truthspace

Thank you guys... I hear ya on going from one product to the next. It is so wacked how your mind works... you end up realizing how little you know about this stuff so you start racing around looking for the best "one" product to get ya going... haha then you keep getting these emails from people you see are super successful like Frank Kern and you want to get his stuff but can't so you try checking out some cheaper stuff... then you realize hey I'll just learn how to clone stuff using adwords but then you realize how dangerous the PPC game is cause of the cpc if you screw up so you want that good "intelligence software" and hope that you can follow that and it's not a waste... I am learning alot of free stuff which is good "Russell Brunsen" stuff and various others so I gettin' ready... I mean I only have gotton 2 IM programs in three months and they weren't bad... still going to watch the rest of the CB Code and join up with the GCD and just start in carefully testing the waters... how is that for starters? no more onfo products which I know is retarded to do... ;-)

dou9las

Very glad I found this thread, and like everyone else, kudos to WebReview for the candid and straight dope. Was starting to think this "Michael Jones" had something special. The man certainly has a good salesletter (and that vid/voiceover) going for him. If he did nothing but that as a consultant for all of the other marketers, he would probably be in good shape. Or maybe he has a future in radio and infomercials...

I think this is one of those cases of "write a killer sales page, then create the product to over deliver on value..." EXCEPT that he ran out of steam before getting to that last part.

I hear Commission Blueprint is a better system and more value for the money. About to look for threads here about that.

RussGu3

Hey Truthspace - PARAGRAPHS please!!

My two cents:

I opted-in the day before yesterday to see what was behind the intro video, and today I received an email from Michael Jones about another product - Copy-N-Profit!

Now, I'm not on any of his other lists, so it really surprised me to be getting pitched for some other product, rather than his own Clickbank Code.

I also received a promo email from Jack Humphrey about this product - which gave me pause.

Why did it give me pause? Because I had already visited this thread on day one and saw what the majority were saying about it.

And getting a recommendation by Jack (someone I've never heard anything but good about) for this product reminded me of other well-respected marketers recommending complete junk to me in the past.

Do these guys actually review the products? Or do they have their outsourcers do a quick review and throw together an email and load it into their autoresponder, so they can maintain a steady email profit stream?

Who knows...

One thing for sure. When that happens, the marketer's credibility is severely damaged in my eyes. And if it happens twice (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me...), it's UNSUBSCRIBE TIME!!

Like so many other people have said, the IM sphere is rife with $77 Clickbank/affiliate marketing products.

There may be multiple ways to skin the proverbial cat, but in the end, what you end up with is the same thing - work results in profit.

When you think about it, any one of us could take a collection of previously released $77 products - from Chris McNeeney, Chris Carpenter, Chris Rempel, Jonny Andrews and a dozen others - extract some key tidbits, put them into our own words and write our own ebook on Clickbank and affiliate marketing.

Thus, the frequently used term - re-hashed.

Hell, these guys rehash their own stuff on a regular basis!

In fact, there are several courses out there that teach you how to do exactly that - either non-plagiaristically copy someone else's work and create a product of your own or rehash/rebrand/repackage your own stuff.

Clearly, the more of these offerings you've bought and read, the less you are going to find that's new.

I mean, it's not like Clickbank is restructuring their entire operation on a monthly basis, right?

So, the primary target audience/customer base is the huge influx of IM newcomers (there's a sucker, I mean a customer born every minute...).

You notice how all the newbie reviews seem positive, while the more advanced folks are tearing this apart?

Maybe all of us more advanced folks should make sure all of our subscribers and customers know about this forum so they can at least get an idea about what they are being bombarded with before they unsuspectingly whip out their wallets.

I know I've saved countless dollars and hours by being a frequent visitor of just this part of the forum.

Over and out. Be well,

sarahstaar

Well all i can say is, this product has an amazing sales page. I have been told that the Clickbank Code sales page is bringing in over 100K a month !!

Higgey

Many thanks for your review- not only did it save me $77 but it also stopped me spending hours studying the videos and days/weeks trying it out.

I can now go back to the marketing actions I was going to do today......I am so grateful to you!

Kind regards,

John.

truthspace

yes paragraphs are good... I know... haha

Anywho The Clickbank Code is organized nicely and explains what you should to to get up an running... the major issue is: If it is for Newbies - you better be a rich Newbie. Cause how in the hell can you blow about 500 each day on adwords... wait for clickbank to pay you... and keep feeding adwords 500 a day... wow that would be nice but on this planet a newbie is not that flush with cash... you could do it for less but it doesn't work so well... I mean ya gotta follow the plan...

O and I got all those cross promoting emails too - they must have partnered up because there products are in the top ten of clickbank so they figured what the hell lets team up and really cash in... good move if ya ask me both products aren't bad either...

I just want some good intelligence software to show me PPC campaings to copy !!!! hahahahah is that GCD thing worth the 97 bucks a month membership? ahhhh I've heard alot of mixed wacked out pissed off people talk about that thing.... anybody got any new info on that?

agrotags

I am glad to find a forum where many people shared their experiences with these re-produced systems and with that given you the opportunity to choose to go for or not. I did purchased a product once from this same person, never got my requested refund back, his voice also helps him a lot in convincing people to buy his products but I already learned my lesson.

buddy7

xlfutur1 I totally agree with the NET after spending amount. Who cares if you made $120,000 in a month if you spent $110,000 to make it. (Not that $10,000 a month is something to sneeze at)

I think the $500 for an adwords budget is just what most people say so that your add gets seen as much as possible. On most words when you are starting out you aren't going to be spending anywhere near that.

Maryleena

I also bought CB-code a about a month ago, but I have refunded my purchse...I don't recomend it, you can get the same info for free, by looking for free e-books on the subject...Only thing I liked was the spreedshet he used to calculate if the product is worth buying ADs for.

tryinhere

The spreadsheet used was very poor quality in layout and design and in it's function

i would grade it 1/10 if that, it should have had a pro build it up as that sheet can be totally automated and made into a far superior worksheet / workbook

Jamie Lewis

LOL!

Now THAT is funny.

NightWolf

I personally thought CB Code was pretty good. Having been through about 5+ courses, I thought this was the best, in regards to "Clickbanking". My full review in my sig.

dontono7

Thanks for the info all of you - this is why I'm here, to get the "real scoop" on what is real and what is made up.

NightWolf

I see a lot of people slagging how other "top marketers" will promote crap. To me, basically, u gotta make ur own judgment.

I'm on the lists of around 10+ of those marketers, and yes, indeed they ALL promote the same products a lot of the time. I often see the EXACT same emails coming from 3-4 different marketers, obviously taken straight from the affiliate section of the product.

But that's the nature of the business...And obviously it's successful for them, or they wouldn't be doing it. If they've got a list of 10,000 subscribers, and even just 5% take their recommendation, that's an easy $20k.

Like Saj P said on his sales page for Zero Friction Marketing, he was "sickened" by the way some of those top guys talked about the fact that the people in their list "eat out of the palm of their hands" etc.

Se la vie I suppose, that's the nature of Affiliate Marketing.

Back to Clickbank Code, and the $500 ad-spend that freaks everyone out...obviously you can scale that down to say $100, $200, but use the same principles?

My two cents...

P.S. Yes, a lot of it is re-hashed, but what newbie or intermediate would buy a 2 year old product, knowing that in this business things change so often?

Ron Storvik

I admittedly am a newbie to internet marketing and I probably don't have anywhere near the experience that many of you have. I did buy the ClickBank Code back in May when it first came out. I have gone through the training material 3 times and I have been very impressed with his material. I have learned a lot and I have started to use his methods with a certain amount of success. His referencing $500/ day for advertising is only an arbitrary budget for example purposes and he actually guides and cautions you to use a much smaller amount in actual use. He in the testing non-live stage sets a budget high enough for the non-live test case to generate about 500 clicks per day. I think he would have been better off to use in his promotional material a smaller figure so as not to scare people away. I am not making a ton of money yet but I can say that I think his product is good and I have learned a lot from it. I wish you all the best!

Ron Storvik
makemoneyanywhereonline.com

HeyAdMan

Thank you for such a detailed review. This has saved me some money.

apollocreed

LOL.

The guy is promting the same product on his site.

I would not trust such a review.

Apollo

Ron Storvik

I previously had been promoting the "Clickbank Code" on Google and other pay per click sites but my return on the investment did not pay off. I was getting a pretty good response or click through to my page but after the visitors went from my page to the pitch page developed by the author of the "Clickbank Code", the number of people that filled out orders compared to the number of people that visited was VERY LOW. As I stated in my previous post I am a newbie and although I was making some money I found that I wasn't making enough money to continue promoting that product with pay per click. I did get a lot of information from his product but in all honesty it is not performing in a way that I would have expected after I ramped-up my advertising. Maybe I need to find a different product to promote using his his methods but after my poor results with my first attempt I am somewhat skeptical. I hope this is helpfull to you.

Anonymous Affiliate

That sounds EXACTLY like Commission Blueprint 1.0

kdockins

Your assessment of the steps in "Clickbank Code" are perfectly accurate. I also purchased the "Clickbank Code" on January 2, 2010.

Ironically, I just refunded it. But, not because the product is not a good one. In fact, to support the author of this program... the steps are clearly laid out, and well described.

There are even lots of "insider" tips and tactics that "real-life" affiliate marketers can benefit from. However, I refunded it because soon after purchase, I received a similar offer from the same author, for a more appropriate sounding product called, "The AFFILIATE Code."

What was bothering me about The ClickBank Code" is that is relies most heavily upon the PPC technique, which, for beginning PPC marketers, can be quite an expensive lesson to learn.

Nonetheless... I am making this post today, because a thought just occurs to me...

Thinking about some of the best Internet-marketing-related products I have purchased and used during 2009 and up to now in 2010, they all have a basic central theme... and this theme is the most difficult thing for the "average" person to accomplish.

That is, sooner or later, you discover that you must write an ENORMOUS sum of articles, or post a MONUMENTAL number of blogs, or buy and set GIGANTIC numbers of brand new, fully activated websites for each and every product idea that comes to your mind.

Although these things are "possible," as evidenced by the fact that at least a few individuals are actually doing this... essentially where and how does an average, single-handed, person find the time to do all of these things without assistance of any kind whatsoever?

For example, some "gurus" claims that they can write 5 to 10 high quality articles good enough to be accepted by EzineArticles... in only about one hour! And this is needed because these marketing plans literally call for about 20 to 30 articles per keyword campaign!

I think I will stop buying stuff for a moment, and just talk with you guys here at Warrior Forum... to make more sense of it all. There must be a legitimate way to sensibly make considerable income online without buying all of these software programs... which tend to cost up to $100 or more, each.

I welcome some helpful and insightful comments here.

Sincerely,

K e n

Judikke

I also spent the $77 as i was looking for a place to start. I bought it because 'no experience' was required. But when i started watching the video's i understood rather quickly that infact you do need experience and that i needed to invest more than i had anticipated. Therefor i would not recommend this if you are just starting out.

kevin_costy

Hy everyone I am a newbie in the IM. I`m looking to start something but for mi is a little bit dificil because I live in Spain and my goals are to start a campaign in spanish for the moment but I have no luck with this at this moment, I think that The affiliate Code is more apropiate to beginners lessons,I have it and I learn something much more that you could learn from Clickbank Code and is more simple but it has his bugs(for example WordPress MU because that how you get advise to generate traffic to your site)and at this moment lots of this MU Blogs do not have signup and I think for this reason you have to go on your one in this chapter but for learning the first steps is pretty good
Have a good day!

sarahstaar

I think this happens a lot with IM products. the sales page says no experience needed, and I think they usually are referring to the fact that no experience in their systems is needed. This is very misleading as some people who are starting out do not have the basic skills such as registering a domain name and setting up web hosting.

CBSnooper

Regarding the refund rate on CBSnooper, it cannot be calculated with any accuracy due to the way the $earned figure is calculated on Clickbank. If the vendor only has one product for that account then it should be reasonably accurate. That is, if we have managed to get the price of the product correct. If there is a zero refund rate, then it's probably because we haven't managed to get a price for it.

Teez

The one good thing that click bank code has in my opinion is the traffic generation method in module 6 that is a true killer of a tactic. Maybe cos Im not as seasoned as others its a big deal to me but I found that an excellent tip,

Then the next thing I found useful was the way to check how clickban k products are doing i.e amount of refunds e.t.c for any particular product, also his walk through the commission junction is also useful if your new to that.

But these are useful if you already know how to seo ur site ie.
pick a good domain name in ur chosen niche
You know how to do the sitemap for your site and all that technical stuff ie metat tags and all.
Write good content for ur site
write articles to get backlinks to help u rank
Post to do follow forums to help ur rankings.

Iff you already know these things then like ur fairly out of the novice sector and u'll find some things in the clickbank code very useful.

But if your a brand new newbie like I was some time ago then u may find you have more questions rather than solutions in this clickbank code.

But luckily we have the wealth of knowledge here at WF if not we'd really be chasing a dream.

Teez

By the way I have a question if you have a blogger that ends in blogspot.com


eg Teez.blogspot.com

and then custom domain it to teez.com via blogger

Then would be right in thinking I can still use the traffic generation techniques in module 6 of the clickbank code where M.Jones uses ''wp Mu's'' to drive traffic to his site.

Cos I understand he says don't ever do it for a .com but if its technically a blog I just custom domained into a .com is that alright?

Ishan Soni

Instead of paying $500 on adwords, I would hire 2 full time outsourcers from phillipines at $250/person and get them to do article marketing for me full time.

Long term massive traffic.

Jackaroo

I notice these posts were all in may 2009 ... any reports on the affectiveness of these products ... clickbank and affilliate code ... both seem almost identical.

MLDerk

That's good advice. However, if a person is new (I'm a rank newbie) to the "field," spending on one or two products might not be a bad idea. My first week, I went hogwild and bought a bunch with the idea that I would look into them in detail, pick two at the most and return the rest.

I know I was flirting with not being able to purchase through Clickbank any more, but I got through and found four products that gave a lot of information and seemed to be good products. I had a hard time trying to pick just two. But I was determined, and found two that appear to be working for me (I haven't used them long enough to be sure - obviously they aren't miracle products ).

I won't tell you which two I chose until I've used them long enough to see if they were truly good choices. Also, each person needs to follow their own trail and choose not only the product, but the method of finding them.

xxxJamesxxx

No I wouldn't mind a bit of that!

James Scholes