Is Carbon Copy Pro only for the rich? Is it MLM?

MikeGriffith · 05-14-2009, 01:08 PM

Is Carbon Copy Pro on the level? I've heard it's very expensive and that it's not really an mlm business.

mathiaslebesby · 05-14-2009, 01:15 PM

I've also been very curios about what this is all about.
I emailed one of the affiliates the other day, and the response I got was:
"Hey
You have subscribed to my list through the system, the system can explain itself much better than I can (and bother to) do. So just follow the link in the email.

"

But the website isn't very informative is it?
It just tries to get us curious. And then I'm supposed to pay $50 + $15 sh to apply for their course...

What is this all about?
I wanna know. Is it MLM? 2Up? Affiliate Marketing?

Loren Woirhaye · 05-14-2009, 02:54 PM

CCP is a marketing system. I think it probably has an affiliate
program for participants. The monthly fee is around $150
per month to use it I think.

It is a marketing system for Wealth Masters International -
a program which promoters are ostensibly barred from discussing
in forums for some reason. This may have changed. There
is no ban on affiliates discussing CarbonCopyPro - and anyway,
since I'm not affiliated with either I am under no restrictions.

WMI:

It's an MLM as much as any 2-level affiliate program is MLM -
just on 2-levels.

Such statements evoke shrieks of protest from IMers who "hate MLM"
and love affiliate marketing.

Basically (I'm not in the program so I don't know all the details) -
it's an affiliate program for those who buy the product - with
your "sponsor" earning an "over-ride" commission on each sale
you make.

When you earn an over-ride from affiliates you personally
sponsor your own sponsor earns nothing from that sale -
thus it is a 2-level affiliate program which allows all affiliates
to sponsor as many people as they are able to - in MLM
this is known as unlimited width.

If you come-in without buying the product you would have to
"pass-up" several sales in order to qualify to earn commissions.
I'm not sure how many. It is probably a hybrid between an
2-level affiliate and a 2-up direct sales program - depending on
what level of commitment you made yourself with regards to
purchasing the products and seminar tickets yourself.

Hope this helps.

Amfire · 05-15-2009, 02:17 AM

Loren,

have you personally worked with such model? what's your experience about this kind of marketing?

Thanks

Loren Woirhaye · 05-15-2009, 10:05 AM

I've worked with 1-ups and 2-ups. It's real sales, real
marketing - not selling ebooks. You have to look at selling
as a profession to succeed in the business, otherwise you
won't get the results you want or even (probably) recoup
your investment.

Many of these companies say they are in the personal
development business - and they are -because it's about
developing real skills, people skills, sensitivity, marketing
skills too. You can make a lot of money in direct sales -
but if you are not able to work on your own selling skills
and speak with prospects you probably won't - because
when you use "systems" where other people are supposed
to make the calls for you they'll call once or twice - real
sales requires rigorous follow-up and in many cases the sale
will happen after months and months of consistent marketing.

I'm not saying you should chase people on the phone - just
that people want to make the right decision so if you want
to succeed in sales you need to be prepared to really go
the distance. Most people don't have what it takes, which
is why new programs pop-up and promoters "jump in" because
that way they can cash-in on hype and the bandwagon
effect... which lasts about a month and then you can expect
your results to flatline unless you have actual business-building
skills.

Building a real business requires commitment. Join my free
membership site - I explain it in there in multiple formats.

05-14-2009, 01:08 PM	#1
MikeGriffith HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 169 Thanks: 33 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts Social Networking	Is Carbon Copy Pro only for the rich? Is it MLM? Is Carbon Copy Pro on the level? I've heard it's very expensive and that it's not really an mlm business.

05-14-2009, 01:15 PM	#2
mathiaslebesby Growing War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Fredrikstad, Norway. Posts: 61 Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 46 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking	Re: Is Carbon Copy Pro only for the rich? Is it MLM? I've also been very curios about what this is all about. I emailed one of the affiliates the other day, and the response I got was: "Hey You have subscribed to my list through the system, the system can explain itself much better than I can (and bother to) do. So just follow the link in the email. " But the website isn't very informative is it? It just tries to get us curious. And then I'm supposed to pay $50 + $15 sh to apply for their course... What is this all about? I wanna know. Is it MLM? 2Up? Affiliate Marketing?

05-14-2009, 02:54 PM	#3
Loren Woirhaye Who'm I kidding? War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Easthampton, Massachusetts Posts: 4,542 Blog Entries: 15 Thanks: 117 Thanked 904 Times in 651 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Is Carbon Copy Pro only for the rich? Is it MLM? CCP is a marketing system. I think it probably has an affiliate program for participants. The monthly fee is around $150 per month to use it I think. It is a marketing system for Wealth Masters International - a program which promoters are ostensibly barred from discussing in forums for some reason. This may have changed. There is no ban on affiliates discussing CarbonCopyPro - and anyway, since I'm not affiliated with either I am under no restrictions. WMI: It's an MLM as much as any 2-level affiliate program is MLM - just on 2-levels. Such statements evoke shrieks of protest from IMers who "hate MLM" and love affiliate marketing. Basically (I'm not in the program so I don't know all the details) - it's an affiliate program for those who buy the product - with your "sponsor" earning an "over-ride" commission on each sale you make. When you earn an over-ride from affiliates you personally sponsor your own sponsor earns nothing from that sale - thus it is a 2-level affiliate program which allows all affiliates to sponsor as many people as they are able to - in MLM this is known as unlimited width. If you come-in without buying the product you would have to "pass-up" several sales in order to qualify to earn commissions. I'm not sure how many. It is probably a hybrid between an 2-level affiliate and a 2-up direct sales program - depending on what level of commitment you made yourself with regards to purchasing the products and seminar tickets yourself. Hope this helps.

05-15-2009, 02:17 AM	#4
Amfire Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the internet Posts: 673 Thanks: 26 Thanked 45 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Is Carbon Copy Pro only for the rich? Is it MLM? Loren Woirhaye Loren, have you personally worked with such model? what's your experience about this kind of marketing? Thanks

05-15-2009, 10:05 AM	#5
Loren Woirhaye Who'm I kidding? War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Easthampton, Massachusetts Posts: 4,542 Blog Entries: 15 Thanks: 117 Thanked 904 Times in 651 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Is Carbon Copy Pro only for the rich? Is it MLM? I've worked with 1-ups and 2-ups. It's real sales, real marketing - not selling ebooks. You have to look at selling as a profession to succeed in the business, otherwise you won't get the results you want or even (probably) recoup your investment. Many of these companies say they are in the personal development business - and they are -because it's about developing real skills, people skills, sensitivity, marketing skills too. You can make a lot of money in direct sales - but if you are not able to work on your own selling skills and speak with prospects you probably won't - because when you use "systems" where other people are supposed to make the calls for you they'll call once or twice - real sales requires rigorous follow-up and in many cases the sale will happen after months and months of consistent marketing. I'm not saying you should chase people on the phone - just that people want to make the right decision so if you want to succeed in sales you need to be prepared to really go the distance. Most people don't have what it takes, which is why new programs pop-up and promoters "jump in" because that way they can cash-in on hype and the bandwagon effect... which lasts about a month and then you can expect your results to flatline unless you have actual business-building skills. Building a real business requires commitment. Join my free membership site - I explain it in there in multiple formats.