JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script?

dlwalsh · 05-16-2009, 01:49 PM

Hi Byron

Yes it does. That can be used to create your sales page, edit your templates and add content to your thank you page. It is part of Delavo and cannot be used outside of the platform though.

Donna

Donna

dlwalsh · 05-16-2009, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.

Hi Steve

John wil constantly be updating Delavo with the features that users want (through plug-ins). So you don't need to worry about purchasing a script just to have it out of date in a year or so.

Fantsos went through 18 updates in just over 2 years not counting the plug-ins which added additional features. I am not sure have many updates JV Manager had but it was a lot.

Plus, you get UNLIMITED everything you need (Products, Packages, membership sites, Affiliate programs) at no additional charge which some other platforms don't offer.

Donna

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

Hi Byron

Yes it does. That can be used to create your sales page, edit your trmplated and add content to your thank you page. It is part of Delavo and cannot be used outside of the platform though.

Donna

Donna

It can also be used for if you want to turn Devalo into a membership site??

Gene Pimentel · 05-16-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Delavera

So DELAVO is the best. And free too, for 7 days.

Hi John,

Clarification please -- does that mean after 7 days of using it a purchase will be required? Or does it mean that the free offer is available for 7 days (whoever gets it during those 7 days gets to keep it free)?

Thanks,

Gene

dlwalsh · 05-16-2009, 01:58 PM

Hi Byron

Delavo sets up the membership site. You will need to add content in the protected folder just as if it was a website. You cannot use the WYSIWYG editor for creating content for this folder.

Donna

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

Hi Byron

Delavo sets up the membership site. You will need to add content in the protected folder just as if it was a website. You cannot use the WYSIWYG editor for creating content for this folder.

Donna

Ahh right.... Thats a little bit of shame

hmmm I might have to get a coder to write php then....

Kirk Ward · 05-16-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.

Steve,

I have no experience with memberspeed, but I do have with aMember and it is a good solid script with decent support and it has more than one method of protecting your site. It just did not fit the model I needed for my site.

If you are looking for "power," and can handle "tetchy" people, then Delavo may be a good choice, if, as they said it is built on the Fantasos model. You will find that the people who use it are very happy with it, after they get past the learning curve. You will also find the technical support (the mechanical operating of the script) to be excellent. My only complaint was the lack of clarity in the how to use it materials.

After the Fantasos developers email that came across as if he was abandoning the users, I switched to WPWishlist Member on a Wordpress engine and have been quite happy as there is lots of freely available support, and it is easily customizable to a sites unique needs. I've been very happy with that decision.

Kirk

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

Hi John,

Clarification please -- does that mean after 7 days of using it a purchase will be required? Or does it mean that the free offer is available for 7 days (whoever gets it during those 7 days gets to keep it free)?

Thanks,

Gene

As far as I am aware the only thing you have to purchase for is the plugins if need be.. I belive if you pick it up free during the 7 days, it will remain free for you

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

I am also deciding between memberspeed, delavo and amember pro.. It is a shame to see the dirty linen being washed in public here on this thread like that. However, I look forward to trying all three and will make a decision based on each platform's merits.

Another thing I noticed with memberspeed is that it is very very costly.. $57 dollars per month?? no way....

dlwalsh · 05-16-2009, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron_Wells

As far as I am aware the only thing you have to purchase for is the plugins if need be.. I belive if you pick it up free during the 7 days, it will remain free for you

That is correct. The only cost will be optional plug-ins. But just the core Delavo that you can get for free does so much more than other platforms.

Plus you will get the step by step manuals with numerous screenshots ( I wrote these in the same way I wrote the ones for Fantasos and had NUMEROUS people tell me they were better manuals then Fortune 500 companies produce

), videos, the help files, workshops, and the forum at no additional charge.

There is no way you will get that with another platform and all at no charge.

Donna

briancol · 05-16-2009, 03:36 PM

Hi Byron,

Well, JVManager 1 seems to have gotten a little lost in this growing thread ;-)

I wouldn't write it off - for $97 it is still the best value (in my opinion) script for centralizing your core administration for products, memberships, affiliates, payment, delivery and security - yes I am a reseller (and am flattered by what has been said above).

Let's not lose sight that Fantasos and now Delavo have been built on the same basic model of JVManager 1 and Fantasos has been a great tool as a result and has evolved into an absolute monster of a script as a result - I for one am looking forward to still using it for years to come in addition to using Delavo - which has been stated many times would be crazy not to pick it up for free.

I don't have an awful lot of information on Delavo, except to say that John is generously offering it for free starting tomorrow (may 17th - his birthday) - no purchase required, I will personally be picking up my copy and playing with it and adding it to my arsenal of scripts (I will also happily pay for any plugins produced and any support that I am asked to).

Personalities and (fierce) loyalties aside, this family of scripts continue to make me money and a lot of others that I know - yes there are other scripts that can provide functionalities that are similar but I have yet to find one that I trust with my business more.

You don't have to beleive me but the ONLY thing I have added to the basic core of the JVM's is a CMS platform (by the same man) and a help desk system (by another company - John doesn't do one - yet) - starting off for free with Delavo or JVM-1 for $97, in my opinion is a smart move that will take your business forward without having to worry about the important stuff like taking orders (direct or affiliate generated), presenting them to Paypal (and others) and delivering the goods.

Watch out though ;-) you will become a fan.

Brian

Barry Walls · 05-16-2009, 03:43 PM

I can tell you for certain...get whatever John Delevera sends out.

I have had 2 seperate skype conversations with BrianCol which took over 4 hours in total and he walked me through everything after I'd got stuck on a few points once I'd read the manuals. Im a total non techie (he had to explain some really basic stuff to me...patience of a saint!).

I can understand the earlier guy ranting about its complexity and Donna biting back about not reading the manual, but its really simple funnell if you get stuck...

1. Check inline help
2. Check manual
3. Check forum
4. Submit a ticket
5. Call your reseller
6. Phone support

You will get frustrated if you dont take the time to learn all the features properly...but you only need to do it once.

It takes a little while to "get" it, but once you do, it is all encompassing, flexible, intuitive and simple.

The training is massive, organised and in intricate detailed (Thanks Donna!) and the support (multiple lines of support) is first class. I've even called support on the phone and they spent as much time with me as I needed...over an hour.

Its the most powerful piece of kit Ive seen online for back end management, affiliate management, product delivery, memberships and centralised data management.

If you're going to get something....start off on the right foot...you won't regret it.

All the best

Barry

PS - Im a complete tech muppet...if I can do it, anyone can!

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjock

I can tell you for certain...get whatever John Delevera sends out.

I have had 2 seperate skype conversations with BrianCol which took over 4 hours in total and he walked me through everything after I'd got stuck on a few points once I'd read the manuals. Im a total non techie (he had to explain some really basic stuff to me...patience of a saint!).

I can understand the earlier guy ranting about its complexity and Donna biting back about not reading the manual, but its really simple funnell if you get stuck...

1. Check inline help
2. Check manual
3. Check forum
4. Submit a ticket
5. Call your reseller
6. Phone support

You will get frustrated if you dont take the time to learn all the features properly...but you only need to do it once.

It takes a little while to "get" it, but once you do, it is all encompassing, flexible, intuitive and simple.

The training is massive, organised and in intricate detailed (Thanks Donna!) and the support (multiple lines of support) is first class. I've even called support on the phone and they spent as much time with me as I needed...over an hour.

Its the most powerful piece of kit Ive seen online for back end management, affiliate management, product delivery, memberships and centralised data management.

If you're going to get something....start off on the right foot...you won't regret it.

All the best

Barry

PS - Im a complete tech muppet...if I can do it, anyone can!

Barry

Because you are complete tech muppet (your words

) did you have to spend more on someone coding/designing your website to run the membership around? Or was you able to do that yourself??

Steve Crooks · 05-16-2009, 04:05 PM

Will Delavo have a plugin or offer the ability to dripfeed content over time based on when the member joins?

Barry Walls · 05-16-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron_Wells

Barry

Because you are complete tech muppet (your words

) did you have to spend more on someone coding/designing your website to run the membership around? Or was you able to do that yourself??

Byron

I did it all myself...with the help of my reseller....BrianCol. You should speak to Brian. He's a top man...thoroughly recommend his services. Maybe he'll do you a deal if you PM him...I dont know how he's fixed for time.

One thing I did was actually read all the material, create multiple reference mind maps, study the videos. That was a three months ago now. Now I can add a new product or membership in no time...now I've got the hang of it and have recorded all the steps in my mind.

I never spent another penny on coding or designing...infact I saved $300 on graphics I am NOW able to produce myself thanks to an additional membership I bought from Delevera. Headers, banners everything.

Theres a lot of stuff to get through...but its a great investment in your business.

All the best

Barry

dlwalsh · 05-16-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancol

Hi Byron,

I wouldn't write it off - for $97 it is still the best value (in my opinion) script for centralizing your core administration for products, memberships, affiliates, payment, delivery and security - yes I am a reseller (and am flattered by what has been said above).

Brian

Brian

I agree that JV Manager is still a useful platform.

BUT why would anyone invest $97 in a platform that will NEVER be updated, is very difficult to learn, is no longer supported by the developer (John), and has very poor documentation when they can get Delavo free?

And Delavo will centralize your business and offers unlimited Products, Packages, Memberships, Affiliate programs, payment, delivery and security.

I too am a reseller and sell JV Manager 1 for $97 but I feel I would be doing my subscribers and customers a diservice but not recommending that they get Delavo for free instead of purchasing JV Manager 1 from me.

After all, Delavo is in its infancy and will only get better while JV Manager 1 is in its "golden" years (aka OLD

).

Donna

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjock

Byron

I did it all myself...with the help of my reseller....BrianCol. You should speak to Brian. He's a top man...thoroughly recommend his services. Maybe he'll do you a deal if you PM him...I dont know how he's fixed for time.

One thing I did was actually read all the material, create multiple reference mind maps, study the videos. That was a three months ago now. Now I can add a new product or membership in no time...now I've got the hang of it and have recorded all the steps in my mind.

I never spent another penny on coding or designing...infact I saved $300 on graphics I am NOW able to produce myself thanks to an additional membership I bought from Delevera. Headers, banners everything.

Theres a lot of stuff to get through...but its a great investment in your business.

All the best

Barry

How do you get hold of him?

Barry Walls · 05-16-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron_Wells

How do you get hold of him?

I came to this forum when I made my mind up that I was going to go with fantasos, started a thread and asked for a reseller who would provide support in exchange for me buying through his link. Briancol stepped up.

I'm glad I did it.

Just send him a PM if you're interested.

All the best

Barry

toddilee · 05-16-2009, 05:38 PM

It really depends on your business. I have simple membership sites that use a basic script like Memberfire (which is super cheap and works well), but I also have sites that use more advanced and much more expensive member scripts - it really depends on the site you are building and what your requirements are, plus what your budget is.

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toddilee

It really depends on your business. I have simple membership sites that use a basic script like Memberfire (which is super cheap and works well), but I also have sites that use more advanced and much more expensive member scripts - it really depends on the site you are building and what your requirements are, plus what your budget is.

Do Memberfire come with a wusiswug editor?

What other membership scripts have you used please?

briancol · 05-16-2009, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

Brian

I agree that JV Manager is still a useful platform.

BUT why would anyone invest $97 in a platform that will NEVER be updated, is very difficult to learn, is no longer supported by the developer (John), and has very poor documentation when they can get Delavo free?

And Delavo will centralize your business and offers unlimited Products, Packages, Memberships, Affiliate programs, payment, delivery and security.

I too am a reseller and sell JV Manager 1 for $97 but I feel I would be doing my subscribers and customers a diservice but not recommending that they get Delavo for free instead of purchasing JV Manager 1 from me.

After all, Delavo is in its infancy and will only get better while JV Manager 1 is in its "golden" years (aka OLD

).

Donna

Donna,

Call me old fashioned but recommending a platform which has handled (and continues to handle) thousands of dollars of sales faultlessly, I think is a good recommendation.

Yes, under the current licensing arrangement, JVM-1 will not be updated - this may change, I don't know.

I disagree that it is difficult to learn and maybe Jay and Andre would disagree about the documentation, forum resources and videos.

I am recommending Delavo (who wouldn't given that it is from JD and it is free), I will get it tomorrow along with more than half of the internet marketing world.

What I won't do is to recommend something I have not seen and used to handle my business bottom line, you have an advantage here in that you have seen it.

I would not discourage anyone from getting a JD script (I have them all) and in fact the OP has indicated that a membership site is required - so now I am also recommending John's Little Script for Running A Membership Site is looked at as well as Contepass.

Brian

briancol · 05-16-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjock

I came to this forum when I made my mind up that I was going to go with fantasos, started a thread and asked for a reseller who would provide support in exchange for me buying through his link. Briancol stepped up.

I'm glad I did it.

Just send him a PM if you're interested.

All the best

Barry

Thanks Barry,

You've been kissing that blarney stone again ;-)

Byron, if you need me I'm just a P.M. away - just click on my name at the lop left of any of my posts.

Brian

dlwalsh · 05-16-2009, 08:14 PM

Hi Brian

Yes I do have an advantage as I have been able to play with Delavo for awhile now.
And I am very impressed with what I have seen. But that shouldn't be a surprise since John created it!

Donna

Byron_Wells · 05-16-2009, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancol

Donna,

Call me old fashioned but recommending a platform which has handled (and continues to handle) thousands of dollars of sales faultlessly, I think is a good recommendation.

Yes, under the current licensing arrangement, JVM-1 will not be updated - this may change, I don't know.

I disagree that it is difficult to learn and maybe Jay and Andre would disagree about the documentation, forum resources and videos.

I am recommending Delavo (who wouldn't given that it is from JD and it is free), I will get it tomorrow along with more than half of the internet marketing world.

What I won't do is to recommend something I have not seen and used to handle my business bottom line, you have an advantage here in that you have seen it.

I would not discourage anyone from getting a JD script (I have them all) and in fact the OP has indicated that a membership site is required - so now I am also recommending John's Little Script for Running A Membership Site is looked at as well as Contepass.

Brian

Alright Btian

Whats the name of the membersite script please??

NetMan · 05-16-2009, 09:27 PM

Kirk man you have balls dude!

You should reread yourself, indeed you personally attacked 2 persons in here, an answer that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and was not necessary to express you "opinion" about the software.

Especially after ALL the help you received in the Fantasos forum, granted to you form benevolent persons btw.

Cheers....

Andre Foisy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirk Ward

Tan,

The original post asked a question. I answered it.

If you had read my post, you would see that I mentioned that Fantasos is very powerful.

You also said "Love it or leave it." I have no problem with the software, only the difficulty of learning to use it, which is a very big consideration for anyone buying any sort of software these days. Not just will it be kept up to date, but "Can I use it?"
You can see from the litany of posts about the software that many people recognize its power. You can also see see some say you have to accept it as being hard to understand.

I don't need hard to understand. I need clarity in the written word.

Kirk

Sonja · 05-16-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

Hi John,

Clarification please -- does that mean after 7 days of using it a purchase will be required? Or does it mean that the free offer is available for 7 days (whoever gets it during those 7 days gets to keep it free)?

Thanks,

Gene

Hi Gene,

It means that it is yours to keep for free

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetMan

Kirk man you have balls dude!

You should reread yourself, indeed you personally attacked 2 persons in here, an answer that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and was not necessary to express you "opinion" about the software.

Especially after ALL the help you received in the Fantasos forum, granted to you form benevolent persons btw.

Cheers....

Andre Foisy

Andre,

Exactly!

Ralf Skirr · 05-17-2009, 07:37 AM

Wow, quite a discussion going on and I totally missed this til now.

Short remark about Kirk: I'm a mod of the Fantasos related forum too and I can also say that he bombarded us with tons of questions that the manuals and videos easily answered. Even when I told him exactly where to look he didn't bother using that information, even when I gave him detailled instructions what to do in Fantasos he did not bother to use it and came back with more questions. Kirk, you surely wasted many hours of our time and you have no ground whatsoever for complaining.

About the original question of the thread:

Quote:

Alright warriors

I am looking for people who have used the JV Manager script to find out if its the best out there....

Or what else would you recommended?

I have recently purchased Easy Member Pro, which does not have all the features that the top level scripts comes with...

Before I bought JVManager some years ago I had compared roundabout 40 ecommerce scripts and JVManager scored best for me. Meanwhile Fantasos has been developed and it is much, much better than JVManager was. Delavo will bring it one step further as the new code allows some things that were not possible with Fantasos code base. That will also bring some very cool new features regarding membership sites.

There are other good membership scripts as well, but I did not find any that I would prefer over Fantasos / Delavo.

An important aspect for me is that Fantasos / Delavo not only manages my memberships but my complete line of products and services, plus affiliate program etc. etc. etc.

I did a lot of research before I chose this platform and I can highly recommend it.

Ralf

Ronster1 · 05-18-2009, 09:15 PM

I don't post very often, or voice my opinions, although I've been a member here for years.

I purchased JV Mgr1 a few years ago and got upset that it was difficult to use/understand.

Then I wanted my money back, and got it without any complaints from John.

(By the way, he personally issued my refund with a 'thanks for trying it' message.)

The script was still installed on my server though.

So I decided that I should at least go through the help files to see if maybe it wasn't as difficult to use as I had first thought.

I know, I'm brilliant aren't I. Expecting that I should be able to use an ultra powerful, multi-purpose, e-commerce platform without even cracking open the user manual.

Well what do you know, after reading the provided help files I got the script working.

I felt like a real idiot and I knew that I had made an error.

I publicly apologized to John on his forum and asked him if I could pay him back the money he had refunded so I could keep using the JV Mgr1 script.

He was very gracious and said ok.

I've been using JV Mgr/Fantasos to power my business ever since without any negative incident or security issues.

The moral of my little story is,
"We should not fear what we do not understand, we should embrace it, become a student of it."
-Quote from John Delavera

I'm anxiously awaiting Delavo.

-Ronster

Barry Walls · 05-19-2009, 12:00 AM

Ronster

It says a lot about you that you posted this publically and owned up to an silly, yet honest mistake and made it right and took action.

Kudos.

I've never spoken to John, but he strikes me as a man of very high integrity and humility and his actions don't surprise me in the least from what I've read about him and after reading his work.

All the best

Barry

DonDavis · 05-19-2009, 03:36 AM

I don't know anything about Delavo but amember is a great membership script. I found JVM extremely difficult and never did get it setup. I was able to setup amember myself. There isn't much need for knowledge of php if that is what you are concerned about. I am currently running two membership sites with amember and it is flawless.

Intrepreneur · 05-19-2009, 07:28 AM

It's difficult, very difficult, I mcompletely confused by, and think I might just give it a miss for now, was going to have a crack at it until the confusion set in, all I wanted to do was sell an ebook using it, but as said, it's hard to understand how to do it.

NetMan · 05-19-2009, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

It's difficult, very difficult, I mcompletely confused by, and think I might just give it a miss for now, was going to have a crack at it until the confusion set in, all I wanted to do was sell an ebook using it, but as said, it's hard to understand how to do it.

Many are claiming it is difficult since in fact, imho, it is not at all!

The only thing is that in reality most are surprised by its logic. That's it. When starting using JVManager or Fanrtasos you need a mind shift in the way things are usually done compared to all the scripts out there. That is why one get the "impression" that it is difficult to use while in fact it is not.

Everyone that took just a bit more time to get to know the beast had found it not only easy to use in reality but *extremely* powerful and flexible. And i can tell you after years of using both scripts, I'm still amazed everyday by the power of it...

And while Fantasos has been THE beast of Internet Business platform, nothing compares to this, REALLY, dot not underestimate the old pal JVManager 1, you would NOT believe the setup I could create with it

And as Brian stated, for $97.00 there's still no equal value on the Net, period.

Now, all that being said, can one now imagine the POWER Delavo(tm) will have with the "grandma ease of use" on top of that?

EVERYONE must jump on that right now! Don't ask questions, just GET IT!

Regards,

Andre Foisy

P.S: Where to get it? You can go to my site and click the Delavo banner if you will.

dlwalsh · 05-19-2009, 10:19 AM

Well, there are step by step manuals, videos, workshops, a forum, and 1 on 1 help from me via Skype (and ALL free) to get anyone up and running with Delavo ASAP.

And since Delavo is much more then a membership script, it only makes sense to get it when it is offered for free. Why waste time on something that canonly run your memberships when Delavo can run your entire Internet business?

I have used Fantasos since it was released and I can't say enough good things about it. I run all my products, my 4 membership sites, and ALL of my affiliate programs through just this one platform. And while some people say that it is difficult to learn, I have never thought that. I have found that those who think so have not used what is available: manuals, videos, forum, etc. Nor did they experiment with setting up procedures as outlined in the manuals and videos.

Delavo is the next generation and I am really looking forward to using it, especially since John said yesterday that every Fantasos owner with a PAID support subscription will get Delavo equal to Fantasos v1.18 at NO charge.

And even if you don't have Fantasos, the core Delavo far surpasses anything else available.

And to sweeten the deal, I will PERSONALLY help you understand how Delavo works and at NO charge whatsoever. So why would you pass on getting Delavo?

Donna

dgerik · 05-19-2009, 02:11 PM

WOW!!!

Talk about a spirited discussion

Let me see if I can offer something for consideration as to the statement of "Lifetime Upgrades" to Fantasos...

Let's compare John's 3 Business Platforms (JV Manager, Fantasos and the NEW Delavo) to Microsoft's Windows Products.

Let's say JV Manager is like Window 95.

John SOLD JV Manager and Microsoft SOLD Windows 95.

Both were delivered with the promise of "FREE UPGRADES through the life of the product." And customers rejoiced.

JV Manager was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought the concept of centralization to an industry that desparately need it.

Windows 95 was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought Personal computing our of the "dark ages" of DOS and into the modern world.

John made NUMEROUS upgrades to JV Manager (For FREE).

Microsoft made NUMEROUS upgrades to Windows 95 (For FREE).

But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated.

This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products.

In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products.

From John, out came Fantasos... And from Microsoft, came Windows XP.

John told all the owners of JV Manager, that while Fantasos is a completely NEW product that pales in comparison to JV Manager...they will get a FREE upgrade to Fantasos. Some owners of JV Manager grumbled as they accused John of reneging on his promise of "FREE Upgrades". And John had to defend himself.

Now, what did Microsoft do...

Microsoft told all the owners of Windows 95...that Windows 95 is no longer the current product. There will be no more development on Windows 95. It is replaced by Windows XP. And that if you want to remain current you NEED to PURCHASE the UPGRADE to Windows XP...and by the way, it will cost you $100 per upgrade (I think that was the price at the time). Owners of Windows 95 grumbled but they kept hearing how good WinXP is and that is was light years ahead of Win95...that in the end, they all sucked it up and decided to give Microsoft they hard earned money.

And John then once again promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Fantasos. And, Microsoft promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Windows XP.

John continues to develop and evolve Fantasos for the next few years as does Microsoft with Windows XP.

But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated.

This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products.

In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision that it is once again necessary to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products.

John began working on "Fantasos 2"...and told all owners of Fantasos...that he has begun development of "Fantasos 2" and that when it releases it, they will get it FREE of Charge and it will be GREAT. Please trust him. And John went back to developing "Fantasos 2".

Microsoft began working on Windows Vista and told all the owners of Windows XP...Windows Vista is GREAT, You will Love it... BUT it will cost you $200-400 per upgrade (depending on the version you want).

Users of Windows XP grumbled but in the end many decided to pay their money and upgrade to Windows Vista. And MANY were unhappy and "STUCK" with Windows Vista. BECAUSE Microsoft DOES NOT give refunds. Have a Nice Day...

John continues to develop on "Fantasos 2". It begins "morphing" into a greatly changed and improved product that takes advantage of all the latest and greatest technological advances of the past few years. (during the life of Windows Vista).

Windows Vista is a PR nightmare. Users of Windows Vista revolt and begin defecting to Apple and Linux. Microsoft must do something to stop the bleeding. So, Microsoft scrambles to make its successor, Window 7.

John stops to evaluate what he has created in "Fantasos 2". And although it might "resemble" Fantasos...it is most certainly an entirely new platform. It is obvious that "this creation" is definitely no longer "Fantasos 2". John must make a decision to make. And he announces that he is stopping development of "Fantasos 2" and that in fact, he will be releasing an incredible new business platform codename "D". More details will be forthcoming... But don't worry...John will make it right.

John now continues development in earnest on "D" and Microsoft continues to scramble with Windows 7 development.

Finally, John is comfortable with "D" that he is ready to announce its pending arrival. It is officially known as "Delavo". John knows he made a promise to Fantasos Owners they would get "Lifetime free upgrades to Fantasos"...but this is no longer Fantasos.

So, even though this is not Fantasos, John decides to honor his promise and will give all Fantasos Owners a FREE upgrade to Delavo. In fact, he says that for exactly one week, he will give EVERYONE a FREE copy of Delavo (that wishes to get one).

And Microsoft announces that Windows 7 will be released to the public in the 3rd quarter of 2009...and it will be GREAT... It will be everything Windows Vista should have been...BUT if you want it, be prepared to pay $200-$400 per upgrade)...as this is no longer Windows Vista...BUT you want this because it will fix all the shortcomings of Windows Vista.

JV Manager & Fantasos Owners begin to grumble that John is breaking his promise of free lifetime upgrades. They make accusations that Delavo is nothing more than Fantasos 2 renamed so he doesn't have to honor his promises.

Windows Vista owners are outraged at having to purchase Windows 7...but they say in desparation "FINE, we will pay you once again... When can we get it as Windows Vista SUCKS".

John Delavera says to the world... please come download Delavo for FREE (for this week*). It will be better than anything you have every seen. And, JV Manager Owners...while many of you upgraded to Fantasos for FREE...you can also upgrade to Delavo (including any Fantasos plugins you have) at a greatly reduced rate... and Fantasos owners...remember... you will get Delavo (including all your Fantasos plugins) for FREE...

But yet for some JV Manager / Fantasos owners this is just not good enough. They want, expect and demand more!!!

Hmmm... I wonder how many of thos JV Manager / Fantasos Owners are also Microsoft customers that purchased Windows 95, purchased Windows XP, purchased Windows Vista and are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to purchase Windows 7.

Come on folks... what more do you want from John...as apparently he is certainly less ethical than Microsoft in trying to dupe everyone into buying Delavo!!!

Oh well... I guess it takes all kinds and it just proves that there are those that will always expect and demand something for FREE...

Tonytsports · 05-19-2009, 02:40 PM

How do you get Devalo?

Everytime I think I am getting it I have to opt in to another list. After three list opt in exercises I just gave up.

dlwalsh · 05-19-2009, 02:46 PM

Sorry, it is my fault as I have not finished the help files and manuals yet. But I am working all day and night along with 2 others to get them completed ASAP. And it is VERY time consuming to write, take screenshots, edit, etc.

As soon as I have finished at least the help files, John will release Delavo(tm). So please, no one blame John. It is because I want all those files to be perfect that Delavo(tm) has not been released yet.

Donna

briancol · 05-19-2009, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron_Wells

Alright Btian

Whats the name of the membersite script please??

Hi Byron - the name of the script is "John's Little Script For Running A Membership Site"

Brian

briancol · 05-19-2009, 02:59 PM

Hi dgerik (Dennis),

Good comparison, i'll ask John the same question I asked Bill (never got an answer from Bill though) - any unmarried sisters? ;-)

Brian

mlevenhagen · 05-19-2009, 06:26 PM

For the record... I used JVM1... I then upgraded to Fantasos.. and actually sell hosted eCommerce using it as a platform.

And I'll be upgrading to the new platform as John reassured me personally it will be a flawless transition and upgrade.

Which, is important considering $1000s of dollars worth of subscriptions and other transactions run through my installation every month; and it handles and tracks the $1000s in affiliate commissions I pay out each month...

..and has been for almost 2 years.

There was a learning curve for me, but they have plenty of manuals, support and contextual help; and the forum. Many of the upgrades and added features over time solved some of my earlier issues.. I jumped on it and stayed with it because the vision I had for how I was setting up my businesses benefited greatly from some of it's core features (like remote memberships).

When someone joins one of my memberships for example, they actually get access instantly to 4 different sites on 4 different websites remotely; all the same logins. That was a crucial feature for me. (aMember, my previous solution, couldn't do that.)

But... bottom line, it just works. Month in and month out.

It's one of the most reliable solutions I've ever used; and I'm confident Delavo will be the same. John hasn't given me any reason to think otherwise. I trust him and am actually suprised how many are giving him a hard time; I think if they just listen to what he's saying, they'll realize that they aren't losing anything.

I'd rather be on board with someone that is working hard on developing something.. even if it shifts to a new platform.. than with someone that launches a solution they don't support in a year.

Besides great support that I've enjoyed.. Donna's been a great help in creating manuals for those that use my hosted solution.. (which we need to discuss btw..

)..

But! Overall I'm a happy camper. Like I said, it just works. And I've put many thousands of transactions through it and it supports 100s of members that gain access through it daily.

You can't go wrong imo.. if it fits your business model. I can't say anything about if you have a regular, ecommerce store, but for memberships and digital products it's the best move I ever made!

HTH!

dlwalsh · 05-19-2009, 06:49 PM

Hey Matt

I am creating manuals for Delavo just like I did for Fantasos. And once things settle down, we can talk about getting your customized manual updated.

Donna

nanohits · 05-20-2009, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

What could be a better price then free? Delavo will be free for one week and it will do more than just run a membership site. It will centralize your entire Internet business.

Donna

The question is how much will the plugins cost and from the looks of things the free version has a lot of features missing so by the time people would want a lot of features this could be a very expensive exercise. Lets hope its not expensive. So this free thing could be misleading. Time will tell when its all released how much is in the free version and how many plugins are needed.

I know there will be a lot of supporters for this. I do hope it holds the hype as I am going to try it myself when its available.

briancol · 05-20-2009, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanohits

The question is how much will the plugins cost and from the looks of things the free version has a lot of features missing so by the time people would want a lot of features this could be a very expensive exercise. Lets hope its not expensive. So this free thing could be misleading. Time will tell when its all released how much is in the free version and how many plugins are needed.

I know there will be a lot of supporters for this. I do hope it holds the hype as I am going to try it myself when its available.

Hi,

I don't have any firm pricing on the plugins but knowing John, they will not be expensive.

From the information I have seen so far, you get all the basic stuff with Delavo (tm) for putting a digital product up for sale, accepting payment and securely delivering the product, whether this is single purchase or a recurring membership and is a direct sale or an affiliate sale.

The plugins I am sure will be for special purposes, just as they were with Fantasos.

Make sure you are on the list though otherwise you will have to be a Turbo Membership Member to get it according to what I have seen (being a Turbo Member B.T.W. usually means you get additional discounts of anything John does including perhaps the plugins).

Brian

nanohits · 05-20-2009, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by briancol

Hi,

I don't have any firm pricing on the plugins but knowing John, they will not be expensive.

Brian

Hmm I hope so but going by $3000 for fantasos, not so sure it will be cheap either...

But form reading all the threads, it seems like this Delavo is going to be the one to use. I have signed up and waiting to check it out. I have used EMP, Amember and a few others. Still looking for the holy grail.

dlwalsh · 05-20-2009, 01:15 AM

Nanohits

No The help desk is for TECHNICAL problems only. Usage problems were for the forum.

And we mods don't mind answering questions if someone has a problem. BUT not 27 questions in 2 hours when the answers are in the manuals and in the videos. And not every day being asked multiple questions when the answer is in the manuals.

While we will help when needed, it is not our job to teach someone how to USE Fantasos. And not to spend 2-3 hours EVERY day answering questions from just one person. That gets frustrating REAL fast. Besides which I know of NO mod that spends that amount of time answering questions from a single person.

And I put on 6 hour workshops 2x a day for 4 days straight to teach people Fantsos. I couldn't even talk afterwards! These were free for everyone to attend. Now what other script owner offered that? And if someone chose not to attend, I don't feel they have any right to complain in the future.

And I am offering free workshops for Delavo that will span 12 weeks. Now if someone choses not to attend, I again don't think it is my job to spend 2-3 hours every day answering questions when they can find them in the manuals.

It got to the point that other people on the forum PMed me asking me if this guy was for real or was he just trying to get me aggravated.

After WEEKS of this, and I do mean weeks, we mods told him ro read the manuals, view the videos, or pay for a consultation with someone. And I would do the same thing again.

Donna

nanohits · 05-20-2009, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

Nanohits

No The help desk is for TECHNICAL problems only. Usage problems were for the forum.

And we mods don't mind answering questions if someone has a problem. BUT not 27 questions in 2 hours when the answers are in the manuals and in the videos. And not every day being asked multiple questions when the answer is in the manuals.

While we will help when needed, it is not our job to teach someone how to USE Fantasos. And not to spend 2-3 hours EVERY day answering questions from just one person. That gets frustrating REAL fast. Besides which I know of NO mod that spends that amount of tome answering questions from a single person.
And I put on 6 hour workshops 2x a day for 4 days straight to teach people Fantsos. I couldn't even talk afterwards! These were free for everyone to attend. Now what other script owner offered that? And if someone chose not to attend, I don't feel they have any right to complain in the future.

And I am offering free workshops for Delavo that will span 12 weeks. Now if someone chosed not to attend, I again fon't think it is my job to spend 2-3 hours every day answering questions when they can find them in the manuals.

It got to the point that other people on the forum PMed me asking me if this guy was for real or was he just trying to get me aggravated.

After WEEKS of this, and I do mean weeks, we mods told him ro read the manuals, view the videos, or pay for a consultation with someone. And I would do the same thing again.

Donna

Donna fair enough.. I can see your point. Going by all the questions that he asked I would also be quite tired of it.

dlwalsh · 05-20-2009, 01:19 AM

With Delavo you can set up as many products, memberships and affilaite programs as you want. Just this is enough for probably 75% of Internet marketers.

And just like when you purchase a car, the extras are additional. So it depends on how much power you want. But the core Delavo is plenty powerful for most people.

Donna

briancol · 05-20-2009, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanohits

Hmm I hope so but going by $3000 for fantasos, not so sure it will be cheap either...

But form reading all the threads, it seems like this Delavo is going to be the one to use. I have signed up and waiting to check it out. I have used EMP, Amember and a few others. Still looking for the holy grail.

Hi,

To give a guide on Fantasos plugins - I think the most expensive I paid for were for two that a few of us got together to be specially created for us (WHM hosting plugin and another for check payments) - otherwise I think the most I paid was $97 top end and as low as $10 as I am a turbo member also.

I cannot say if the pricing structure will be the same and as Donna and I have said - the majority of the functions needed are already built in (I would say at least 80% of marketers will not need anything more).

Unless, like me, you consult on the use of the plugins, it is unlikely that you would need them all - perhaps a selected few like oto's or specific plugins for specific business models or other scripts (wordpress, payment processors for other countries etc.)

Brian

Yuzairy · 05-20-2009, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Will Delavo have a plugin or offer the ability to dripfeed content over time based on when the member joins?

From the look at it, the free, naked (plugin-less) Delavo doesn't have the ability to dripfeed content.

But I'm sure there will be a plugin for that.

Worst case, Delavo should have some sort of API just like Fantasos (maybe through plugin?) and you can create a custom app to do anything you want.

I have a private plugin that is hooked to Fantasos API and it drip feed content over time (also check if the sub is active or not). So it's POSSIBLE.

Yuzairy · 05-20-2009, 05:03 AM

I've just read all the posts in this thread and surprised that people are having second thoughts of whether to get Delavo or not.

I may be biased because I've used JVManager and later Fantasos. I made 5 figures last year (maybe small to some) but I owe it twice to to Fantasos and John.

Fantasos was phenomenally great and John (as a person) is one of the nicest and visionary man that I've known.

If you are still on the fence, then drop over to the Delavo side. Sign up and get Delavo for free while you still can. Even if you have no plans on installing it yet.

Then watch the videos, flip through the manuals, go into the forum, attend the webinars and then decide for yourself. With the multiple support channels all given for free, I don't think you'll get lost.

And I read that for Delavo, John is relaxing the requirements if SKILLED user want to write his own manual. The details have not been released yet but I'm already setting up a "Mastermind Club"
(link in my sig - free access)

Soon enough not only you'll be getting the official help, but the knowledgebase of Delavo will grow. All thanks to the "unofficial" but skilled users that will share their wisdom with us all.
(Most of these people have posted in this thread :P)

JVManager/Fantasos/Delavo is not "difficult". But rather than just words, let us show you how simple and how powerful Delavo can be.

Just be prepared in what you'll discover

NetMan · 05-20-2009, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanohits

The question is how much will the plugins cost and from the looks of things the free version has a lot of features missing so by the time people would want a lot of features this could be a very expensive exercise. Lets hope its not expensive. So this free thing could be misleading. Time will tell when its all released how much is in the free version and how many plugins are needed.

I know there will be a lot of supporters for this. I do hope it holds the hype as I am going to try it myself when its available.

Nan,

"Expensive" is VERY relative as a word, and as a fact

I firmly believe the core Delavo(tm) is powerful enough for most users, at least to start making a fair amount of monthly revenue, especially counting that the vast majority is more looker than doer. Plus don't forget that the affiliate program management is included as well in the core version.

The actual plugins for F ranges from 67.00 to 197.00 and John said the new ones will be in the same range. Now if one has Delavo, is a doer, and can make a fair monthly revenue I believe that when the need of a specific plugin to add more power and make MORE REVENUE to one's actual business, is not a question of being "expensive" but more a matter of "investment", don't you think? That is simply the reality.

And like I said previously some will bite their fingers if they don't get it because after May 24th, tough luck, you'll have to be a TMers to get Delavo(tm).

People, stop hesitating and jump on this for your own sake

I do not know the price value of the core version but if I compare with what exists I can easily put a price that would range between 497.00 to 997.00, easily...

Regards,

Andre Foisy

05-16-2009, 01:49 PM	#51
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi Byron Yes it does. That can be used to create your sales page, edit your templates and add content to your thank you page. It is part of Delavo and cannot be used outside of the platform though. Donna Donna
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05-16-2009, 01:58 PM	#55
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi Byron Delavo sets up the membership site. You will need to add content in the protected folder just as if it was a website. You cannot use the WYSIWYG editor for creating content for this folder. Donna
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05-16-2009, 03:36 PM	#61
briancol Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK and Florida Posts: 780 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi Byron, Well, JVManager 1 seems to have gotten a little lost in this growing thread ;-) I wouldn't write it off - for $97 it is still the best value (in my opinion) script for centralizing your core administration for products, memberships, affiliates, payment, delivery and security - yes I am a reseller (and am flattered by what has been said above). Let's not lose sight that Fantasos and now Delavo have been built on the same basic model of JVManager 1 and Fantasos has been a great tool as a result and has evolved into an absolute monster of a script as a result - I for one am looking forward to still using it for years to come in addition to using Delavo - which has been stated many times would be crazy not to pick it up for free. I don't have an awful lot of information on Delavo, except to say that John is generously offering it for free starting tomorrow (may 17th - his birthday) - no purchase required, I will personally be picking up my copy and playing with it and adding it to my arsenal of scripts (I will also happily pay for any plugins produced and any support that I am asked to). Personalities and (fierce) loyalties aside, this family of scripts continue to make me money and a lot of others that I know - yes there are other scripts that can provide functionalities that are similar but I have yet to find one that I trust with my business more. You don't have to beleive me but the ONLY thing I have added to the basic core of the JVM's is a CMS platform (by the same man) and a help desk system (by another company - John doesn't do one - yet) - starting off for free with Delavo or JVM-1 for $97, in my opinion is a smart move that will take your business forward without having to worry about the important stuff like taking orders (direct or affiliate generated), presenting them to Paypal (and others) and delivering the goods. Watch out though ;-) you will become a fan. Brian
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05-16-2009, 03:43 PM	#62
Barry Walls HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 405 Thanks: 18 Thanked 74 Times in 29 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I can tell you for certain...get whatever John Delevera sends out. I have had 2 seperate skype conversations with BrianCol which took over 4 hours in total and he walked me through everything after I'd got stuck on a few points once I'd read the manuals. Im a total non techie (he had to explain some really basic stuff to me...patience of a saint!). I can understand the earlier guy ranting about its complexity and Donna biting back about not reading the manual, but its really simple funnell if you get stuck... 1. Check inline help 2. Check manual 3. Check forum 4. Submit a ticket 5. Call your reseller 6. Phone support You will get frustrated if you dont take the time to learn all the features properly...but you only need to do it once. It takes a little while to "get" it, but once you do, it is all encompassing, flexible, intuitive and simple. The training is massive, organised and in intricate detailed (Thanks Donna!) and the support (multiple lines of support) is first class. I've even called support on the phone and they spent as much time with me as I needed...over an hour. Its the most powerful piece of kit Ive seen online for back end management, affiliate management, product delivery, memberships and centralised data management. If you're going to get something....start off on the right foot...you won't regret it. All the best Barry PS - Im a complete tech muppet...if I can do it, anyone can!
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05-16-2009, 04:05 PM	#64
Steve Crooks Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom. Posts: 1,037 Thanks: 34 Thanked 220 Times in 89 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Will Delavo have a plugin or offer the ability to dripfeed content over time based on when the member joins?
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05-16-2009, 05:38 PM	#69
toddilee Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? It really depends on your business. I have simple membership sites that use a basic script like Memberfire (which is super cheap and works well), but I also have sites that use more advanced and much more expensive member scripts - it really depends on the site you are building and what your requirements are, plus what your budget is.

05-16-2009, 08:14 PM	#73
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi Brian Yes I do have an advantage as I have been able to play with Delavo for awhile now. And I am very impressed with what I have seen. But that shouldn't be a surprise since John created it! Donna
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05-18-2009, 09:15 PM	#78
Ronster1 Photoshoppin' MadMan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 3 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I don't post very often, or voice my opinions, although I've been a member here for years. I purchased JV Mgr1 a few years ago and got upset that it was difficult to use/understand. Then I wanted my money back, and got it without any complaints from John. (By the way, he personally issued my refund with a 'thanks for trying it' message.) The script was still installed on my server though. So I decided that I should at least go through the help files to see if maybe it wasn't as difficult to use as I had first thought. I know, I'm brilliant aren't I. Expecting that I should be able to use an ultra powerful, multi-purpose, e-commerce platform without even cracking open the user manual. Well what do you know, after reading the provided help files I got the script working. I felt like a real idiot and I knew that I had made an error. I publicly apologized to John on his forum and asked him if I could pay him back the money he had refunded so I could keep using the JV Mgr1 script. He was very gracious and said ok. I've been using JV Mgr/Fantasos to power my business ever since without any negative incident or security issues. The moral of my little story is, "We should not fear what we do not understand, we should embrace it, become a student of it." -Quote from John Delavera I'm anxiously awaiting Delavo. -Ronster
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05-19-2009, 12:00 AM	#79
Barry Walls HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 405 Thanks: 18 Thanked 74 Times in 29 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Ronster It says a lot about you that you posted this publically and owned up to an silly, yet honest mistake and made it right and took action. Kudos. I've never spoken to John, but he strikes me as a man of very high integrity and humility and his actions don't surprise me in the least from what I've read about him and after reading his work. All the best Barry
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05-19-2009, 03:36 AM	#80
DonDavis Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Illinois USA. Posts: 601 Thanks: 13 Thanked 33 Times in 14 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I don't know anything about Delavo but amember is a great membership script. I found JVM extremely difficult and never did get it setup. I was able to setup amember myself. There isn't much need for knowledge of php if that is what you are concerned about. I am currently running two membership sites with amember and it is flawless.
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05-19-2009, 10:19 AM	#83
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Well, there are step by step manuals, videos, workshops, a forum, and 1 on 1 help from me via Skype (and ALL free) to get anyone up and running with Delavo ASAP. And since Delavo is much more then a membership script, it only makes sense to get it when it is offered for free. Why waste time on something that canonly run your memberships when Delavo can run your entire Internet business? I have used Fantasos since it was released and I can't say enough good things about it. I run all my products, my 4 membership sites, and ALL of my affiliate programs through just this one platform. And while some people say that it is difficult to learn, I have never thought that. I have found that those who think so have not used what is available: manuals, videos, forum, etc. Nor did they experiment with setting up procedures as outlined in the manuals and videos. Delavo is the next generation and I am really looking forward to using it, especially since John said yesterday that every Fantasos owner with a PAID support subscription will get Delavo equal to Fantasos v1.18 at NO charge. And even if you don't have Fantasos, the core Delavo far surpasses anything else available. And to sweeten the deal, I will PERSONALLY help you understand how Delavo works and at NO charge whatsoever. So why would you pass on getting Delavo? Donna
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05-19-2009, 02:11 PM	#84
dgerik HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle, WA, USA. Posts: 125 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? WOW!!! Talk about a spirited discussion Let me see if I can offer something for consideration as to the statement of "Lifetime Upgrades" to Fantasos... Let's compare John's 3 Business Platforms (JV Manager, Fantasos and the NEW Delavo) to Microsoft's Windows Products. Let's say JV Manager is like Window 95. John SOLD JV Manager and Microsoft SOLD Windows 95. Both were delivered with the promise of "FREE UPGRADES through the life of the product." And customers rejoiced. JV Manager was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought the concept of centralization to an industry that desparately need it. Windows 95 was revolutionary to the industry. It brought everyone to the next level and it set the stage for future growth...It brought Personal computing our of the "dark ages" of DOS and into the modern world. John made NUMEROUS upgrades to JV Manager (For FREE). Microsoft made NUMEROUS upgrades to Windows 95 (For FREE). But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated. This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products. In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products. From John, out came Fantasos... And from Microsoft, came Windows XP. John told all the owners of JV Manager, that while Fantasos is a completely NEW product that pales in comparison to JV Manager...they will get a FREE upgrade to Fantasos. Some owners of JV Manager grumbled as they accused John of reneging on his promise of "FREE Upgrades". And John had to defend himself. Now, what did Microsoft do... Microsoft told all the owners of Windows 95...that Windows 95 is no longer the current product. There will be no more development on Windows 95. It is replaced by Windows XP. And that if you want to remain current you NEED to PURCHASE the UPGRADE to Windows XP...and by the way, it will cost you $100 per upgrade (I think that was the price at the time). Owners of Windows 95 grumbled but they kept hearing how good WinXP is and that is was light years ahead of Win95...that in the end, they all sucked it up and decided to give Microsoft they hard earned money. And John then once again promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Fantasos. And, Microsoft promised FREE lifetime upgrades to owners of Windows XP. John continues to develop and evolve Fantasos for the next few years as does Microsoft with Windows XP. But the industry continued to evolve and become more sophisticated. This forced John (& Microsoft) to contemplate how they would evolve their incredible products. In the end, John (& Microsoft) made the decision that it is once again necessary to create a new platform to take advantage of the technological improvements made during the time of those products. And, both made the decision to halt development of the existing products. John began working on "Fantasos 2"...and told all owners of Fantasos...that he has begun development of "Fantasos 2" and that when it releases it, they will get it FREE of Charge and it will be GREAT. Please trust him. And John went back to developing "Fantasos 2". Microsoft began working on Windows Vista and told all the owners of Windows XP...Windows Vista is GREAT, You will Love it... BUT it will cost you $200-400 per upgrade (depending on the version you want). Users of Windows XP grumbled but in the end many decided to pay their money and upgrade to Windows Vista. And MANY were unhappy and "STUCK" with Windows Vista. BECAUSE Microsoft DOES NOT give refunds. Have a Nice Day... John continues to develop on "Fantasos 2". It begins "morphing" into a greatly changed and improved product that takes advantage of all the latest and greatest technological advances of the past few years. (during the life of Windows Vista). Windows Vista is a PR nightmare. Users of Windows Vista revolt and begin defecting to Apple and Linux. Microsoft must do something to stop the bleeding. So, Microsoft scrambles to make its successor, Window 7. John stops to evaluate what he has created in "Fantasos 2". And although it might "resemble" Fantasos...it is most certainly an entirely new platform. It is obvious that "this creation" is definitely no longer "Fantasos 2". John must make a decision to make. And he announces that he is stopping development of "Fantasos 2" and that in fact, he will be releasing an incredible new business platform codename "D". More details will be forthcoming... But don't worry...John will make it right. John now continues development in earnest on "D" and Microsoft continues to scramble with Windows 7 development. Finally, John is comfortable with "D" that he is ready to announce its pending arrival. It is officially known as "Delavo". John knows he made a promise to Fantasos Owners they would get "Lifetime free upgrades to Fantasos"...but this is no longer Fantasos. So, even though this is not Fantasos, John decides to honor his promise and will give all Fantasos Owners a FREE upgrade to Delavo. In fact, he says that for exactly one week, he will give EVERYONE a FREE copy of Delavo (that wishes to get one). And Microsoft announces that Windows 7 will be released to the public in the 3rd quarter of 2009...and it will be GREAT... It will be everything Windows Vista should have been...BUT if you want it, be prepared to pay $200-$400 per upgrade)...as this is no longer Windows Vista...BUT you want this because it will fix all the shortcomings of Windows Vista. JV Manager & Fantasos Owners begin to grumble that John is breaking his promise of free lifetime upgrades. They make accusations that Delavo is nothing more than Fantasos 2 renamed so he doesn't have to honor his promises. Windows Vista owners are outraged at having to purchase Windows 7...but they say in desparation "FINE, we will pay you once again... When can we get it as Windows Vista SUCKS". John Delavera says to the world... please come download Delavo for FREE (for this week). It will be better than anything you have every seen. And, JV Manager Owners...while many of you upgraded to Fantasos for FREE...you can also upgrade to Delavo (including any Fantasos plugins you have) at a greatly reduced rate... and Fantasos owners...remember... you will get Delavo (including all your Fantasos plugins) for FREE... But yet for some JV Manager / Fantasos owners this is just not good enough. They want, expect and demand more!!! Hmmm... I wonder how many of thos JV Manager / Fantasos Owners are also Microsoft customers that purchased Windows 95, purchased Windows XP, purchased Windows Vista and are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to purchase Windows 7.* *Come on folks... what more do you want from John...as apparently he is certainly less ethical than Microsoft in trying to dupe everyone into buying Delavo!!!* Oh well... I guess it takes all kinds and it just proves that there are those that will always expect and demand something for FREE...
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05-19-2009, 02:40 PM	#85
Tonytsports Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 42 Thanks: 11 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? How do you get Devalo? Everytime I think I am getting it I have to opt in to another list. After three list opt in exercises I just gave up.
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05-19-2009, 02:46 PM	#86
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Sorry, it is my fault as I have not finished the help files and manuals yet. But I am working all day and night along with 2 others to get them completed ASAP. And it is VERY time consuming to write, take screenshots, edit, etc. As soon as I have finished at least the help files, John will release Delavo(tm). So please, no one blame John. It is because I want all those files to be perfect that Delavo(tm) has not been released yet. Donna
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05-19-2009, 02:59 PM	#88
briancol Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK and Florida Posts: 780 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi dgerik (Dennis), Good comparison, i'll ask John the same question I asked Bill (never got an answer from Bill though) - any unmarried sisters? ;-) Brian
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05-19-2009, 06:26 PM	#89
mlevenhagen Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Milwaukee,WI , USA Posts: 1,330 Thanks: 3 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? For the record... I used JVM1... I then upgraded to Fantasos.. and actually sell hosted eCommerce using it as a platform. And I'll be upgrading to the new platform as John reassured me personally it will be a flawless transition and upgrade. Which, is important considering $1000s of dollars worth of subscriptions and other transactions run through my installation every month; and it handles and tracks the $1000s in affiliate commissions I pay out each month... ..and has been for almost 2 years. There was a learning curve for me, but they have plenty of manuals, support and contextual help; and the forum. Many of the upgrades and added features over time solved some of my earlier issues.. I jumped on it and stayed with it because the vision I had for how I was setting up my businesses benefited greatly from some of it's core features (like remote memberships). When someone joins one of my memberships for example, they actually get access instantly to 4 different sites on 4 different websites remotely; all the same logins. That was a crucial feature for me. (aMember, my previous solution, couldn't do that.) But... bottom line, it just works. Month in and month out. It's one of the most reliable solutions I've ever used; and I'm confident Delavo will be the same. John hasn't given me any reason to think otherwise. I trust him and am actually suprised how many are giving him a hard time; I think if they just listen to what he's saying, they'll realize that they aren't losing anything. I'd rather be on board with someone that is working hard on developing something.. even if it shifts to a new platform.. than with someone that launches a solution they don't support in a year. Besides great support that I've enjoyed.. Donna's been a great help in creating manuals for those that use my hosted solution.. (which we need to discuss btw.. ).. But! Overall I'm a happy camper. Like I said, it just works. And I've put many thousands of transactions through it and it supports 100s of members that gain access through it daily. You can't go wrong imo.. if it fits your business model. I can't say anything about if you have a regular, ecommerce store, but for memberships and digital products it's the best move I ever made! HTH!
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05-19-2009, 06:49 PM	#90
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hey Matt I am creating manuals for Delavo just like I did for Fantasos. And once things settle down, we can talk about getting your customized manual updated. Donna
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05-20-2009, 01:15 AM	#94
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Nanohits No The help desk is for TECHNICAL problems only. Usage problems were for the forum. And we mods don't mind answering questions if someone has a problem. BUT not 27 questions in 2 hours when the answers are in the manuals and in the videos. And not every day being asked multiple questions when the answer is in the manuals. While we will help when needed, it is not our job to teach someone how to USE Fantasos. And not to spend 2-3 hours EVERY day answering questions from just one person. That gets frustrating REAL fast. Besides which I know of NO mod that spends that amount of time answering questions from a single person. And I put on 6 hour workshops 2x a day for 4 days straight to teach people Fantsos. I couldn't even talk afterwards! These were free for everyone to attend. Now what other script owner offered that? And if someone chose not to attend, I don't feel they have any right to complain in the future. And I am offering free workshops for Delavo that will span 12 weeks. Now if someone choses not to attend, I again don't think it is my job to spend 2-3 hours every day answering questions when they can find them in the manuals. It got to the point that other people on the forum PMed me asking me if this guy was for real or was he just trying to get me aggravated. After WEEKS of this, and I do mean weeks, we mods told him ro read the manuals, view the videos, or pay for a consultation with someone. And I would do the same thing again. Donna
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05-20-2009, 01:19 AM	#96
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? With Delavo you can set up as many products, memberships and affilaite programs as you want. Just this is enough for probably 75% of Internet marketers. And just like when you purchase a car, the extras are additional. So it depends on how much power you want. But the core Delavo is plenty powerful for most people. Donna
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05-20-2009, 05:03 AM	#99
Yuzairy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: , , Malaysia. Posts: 375 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I've just read all the posts in this thread and surprised that people are having second thoughts of whether to get Delavo or not. I may be biased because I've used JVManager and later Fantasos. I made 5 figures last year (maybe small to some) but I owe it twice to to Fantasos and John. Fantasos was phenomenally great and John (as a person) is one of the nicest and visionary man that I've known. If you are still on the fence, then drop over to the Delavo side. Sign up and get Delavo for free while you still can. Even if you have no plans on installing it yet. Then watch the videos, flip through the manuals, go into the forum, attend the webinars and then decide for yourself. With the multiple support channels all given for free, I don't think you'll get lost. And I read that for Delavo, John is relaxing the requirements if SKILLED user want to write his own manual. The details have not been released yet but I'm already setting up a "Mastermind Club" (link in my sig - free access) Soon enough not only you'll be getting the official help, but the knowledgebase of Delavo will grow. All thanks to the "unofficial" but skilled users that will share their wisdom with us all. (Most of these people have posted in this thread :P) JVManager/Fantasos/Delavo is not "difficult". But rather than just words, let us show you how simple and how powerful Delavo can be. Just be prepared in what you'll discover
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