn a ton from other marketers in this forum. It's the best for IM in my opinion.

Hi I am in world ventures and i think it is a great company it works nothing like a timeshare but you can save hundreds on travel and make commissions! But to be honest you have to work at it to keep the money flowing if interrested I can give anyone more details please check out my site supertrips.info

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artwebster

15 years ago

Success University for me was one of my more notable mistakes.

It took me a while to realise that although the training was 'interesting' (I had no intentions of being an internet marketer at this point but wanted an insight into the 'new' sales vehicle) it was not immediate and comprehensive enough for people like myself to learn in a step by step manner. There was simply too much information and little advice of how to organise it all - let alone any indication of how all the different parts fitted together.

It seemed to me that the whole purpose and drive was the recruitment of more members - something in which I was not interested.

There are other 'university' style training programmes available today and those I have looked at are geared towards a modular style of training that takes the student from wannabe to marketer in incremental and logical steps.

Then, of course, there is the Warrior Forum.

SU has continued. apparently, along the road it set out on and not realised that what had been the main highway is now a footpath. The built in redundancy has finally surfaced.

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coachanton 15 years ago

Hi Jeremy,

I agree totally with you.

I am currently a member with Success University- a couselor and run my business completely online

FYI (The best way to build ANY networkmarketing business)

I love/loved this company, and what is stands for.....

I find it totally incredible that the company is about to implement some MAJOR changes to the comp plan, pricing, and on top that- limit certain countries from participating in the business model...

SU was supposed to be the dream opportunity that transcended all boarders, allowing anyone with an internet connection and a thirst for knowledge and education to start up their own online business.

Now it seems that dream is going to come crashing down as many people will find themselves locked out of their SU businesses.

If the way of the future is building realtionships online and therefore building businesses- Success University would of appeared to have turned it's back on the thousands of internet marketers passionate about building a better future online.

Building an MLM opportnity over the interenet is the way of the future...in fact it's the way of the present....

I hope SU wakes up in time, before thousands of internet marketers leave the company in droves!

Saddened & confused SU member
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monsur

15 years ago

Originally Posted by artwebster

Success University for me was one of my more notable mistakes.

It took me a while to realise that although the training was 'interesting' (I had no intentions of being an internet marketer at this point but wanted an insight into the 'new' sales vehicle) it was not immediate and comprehensive enough for people like myself to learn in a step by step manner. There was simply too much information and little advice of how to organise it all - let alone any indication of how all the different parts fitted together.

It seemed to me that the whole purpose and drive was the recruitment of more members - something in which I was not interested.

There are other 'university' style training programmes available today and those I have looked at are geared towards a modular style of training that takes the student from wannabe to marketer in incremental and logical steps.

Then, of course, there is the Warrior Forum.

SU has continued. apparently, along the road it set out on and not realised that what had been the main highway is now a footpath. The built in redundancy has finally surfaced.

I also agree with you

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Asher

15 years ago

Hello Jeremy,

I am a student of Success University as well and this information
is truly shocking... I do hope that this isn't true. I'm still building
my biz and things are just getting to a nice start.

I'm warming up my list nicely already and if S.U. decides to go
a different route... I don't know what I'll do. Crud, hope they don't
do anything stupid.

Asher

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trussvegas 15 years ago

Thank you, Jeremy, for your post. I began my journey with Success University in June 2008 and have to-date personally enrolled over 50 members and have 121 in my downline. I, too, marketed my SU business 100% online - which allowed me to become a Counselor in 3 weeks' time . Not bad for using mostly free online advertising methods. I feel strongly that my success and the success of several members in my downline was due to the low-entry enrollment of just $2 for a 14 day trial period. Most students enroll at least one new member during their 14 day trial. You and I are both fortunate enough to be on the same team as Jason Cardamone, who has done a great job at putting together our team sales pages and secret training site, which introduced me to a whole new world of how to advertise online without using PPC. And the online marketing training that you provide on our weekly conference calls is great! :-)

It does sadden me as well that Success University would partner with World Ventures. Not that I have anything against World Ventures.... I just absolutely hate to travel. No kidding. Just ask my husband and children. Having said this, I honestly don't see how I can effectively market a travel business. Sure, people market things all the time that they don't believe in, but aren't we taught by SU and all the other training available that someone is supposed to believe in their product first? Personal development is a great product. But partnered with a travel business? I don't see the connection. Perhaps over the coming days as the announcements are made here in the US it will make more sense.

I am sure that this merger with World Ventures will undoubtedly make a lot of the top earners in SU even more wealthy - as their humongous downlines jump into this new marketing model in hopes of having just one more thing that could make them money. However, for people with a low advertising budget recruiting new members in a travel business is difficult at best. The competition online for marketing a travel business is fierce. And, becoming a member of SU will surely cost more once the merger with WV is complete.

For now, I plan on remaining a member of Success University. I have invested a lot of time and money marketing my own sales pages online with the current business model. I will make a final decision after the 'dust settles' on the upcoming announcements.
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- trussvegas 15 years ago
  
  We just got the official memo from Matt Morris regarding the merger with Success University and World Ventures. I read this memo several times and can't really see a downside to this merger at this time (other than I HATE to travel!)
  
  From what I read, all members of Success University as of June 1, 2009 will have a free membership to market World Ventures either alone or as part of the SU enrollment process. So what this means is that if someone wants to get into World Ventures, then the best way to do that and save a ton of money would be to join Success University and wait until June 1, 2009 - where they will then receive a free World Ventures account to sell travel plans. Pretty nifty marketing trick, wouldn't you say?
  
  World Ventures will be moving into 10 of the countries that SU is in... for those countries that World Ventures is not currently in at this time, then those "students" will receive FREE training from Success University until World Ventures is able to do business in their country.
  
  The comp plan seems to be pretty fair and allows all students that cycle to receive more commissions. Up to 6 1/2 times more commissions at that.
  
  Success University is waiving the re-activation fee for those students who have been inactive for 90 days. They can simply get back into the program by paying their $49.95 membership fee and then after June 1, 2009 they will be able to sell travel plans as well (either separate or together with SU)
  
  There are a lot of other good points in that memo as well... and I think are worth looking into as it appears this merger has been structured to support both existing and new SU students monetarily short-term and long-term.
  
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AdamHolland

15 years ago

I just wrote about this on my blog too. When I started promoting SU, it was because it's a PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT company... I promote GRN, which is a TRAVEL company, too... and now I'd have a total conflict of interest.. WTF!

So, needless to say I'll just be promoting different opps now and anything having to do with personal development: I'll just promote SimpleTruths and TonyRobbins affiliate programs...

And this REALLY ticks me off because I JUST setup a brand new site to promote SU.. I spent money on a viral inviter software, I put money and time into copy, graphics, one-time-offers, not to mention writing an entire F'in ebook!!! OMFG!

I'm so upset I need to go read a "positive thinking book" asap... ;-)

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coachanton 15 years ago

Adam- to make you feel better about the changes with SU...put yourself in my shoes- I spent nearly 3 years building, and thousands of dollars promoting my Success University Business, and as of June 1st the company will dissolve my business, and make me a just a customer...

Oh they'll be giving me access to SU for free (minus the mailings) for the inconvenience- they are just going to cut my commissions and prevent me from promoting the opportunity...

If ever a time is needed to dive into personal development- that time is now!
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- fojack 15 years ago
  
  Hi coachanton
  
  Im rerally really sorry for your situation and what success university has done to you. Im involved in su myself and am really peeved with the announcements.
  
  Here is why...
  
  1) Look at coachanton (Why would he ever again get involved in mlm)?. He has put his life and soul into it and yet again a decision is made and bang, commissions gone
  
  2) this stuff gives mlm a bad name. I have been involved in 2 mlm's now. SFI and su. SFI a few years back changed the comp plan and bang, a rake of people lost huge incomes over-night. Now su have been sold. I dont believe "merger". There is no announcements on the world-ventures site about them merging with su, is there.
  
  I love the idea of mlm but at the end of the day, you are putting yourself and your dreams in the hands of someone else. once the rules change, so do your commissions.
  
  Id appreciate some feeback
  
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  112703 15 years ago
  
  Jack,
  
  You are absolutely right! That's exactly what can happen in MLM when you are building someone else's business. That's why it's really important to capture your leads before you funnel them into your MLM's business. That way, if anything happens to the MLM company, you still have your list. If you are staying in touch with them via email on a regular basis, they will be loyal to you and just may follow you into your next exciting venture!
  
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mrtravel 15 years ago

"and now, I'd have a total conflict of interest"
......AdamHolland (msg #9)

Adam.....

I respect whatever your conflict might be...you are "right" simply because it is YOUR business and you are working it from your own 'comfort zone' and what fits best for your enterprise.

I, on the other hand, see it as a perfect compliment to your GRN program, as you now have 'something else' in travel for those who can't afford a Big Ticket item but they still want to be involved in the travel arena. WV could be a solution for them.

Two types of people: 1) those who don't want anything to do with a program where you have to recruit half the state of Texas just to make any significant money; they don't want anything to do with MLM; they want "NOW" money....so offer them GRN. 2) those who are tired of constantly hustling to make a 'new' sale...no new sales, no money. Direct Sales is not their cup of tea. They might prefer to work hard to build an 'organization' over time and override it month after month....offer them WV.

The key is, you are in the 'Travel' busines..."now, Mr. Prospect (who is interested in travel), let's find out what your needs are and let's find a model that would suit you best."

Anyway, Adam...just another perspective. All the Best in whatever you decide to do.
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- coachjc 15 years ago
  
  I need to set a few things straight for everyone.
  
  First, why I'm "qualified":
  - I was an Executive Director in Success University and one of the top leaders.
  - I built my Success University business 100% through internet marketing. Being so - I had a HUGE amount of people on my team affected by the merger...a few of whom have already commented above. (I had a very "international" base of team members compared to other teams that just build locally.)
  - I am very close to Matt Morris and I know his true intentions behind this.
  - I am passionate about helping others, growing network marketing through internet marketing, and making the world a better place. (This is subjective - but just wanted to let you know where my heart is.)
  
  I personally was NOT excited about the merger when I first heard about it...especially when I found out a few of my top team leaders were about to lose their checks. However, I did my research on WorldVentures, and I found out it is literally one of the fastest growing network marketing companies in the 65 history of network marketing. I figured there must be a reason for this...so I continued to do extensive research. I am now endorsing WorldVentures 100%.
  
  Part of my extensive research included several phone calls and face to face visits with Matt Morris. I wanted to know the truth from him. I had parts of me that thought "he's just doing his for money"...but my intuition told me different as I know Matt Morris as a person filled with honesty & compassion for doing positive things in the world.
  
  You see, Matt's vision for Success University was expressed through the Mission & Vision for Success U:
  Mission - "To transform lives through education."
  Vision - "To create a positive shift in the world."
  
  Matt did NOT do this merger to "sell out" - He did it because WorldVentures is a vehicle to make a bigger, more positive shift in the world, more quickly. You see, many people don't know, WorldVentures is ALL about personal development. It definitely does not appear to be on the surface, but all of the training and everything "inside" the company is geared around personal development. (or - from the Mission statement above - "education") Also - The entire Success University Learning Center is now included as part of what WorldVentures offers in their back office - They obviously highly value personal development enough to create a new product for their existing members.
  
  Matt joined with WorldVentures because it is literally one of the fastest growing companies in the history of network marketing...
  He knows that while a small percentage of existing Success University members will be negatively affected in the short term, that the positive impact will grow MUCH more exponentially powered by a company like World Ventures, and that we'll be right back into those countries again before too long.
  
  Imagine this...
  If you created an incredible product online, and you KNEW it was changing people's lives in a good way - it makes sense to partner up with Mike Filsaime, Ewen Chia, etc...and get them to promote it as well?
  No - I'm not saying that I'm happy that some people in Success University were negatively affected...that flat out sucks. It also sucks several were on my team...some of this affected some of the closest people in my life.
  ...but here's another REALLY great thing that is coming out of all of this...and you can read my teammates comments above which agree...
  This has made us realize that you MUST bullet proof your business and instead of having a network marketing company "own" your paycheck and assets...you must own "You, Inc." (As described by Mike Dillard)
  
  Matt Morris taught me a huge lesson about 1 year ago. It is reflected in thousands of works of personal development material...paraphrased in my words here:
  - "Everything in life is a lesson, or a "test". I am 100% responsible for EVERYTHING in my life. I can choose to look at the negative aspects of events, or I can CHOOSE to look at the positive and learn from every lesson presented to me. I am GRATEFUL for every test in my life, for it makes me a stronger leader and person."
  
  ...I couldn't find the exact right words there as I'm getting ready to play outside w/ my 4 & 2 year olds....but...
  
  - I personally will be promoting WorldVentures as one of my "back end" products in my sales funnel. (I LOVE travel and LOVE everything that World Ventures stands for...do your research.) I WAS one of the people promoting a network marketing company straight out front...for like 2 years. It does work and does have some advantages...but there are alternatives too...
  - I personally am using this recent event not only to make MORE money than ever before, but to further protect my online empire by building a stronger sales funnel, a stronger business, more independence, and stronger leaders in my organizations!
  - I am grateful for this event as it has created MUCH stronger leaders on my team, at least 3 of which have already commented above.
  
  Please don't take a lack of response from me as me avoiding any future comments here on WarriorForum. I'll check back as often as I can and reply...although I believe everything I have to say is expressed above.
  
  If anyone is reading this that wants more information about WorldVentures, or wants info about growing YOUR network marketing business successfully online, contact me anytime. (and no - I will NOT try to "sell" you on WorldVentures - you either see it or you don't...I'm here to help people grow network marketing by using internet marketing.)
  
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Loren Woirhaye

15 years ago

Lots of folks believe they are building their own business
when working with an MLM. They are not - they are building
somebody else's business as a commissioned salesperson.

What this means is that when it is to their advantage the
owners of the company can do whatever they choose.

That's business. That's what you get when you allow the
money to go through somebody else's hands instead of moving
from the customer directly to you.

I am not saying network marketing is bad. Just that you can be
and should expect to be eventually screwed-over by any multi-level
program you participate in.

In direct selling programs (the better ones, IMO) you collect the money,
run the sales through your own merchant account, and pay the
company the wholesale price to ship the product. While some
distributors abuse this factor it also gives YOU more power in the
relationship.

MLM stinks. You can make money with it. You can be happy with
it. But it stinks and you can get taken for a ride at any time.
I have done it a few times but always come to my senses and
taken a hard look at the business model.

The lure of residual income and low price-barrier to getting started
is what lures people in.

Just because Multi-levels stink doesn't make them bad or evil or
wrong to participate in. They are what they are - businesses
that create the illusion of power for distributors but actually
keep all power centralized and controlled.

I am not saying mlm stinks as a hard judgement - because I
am a networker too and I've done MLM and I won't say I will
never do MLM again.

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cscarpero

15 years ago

Honestly, I'm surprised they stayed around as an independent company this long. I did it for about a year a couple years ago. I sponsored quite a few people, but it quickly became apparent that most members could care less about personal development and were just in it for the quick buck. When they didn't make money, they quickly disappeared. Now that I know a little more about MLM laws, I'm surprised that the FTC has not gotten involved with this. It's a shame, because I've met Matt Morris and personally I think he's a really great guy.

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coachanton 15 years ago

This is for Fojack, and all those who feel upset over the changes happening to Success University.

Thanks Fojack for your feedback, and to answer your question-

Look at coachanton (Why would he ever again get involved in mlm)?. He has put his life and soul into it and yet again a decision is made and bang, commissions gone
The honest truth is, I still believe in the power of network marketing, and the business structure....

I have no fight with Matt Morris or Success University.

And yes I will ALWAYS be involved with some Network Marketing company is some shape or form.......just involved on a completely different level than 90% people out there.

In fact, what I need to do is thank Success University, for cementing in mind even more strongly the idea, that you should NEVER rely on just one stream of income (online) for your business livelihood.

I've read books, listen to Audios, watched videos, completed multiple courses and have even spoken with BIG name, full time internet marketers, who have told me, time and time again, never put all your eggs in one basket, and ONLY ever use your MLM company as ONE source of income....

That lesson came home is a BIG way, a few days ago...

Luckily for me, I have been working on other side projects for over a year now, so I do in fact have a PLAN B,C &D....

Like I've said before, I just feel sorry for others less fortunate- or less educated, who did not even have a plan B!

For all those out there disillusioned by the dream of MLM riches (or at least freedom from their 9-5)....there are ways to incorporate MLM into an overall business plan-

(If you want to learn more, check out the FREE report in my signature below...)

What everyone has to remember is- if you want to make it BIG in MLM..there are two ways to go about.

1. Be a person- or become a person with a large influence, huge numbers of contacts (high quality contacts even better, great communication skills, sales skills, listening skills, leadership skills, business and organizational skills, public speaking skills, phone skills, a strong understanding of psychology, an advertising budget in the thousands per month, PLUS a never give up attitude...

Not too much to ask to achieve the "Dream" is it?

Your second option is:

2. become proficient in marketing over the internet....learn how to market to your target market(fish) instead of going after sales right of the bat (hunting)...

know where the fish are....hone your fishing skills, drop "attractive" bait into the right spots, and wait for the fish to bite....

Now notice the FIRST option contained a lot of intangible skills.....meaning skills that are quite hard to teach....

The people who have or achieve those skill sets, make up about 10% of the people who will get involved in MLM...

This will answer (in a very compact way) WHY 90% of all people who get involved in MLM fail...

Now for the good news....re-read option #2.

"become proficient in marketing over the internet...."

This CAN be taught...

What will happen when you start grasping these new ideas and teachings, and start implementing them, you WILL see ACTUAL results much faster than you would through traditional avenues.

Once you start enrolling more people, signing people up, selling more product, get starting building YOUR own list, monetising that list, and receiving multiple checks in the mail from various sources...

Your sales skills will- increase
Your communication Skills will improve
Your leadership skills- improve naturally
Your listening skills- improve
Your circle of influence- increases

And the most important aspect of this of this learning curve is...your general attitude and belief in your self and YOUR business will literally go through the roof!

Notice how these "intangible" skills get better naturally, as an offshoot of your internet marketing skills increasing!!

This is what 99% of traditional MLM trainings fails to teach...

I hope this posting, challenged a few paradigms out there...

Remember never cease your education and through adversity greatness may come!!

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Mustang Sally

15 years ago

Hey there,

I joined S.U in November of 2008. It changed my entire outlook on life. I only heard about the merging on the sideline this evening and decided to dig a little deeper and that's how I came across this forum.

I'll be attending a meeting on Tuesday where Kalpesh Patel will be doing a presentation on the above mentioned topic. I'll be sure to let you all know what I think...

Until then, God bless.

Magda.

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Kirk Ward

15 years ago

This thread has been an interesting to me, because several years ago I explored the free introduction to Success University and was impressed with their pitch, but did not see any value in their content, so I decided not to continue.

I am wondering if the anyone could list details of what Success University had that attracted them, and how that has changed over the years, and how being absorbed by this travel company will change?

The "benefits" I saw when I visited were all video lessons that essentially smelled like sales pitches from the person giving the lecture. I did not see any real training courses that I felt could teach me much of anything.

Beyond that, all income seemed to be based on continual recruiting, and very little product.

Please help me understand what it was that they had, and what kept you motivated as a distributor or recruiter.

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fojack 15 years ago

Hi Guys,

I agree, SU has really helped me with the importance of self education and of it there is no doubt.

However, from experience when an mlm company changes the goalposts, it can happen again.

We are fundamentally taught in personal development above any other rule is the ability to take responsibility.

I believe in Life, to utilmately be 100% responsible, you must set a target for yourself to be able to write your own paycheck..

I 100% agree with coachanton. Never rely on your mlm for all your income from your business.

Whether changes are for good or bad is another matter. My beef is when the rules are changes and people lose commissions overnight.

Thats not correct and I dont care how they dress it up

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coachjc

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kirk Ward

This thread has been an interesting to me, because several years ago I explored the free introduction to Success University and was impressed with their pitch, but did not see any value in their content, so I decided not to continue.

I am wondering if the anyone could list details of what Success University had that attracted them, and how that has changed over the years, and how being absorbed by this travel company will change?

The "benefits" I saw when I visited were all video lessons that essentially smelled like sales pitches from the person giving the lecture. I did not see any real training courses that I felt could teach me much of anything.

Beyond that, all income seemed to be based on continual recruiting, and very little product.

Please help me understand what it was that they had, and what kept you motivated as a distributor or recruiter.

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Kirk Ward

Hello Kirk,

While I personally focused on the "business side" of Success U...I always introduced other people to the personal development side as I am an avid devourer of PD material. (Is devourer even a word?)

The majority who join network marketing, or actually the majority of EVERYONE, is clueless about the importance of personal development...so there was quite a lot of great material in the back office for "the majority". I personally enjoyed getting to know some of the different speakers/leaders in SU...and went on from there to buy some of their products.
Most notably in my mind - Jerry Clark had a GREAT 1 hour session on personality types (the 4 colors), and the Jim Rohn 1 year Success Plan was an integral part of my team.

I always pictured SU as a gateway introduction to a very wide array of personal development topics, from which a student could always venture further into. I felt like a few of the courses had tinges of "sales pitches" in them, but the minority of them were like this. The company really stepped it up when they started sending out CD's & a DVD every month, most of it was killer material and worth well more than the $50/month tuition alone. (IMO)

PS - To give some better perspective on the above - I've personally put well over $10,000 into into my internet network marketing and personal development education in the past 3 years.

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supertrips.info

15 years ago

Originally Posted by coachjc

I think you have some legit points MLM Expert...but I have a different opinion on some of it. Here's one example I'd love to know the "real" answer from what you said here:

Dr. Charles King says differently. Maybe I'm too new to MLM, but I have a full audio review from Dr. Charles King rating WorldVentures "A" across the board in every category. (The MLM guy from University of Chicago)
Granted the recording was from their 18 or 24 month mark. (I forgot which)

So instead of arguing about this...why don't you tell me...what ARE the numbers of the fastest growing companies in the history of the industry? (at 1, 2, 3 years)

Originally Posted by coachjc

Hello Kirk,

While I personally focused on the "business side" of Success U...I always introduced other people to the personal development side as I am an avid devourer of PD material. (Is devourer even a word?)

The majority who join network marketing, or actually the majority of EVERYONE, is clueless about the importance of personal development...so there was quite a lot of great material in the back office for "the majority". I personally enjoyed getting to know some of the different speakers/leaders in SU...and went on from there to buy some of their products.
Most notably in my mind - Jerry Clark had a GREAT 1 hour session on personality types (the 4 colors), and the Jim Rohn 1 year Success Plan was an integral part of my team.

I always pictured SU as a gateway introduction to a very wide array of personal development topics, from which a student could always venture further into. I felt like a few of the courses had tinges of "sales pitches" in them, but the minority of them were like this. The company really stepped it up when they started sending out CD's & a DVD every month, most of it was killer material and worth well more than the $50/month tuition alone. (IMO)

PS - To give some better perspective on the above - I've personally put well over $10,000 into into my internet network marketing and personal development education in the past 3 years.

can you email me advice on how to get my world ventures company moving jason cardamone i am having a hard time in getting people in

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fojack

15 years ago

sorry just makes me really really angry when people get sold out like that....

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connormoore

15 years ago

I've been a student with SU for 18 months now, I attended the London conference last year too which I throughly enjoyed. I also believe that teaching yourself is very important so you can live your life and the material they have is great.

I'm only 20, and a premium member. I've tried lots of different ways to market this business and not had any more tha 20 prospects in 12 months, thats using the pips and imsp's, ezines, traffic exchanges and auto-responders, none of which has worked for me and i'm really struggling. I know what i want, I have lots of drive and I spend a couple of hours a day trying to build my team, I know what my dream is and I will acheive it, but I needs some help to guide me along the right track to building success university. So does anyone have some advise to help me?

Sorry I was getting off track but it does ties into what i have to say about the merger:

Yes, the new commission plan looks fantastic, but it would only work for those who have already built a team and are already earning.....at the moment. I now feel it's going to be even harder to get new students at a cost of $299 just to register though and to get rid of the 14-day trial is a huge blow out for us, I think they need to think abit more about the marketing plan, I just feel they're probably getting 'comfortable' with the number of students they have and don't feel they need so many more so soon...

Come on Matt, I thought you wanted it to be a household name? Esecially in the recession, people who want a new business opportunity probably won't have $299 available.....

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coachanton

15 years ago

Hi Connormore,

Some advice from me, would be to stop doing what 90% of other internet maketers out there do, by promoting their MLM right of the bat, and start creating content on the web using various web 2.0 tactics, social media, and start building yourself first...people don't really buy into an MLM online becuase of that particular MLM (it's only a small part of the reason if it is).....MLM's are a dime a dozen.....people sign up online once they're "SOLD" on YOU!!

Start thinking outside the square, and start promoting yourself.....(don't know how check out the link in my signature)

I know exactly how you feel Connormore, I was once like you, and was throwing money and time at Pay per click, ezines, solo's, traffic exchanges, even wacking down thousands of dollars into advertising coops run by so called marketing experts who apparently had my best interests at heart- and at the end of the day my ROI was appalling.

I've since then learned more effective, and more importantly cost effective marketing tatics, which I now teach to clients and fellow team mates.

Remember build value in "YOU" and the people will come!

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Mustang Sally 15 years ago

As you already know, I went to the presentation and I was blown away, but not in the postive way...

I was so impressed with Success University when I joined them, it truely changed my whole outlook on life and the personal development programs they provide made me a better person, mother, wife and friend. Since I grew up very poor and didn't finish school or any of those important things in life, this was my opportunity of a lifetime. It was everything I could have ever dreamed to achieve in my miserable life!

They teach us to know and love the product, and I did. I am so enthusiastic and everyone that knows me, noticed this extreme change in me. How am I supposed to love the product if I don't believe in it the way I used to?
In my personal opinion, somebody somewhere got greedy and forgot about everything they taught us... Whatever happened to creating a positive shift in the world? Helping people believe in themselves again?

I feel lost and helpless, I don't know where to start, where I'm going or what I'm supposed to do now?

I am determined to get ahead in life, I want to be able to look back and say with all honesty "I lived my life!" I need to do something, My children's future depends on it.

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TelegramSam

15 years ago

Hi guys,

I don't know anything about this organisation, however I have had similar things happen to me and friends over the years.

This kind of corporate restructuring / selling off happens all the time.

Don't forget the owners usually want to build something up and sell it for a good price sooner or later.

Sometimes the consequences of this can be harsh.

The lesson from this kind of thing, is to never rely too much on one source of income or on something that you have very little control over.

Build your own companies if you can and control your own destinies...

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Kurt Henninger

15 years ago

From an outsiders perspective....I think its a HUGE shame.

The "old" Success U had an awesome offer to get people in the door.

Honestly one of the best MLM business offers I've seen out there ever. It was well built for internet network marketing.

Merging with a travel company. I just don't get it. Travel companies do very well on their own (most notably GRN or Coastal Vacations) but I don't get the merger of a company like SU with a travel company.....just too confusing. What exactly is the "product" they are selling now is my question?

IMO, they are going to lose a lot of members and business builders as a result.

I wish all of you who are sticking with it the greatest of luck though.....SU was a great product.

Again, just from an outside perspective.

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INFOSEEKER-2009

15 years ago

I agree - wierd bizness model now ...

Originally Posted by Kurt Henninger

From an outsiders perspective....I think its a HUGE shame.

The "old" Success U had an awesome offer to get people in the door.

Honestly one of the best MLM business offers I've seen out there ever. It was well built for internet network marketing.

Merging with a travel company. I just don't get it. Travel companies do very well on their own (most notably GRN or Coastal Vacations) but I don't get the merger of a company like SU with a travel company.....just too confusing. What exactly is the "product" they are selling now is my question?

IMO, they are going to lose a lot of members and business builders as a result.

I wish all of you who are sticking with it the greatest of luck though.....SU was a great product.

Again, just from an outside perspective.

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da3gan

15 years ago

Hey guys,

I just found this thread and decided to post. I joined SU back at the beginning. For almost 5 years now I've gotten checks in the mail every single month (and week) from SU. The company and it's vision changed my life.

I know Matt and Johnny to be fantastic people. Personally I'm with holding my opinion in this open forum until I understand more about the nature of this change. I, like others above, know Matt to be a person of vision not of greed. Quiet possibly one of THE best people I've ever met.

My personal confusion about all this stems from the vision Matt had for SU way back in the early days. It was a grand vision, but it wasn't this.

Much of my personal team, which was getting close to 8700 or so people before the merger was international and are now gone. I remember building with these guys. Putting in work and seeing them succeed.

The thing that leaves a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth is many of these guys relied on SU as their primary source of income and "LIVED" the opportunity. For their hard work to amount to a free account in a new company doesn't seem just for all they did to help build SU locally in their emerging markets.

I know Matt had to take all of this into consideration when making the change and my intuition tells me that SU, in it's current format, had hit it's apex (100,000 in 5 years ain't shabby for guy who started from his apartment in Dallas with a dream) and Matt had to make some hard decisions to further his vision that has cost a lot of people.

Matt would only do this if his vision demanded it. Tough choices come to us all in life and I'm sure this was one of Matt's toughest.

Personally, I don't know if this new version of SU is what fits me. And I kinda take this as something of a sign. Although I've certainly diversified my own income over the years I've kept my main training internet network marketing and that of growing one company as the main focus and creating multiple streams of income as secondary.

Maybe this is a sign to really change the scape of what I personally share and teach to more info marketing than building an info business to build an MLM. Far easier to make $1,000,000 with your own info business than in an MLM that's for sure.

I'm sure my SU checks won't be what they used to be, but heck that's ok. You gotta roll with the punches in life. I'm more concerned for those that worked with internationally who no longer have an income despite their efforts.

I just hope anyone that's had that happen in this circumstance doesn't see the lose of income as a sign of failure. It was something out of your control. It affects us all and it's just one of life's test.

Let go and move on. Redefine. Rebuild bigger, better, and with far more security by adding your own information marketing component to your business as well proactively and aggressively creating multiple streams of income to reduce long term risk.

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MLM Expert

15 years ago

As someone who is considered an MLM legend in the U.S. (my partner and I each have over 25 years of experince, and in 2 programs prior to our current opportunity we built combined teams of over 600,000 distributors, generated group sales of $2 billion, had numerous people on our teams earn from a few hundred all the way up to $100,000 a month and more, and we earned a 7 figure yearly income and now top leaders in a rapidly growing, 4 year old, international company recently featured on the covers of Success magazine and Direct Selling News), I think I'm somewhat qualified to share some expertise regarding this thread.

First, the fact that Success University has failed (they're calling it a "merger") is not suprising! 98% of companies fail within their first 4 years..getting involved with companies when they first launch is trying to beat the odds, not putting the odds of success in your favor! (The rationale is that those that get in the groundfloor make the most money which is a myth! That is not how the biggest incomes are earned!)

By the way, the failure rate in the traditional business world over the fist 5 years for new stores that open or new franchises that start is about the same percentage as that of companies in the network marketing industry that fail..yet you don't hear people running around claiming that opening a store or buying x franchise is a scam!

Second, there has never been a successful, long term personal development program succeed in network marketing! TPN tried and failed as did others, and that was before Success U. (Now you can add Success University to the list.)

So, anyone who was a student of the history of our industry wouldn't have gotten involved with Success University in the first place, if they were looking to put the odds of success in their favor, even though conceptually and content wise they had something of value.

Furthermore, many companies offer similar information in their back offices for FREE or at a lower cost, which was the 3rd strike against it.

Now they're "merging" (saving face) by joining forces with a travel program, and contrary to a comment I read in here, it was not because Matt wanted to offer people an even greater oppotunity! And World Ventures is not one of the fastest growing companies in MLM history! Not even close! (Talk about drinking the "kool aid!")

Regulators are going to be hammering travel programs over the next 2 years!

Why? Because they're really nothing more than glorified and overpriced money games! (There's actually very little money in travel! The margins today are in many cases slim to virtually none! Airline tickets are a great example! Hotel rooms are another!)

In terms of the MLM aspect of things, less than 10% of the income is being earned on the travel of customers (non-business participants)! Around 90% of the income is being earned as a result of recruiting. (Sales of business builder packages and other items that have an intrinsic value to business participants only that are made from one business participant to a new business participant.

These are not considered legitimate retail sales by regulators as the primary motivation on the part of the person purchasing the package is in lieu of a business consideration, i.e., to make money! Therefore, it amounts to nothing more than a recruiting or headhunting fee, and thus, an illegal pyramid scheme!

The current legal action against YTB is just the beginning of the action that network marketing companies are going to face from regulators, both in the U.S. and internationally. It's amazing it's taken the regulators this long to take action to be honest!

So, here you have a bunch of Success U. distibutors who are moving from one failed program into a program that likely faces regulatory scrutiny in the near future, setting themselves up for another possible disappointement!

Not a real smart move, which underscores my main point: Most people have no clue when it comes to making a smart decision about which opportunity to pursue!

Network marketing is a legitimate business model but as in any business, it is subject to abuse and companies failing, both of which give the industry and reputable opportunities a bad name, which is unfortunate. Fortunately, intelligent people realize this, so the industry as a whole is thriving, growing faster than any other form of retailing and distribution, once reason why the likes of Warren Buffet and Richard Branson own direct selling/networking companies.

If you want to make a smart business decision and put the odds of success in your favor, not try to beat the odds, there are 6 key things you need to know! Making a decision and pursuing an opportunity without using these 6 keys and you're almost guaranteed to fail, unless you get lucky, and no smart entrepreneur relies on luck!

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MLM Expert 15 years ago

By the way, forgot to add one important piece of info..

The reason why they are limiting the number of countries is that you can't just legally march into any county you want and start promoting your opportunity, taking people's money, and sending people commission checks as numerous countries have a variety of rules, regulations, and statutes that companies must meet if you are paying on more than one level or if you are a network marketing opportunity!

Many companies will try to "fly under the radar" until they get big enough before they undertake the time and expense to make sure they are compliant, but the problem is that if you get caught, they publicize in the press that you are an illegal moneymaking scheme, they boot you out of the country, and now because of the proliferation of both scams and legitimate opportunities, if caught not having done the necessary legal and compliance work, they are now prosecuting distibutors for promoting an illegal moneymaking scheme, all of which kills your program in that county.

Any time you see a new groundfloor MLM progam touting they're opening in 90 countries as part of their pre-launch or launch campaigns, RUN! Run as fast as you can away from the program! It's another Skybiz just waiting to happen!

It's amazing the number of people who fall for this hype! You would think they'd use a little common sense! Herbalife is almost 30 years old and they're in around 60 countries..Amway has been around for over 50 yeas and they'e in maybe 70 countries at the most..and these are multi-billion dollar companies! Suddenly here's a brand new start up and they're in 90 countries when they open their doors? Yes, and illegaly operating in probably 89 of the 90!

I seriously doubt that Success University was legally operating in all of the countries they had recruited people in...

The reason why Internet affiliate programs can go global quickly is that they generally do not pay on more than one level.

So, concern over regulatory compliance is the reason why World Ventures is only allowing people from 15 countries to sign up which is understandable as regulators are about to hammer travel programs fo a variety of reasons. The action against YTB is the opening salvo.

In addition, once legal action is undertaken in the U.S., it isn't long before regulators in Canada, Australia, the U.K., and a few other countries follow suit...

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coachjc

15 years ago

I think you have some legit points MLM Expert...but I have a different opinion on some of it. Here's one example I'd love to know the "real" answer from what you said here:

Originally Posted by MLM Expert

And World Ventures is not one of the fastest growing companies in MLM history! Not even close! (Talk about drinking the "kool aid!")

Dr. Charles King says differently. Maybe I'm too new to MLM, but I have a full audio review from Dr. Charles King rating WorldVentures "A" across the board in every category. (The MLM guy from University of Chicago)
Granted the recording was from their 18 or 24 month mark. (I forgot which)

So instead of arguing about this...why don't you tell me...what ARE the numbers of the fastest growing companies in the history of the industry? (at 1, 2, 3 years)

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MLM Expert

15 years ago

Jason:

Allliance USA, New Vision, Mona Vie, Xango, the list goes on and on! Do some research! You need the "6 Keys to MLM Success in the New Millennium!" You'll discover the 3 common denominators of the companies that have had the greatest growth, the most success, and where the biggest incomes have been earned since the year 2000..

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coachjc

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MLM Expert

Jason:

Allliance USA, New Vision, Mona Vie, Xango, the list goes on and on! Do some research! You need the "6 Keys to MLM Success in the New Millennium!" You'll discover the 3 common denominators of the companies that have had the greatest growth, the most success, and where the biggest incomes have been earned since the year 2000..

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Right...I'm aware of those...and WorldVentures IS right up there with them. Dr. Charles King has the research done...I was asking that original guy to post specific numbers over the first 1, 2, 3 years of growth, etc. (He was just on here trying to pitch people his products...kind of like several others I see)

Just so everyone knows...WorldVentures has done over $150 million in 3 years. Is it the HIGHEST in the history of the industry? NO Is it in the top 5 or 10 of most growth over 3 years? YES

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MLM Expert 15 years ago

Jason:

$150 million in what? Is that the total value of travel sold or revenue through their door? Those are 2 different things!

It's like the utility/electricity deals claiming they've done $700 million or a phone deal claiming they've done $1 billion...Yes they have, but No they haven't! They're counting the value of the customer's total electric bill or the total value of their phone bill, of which they only earn a small percentage on, so the revenue in their front door that ends up on their books is far, far less...same with travel!

When a health and wellness company does $150 million, that is what is on their books in terms of value of products sold and revenue through their door if basing things on wholesale (revenue through their door)...some companies use retail value for total sales figures with revenue being the actual dollars in their front door...

There's a big difference...you might do $150 million in value of what is sold but only actually have $20 million coming through your front door in actual revenue to your company that goes on its books versus a health and wellness company that does $100 million, but actually has $100 million come through their front door and onto their books...

This is why the numbers game can be deceiving...I'd rather be in the company that is doing $100 million than the one doing $150 million in this example because even though they have less in the value of what has been sold, they have 5 times more revenue coming through their front door and onto their books!

By the way, Matt sold out to save himself and his potential revenue stream, not to enlarge the opportunity for everyone! Period. End of story! He made a business decision! Otherwise, if he wanted to "expand the opportunity" he could have added travel to his program on his own! It's not that hard to do...

Regarding personal development through MLM, how many times do people have to try it before they learn it's not a successful model? Einstein once said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting to get a different result. Personal development has been probably half a dozen times and never lasts long term...Much of what is offered can be found online for FREE, online for the same or less, can be found in book stores, etc., and many MLM companies now have their back office with personal development offerings...

It doesn't how big the name or names involved in the program...how quickly people forget the likes of TPN and others...
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muteki

15 years ago

i feel it's very unfortunate for all the people in other countries that will effectively lose all their hard work they put in because of this...... sorry just my 2c

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markshields

15 years ago

Here is my opinion having been with Success University for several years...

When the company was Success University, the identity was very unique and the brand extremely strong, we where hugely about Personal Development and Changing Lifes as opposed to offering people travel packages and whilst I have not promoted hugely since the Merge / Sell out I am not massively happy about the change however what I would say is there will have been an under lining reason such as company profits for example as Matt believed in his mission and for him to end that as he did there would have been a good and un preventable reason

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15 years ago

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fariez

15 years ago

What??? $100,000 a month????

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laurajo

15 years ago

For those of you that loved the personal development focus of Success University, if you haven't checked out iLearningGlobal.tv you'll want to do that.

I'm a founding marketer and it was the personal development resource that drew me to iLearningGlobal. Since then, the product itself has grown and so has the income opportunity. We have 150 of the leading speakers on our faculty so far, many of which are marketers and actively building a business.

iLearningGlobal offers a unilevel compensation plan. You can find more information at iLearningglobal.biz/laurajo.

If you're interested in learning more, I'd be happy to talk with any of you about iLearningGlobal. I know of a few Success University people who have brought their groups into iLearningGlobal. Many of them are from outside the US, probably countries that have lost the opportunity to market Success University in it's new biz model.

I found out after I signed up as a marketer that the corporate offices are about 3 miles from my house. This means that I have a great relationship with corporate. The company has some incredible leadership and solid financing.

Feel free to contact me at 480-610-1100 or Lrichins at gmail dot com.

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MLM Expert

15 years ago

Loren's comment about a lot of personal development material being available online for free is right on the mark. In addition, many MLM companies provide personal development materials now in their back office for FREE or at a very low cost.

Personal development through MLM has not been a successful model, and is less inclined due to the above situations. How many companies have to try and fail before people will finally wake up to that realization? You've had TPN, Success University, and several others all go down the tubes!

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