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CPA Ninja School - Anyone Using This?

by AmericanWoman888
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Is anyone involved with this program? I wondered what the feedback is. It seems as though you likely need deep pockets to use it. Any and all comments greatly appreciated.
#cpa #ninja #school
  • Profile picture of the author lordof
    Its about using wordpress direct and PPC. You scale up with PPV and media buys, although the course just barely touched on those. It goes into depth about picking your offer and how to place it. It gives you a keyword optimization strategy that could work. For the most part you go from a landing page to the blog to the offer and you build a blog farm around different offers. Nothing really hints at blackhat. It will be interesting to see if the model works. PM if you need more info.
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    • Profile picture of the author AmericanWoman888
      Originally Posted by lordof View Post

      Its about using wordpress direct and PPC. You scale up with PPV and media buys, although the course just barely touched on those. It goes into depth about picking your offer and how to place it. It gives you a keyword optimization strategy that could work. For the most part you go from a landing page to the blog to the offer and you build a blog farm around different offers. Nothing really hints at blackhat. It will be interesting to see if the model works. PM if you need more info.
      Thanks very much lordof I appreciate the insight. On the surface it may be a bit out of my league at the moment.

      Yes, it will be interesting to see if the model works. I will sit tight until I hear some reviews.

      Thanks for your time!
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      • Profile picture of the author danhughes
        The course is very disappointing and very basic given the price point. They are claiming it will go up from $595 to $995!!! Well, if that happens they better fire up the refund machine.

        Basically your setting up spammy blogs with dubious content (yahoo answers, ezine articles and so on) in order to increase your quality score with Google PPC. No one is really going to read the content b/c the main page is stuffed full of creative (ads) of the offer your promoting. Just about every link on your site links to your affiliate offer.

        This technique has been popular, but is rapidly dying out. Customers are becoming more and more suspicious about "blog" landing pages and so are the FTC... Seriously!

        To make matters worse... the whole course is taught assuming you have a Wordpress Direct Platinum account... which will cost you $397 per month!

        If your just starting out take a look at Affiliate Funnel System by Saj P. It's an extremely thorough starting point with CPA. It also has so very good * genuine* unadvertised bonuses. I have no idea why, but it's only $77. It's worth a lot more.

        If you kinda know your way around CPA then take a look at Pay Per Click Ninja by Christian Weselak. It's extremely well written, far better the your average make money course. He is basically teaching you ways of finding very cheap clicks for offers or finding very cheap clicks and then figuring out how to monetize them. He teaches one very cool trick to research the Google Content network... using Gmail that alone is worth the $197 he charges for the course.
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        • Profile picture of the author davemiz
          wait a sec, dan did you get the product? or are you just offering your opinion?

          matt trainer is in that product and I know he's made a bunch of money with CPA stuff, and marty's wpd actually works to get traffic, so how can this product be so bad?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mifoxy
            Is this for beginners or for advanced CPA webmasters??
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            • Profile picture of the author danhughes
              Ha! Thanks Dave for assuming I would be talking out of my butt, lol. Any review is always going to be opinion. I am not deific enough to think that my opinion is ever anything more.

              I had recommended the 30 Day Challenge to a former co-worker who was looking for a good way into IM and I guessing that's how they found out about this course and ended up purchasing it. He asked me to look over it b/c he was disappointed with it and wanted to know if he was missing something. He was not, and yes, I have seen the whole course.

              Sure Wordpress Direct works... why wouldn't it? It's blog and ping on an optimized template that auto-fills with keyword relevant scraped content. In other words it's basically the same as a good template (free), a good ping list (free) and a copy of Caffeinated Content ($77, one time). Throw in a couple of good optimization plugins and your probably ahead of the game.

              The "Ninja" idea behind the course is that you're getting the "unfair advantage" of cheaper clicks by increasing your Google quality score with splogs. If the "unfair advantage" of low cost clicks is going to cost you $397 a month, then the math seems a little off. Even if the splog gets you clicks 50% cheaper (very unlikely), then someone is going to have to be spending $800 bucks a month to even break even. I can spend that much in a day, but a beginner would be foolish to spend that much in a month. No one that has been successfully doing CPA for more than a month is going to hear anything new here. So the course is *definitely* for beginners.

              The course also fails to notify beginners of the ramifications of what they are being taught. In fact, the course tells people they are "allowed" to do certain things, or that doing them doesn't matter. An experienced person can make an educated decision on whether it's a good idea. A beginner who is being directed to do something can not.

              1) Scraping Yahoo Answers and republishing it is against Yahoo's terms of service.
              "NO COMMERCIAL REUSE OF YAHOO! SERVICES.You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade, resell or exploit for any commercial purposes, any portion or use of, or access to, the Yahoo! Services (including Content, advertisements, Software and your Yahoo! ID)"
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              Marty flat out tells people they are allowed to do it.

              2) The front page of the slog you make is going to be filled with creative from the offer you are promoting. They recommend that you just grab any relevant creative regardless of whether it has been approved for the channel you are using it in. They use email creative on a website. In another video they tell you to modify an advertisers creative. These can / will get your account banned and your commissions frozen. Technically, it could be copyright infringement.

              3) Pick an offer you like the look of regardless of the channels that are allowed. They use an offer on their splog that specifically says that web traffic is not allowed. They brush away the issues by saying that if you're told you can't, simply change your offer. What they don't tell you is that this again is something that can / will get your account banned and your commissions frozen. Changing offers will also be tough because if you're using a Direct Track network (they're using neverblue) getting banned from one will make it hard to get approved by others.

              The courses I did recommend have absolutely no affiliation with me. To avoid the idea that I might, I didn't even include links. I have thoroughly reviewed them both of them and find them highly suitable for the groups I recommended them to.

              @Mifoxy
              This course is very much for beginners.
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              • Profile picture of the author davemiz
                good response, lol no... I wasn't sure if you went thru the program in your last post or not, it was hard to tell.

                hard to imagine the course would be bad when the wpd stuff works to get traffic and matt knows about cpa stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrozmanith
    Our CPA Ninja course has not yet officially been launched to the public, so I am surprised to find a review here. We only did a pre-launch to WPD members only.

    Thanks @lordof for the concise review. As to @danhughes review, I have some corrections.

    I know Dan feels he is doing the readers on this forum a service with his review of our course, but I have to challenge his factually incorrect statements for the benefit of the readers here.

    First, the course does NOT require a paid WordPressDirect account. Although it is easier to do the steps outlined in Video 8 if you have a paid account, you can manually search your keywords on YouTube, etc and place the embed codes on your site. If you do want the convenience of doing things EXACTLY as we show in the course, then a Bronze account is all that is needed at $47 monthly. (When we launch we'll do bundled special so you can get an account even cheaper)

    Second, we do not advocate violating the network rules on creatives. We go to great lengths in that same Video 8 to discuss what creatives should be used where. In the case you cite of 'alteration', we are not altering the advertisers creative. Their landing page is their landing page. However, if we as blog creators want to create graphics that pull traffic on our own website with links to their landing creative, how is that any different in concept than writing a Google ad to drive clicks to that same landing page?

    Third, the reason we showed the use of a non-web traffic offer is that PPC traffic was allowed and PPC will be the source of our traffic. The blog is an intermediary. This is hardly a 'brush-off' as you claim, and in our opinion complies with the terms of the advertiser. We were illustrating a borderline case in an attempt to educate.

    Fourth, we do not go into the topics of media buying and alternate traffic channels as they are entire courses unto themselves. Using what we teach, it is possible for a complete beginner to make $300 daily profit using typical EPC offers. Going into these advanced traffic strategies is only going to confuse them. We want to establish the basics of the method so the student can start creating the infrastructure that will be the basis of their business, regardless of how they promote it. All the big CPA guys I know have this type of infrastructure - you can learn 10 more traffic strategies to leverage it once you have the basics done. Bottom line - this course is designed to pay for itself.

    Fifth, although Yahoo's terms have changed     on this issue since the launch of our WPD site, the Terms you cite from Yahoo do not apply to the user-generated content on the Answers site, since all the content is user-generated and Yahoo claims no ownership over it. Can Yahoo simultaneously enforce copyright over content they claim no ownership over? No, they simply claim a license is granted to them from the users. From Yahoo's doc;

    CONTENT SUBMITTED OR MADE AVAILABLE FOR INCLUSION ON THE YAHOO! SERVICES

    Yahoo! does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on the Yahoo! Services. However, with respect to Content you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Yahoo! Services, you grant Yahoo! the following worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive license(s)

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    Last, the boxed (physical) version of the course contains all the material (inlcuding the manuals) and since the first ones ship this week, so you cannot possibly have seen the entire course.

    Although Dan does not like our course, we know plently of people who are very successful in CPA marketing that do, including a few of the very most successful. Thanks all for your interest.

    -Marty Rozmanith
    CPA Ninja School

    P.S. - We also like Christian's PPC Ninja. It is inexpensive and the PPC tactics actually work well with the infrastructure we teach in CPA Ninja.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeterDudek
    I've said elsewhere in this forum that IMO Matt Trainer can be trusted to provide excellent content.

    I know Marty as a fellow-member of Frank Kern's Platinum Mastermind Group (The Plasterminders). Marty is extremely intelligent and capable. And he's good people. An honest, hard-working, very giving person...same as Matt.

    I have not seen the details of Matt and Marty's course. But I know them and I'm sure the course will be of the highest quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author malcasid
    I just got my copy! Can't wait to go through it.
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    • Profile picture of the author socksiong
      I've went thru the first 2 modules and its very informative. What I like are the process maps. I'm a picture guy and process maps are really beneficial. video reviews coming soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author DarrenB
        Hi Marty,

        You succinctly described Yahoo's right to use the information that their users post to Yahoo Answers.

        However, what rights have these same users given for you or I to use their answers on our websites? Presumably we'd need the same permissions that Yahoo have obtained - otherwise isn't this copyright breach?

        And more importantly has anyone obtained a proper, independent legal opinion on the use of Yahoo Answers on their own website?

        Personally, I've no interest in using the material but - until someone actually produces a proper legal opinion confirming it can be legitimately used - anyone who does surely must be playing with fire.

        Best regards
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Anybody have a link to this one? I haven't heard of it before but that method is solid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Woody C
    Here you go PPC-Coach:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...pa-ninjas.html

    I love this inter-thread weaving. I recommended this thread in the above thread lol. The first post has a link.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eben
      i went through this course about a month ago. aside from the bits by Marty, Matt Trainer's portions are the EXACT SAME CONTENT he gave out as a bonus for Mass Control 2.0, of which he also later sold as a standalone product.

      so essentially, Matt has managed to sell the same material 3 times (MC2 bonus, Bad Ass CPA course, and CPA Ninja). A good business model I'm sure we can all learn from..
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Eben View Post

        i went through this course about a month ago. aside from the bits by Marty, Matt Trainer's portions are the EXACT SAME CONTENT he gave out as a bonus for Mass Control 2.0, of which he also later sold as a standalone product.

        so essentially, Matt has managed to sell the same material 3 times (MC2 bonus, Bad Ass CPA course, and CPA Ninja). A good business model I'm sure we can all learn from..
        Yep, noticed the same, Matt is the king of repackaging the same stuff, wang in a slightly different bonus, change the intro credits on the videos and voila..
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      • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
        Originally Posted by Eben View Post

        i went through this course about a month ago. aside from the bits by Marty, Matt Trainer's portions are the EXACT SAME CONTENT he gave out as a bonus for Mass Control 2.0, of which he also later sold as a standalone product.

        so essentially, Matt has managed to sell the same material 3 times (MC2 bonus, Bad Ass CPA course, and CPA Ninja). A good business model I'm sure we can all learn from..
        That's a good thing?
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    I just checked this out after a tweet from Reese.

    I too am building out on wordpress but i want to use custom mashups for content not WPdirect.

    I am also building on WPMU - as for landing pages well there are some very inexpensive plugins and products for setting up PPC landing pages and review pages on WP blogs.

    As for the quality score - you gotta ask the Google monster what keywords your landing page is relevent for and just bid on those.

    If they are making $100 K per day - I'm listening but I don't want to use subscription services like WPdirect.

    I want independence and redundancy with my systems.
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  • Profile picture of the author trymvtdotcom
    I saw the affiliate page for CPA Ninjas (it's by invitation only)...
    They're giving away great prizes...

    TOP OPT-IN LEADER PRIZE:
    A Brand New 2009 Solstice Roadster In Any Color You Want

    2nd Place Opt-ins Prize: A $5000.00 cash bonus

    3rd Place Opt-ins Prize: A $4000.00 cash bonus

    Rest of Top 20 affiliates:
    2000 leads or more = A $2500 cash bonus
    1000 leads or more = A $1500 cash bonus
    500 leads or more = A $750 cash bonus

    Rest of Top 40 affilaitesf:
    1000 leads or more = A $1000 cash bonus
    500 leads or more = A $500 cash bonus
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    • Profile picture of the author Eben
      lol.. notice Matt has now dropped the word 'school' for this relaunch, and has also added the name Amish for yet another repackaged product with the same material.
      i somehow doubt Amish will actually be on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbdear
    I watched a video that made the entire content piece look automatic ... but in the pre-launch webinar last night Marty said you need to spend some time each week writing original posts to optimize for Google. Not as automated as I had hoped.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michele Buch
    A newbie without web presence will not get approval to sell CPA offers. The latest product prelaunch video suggests setting up a brochure site in order to get accepted. They show as an example their own site, mmiinnovations (and ask that you please don't copy any of it). However, that site states things a newbie can never say, such as helped over 1,000 business reach a top ten search engine ranking, owns over 10,000 websites, and has a link building system that will get a site over 100 links a month.

    So, the program
    1) Needs to cost way less than $995. Try $199. (If everyone refuses to buy at the high price, they will drop it.)
    2) Needs detailed information for the newbie on setting up a site that will get approval by neverblue or other CPA companies.
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  • Profile picture of the author themarketingdirt
    You can get approved by CPA network without web presence. You just need to buy a few nice looking templates, slap up some content, and go out there and get some active affiliate links to make it look legit. When all else fails, call them and explain that you are a experienced PPC marketer and only do paid advertising, that's why you don't own any high ranking sites. I know this sounds shady, but how can you prove yourself if you aren't given a chance?

    However I do think $997 is expensive. They probably saw other CPA courses selling for $1297 and thought "why could I sell a similar product at a lower price". Then again if $997 pains you get PPC may not be suitable for you because you probably end up paying a lot more than $997 to drive traffic to your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eben
      just got a confirmation from Matt that this is the exact same content from previous releases. all the other ones were just test runs leading up to this official product.

      so for anyone who has gone through the previous 'CPA Ninja" videos, no need to waste time with this one. what they charged before was reasonable, but $997 is a joke considering it's mostly just Marty pimping wpdirect..
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      • Profile picture of the author AmericanWoman888
        Thank you kindly for all of the responses.

        I know I was helped greatly by all of the feedback. I hope it helped others as well.

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  • Profile picture of the author malcasid
    I did an `unboxing` of CPA Ninja. If anyone's interested the link is in my signature.
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  • Profile picture of the author carsons23
    I received the invite email last week and the video link promoting CPA Ninja 2 days ago. I was very interested until I got the last pathetic, pleading email urging me to take advantage of the "special pre-order". I smell a rat.
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  • Profile picture of the author nzdealer
    Lol for all those you are interested. The launch will happen in about 2 hours. It is priced at 997.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eben
      Amish's bonuses for this course is really good. And his 3 day Seminar will be $3,997 :rolleyes:

      w00t! I'll see you guys in San Diego!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bakai
    I have unsubscribed from 4 lists today from people I would otherwise have respect for, because they sent me emails trying to sell me this product. From what I have heard this is blatantly overpriced general information that you can buy here in the WSO section for $10.
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  • Profile picture of the author MAV923
    I got it when it first came out, and got WPDirect, because the OTO made it seem it was required, I know Matt says it isnt, but at least some of the training makes it seem like it (to me).

    I thought it was ok, but returned it based on the WPDirect issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Axeman63
      LOL

      I bought this course pre-launch because I trusted Marty based on my WPD experience and some of the free videos he's done.

      As a relative Newbie reading these posts I now feel a little as if someones pulled my pants down.

      Having said that I have learned a great deal about PPC and CPA from a base of very little.

      I also had no problems at all getting accepted to a major Network by following their advice - which by the way includes Matt saying be honest about your experience. I even told them I had no CPA experience but I was doing CPA Ninja course and dropped in a few buzz words.

      The hook for this course is that using WPD SEO you mitigate your PPC testing loses on Google.

      A bonus video rectifies some continuity issues but I still have a problem in that the idea WPD makes thing easy for a Newb, yet when it comes to tracking it actually makes it harder neh impossible for a non techie to add tracking code (or so it seems to me)

      Taking a wider perspective I am sure this course will reap me a really good ROI, but then that is partly down to my belief in the power of intention as much as anything else.

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  • Profile picture of the author jeanmarie
    I purchased the Bad Ass version of this course. On the 1st or 2nd lesson Matt said he thought q&a's were worthless as well as having seminars to fully explain things. Was not the least impressed. I'm still waiting for my refund.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Sean
      Originally Posted by jeanmarie View Post

      I purchased the Bad Ass version of this course.
      What do you mean by this version?
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    Hi Nick

    The previous cpa program they put out which was about 6-8 weeks ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arfan
    I have been receiving so many of their emails every hour, wondering the same thing if the program was any good. I saw a ustream broadcast of theirs and it was pretty dull not something I would purchase. Wonder how many people really purchased their product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    Very good course! Matt and Marty rock it on this one. I am about to launch a project with their outline given. I am in several CPA networks so I may tie a couple of different offers from each one or use the prosper202 rotate script. PPC always scares me but with Amet and Amish Shah and their products I feel a bit more comfortable with it now. Google quality score is a beast to overcome. Both guys are honest and very knowledgeable.

    I will report my CPA results once I get the whole thing up and running. I won't be using the WPD I will be installing Wordpress and using some of my articles on several sites like Ezine and associated content to provide keyword content.

    Very awesome course guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author apple87jane
    Sorry to ask, why using the ninja school for the name of CPA?
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    I also noticed how often Matt has sold this exact same content, it's becoming somewhat of a joke in an inner circle I converse in, Trainer is the king of selling the same average stuff time after time with different wrapping paper.
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    • Profile picture of the author jzehr39158
      I used it for a few months before I canceled. As a newbie, I thought it would instantly propel me to wealth. (I'm far more critical of sales hype now.) :p

      Although I like Marty, he played a minor role on the product. Matt's teaching style is almost incomprehensible. I had to listen to the videos a half dozen times, just to make out what he was saying. It wasn't until the printed version arrived that I was able to act on some of what he said--particularly the parts about subIDs and using his excel template to generate Adwords campaigns.

      All I can say is...wish I'd known about the Warrior Forum a year ago.

      PS. Oh. This was the kicker--My very first campaign was for an **** product. I followed Matt's instructions to the letter. He recommended bidding $1 per click. IMHO, that's really bad advice to give a newbie. Ah well. Live and learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author musman
    all the info you can get free on other forums. dont really need to buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Besides other things, seems like an example of not being a good teacher. You may make millions of dollars with your methods but can you teach them to others effectively? I have taken a few courses and have to say the millionaire guys are often the worst teachers.

    Regardless of that age old joke of if you can't do, you teach, it's simply not true! Think of all the teachers you have had. Most were average but there at least a few great teachers who truly inspired you and helped you to LEARN. Anyone thinking about doing a course needs to take some clues from great teachers, as well as marketers.
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