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Unread 27th August 2013, 08:05 AM   #51
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Default Re: my top tier business, matt lloyd

Aaaaaaaand This is one of the reasons I hardly visit the Warrior Forum. Listen. Closely. If you actually think you're going to join a program and earn 1K,3K,5K commisions without investing some money into it and treating it like a real business, you're obviously fairly new to the IM Niche and need to further educate yourself in the field. Just being blunt about it.

To enter a program like this, and maximize results, you're going to need around $3049 in my opinion. $2049 for affiliate/licensing fees, and $1000 for traffic generation. I wouldn't enter unless I had that kind of capital ready to invest.

Just my opinion... But an experienced one.
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I agree with Kevin, you have to spend money to make money. But, I also agree with all the others that feel the sales pitch is a little less than honest.

My guess is that the program works and if you do it, you will make money doing it. But, in his video sales pitch, he really does make it sound like you will not have to spend more than the $49 dollars for the program.

And I know Matt came on here and said you didnt have to buy the license and you could just make smaller commissions, but other people are disputing that too.

I think most people realize that you will have to spend money driving traffic, but to be told free and you dont pay til you make X amount of dollars and then a week into it be upsold something for 2k, comes across to me as a little shady. He even says if you never make the 50k, you dont have to pay the 5k, but mentions absolutely nothing about the 2k your going to be asked for a week into it.

I dunno, based on this thread and several other things I have read about Matt's business, I think it could work and does work for a lot of people, unfortunately many of us do not have 2k to drop on it.
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I just got done watching the video on MTTB. Looked pretty good from the video and I'm sure it is a good program but the price points seem kinda high and the $2000 licensing fee is a bit of a shocker. Have any of you heard of Auto Recruiting Platform yet? It's built around the same principles of putting high quality traffic through a funnel. Much better price point and something anybody could do.
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"I’m going to give you a proven money-making system for FREE…
and never ask you for a single dime for it
until AFTER you make money with it."

To make this statement true, people would sign up, go through the course, and generate income where Matt could deduct payments until he recovered his $2000. People would rave about the product and Matt is a hero.

This is the crux of the matter. Matt LLoyd lied. I see people here, including Matt, attempting to defend that lie, but fail miserably.

To join with the likes of Matt, you will have to lie to others, because he wants you to follow his system and be like him. If you feel comfortable lying to others to make money, well that's up to you. That will get you passage into the ranks of Internet Scammers. Congratulations.

Decent and honourable Internet Marketers with good products or systems do not have any reason to lie to potential partners. Their integrity and good products will gain the trust of others thereby securing their financial success.

Matt lied. Matt wants you to lie to others, not only for you to make money, but so that he makes money as well. Such is the world of Internet Scammers. These people give good Internet Marketers a bad name.

There are many good opportunities out there that stand on their own merits with good and decent people marketing them. You would be better off following them, and the world of Internet Marketing will also be a better place as well.

Had Matt actually told the truth, and not charged a dime until money was made, this thread would never had existed. Matt lost a lot of money by lying. The truth would have made him an Internet sensation (if his system was good). His lie has made him nothing more than a low life scammer.

Here's a challenge, Matt. Allow people to take your course and not pay a "dime" until they have made money.

What say you?
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Thanks Warrior Forum. I have received an E-Mail this morning from Matt's Team and invested a lot of money in the past for nothing. Living in South Africa with a currency converted to USD 11 to 1 would kill me. Thank you very much. The program might be good and I say nothing against Matt, but I think that is not the way for me.

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Enjoyed reading this thread, but I don't think this system is for me.
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Dear Matt:
I really congratulate you for the achievements you have gained in your career and I must admit that many of us have not succeeded yet.
Just today I nearly Put me and pay the $ 1995, because I think it is a superb program.
But I ask two things:
You respect those still have not reached your achievements
(not saying I am Constantly surprised by how moronic some of the people on this forum are.)
Acknowledge that your proposal leads to misunderstandings that unintentionally set a scam.
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Thanks for those who are stating the facts here. Same experience as quite many of folks having posted on WF (and others not in this thread). I bought the $49 program recently after I was led to believe that I don't have to pay a dime until I make money with a conditional guarantee that I'll get $500 if I don't make $1000 within 30 days after completing all 21 steps. But when I was onto Step 6 of the 21 steps, I was enticed to pay $1997. Yeah shockwaves, deal killer!! $2k = "not a dime"?! I have bought a sales pitch for $49?! Upsells are fine if I am happy with the first program, after completion, but not like this when I still don't know how the system actually operates or what it is. The system will work (as you don't even need to know what it is as the money is made by having customers pay hefty fees, $1997, then $3000, then $5000 and that's how you get paid, I suspect) if there are enough folks who are fine with making money by misrepresenting to others telling them what Matt says in his sales letter. It is like pyramid marketing which is not legit in some countries. So after Step 6, I was disconcerted, felt misrepresented, and I sent an email to Matt/support to have them clarify what was going on and I said a refund of $49 is not sufficient to compensate for my loss of time and effort for following the 6 steps. While waiting for their response, I called up the guy who did the initial phone interview with me and asked him if I could pay $1997 after I have made $ and was declined. If the system is "proven to work", why can't they accede to my request? Like a lot of business, there is something called the credit period. Right? Then there was no response to my email for a couple of days and the next thing I got was an email from support saying "As requested, your order has been canceled and a refund in the amount of $49.00 USD is being processed." Thing is I didn't ask for a refund or cancellation of my order (not yet at that point), I was just asking for clarification. So another lie! The way he handles customers who express a concern of his products is simply Unbelievable! What does Matt take us for? I don't think everybody is an idiot the way he probably does. Thinking the whole thing is hopeless and I don't want to waste more time on this, I am fine with the refund and got that already.

Then a day or 2 later, I got an email from Matt saying that he is being "attacked' by certain folks on certain forum and referred those folks as "WHINY BROKE LOSERS". This is verbal abuse and offensive in my humble opinion, because if they whine, Matt should find out why they whine (guess MOST people don't say something out of the blue) and try to FIX the issue if he is serious about his customers, hence his business instead of just calling them "whiny broke losers" without even finding out what the issue is. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STATING THE FACTS AS THEY ARE AND WHINING. I think Matt has got them mixed up. And how does Matt know if they are broke or losers anyway? Regardless, it is none of Matt's business. The language is simply unprofessional because REAL PROFESSIONAL business people don't talk that way to their customers. He can just fix his misleading sales pitch so that there is NO MORE PURPORTED MISREPRESENTATION. Simple.

Caution to those who are thinking about buying the MOBE program which is for those who are fine with making money by misrepresenting to others and risking tarnishing their reputations. We really don't want this on the internet or anywhere else. Personally it is a complete waste of time and effort and am pissed off. HAD I KNOWN I had to pay $10K to follow the "system" to earn the high commissions the same way like Matt does, I would not have wasted my time and effort because I don't want to make money by telling outright lies to my customers. Matt, I am not whining, I am just stating the facts as they are. Seriously, rarely have I got such horrendous online purchase experience!! Buyers beware!

PS. MOBE seems to be a mediocre copycat of Empower Network. One of the differences is EN tells you upfront how much you need to pay to get what or rather they don't tell and reaffirm you that it's free or you don't need to pay further down the road. Am not promoting EN tho.
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Im really greatful to the Warrior Forum, I clicked on a link that appeared on FB and listened to the vid, read the sales page, and really liked the idea, I also knew myself that there would be extra costs like paid traffic which I didnt mind, I thought it would be another string to my bow.

But before I signed up I thought Id check out the review section at WF, just to get some feedback, and thats how I came to this thread.

So thank you WF , his sales page is wrong, ethically and morally, and for newbies that arent as wise as us on here, those that are sold and dive straight in, they in my opinion have been SCAMMED.
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I’m going to give you a proven money-making system for FREE…
and never ask you for a single dime for it
until AFTER you make money with it.
- That was part of the sales letter...

1. You need to go through each of the 21 steps on the day it’s assigned to you.
2. If you skip a step, or do a step out of order you forfeit the guarantee.
Why would anyone trust a guy who straight out lies in his sales letter? Free? Or $2000? What's the difference among friends!
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Why would anyone trust a guy who straight out lies in his sales letter? Free? Or $2000? What's the difference among friends!
Agree. Cool.

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Here is the first paragraph of John Chow's blog post
My Top Tier Business (MTTB). This is a system that I have been testing for Matt Lloyd. The result so far has been nothing short of amazing.
So John Chow seems to declare he tested the system FOR Matt Lloyd.

Then his comment posted on June 26, 2013 at 9:32 am he states
you will make at least $1,000 in commissions within 30 days or we paypal you $500.
WE paypal you $500... is John Chow now a partner???

In another comment two minutes later at 9:34 am he states
  • We are limiting this to 250 people and we will get more applications than that, so we want to make sure we get the right people in the program.
  • Later We take Visa and MasterCard.
WE are... WE will get... WE want... WE get.. WE take Visa ... and he continues using many WE s in all other comments so it now seems to appear that John Chow is a partner !!!

So when John Chow's review in the opening paragraph blatlantly states
This is "a system that I have been testing for Matt Lloyd". The result so far has been "nothing short of amazing"
I wonder what this review is worth...
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You guys are so funny...

Asking for someone to show you how to make
money without paying for it first, and only paying
AFTER you make the money is like approaching
your local GYM and saying

"Hey Joe, you got a great place here. Looks really awesome
and you got some hot babes I can hit on too. Tell you what,
give me 60 days worth of free membership and I'll come and
go as I please and lift some weights. If I lose weight/beef up,
I'll definitely pay you for the membership. If not, I'll tell all my
buddies you're a scammer. Sounds like a good deal to me, what do you think, Joe?"


Get real people.

Why someone should invest their time and resources to create
a mechanism that can make you money and NOT get something
in return?

Thanks,
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P.S. I'm not a member of MOBE, or EN, or PL, or DCSX, or EZMF or
any of the similar opportunity, but I work with tons of people who
actually make money with those

You can tell the difference in their attitude vs. the ones who don't.
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Before attitude comes into play, one needs to sort out what he or she is getting. Value that is. Wise investment does not mean throwing something down the drain and making money does not mean scamming others. It's all about choice. This is MY ATTITUDE of sound, sustainable and viable business!
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Nobody is complaining that he or she have to pay money for a product nor do they complain about a high price. The point is that they want to buy from people who offer their products in an ethical way. They complain because the seller tells them in his sales copy he does business the ethical way. After they signed the purchase order and payed the the initial price of $49 and after one week the guy asks for additional $2000, otherwise the promised earnings potential wouldn't be possible, that is just the opposite of ethics. But I am probably right when I assume that the seller knows exactly that he would have made probably not more than 5% to 10% of his sales when he had stated the facts in his copy. That's the difference to people who run their businesses in a proper manner, also in this forum. I have never made the experience that one of these "ethical" people ask for the purchase price X and a couple of days later he wants additionally 40 times the purchase price gives this the name OTO. An OTO means for me an additional value to the value of my original purchase.

And the value of a deal has nothing to do whether the people who run non-ethical businesses have made millions or not. There are also enough scam artists around who have made tons of $$$, but I would never drink a cup of coffee with.
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OMG - avoid them like the plague! It is a scam. They keep taking money out of my account even after I cancelled months and months ago. I am now going through my bank and closing my accounts. It's a nightmare!!!
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OMG - avoid them like the plague! It is a scam. They keep taking money out of my account even after I cancelled months and months ago. I am now going through my bank and closing my accounts. It's a nightmare!!!
Hi BOOG, can you give us more details like how and what? Thanks.
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OMG - avoid them like the plague! It is a scam. They keep taking money out of my account even after I cancelled months and months ago. I am now going through my bank and closing my accounts. It's a nightmare!!!
I highly doubt that. Did you contact MOBE support? Are you sure it's even MOBE and not something else you bought and forgot about?
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Well then Mr. Lloyd, since I had a job that pay 10000 RSD (that's 100$), living on debts, how can you expect from someone like me to have 2000$ for the step 6? I was gonna pay 50$ for the entry fee or w/e you called it, but the 2000$ is just simply not fair price. Plus, you lie in the videos, which is illegal and punishable by law in some country's, so if I where you, I would stop lying to people and scam them later to just get rich, because you can't be rich in jail if you get sued by some of them. So be honest and don't let greed take you in, or still be an "rich snob" and you might even end up behind bars. Just giving you a friendly advice. For me, I found another way to earn money online, but not have to pay fortune to someone who lies and scams people.

So i passed this so called "opportunity" because that's only for rich snobs to try. And one other assumption: The comments made by Matt Lloyd are somewhat unprofessional, and of course I can't say I am a professional and understand 100% of English language, but I can see how professional marketeers talk and how unprofessional "wannabe" marketeers talk. That much I can recognize. So I think Matt Lloyd is unprofessional marketeer, which is ok, I don't have anything against that, nobody is perfect, but if he says he tries to make $2000000 in a year with his kind of attitude, then, he clearly missed his profession. Professional marketeers do not worry about the forums and what people say. Most of people don't search if it is scam or legit and don't come on this forum for information about this particular earning method. Since Mr. Lloyd worry that his business does not get slandered or image gets ruined, he is clearly not one of those "professional marketeers", but a simple man like you or me.
I wish Mr. Lloyd best of luck in his business, to make those 2,000,000 $ per year and good health and long life.

Thank you for your patience in reading this.
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I've been searching for years for the right business to fit my lifestyle and I'm a very hard working person who gives 110%. But I'm sure as many of you out there are tired of working and making other people rich.

During these years I've spent tens of thousands of dollars investing in various mentoring programs whom in the past guarantee your success if you follow all of the steps. Being a professional I go over things more then once to make sure that I've gotten every bit of information correct as this is the only way to be successful.

My question to Mr. Lloyd is one that has been asked, but you've haven't answered. I understand about upsells and in my past experience if you don't by the upsell your chances of making any money become slim. My question is if you don't purchase your MOBE upsell what are your chances of making any money at all?

I ask this if one reason, as I've stated I've been searching for a business for years and I've only spent tens of thousand of my hard earned dollars to making absolutely not one red cent. If I had the money I would probably purchase your upsell, but my finances are now non existing. I would like to hear your advise for someone like myself that would put 110% into making myself successful but don't have the means to do so.
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If you actually PAY just to be someones Affiliate - you deserve what you get.
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I've been reading all the posts here..
& it doesn't surprise me when you hear things like..
98% of people WON'T make any money online !

Here is my 2 cents...
You get a complete Sales Funnel set up for you..
with awesome products I may add..
plus.. professional sales people to close your prospects..
all for $49.00 !!
F#@k me guys.. where else will you find that ??

Upgrading to the $2000.. is optional..
you don't have to !

Sure.. to test the system you'll need to drive traffic..
which of course costs money.
But how much would it cost you to set a similar system up for yourself ??

My opinion..
stop jumping on forums & posting negativity.
Get out there & SELL..
because that's the only way to make money !!
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@ auseek - Sorry buddy, please define "negativity". As per the universal law of polarity, negativity and positivity exist together. Where you find one, you will find the other

@ Matt - I am sure your program is a great one, heck wish I could afford to buy it for myself and for all the other hopefuls here, but honestly with $2000 I can set up a local radio station marketing campaign here in sunny Durbs or spend it on Adwords and Facebook to punt any of the other 1000+ quality high ticket products available online as a 100% FREE affiliate.

I guess Matt, that you are not seeing the point here because as an entrepreneur you are passionate about your business and stand 100% behind your techniques. I really enjoyed your video up until your FREE program started costing me money.

Your video is misleading and offensive and this is the reason you have so many upset bloggers here.

Stop putting down blogs especially if what you are selling is based on a blogging system. Bloggers are the heartbeat of the internet.

Thanks WF for this great platform!! Peace out Warriors! Ahoorroo Ahoorroo!!
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@ auseek - Sorry buddy, please define "negativity". As per the universal law of polarity, negativity and positivity exist together. Where you find one, you will find the other

@ Matt - I am sure your program is a great one, heck wish I could afford to buy it for myself and for all the other hopefuls here, but honestly with $2000 I can set up a local radio station marketing campaign here in sunny Durbs or spend it on Adwords and Facebook to punt any of the other 1000+ quality high ticket products available online as a 100% FREE affiliate.

I guess Matt, that you are not seeing the point here because as an entrepreneur you are passionate about your business and stand 100% behind your techniques. I really enjoyed your video up until your FREE program started costing me money.

Your video is misleading and offensive and this is the reason you have so many upset bloggers here.

Stop putting down blogs especially if what you are selling is based on a blogging system. Bloggers are the heartbeat of the internet.

Thanks WF for this great platform!! Peace out Warriors! Ahoorroo Ahoorroo!!
I have to agree with this comments. If I had $2000 in a first place, I wouldn't need to do any work online what so ever, because if I have $2000, that means I earn normally in regular life around $1000, which I don't. Then I like one more thing for Matt to explain here, how can I guy that earns currently $200 by working in a car wash be a part of your program? $49 is okay price, but for another $2000, man that is just plain and simple bollocks.

Btw, I have started to play Roulette online with a system that will grant me more money then this so called "Top Tier Business" that drains money from people for nothing.

Oh and I was looking a info on the Wired Income Package - Make An Income Online {FREE VIDEO} and does it deliver, because something is very familiar about his parents, they are very similar to some actors I have seen in movies and in tv series. But if I am wrong, then I sincerely apologize.
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I am happy that I searched the whole of the internet before buying this program...it saved me my precious $49 (am in a third world country and that money is not so easy to pick up anywhere) and possible headaches and heartaches over you.

More importantly, reading all of these comments SAVED MATT LLOYD (nice name for a multi-millionaire internet marketer) of being cursed if I would find out that aside from $49 there is actually that almost 2K fees (wow...!)

You see guys, this is the big problem when we over-used HYPES when marketing our programs...especially when we say that our program is FREE but you have to pay a "small" entry fee and then without telling upfront that there is actually that 2K ahead of you.

By the way...no need to reply to this post since I am not presenting any question or any case for you to answer.

I am not against Matt or marketing but I think if those figures are disclosed right in front of the customer then I would not have a problem with it. Matt...this is a big question for you: Do you think that you are not violating with a customer's right to know what he got into when you are not disclosing that 2K upsell? And you seems to be wondering why people here are expressing dismay and negativity? You must be out of this world if you could not connect the dots. Or does being a millionaire make one blind and out of touch with the reality?

I am not an important person but am representing small people who are here in internet looking for the right ways for us to get into financial freedom but without being surprised in the middle of it all...

By the way, no need to reply to this comment as I am not really asking you any new question. Good luck to all of us.
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You guys are so funny...

Asking for someone to show you how to make
money without paying for it first, and only paying
AFTER you make the money is like approaching
your local GYM and saying

"Hey Joe, you got a great place here. Looks really awesome
and you got some hot babes I can hit on too. Tell you what,
give me 60 days worth of free membership and I'll come and
go as I please and lift some weights. If I lose weight/beef up,
I'll definitely pay you for the membership. If not, I'll tell all my
buddies you're a scammer. Sounds like a good deal to me, what do you think, Joe?"


Get real people.

Why someone should invest their time and resources to create
a mechanism that can make you money and NOT get something
in return?

Thanks,
Igor

P.S. I'm not a member of MOBE, or EN, or PL, or DCSX, or EZMF or
any of the similar opportunity, but I work with tons of people who
actually make money with those

You can tell the difference in their attitude vs. the ones who don't.
Invest? For me that "invest" is actually "steal". It's not investment, it's a lie. I already said that you can lie and become millionaire, but you will not be able to sleep at night, because of "curses" you will receive from the people you "scammed" and lied to. Secondly, if those guys earn "millions" already, how come they need more money? 1 million, if you spend it correctly, can serve you a life-time of non work. Well, as expected, greed is great flaw of humankind, and we will never evolve if we do not learn to appreciate what we have and don't ask from someone else.

Peace.
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You guys are so funny...

Asking for someone to show you how to make
money without paying for it first, and only paying
AFTER you make the money is like approaching
your local GYM and saying

"Hey Joe, you got a great place here. Looks really awesome
and you got some hot babes I can hit on too. Tell you what,
give me 60 days worth of free membership and I'll come and
go as I please and lift some weights. If I lose weight/beef up,
I'll definitely pay you for the membership. If not, I'll tell all my
buddies you're a scammer. Sounds like a good deal to me, what do you think, Joe?"


Get real people.

Why someone should invest their time and resources to create
a mechanism that can make you money and NOT get something
in return?

Thanks,
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P.S. I'm not a member of MOBE, or EN, or PL, or DCSX, or EZMF or
any of the similar opportunity, but I work with tons of people who
actually make money with those

You can tell the difference in their attitude vs. the ones who don't.
You totally miss the point. He's saying "spend $49 and you'll make money". Then he does the old bait and switch and hits you with the $2k to continue. And that my friend aint funny. It's called "misrepresentation" - it's a legal term - look it up. I have no doubt that the FTC and others have their eyes on this guy.

BTW how many people have claimed and received the $500? Exactly. Zip I'm guessing.
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Long before the internet came along, we used to run an ad in every newspaper and trade journal across the US and part of Canada and this is what it said:Local Sales Route Distributor

The $25K investment includes "good-will" because every new distributor was given a customer list with at least 100 established buyers and 1 week of hands-on training. Calling that $1997 a "franchise fee" without filing all the paperwork with federal and state regulatory agencies means they'll have some hefty fines to pay when [not if] they find out.

FREE is never really FREE. You spend time or money but most people spend BOTH and that's where the real problem is. Nobody without an establised off-line business and a physical address and customer service telephone number has both to spend.

#1 Lifespan is too short
#2 Takes too long so you just give up.
#3 Search engines give priority to established off-line businesses

Online start-ups run out of both time and money because it takes so long to earn anything when you're spending both without any team effort or search engine help.

I've offered to foot the bill for everything to get people started online but it seems like most people don't believe it, don't really want something for nothing or it's too much work because their whole investment is TIME instead of money but never both.

This guide Geo SEO Affiliate Website Guide shows you how to configure the back end of geo affiliate websites properly using silo structured pages and interlinked navigational menus. The software is already installed on several 3-4 year old domains that need someone to design the pages, add categories, page titles, descriptions and content. Anyone interested?

You pay nothing until you after you log into the back end, follow the guide and then decide whether it's going to work for you or not. Take as long as you like to decide and then you would just pay to transfer the domain into your name and monthly hosting on your own Hostgator cpanel account [$10/mo] which you would have to pay anyway. If you want a Wordpress Blog you can easily add that through your Cpanel.

You can also do a search for DatingWorld and get their free guide to making money in the dating niche. You just point your own domain to their servers where you can choose from several templates to build your website in their network. You get paid commission for visitors that convert into paying members.

You would need your own squeeze page to send traffic to first if you want to build your own list. After they sign up, you redirect your traffic to your dating website where they can sign up free and then your follow up messages can offer something of value if they upgrade to paying members.

The people who run DatingWorld give Warriors a higher commission rate and help get you started for free, meaning you'll be spending time instead of money to get started but NOT both.
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just a thought! NEWBIE IM'rketer ($100 to his name/current life): Spend $49 (become MTTB member/affiliate) -> goes though "1-5 of 21 steps training" -> learned something valuable but blocked and can't continue in the "6-21" training (need $1997/become a MOBE Liscensee) -> thinking of earning income/money by selling/promoting low MTTB products -> got great idea "BUT" can't market the low MTTB products fully to reach $1997 (only finished 1-5th training)....... IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE $49 MEMBER WHO CANNOT AFFORD 2K, GET THE FULL TRAINING AND USE IT TO BECOME MOBE LISCENSEE?? enlighten me. sory for my bad english
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Well that's enough info for me!, now I can click of this annoying pitch!
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I predict, that if this is an honest business, then it will stand. If not, it will fall.

BIG NOTE: My mentors both earn well over $1,000,000 MONTH AFTER MONTH ... NET (and I will be there in the next 4-8 mos.)!

Either one of them push/promote in the home business space. No, they don't market 'High Ticket' products. In short MASS TRAFFIC = MASS SALES! Zip, Email, Short form subs etc.

When you're making 5000 sales per day of any "small amount", it crushes "High Ticket" any day of the year ... trust me.

Not to knock High Ticket. The key is YOU MUST develop YOURSELF as a marketer. Accountability coupled with No Excuses (not that MLM garb) pays NET PROFITS of MILLIONS!!!!

It gets under my skin when I hear these MLM guys talk about them being an 8 figure earner, and on the same sales page admit that $73,000 in a week, is a really high week for them.

$73,000 in a week is good. However, when you multiply that by 52 weeks in a year ... it is FAR from 8 figures, thus making the product launch "business model" "guru" a LIAR!

8 figures in SALES and 5% of that in profit, IS NOT AN 8 FIGURE EARNER.

The guys I know, will mark a person who dare compares a mlm/top tier/whatever to real performance based marketing.

NOTE: The REAL Highest paid marketers on the planet are PERFORMANCE marketers.

I let the cat out of the bag on that one.
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I am constantly surprised by how moronic some of the people on this forum are...
Matt, I admire your passion. But I think you may have done more harm to your reputation than good by responding in the defensive manner that you have. Customers complain about products all the time, but until one experiences it for themselves it's all hear say. It's nothing a little reputation management won't resolve. However, when you lash out in public like that all of a sudden it's no longer hear say. People will assume it must be true because of the way you've reacted. I've seen your presentation, you are a great marketer, but part of being a great business man is knowing how to react to and resolve customer dissatisfaction effectively. It's also humbling yourself to receive constructive criticism. When people see FREE that's exactly what they expect. You might want to use more caution when throwing that word around prior to hitting people with a $49 entry and then a $2000 upsell. Good luck, I wish you the best sir.
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I predict, that if this is an honest business, then it will stand. If not, it will fall.

BIG NOTE: My mentors both earn well over $1,000,000 MONTH AFTER MONTH ... NET (and I will be there in the next 4-8 mos.)!

Either one of them push/promote in the home business space. No, they don't market 'High Ticket' products. In short MASS TRAFFIC = MASS SALES! Zip, Email, Short form subs etc.

When you're making 5000 sales per day of any "small amount", it crushes "High Ticket" any day of the year ... trust me.

Not to knock High Ticket. The key is YOU MUST develop YOURSELF as a marketer. Accountability coupled with No Excuses (not that MLM garb) pays NET PROFITS of MILLIONS!!!!

It gets under my skin when I hear these MLM guys talk about them being an 8 figure earner, and on the same sales page admit that $73,000 in a week, is a really high week for them.

$73,000 in a week is good. However, when you multiply that by 52 weeks in a year ... it is FAR from 8 figures, thus making the product launch "business model" "guru" a LIAR!

8 figures in SALES and 5% of that in profit, IS NOT AN 8 FIGURE EARNER.

The guys I know, will mark a person who dare compares a mlm/top tier/whatever to real performance based marketing.

NOTE: The REAL Highest paid marketers on the planet are PERFORMANCE marketers.

I let the cat out of the bag on that one.
Not trying to be antagonistic but... who in their right might would waste their time coaching newbies if they are making a million per month?? THink about it, a LOT of marketing and management (social, PPC, SEO, outsourcing, accounting etc) would be involved in that type of operation. So much so that teaching people your 'secrets' for chump change is simply not believable. A lot of these 'mentors' are pretty much the same as Matt Lloyd - selling some readily available information through deception. Real coaches are mostly like teachers - they understand the methods and teach them, they don't actually do them at an incredibly successful level. That's fine because teachers are upfront about that - it's also fine for the IM coaches who are upfront about what they do too. If you think of this analogy between school teachers and unscrupulous IM coaches - they are like economics teachers pretending to be advisors to the White House, spilling the beans on the internal workings of foreign industrial economic policy and telling their students how to profit through insider trading etc. Sounds ridiculous, yes, BUT it's not much different to the IM coach who purports to make a million per month but is happy to waste their time teaching readily available information to newbies. As for the guy who makes millions per month who is happy to share his secret formula to success thereby diluting his competitiveness, market share and profits... that's not exactly the hallmark of a successful millionaire.
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Not trying to be antagonistic but... who in their right might would waste their time coaching newbies if they are making a million per month?? THink about it, a LOT of marketing and management (social, PPC, SEO, outsourcing, accounting etc) would be involved in that type of operation. So much so that teaching people your 'secrets' for chump change is simply not believable. A lot of these 'mentors' are pretty much the same as Matt Lloyd - selling some readily available information through deception. Real coaches are mostly like teachers - they understand the methods and teach them, they don't actually do them at an incredibly successful level. That's fine because teachers are upfront about that - it's also fine for the IM coaches who are upfront about what they do too. If you think of this analogy between school teachers and unscrupulous IM coaches - they are like economics teachers pretending to be advisors to the White House, spilling the beans on the internal workings of foreign industrial economic policy and telling their students how to profit through insider trading etc. Sounds ridiculous, yes, BUT it's not much different to the IM coach who purports to make a million per month but is happy to waste their time teaching readily available information to newbies. As for the guy who makes millions per month who is happy to share his secret formula to success thereby diluting his competitiveness, market share and profits... that's not exactly the hallmark of a successful millionaire.
Well Flash, it appears that your the sharp one among us.?.?.?! :rolleyes: If you'll be man, woman, or it enough ... you might admit, that your trouble, is that you can't wrap your wealth lacking mind around those figures.

Why would a 7 figure monthly earner coach newbie ...?

VERY SIMPLE:

The cost is between $50,000 - $100,000 plus.
They run campaigns with their students on THEIR STUDENTS effort (while following their coaching) ... and they split the profits (sometimes 50 50).

Has a light bulb came on yet Flash? I ONLY listed 2 benefits. Newbies and seasoned marketers both GLADLY PAY.

Let's do the math ... If YOU were a 7 figure monthly earner, would you coach newbies to create another 7 figure income stream in your life????

Make sense ... yeah I know.

Keep in mind that what is possible IS NOT limited to YOUR mindset, and what you're willing or not willing to believe.

Right now, as you're reading this, some marketer is preparing to pay some network over 1 million dollars for sending traffic ( and sometime 3 to 5 times that).

I hope this helps your thinking.

Cheers Mate!
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Kinda sounds like a giant internet marketing ponzi scheme...
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Kinda sounds like a giant internet marketing ponzi scheme...


Putting my mastercard where it belong. I knew it sound too good t be true. WOW!
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Well Flash, it appears that your the sharp one among us.?.?.?! :rolleyes: If you'll be man, woman, or it enough ... you might admit, that your trouble, is that you can't wrap your wealth lacking mind around those figures.
You presume too much. One of my companies is a government funded startup with backing from Microsoft - we have a 7 figure valuation and we'll be exiting through trade sale inside the next 3 years. I've had to design a business model with financials and digital marketing plan for investors, pitch to panels in banks, VC offices and startup conventions. So, yes I have experience in dealing with people where real money is concerned. I've also got my own web design company and have dabbled a bit in IM so that I would a) get some experience in the differences between real world IM and the DM postgrad I did last year and b) fund the day to day operation of my startup. Talking down to me about 'mindsets' and unproven claims of earnings demonstrates a lot of naivety.
It sounds like you are being coached to be someone else's affiliate - where the product is tied up in the coaching. The business model might work fine but the industry is full of unscrupulous marketers making unfounded claims of earning potential and their own success. Personally, that's not the type of business I'm interested in.
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I have to agree with this comments. If I had $2000 in a first place, I wouldn't need to do any work online what so ever, because if I have $2000, that means I earn normally in regular life around $1000, which I don't. Then I like one more thing for Matt to explain here, how can I guy that earns currently $200 by working in a car wash be a part of your program? $49 is okay price, but for another $2000, man that is just plain and simple bollocks.

Btw, I have started to play Roulette online with a system that will grant me more money then this so called "Top Tier Business" that drains money from people for nothing.

Oh and I was looking a info on the Wired Income Package - Make An Income Online {FREE VIDEO} and does it deliver, because something is very familiar about his parents, they are very similar to some actors I have seen in movies and in tv series. But if I am wrong, then I sincerely apologize.
Krchmar...I don't think, I know that there is no roulette system online or in a real casino that is foolproof. If there is a way for it to go wrong believe me it will at some stage...costing you dearly. I've studied the roulette wheel for over 25 years checking anything and everything about different systems. I would love to be proved wrong though...but I don't think I will be!
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I am a licensee with Matt Lloyd and recently made a $1k commission, so I know this works after many other low end affiliate programs completely failed me..

I can however understand that some of the language used in the sales letter is misleading. The word FREE is so overused in marketing that people are extremely weary of it. We know that NOTHING in IM is free especially when there is a good earning opportunity on the back of it...

So when Matt says that he's going to give you the system for "free" I can understand how some people would find that misleading when they are then asked to pay a $49 application fee. It's not an accurate statement so maybe it could do with some revision.

I also think that some level of pre-qualifying and preparing people for the $1997 Licensee fee would be helpful so that they aren't so shocked and surprised when they hear about cost of the $1997 upsell to become a licensee.

Just some ideas...
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You guys are so funny...

Asking for someone to show you how to make
money without paying for it first, and only paying
AFTER you make the money is like approaching
your local GYM and saying

"Hey Joe, you got a great place here. Looks really awesome
and you got some hot babes I can hit on too. Tell you what,
give me 60 days worth of free membership and I'll come and
go as I please and lift some weights. If I lose weight/beef up,
I'll definitely pay you for the membership. If not, I'll tell all my
buddies you're a scammer. Sounds like a good deal to me, what do you think, Joe?"


Get real people.

Why someone should invest their time and resources to create
a mechanism that can make you money and NOT get something
in return?

Thanks,
Igor

P.S. I'm not a member of MOBE, or EN, or PL, or DCSX, or EZMF or
any of the similar opportunity, but I work with tons of people who
actually make money with those

You can tell the difference in their attitude vs. the ones who don't.
And you are a GENIUS... Not!

The point most people are talking about on this thread is the alleged misrepresentation on the sales letter about the system being free, which clearly it is not. $49 is far from free. Duh!

I'm not even talking about the $2,000 here.
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I am a licencee of Matts Products and the help and support you get is real I have been promoting the MTTB funnel but after reading this post I may go back and use a different tack. Matts Products are very top quality and there are many success stories. Yes you have to pay for quality. Yes I now have quality products to sell. The MTTB product was put together to introduce the benefits of Matts products and allow for a lower entry level. the $49 entry level seperates those people that are serious and those that are not. Yes I can see how people are getting a little bit annoyed at the way it is presented but if you are serious about building your business then you need great products, you need a great system and you need great coaching and you also need to invest in yourself. If you find this system is not for you then move on. If you want success start promoting Matts products as an affiliate and join the MTTB training to build a business that will reward you over and over. Also it is always great to come on here and see the response to such programs as it really assists my marketing efforts.
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Hi, macmani,

I joined 9 days ago, probably from the same mailing you received, and paid the $49. The trickled training that I took was pretty good and the future looked promising.

Then, surprise!!!!! At around the end of the first week I was informed I had to buy a MOBE license for $1997 in order to continue.

Somebody forgot to mention it in the advertising...

I actually signed a non-disclosure agreement while I was digesting this new information. But I don't want eat into my monetary resources to the tune of $2K before I'm assured the products will sell.

Those products seem to be good quality.

It remains to be proven to me how many affiliates of the system can make a decent living, let alone driving around in their own Mercedes.

But for now, I'm on the sidelines.

Maurice
Well well well...if you have to pay 49$ and a MOBE licence almost 2k$ and then you earn only 1k$ within 30 days, then you still have a debt of almost 1k$...Is it profitable ?

I don`t try to act like an A** but Matt Lloyd should mention from start that you need to invest atleast 2k$ in his business to start getting high commisions.

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I can see where the video is very misleading, but it's really no worse than any other sales video/letter out there. I guess that's not saying too much for the idea of transparency in Internet Marketing.

I think this program must be geared toward newbies because I find it hard to believe that any experienced IMer who is already making good money online would pay 2K just to promote someone else's products.

I could invest 2K of my own money and make an awesome product that I could then turn around and have my affiliates sell. I would definitely be able to at least double my investment that way, maybe more if I started out launching it as a WSO first.

Or I could take 2K and buy traffic that I could convert into subscribers who I could make money from for months or even years to come.

All I'm saying is that I could find a lot better ways to invest 2K than to pay for some MOBE license that as far as I can see only allows me to promote a line of Matt's products. I'm not disputing that the products are good but let's face it - this is a borderline shady concept.

Oh, and also I was very turned off by the way Matt responded. Yes, I can understand being a little defensive and maybe a little irritated, but to respond the way he did was very arrogant and unprofessional. For that reason alone I would never become a customer of his.
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I have to say that I understand holding a little back when you are romancing people into your funnel, however, $2000 is way too much to pull that sort of stunt with. The product may be awesome (I don't know), but I personally would be turned off by the huge shock of the price after I've already committed some what. Just me though.
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Dear Matt,

My name is shailesh from Bombay, India. Just wanted to know few things regarding MTTB:

1) What is the statistics of affiliates and Business licence holders from India, region/statewise.According to me not many individuals from India knows about this program.

2) If I say I have a huge network of online business investors from India, can I be considered as your Indian business representative without actually becoming the licence holder? Please let me know if such a consideration can me made exceptionally.

awaiting your response, Thanks
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Hi.I have spent months trying to get started in an internet business,and have come to a rather bleak conclusionFor every "fantastic"opportunity there are people shooting it down,then offering their own "superb"load of crap.As a newbie you are seen as nothing more than sharkbait and bombarded with so much duff information and backdoor scams.If a program costs another€2000 then it's NOT €49.00 and it's a lie to give the impression it is.It is also evident that a small bunch of "gurus"scratch each other's backs in their pursuit of the almighty dollar.Whilst the "high rollers"benefit the small guy pays for it.
Reading this forum does nothing to dispell any mistrust when you get people who are trying to scam actually defending it as a legitimate business ploy.It's a sad reflection not only on internet marketing,but on those who the learner is looking up to.
I honestly despair at ever finding a starter program that is both genuine and honest.
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Clearly the people that aren't happy with this program are the ones that didn't do their research beforehand. This program is clearly feeding on the huge amount of newbie marketers out there with a pumped up sales letter and some big name marketers promoting the heck out of it.

If you honestly think that someone is going to give you $500 because you DIDN'T make money with their system, you are a fool and deserve to be scammed by people like this Matt Lloyd.

He is just a clever marketer making a living scamming people into buying his system.

Tell me Matt, how many newbies that bought your system are making a consistent $1k/month with your program? Profit.

I just read the sales copy and nowhere does it state that you will have to buy a $2k license to complete this program, wonder why?

Matt, you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you are because of all that money you must be making from people who don't know any better. Good job buddy, you're a class act.
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I'm with Matt, this forum is hard to post on with how many tit suckers there are. It's very clear what's going on in his system just from his replies here and the video. Use your brain big commissions they claim don't fall out of thin air they REQUIRE big purchases, which is EXACTLY what he says in the video pitch and written pitches ive seen. PLUS these costs aren't just for the rights to sell his "mobe" products, there is more where that came from.

Don't feel duped by the way his system is setup it's no different then 20% of the systems out there,79% of the rest either blow completely or generate no real money or value I might add.

In my opinion the internet requires money to make any form of "easy" money through outsourcing everything in general and paying commissions of your own, if your broke your gonna have to work HARD by being that outsourced worker to get the cash you need to do the above. And let's face it majority of the people crying in this thread probably will never work hard and in return will never succeed, I can say this because if they could they WOULD have either here or with a real job so they could invest on there own.



Let me finish this by saying I don't know anyone from this system nor have I seen his product. But I can only imagine just by looking at how it's setup to sell to you and half the replies I've read here that there's plenty him and his team can teach anyone who is still looking for a system, coaching, or support.

I'll also add that if you can afford this system you can afford your own product and will make more money in the end with that if you just watch and learn from successful people instead of paying to learn. The answers are right in front of you and you still can't see them.
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Matts program is totally free - plus $49.00 - plus $2000

I almost got suckered into this program as well. Just like the rest of the forum members here I wasted 30 minutes watching a youtube video where I was told by Matt Lloyd that his offer was totally free.

Then in the last minute of the video I get a wack upside my head. Nope, its not free. Matt wants 49bucks!

Ok so that is enough to tick anyone off. But its hardly the worst of the scam. So I head to youtube and contact an affiliate who was promoting MyTopTierBusiness.

Hmm. The affiliate tells me they were hoodwinked into spending not just 49 bucks, but then an extra $2000. they said that if they didn’t pay the extra $2000, they were told by their coach that they had really no chance to ever make a profit.

It gets better still. The affiliate told me that they had stopped promoting this deal because most of Matts affiliates are heading off to ethical programs because they believe that John Chow is the -real- owner and master puppeteer.

So then I come to WF and I read a post from -- stephabel -- Which is above in this same thread. Wow each quote that is displayed written by John Chow really paints an obvious story.

John chow is the owner. I can't verify this but the affiliate said he and several other affilliates were positive that Matt is just a title-holder and John is the real ownver. I don't call this clever marketing. I call it a scam. The former affiliate I talked to was furious and said he felt stupid for being duped.

And to explain my personal viewpoint--Im fine with paying money to start a business - but when I read all these people referencing Matts abusive name calling---between his emails and this forum-- I have read his words calling members of this forum broke losers, morons, and idiots. He needs to seek some help.
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