JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script?

dlwalsh · 05-28-2009, 06:48 PM

Mick

You snooze you lose.

And what you did get is $50 off the new price of $147/month which is what John said would happen once the TM was available again.

So stop being a cry baby. You are the one that messed up. Besides which you have proven that you shouldn't even be a TMer as you posted privileged info on an open forum.

Donna

dlwalsh · 05-28-2009, 06:50 PM

Sean

Delavo does so much more than BFM. There really is no comparision at all.

Donna

nicalyngroup · 05-28-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

Delavo does so much more than BFM. There really is no comparision at all.

Thank you for the information Donna. So I'm gathering from your response that Delavo will do everything BFM does, but more so - is that correct? Does BFM have any features that Delavo does not?

Sean

dlwalsh · 05-28-2009, 07:38 PM

Nope You can run unlimited memberships, products, affiliates through Delavo.

Donna

Thomas Belknap · 05-28-2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick535

This is my point. 30 days ago, if I became a Turbo Member (which I was considering, this new promotion sealed the deal for me), I would have received the entire Fantasos package just like everyone here who has been a Turbo Member for however long. Why would how long you have been a member make a difference? The sales page seems to offer the same benefits no matter when you sign up.

Now however, because I waited (too long evidently) I will not have the same capabilities in my Delavo account without paying for additional Plugins. Right or Wrong?

The membership interface changed over the last few week and the Hosting account and Turbo Responder is no longer part of the Membership either. I now have to pay for that as well, which I knew going in. I was expecting more from the membership with this new launch. Not less.

Get my point? With a new launch, you would think there would be some added bonuses.

There is no dirty laundry here. Just facts that I am trying to clear up. If I am wrong, please point me in the right direction. If I am right, then I guess I will only be a Turbo Member for a very short time.

I see what you are saying Mick. That sucks you waited too long. You may want to contact the help desk for the membership site to see what is included with your membership. I am sure they may be able to answer your question.

briancol · 05-28-2009, 08:19 PM

Hi Michael,

There are two things that seem to getting confused here.

As a turbo member, you get access to use a full blown Fantasos/Delavo account - nothing has been taken away and nothing has been added - only a script upgrade has happened.

The Free version of Delavo that you now have is an entirely seperate thing - if you want to host a version of Delavo on your own server then that is what you would use - it is a basic version which can be added to with plugins if you want.

You have access to the most powerful version through your membership.

As you saw with the e-mail that should not have been leaked - John has kindly discounted the cost of adding the plugins to bring the free version which you can host on your own server at a special Turbo Members price (I repeat he always looks after his loyal members).

Brian

Amirol · 05-28-2009, 09:38 PM

Hi Michael,

Quote:

...I would have received the entire Fantasos package just like everyone here who has been a Turbo Member for however long. Why would how long you have been a member make a difference? The sales page seems to offer the same benefits no matter when you sign up....

That's the HOSTED version of Delavo. You should login to use-sell.com/2 and choose Master Mode to start using the system.

If you are planning to host the script on your own server, then you need to purchase the additional plugins in order to make Delavo function equal as Fantasos.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick535

This is my point. 30 days ago, if I became a Turbo Member (which I was considering, this new promotion sealed the deal for me), I would have received the entire Fantasos package just like everyone here who has been a Turbo Member for however long. Why would how long you have been a member make a difference? The sales page seems to offer the same benefits no matter when you sign up.

Now however, because I waited (too long evidently) I will not have the same capabilities in my Delavo account without paying for additional Plugins. Right or Wrong?

The membership interface changed over the last few week and the Hosting account and Turbo Responder is no longer part of the Membership either. I now have to pay for that as well, which I knew going in. I was expecting more from the membership with this new launch. Not less.

Get my point? With a new launch, you would think there would be some added bonuses.

There is no dirty laundry here. Just facts that I am trying to clear up. If I am wrong, please point me in the right direction. If I am right, then I guess I will only be a Turbo Member for a very short time.

mick535 · 05-28-2009, 09:42 PM

My membership was cancelled without a word.

For the record, I didn't even notice that the information was supposed to be "secret" and have only been a member for maybe 3 days. I wasn't even given a chance and due to the all so confusing process in which this memberhship is setup, I was ultimatly just looking for answers.

All I got was nastiness and forum flames.

I have been in Internet Marketing for a long time and frankly have never seen anything like it from what is supposed to be a top level Internet Marketing "Guru".

mick535 · 05-28-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amirol

Hi Michael,

That's the HOSTED version of Delavo. You should login to use-sell.com/2 and choose Master Mode to start using the system.

If you are planning to host the script on your own server, then you need to purchase the additional plugins in order to make Delavo function equal as Fantasos.

You see, that would have been nice to know, but I didn't see that information anywhere. Was it in the Blue Book?

dlwalsh · 05-28-2009, 11:47 PM

The email CLEARLY stated that it was for TurboMembers Only.

Instead of coming here and whining, you should have asked for clarification on the TM forum or even from John himself.

Since you broke the confidentiately of an email that was meant for TMers only, you are no longer a TMer. And I was 1 of John's inner circle that voted you out. So don't blame it on John. He asked our opinion and we ALL said "out" as you could never be trusted again.

Donna

nanohits · 05-29-2009, 12:25 AM

Hmm... This seems more like an exclusive club than helping people out. I can see Mikes point and am starting to wonder from all the fanbois/fangals when someone says they had problems downloading or logging in, the usual answer from fanbois are, well I didnt have any problems so i have no idea why you are having the problem. As a matter of fact I had all kinds of problems and after a while got through but I can tell you the whole process is so convulated and confusing and there needs to be an easier way.

Just seems like if someone is negative or brings anything up negative, all the fanbois are very agressive to knock that person off. The case for Mike for example is not go to trial. Its more like shoot first then ask questions. People do make mistakes, give them a chance to correct it or get an explanation from them before terminating them. And from reading this entire thread, Donna seems to be particularly aggressive and harsh and seems less tolerant.

Just remember as in life if someone makes a mistake you dont just terminate them without asking them why they have done it or getting their point of view. As in any contract if a mistake has been done, there is always something called a cure and cause to work things out before termination.

P.S: Hope I am not a marked man for posting my opinion when I try out Delavo

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 12:41 AM

I have no tolerance for people who come to an open forum and complain instead of following the proper funnels. If he had a problem why didn't he ask at the TM instead of posting negatives here, ESPECIALLY since if he had gone through the proper funnels, his problem would have been resolved.

And I do not feel sorry for Mick at all. He came to this forum, posted information that was not to be shared, thereby revealing to the world privileged information. Then cried because he did not get everything he wanted. Sounds like a 2 yo throwing a tantrum.

Things change in life so what you got last week might not be what you get this week. But that is life. I remember when I bought ice cream by the half gallon but now that has been downsized and I get less than 1/2 gallon for the same price. But that's the way life is. The sale letter did not tell him he would get a full blown Fantasos. The sales letter clearly stated that Delavo is what he would get and that Delavo had less features than Fantasos.

So it is his fault for assuming he would get more. That did not give him a reason to come him and complain and to post privileged information. He should have posted his questions on the TM, opened a help desk ticket, or contacted John. What he did was come here to just to post a complaint, not to seek help or an explanation.

I don't call what he did a mistake. I call it pure nastiness on his part whch is what he got in return.

He deserves what he got which is banned from the TM. And 8/8 voted him out.

Donna

nanohits · 05-29-2009, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

I have no tolerance for people who come to an open forum and complain instead of following the proper funnels. If he had a problem why didn't he ask at the TM instead of posting negatives here, ESPECIALLY since if he had gone through the proper funnels, his problem would have been resolved.
Donna

Well you will need to find some tolerance then. Thats what customer service is all about. they are the ones who put bread on your table. If he posts negative here then take it instead of being aggressive and having little patience and politely telling them what they have done is wrong. Thats a more seasoned approach then trying to attack them by calling them fools or dumb etc. You dont have to stoop that low. Some users find forums like these to come and post negatively. So what, that shouldnt itch your bum. I would rather more people see this than in a private forum so people can make informed decisions. Thats the beauty of a forum and how open it is. Openness is the best way!!

So he did something wrong. But everyone needs to have a chance. I pity someone who has been accused of murder who doesnt get a trial but instead gets a death sentence. Granted this is not that extreme but you get my point of what I am trying to say. At the end of the day its Johns product and he can do whatever he wants with it...

P.S: Just remember no product is 100% perfect or bug free. Some users will always have issues with whatever software thats out there. Some may not like certain aspects of the software. You
just need to respect that. Some will love it, some will not like it. We just have to take the good with the bad and sometimes even if we try to defend it, they will always say they dont like it.

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 01:22 AM

I don't need ro find any tolerance especially with people who are not trustworthy. How can you trust somebody that will reveal privileged information? And you think I should find tolerance for somebody like that? I think not.

He ASSUMED something then instead of finding out facts decided to sling mud. So he deserved being hit back. And again 7 others also thought what he did was inexcusable.

He was completely wrong and that is it.

Donna

nanohits · 05-29-2009, 01:32 AM

Hmmm. As an outsider looking in, I didnt notice any mudslinging. Didnt even know he breached anything until I saw your aggressive post..

Anyways I am just saying in this entire thread, you have come across more as a zealot than anything else where you are ready to pounce on any negative feedback.

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 01:55 AM

That is your opinion and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

In my opinion, he came here slinging mud. I slung back.

End of the converstion.

nanohits · 05-29-2009, 02:03 AM

Good motto... Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 02:09 AM

Just like the bible says

nanohits · 05-29-2009, 02:12 AM

Yeah difference is thats the old testament, not the new testament. New Testament teaches more tolerance

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 02:20 AM

To each their own. You live like you like but that doesn't mean everyone else should too. Again your opinion is your opinion, that doesn't make your opiniion right nor does it make it wrong. It is just your opinion.

You think I am wrong. I don't. Again your opinion is not the same as mine. Doesn't make you right, doesn't make you wrong. Doesn't make me right, doesn't make me wrong.

Since you don't know what my religion is, you don't know if I follow the old or the new testament. And which one I do, or even if I do, is up to me.

nanohits · 05-29-2009, 03:26 AM

Fair enough,

Just FYI, I am a possible future customer of Delavo but I will evaluate it and see what Delavo can do before taking the plunge to buy up the plugins etc and will wait to hear from other newbies on what the customer service is like rather than only hearing from fanbois who have either worked for John or have some interests as volunteers for the program which most seem to be from reading this thread. But I am being put off by a lot of hostility shown thus far. Would be nice if more tact was shown and some fresh air instead of steam. Will also be nice to see crticism be taken in good spirit rather than saying its my opinion and I will do what I want, you do what you want. This is an open forum, many are watching whats being typed in this thread.

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 03:38 AM

Hey

I am not angry at him for posting his remarks even though if he had read the sales page he would see that he was not getting the full blown Fantasos. He assumed something and took out his frustrations here. Well he was completely in the wrong there and he should have asked before spouting off.

What I am really angry about is that he revealed privileged info sent to only TMers. The email CLEARLY stated that it was a special deal and for TMers only. But he revealed it in a public forum which has the possibility of affecting John financially. And that is unforgiveable. And that is what I posted to him.

And it is your opinion which is not mine.

Donna

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlwalsh

Michael

You should not be revealing information that was ONLY meant for TMers. You just cut off your nose to spite your face. How do you ever expect John to willingly help you in the future? Or any of us that are loyal followers for that matter? What a dumb thing you did.

And so what if you are not getting what long time TMers have. You should have joined the TM sooner. And in any case, the free version of Delavo will be sufficient for at least 80% of internet marketers.

Donna

stevenh512 · 05-29-2009, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicalyngroup

Thank you for the information Donna. So I'm gathering from your response that Delavo will do everything BFM does, but more so - is that correct? Does BFM have any features that Delavo does not?

Delavo and Butterfly Marketing are night and day (and I say that as someone who has both scripts). Butterfly Marketing is great for running a single site with one install, but without heavy modifications that's all it can do. Delavo is a centralized system, you run all of your sites from one location. It also gives you a centralized location where all of your members/customers can log in to access any products or memberships they have purchased, all in one place, along with links to your help desk and support forums if you have them.

The only feature of BFM that I can think of that Delavo doesn't have "out of the box" is One Time Offers. As far as I know that's available right now as part of the Fantasos upgrade plugin, and if you can't/won't buy the "all in one" solution it should be available soon as an individual plugin. In the mean time, Delavo supports .htaccess based "remote memberships" and I have Ian Del Carmen's MemberFire which supports .htaccess based memberships and one time offers, so I'm thinking maybe I can use the two together to accomplish the same thing as a Butterfly site.

With a little creative programming (or creative use of existing programs) it wouldn't be hard to make Delavo do almost everything Fantasos could do without buying a single plugin. The only plugin I think I'd actually need to duplicate a Fantasos feature would be the Roles plugin if I wanted to offer hosted accounts.

John Delavera · 05-29-2009, 06:12 AM

HTML clipboardHi everybody

I'd like to personally thank Michael for his PM.

The use of the right communication
funnels is the best and easiest way
to reach the solution faster and
without any danger to be misunderstood.

While Michael has been a new TMer,
only for a few days, and the TM is
quite huge for grasping the feeling of
the community and its rules, he did
a mistake, and recognized it, the mistake
had its consequences; we both understood
each other, there is no issue today and
we move on.

Peace.

I'd also like to thank all the TMers
for standing by the TM and me personally
and thus proving once more the integrity
and the solidarity of our turbo community.

We are not against to the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism
- that's how we are improving ourselves anyway.
And of course we are all supporters of freedom
to all levels, starting from the personal level and ending
up to the mental freedom that in turn leads us to our
successes in business. Thus rest assured we do
recognize to all the right to talk free and we also
demand the same right for ourselves too.

However as TMers we use to count our words
and know that each word counts, and that's
how we prefer to allow our actions to speak;
instead of publishing our frustrations, we choose
to work for a solution silently and see the process
as a learning experience.

If our actions when defending what we feel
is right and fair or unfair and bad, seem quite
hyperbolic is because we are are all quite a bit more
sensitive to some specific things that have to
do with ethics, integrity and discipline to their
extreme extent. That's why we may shout some
times - please do not consider it as an example
of a bad soul, but instead try to translate it as an
expression of a heart that has been hurt on a
personal and also on the community's level; that
heart is also entitled to exercise freedom of speech,
sometimes loudly - accordingly to the extent
of the damage and pain.

If you have the smallest doubt about
all the above, you can allow time to be
the fairest judge anyway.

Thanks in advance for your understanding,

John Delavera

mick535 · 05-29-2009, 11:27 AM

I appreciate it John and I appreciate the response to my PM.

One point and I will be done with this thread.

1. During the signup and initial membership stage, the Turbo Membership was being changed. What was on the Main Turbo site changed from what it was one day to something different the next. As a new member, sifting through this was very difficult. My observation was that there should be a set of guidelines and instructions sent to each new member in an email or on the main page with Step by Step instructions on how to get the most out of the membership. I am not talking about the Blue Book, I am talking about all the things the membership entails and how to access it. This all seemed very disjointed to me. The emails I received were not clear at all. This is not a dig, it is an observation as a newcomer. I would recommend improving this portion of the membership for New Members because it is very confusing. It also might just be a matter of timing for me, but that comes down to what I perceived to be a very unorganized launch that didnt go according to plan due to some technical difficulties. I overlooked the "CONFIDENTIAL" portion of the email mainly due to the fact that I was already frustrated with this process.

If you read my Top 3 Membership Software thread in this forum, my main gripe with Fantasos was the fact that it was a Hosted solution. I joined as a TMer strictly to take advantage of Delavo; it not being a hosted solution. I feel that most marketers/ internet business persons would not want to tie themselves to someone else's product for a long term business solution. In this case that being the Turbo Membership and having to pay for that solution forever; hoping that the owner of that solution (John) would never decide to change things or cancel the service. When I heard Delavo would be a self hosted script, I jumped at the chance to get it. I already have a thriving business and I have been looking for a self hosted solution like Fantasos to centralize my business. I wasn't looking at the TM as a long term solution. When I perceived that the Plugins were the hidden marketing strategy (right or wrong) behind continuing to keep people as Turbo Members, I was not so happy about it and I should have kept my cool. I acted on impulse and posted something here that I shouldn't have. I was wrong. No doubt.

I would comment on your associate's comments above, but you already did that in a very professional manner.

Thanks.

Mike

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 11:53 AM

New TMers are sent an email welcoming them to the TM and telling them what help is available. Subject line: Welcome To Turbo Membership

We sent out many, many new welcome emails just last week. And I have personally spoken with several new TMers and helped them find their way. Did you not get that email? Or was it "overlooked"?

I do keep a spreadsheet of to who and when I sent emails which I can check and then let you know exactly when that email was sent to you.

And as John said, being a TMer, especially a long term one, means "we are are all quite a bit more sensitive to some specific things that have to do with ethics, integrity and discipline to their extreme extent."

Donna

mick535 · 05-29-2009, 12:04 PM

Keep up the good work Donna. No one is saying everything is your fault.

I can show you every email I received. I don't think that telling a new member to go to the forum for help is the best way to introduce someone to a new membership. A little better direction is required. That is my point.

If you have to speak to a lot of New TMers that might be an indication that clearer guidance is required.

Please don't take it so personally.

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 12:36 PM

The proper help funnel set up by John is to go to the forum. But also in that email is my Skype name where I can be contacted and my Turbo email address. So there is more help offered then just being sent to the forum.

And I didn't say I spoke to a lot of new TMers. I said several which was 3 out of hundreds and actually those 3 wanted to know what they should do next.

Donna

dlwalsh · 05-29-2009, 01:17 PM

Korvix

I completely agree

Donna

nicalyngroup · 05-29-2009, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevenh512

Delavo and Butterfly Marketing are night and day (and I say that as someone who has both scripts). Butterfly Marketing is great for running a single site with one install, but without heavy modifications that's all it can do. Delavo is a centralized system, you run all of your sites from one location. It also gives you a centralized location where all of your members/customers can log in to access any products or memberships they have purchased, all in one place, along with links to your help desk and support forums if you have them.

The only feature of BFM that I can think of that Delavo doesn't have "out of the box" is One Time Offers. As far as I know that's available right now as part of the Fantasos upgrade plugin, and if you can't/won't buy the "all in one" solution it should be available soon as an individual plugin. In the mean time, Delavo supports .htaccess based "remote memberships" and I have Ian Del Carmen's MemberFire which supports .htaccess based memberships and one time offers, so I'm thinking maybe I can use the two together to accomplish the same thing as a Butterfly site.

With a little creative programming (or creative use of existing programs) it wouldn't be hard to make Delavo do almost everything Fantasos could do without buying a single plugin. The only plugin I think I'd actually need to duplicate a Fantasos feature would be the Roles plugin if I wanted to offer hosted accounts.

Thank you for this detailed explanation Steven. It is extremely helpful.

Sean

TheRichJerksNet · 05-30-2009, 11:21 PM

WOW!! am I sure glad I left out of this thread ...

Why not just get the guns out and start shooting ..

James

INFOSEEKER-2009 · 06-20-2009, 12:25 PM

Keep me informed on the New Release ! ! !

Thanx !

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Delavera

Kirk

I am becoming paranoid with statements like that one, because you
see everything through your own spectrum, ignoring ANY other color
except from yours, which in most of the cases is black.

So please do me a favor and be good.

You forgot to tell people that ALL customers of Fantasos get DELAVO
for free as an UPGRADE - as promised.

You forgot to tell people that ex JVManager users also got Fantasos
for free, an an UPGRADE and as promised.

You forgot to tell people that even JVManager users that paid less
then $50, ALSO have an option to get DELAVO for free along with all
the plugins that make it equal to Fantasos.

In sum: you forgot to describe all the other beautiful colors of the
spectrum apart from the black one, which equals to the color of
the dark and you know that it's quite difficult for someone to find
in the dark where truth stands, especially in a public forum.

You have the liberty to enjoy your personal sphere of freedom and
continue with your logic and way of thinking and be as much black
as you want, for as long you do not penetrate my personal sphere
of freedom by insulting to my colors, that are certainly not black,
unless you hit me.

As for the paranoia you mentioned, yes I did not want anyone to
start publishing "manuals" about Fantasos because just imagine:

WITH the official manuals offered of more than 1000 pages in total
and all the videos, there are people like you that see everything black.

What would then happen if someone that has a talent to produce
terrible "manuals" by describing 1/2 of the functionality, started
delivering those manuals online...

What if many others that have the same talent started creating
manuals only for monetizing on that "help" presented as a "need"
ONLY by those that decided to count on "free" support instead
of following the official paths and thus be happy turbo customers....

Give people (and me) a break please.

John

travelhuni · 06-24-2009, 09:45 PM

i dont want to pay $147/month but would like the membership and digital protection features for downloads. is JVM1 still a viable option? is the program still supported?
anyone see any real downsides to buying it from an authorized reseller ($97 one time)

dlwalsh · 06-24-2009, 10:23 PM

JV Manger is still a great script however the learning curve is steep.

No, it is no longer supported by John and you can not use his help fiunnels for JV Manager questions so your best bet is to purchase it from someone knowledgable and who offers support. BTW Most resellers do NOT!

Donna

briancol · 06-24-2009, 11:18 PM

Hi,

This is one master reseller that does still offer support travelhuni.

In my opnion - yes it is still worth buying - an alternative would be to look at the upcoming Delaverian Marketing promotion - I have been told that the free version of Delavo will be included with it.

Brian

dlwalsh · 06-24-2009, 11:37 PM

Yes, Brian is one of the people that I would suggest that you purchase JV Manager 1 from as many people rave about his knowledge as well as the excellent support he gives.

But if you can get Delavo, I suggest that you do as it is the latest step up in John's excellent business platforms

Donna

billt91 · 06-24-2009, 11:38 PM

Brian,

What is the Delaverian Marketing promotion?

travelhuni · 06-25-2009, 12:35 AM

since i missed the free Delavo giveaway, can anyone tell me if it is coming back, or what is to be launched this week?

dlwalsh · 06-25-2009, 12:41 AM

John is launching the second part of his May 17th product launch. For certain reasons, this part was not released on May 17th.

I do believe that Delavo will be part of the promotion on June 29th but I do not think it will be free without an additional purchase as it was before.

But everything will be revealed on Monday. And I am not 100% positive about what part Delavo will play in this launch.

Donna

briancol · 06-25-2009, 12:46 AM

Hi Guys,

Yes, I have been told that Delavo will be included in the Delaverian Marketing Promotion on the 29th June, 2009.

You can dowload an 88 page e-book for free from the link in my sig and sign up to John's list there too to get the updates of the promo.

In a nutshell, it is John Delavera's marketing course which the e-book there explains.

Brian

pritesh · 06-26-2009, 03:20 PM

i wud recommend delavo..

Daniel Cortes · 06-27-2009, 01:51 AM

This has been a great thread to read.

I think the most important thing here is to KNOW What You Need out a script according the service you want to provide. This is most important because you can get every great feature and plugin in any given script out there but if you are not able to recognize the opportunities those features provide then it useless to have them and the script suddenly becomes "complicated".

With that said, I can tell you that once you understand the Logic behind John's script then you can focus on learning the features. In fact, if you actually grasp that logic then I bet you can learn JVManager, Fantasos or Delavo all the same. DELAVO will give you everything you need to run your online business including creating membership sites, but that's just ONE feature of the script among many.

So, if for some reason you didn't get Delavo before please get it on the 29th. and give it a shot, you won't regreat it. Again, as John always says "the use improves the user" this means learn the logic of how the script works. You can learn the logic by using the script.
You can start using it by becoming a Turboaffiliate for free or even better by becoming a Turbomember and getting your hosted account.

travelhuni · 07-09-2009, 08:40 AM

Ok somebody tell me where i missed it, i was on the list for June 29 "launch" but i didn't see anything other than the ebook. was delavo given away free again?

dlwalsh · 07-09-2009, 12:32 PM

I am not sure how you missed the event as I got several emails from those promoting it.

And no, Delavo was not given away free by itself. Delavo was a bonus with the purchase of John's marketing course.

As I understand it, the only way to get Delavo from now on is as a bonus to one of John's promotions or by becoming a TMer.

Donna

itsurfers · 08-02-2009, 10:10 AM

Hello guys,

I have too many sites but mostly affiliate sites. I don't offer my own products to affiliates. Is Delava a good platform for me? I just want to

1. keep track of my monthly adsense revenue per site.
2. My monthly marketing expenses like Adwords, Yahoo Ad, Ask Ad per site.
3. My monthly expenses per site in terms of banner Ads or other marketing expenses where I pay forum posters etc.
4. This way each month I see report of all 100+ sites on which site is giving what return compare to expenses I incurr on each site.
5. If Delavo able to keep track of my earnings from affiliate links via different payment processors or even from clickbank or paydotcom and earnings from adsense or earnings from any banner Ads put on our site by any of our customer.

So far the impression of Delavo to me is that it's a membership site keeping track of affiliates commissions etc whereas I am not offering affiliate related products but in fact running sites where I have multiple affiliate links.

Can I achieve above with Delavo?

Comments are so much appreciated.

Regards,
Itsurfers

05-28-2009, 06:48 PM	#151
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Mick You snooze you lose. And what you did get is $50 off the new price of $147/month which is what John said would happen once the TM was available again. So stop being a cry baby. You are the one that messed up. Besides which you have proven that you shouldn't even be a TMer as you posted privileged info on an open forum. Donna
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05-28-2009, 06:50 PM	#152
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Sean Delavo does so much more than BFM. There really is no comparision at all. Donna
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05-28-2009, 07:38 PM	#154
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Nope You can run unlimited memberships, products, affiliates through Delavo. Donna
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05-28-2009, 08:19 PM	#156
briancol Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK and Florida Posts: 780 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi Michael, There are two things that seem to getting confused here. As a turbo member, you get access to use a full blown Fantasos/Delavo account - nothing has been taken away and nothing has been added - only a script upgrade has happened. The Free version of Delavo that you now have is an entirely seperate thing - if you want to host a version of Delavo on your own server then that is what you would use - it is a basic version which can be added to with plugins if you want. You have access to the most powerful version through your membership. As you saw with the e-mail that should not have been leaked - John has kindly discounted the cost of adding the plugins to bring the free version which you can host on your own server at a special Turbo Members price (I repeat he always looks after his loyal members). Brian
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05-28-2009, 09:42 PM	#158
mick535 Michael Johnson War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 203 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? My membership was cancelled without a word. For the record, I didn't even notice that the information was supposed to be "secret" and have only been a member for maybe 3 days. I wasn't even given a chance and due to the all so confusing process in which this memberhship is setup, I was ultimatly just looking for answers. All I got was nastiness and forum flames. I have been in Internet Marketing for a long time and frankly have never seen anything like it from what is supposed to be a top level Internet Marketing "Guru".
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05-28-2009, 11:47 PM	#160
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? The email CLEARLY stated that it was for TurboMembers Only. Instead of coming here and whining, you should have asked for clarification on the TM forum or even from John himself. Since you broke the confidentiately of an email that was meant for TMers only, you are no longer a TMer. And I was 1 of John's inner circle that voted you out. So don't blame it on John. He asked our opinion and we ALL said "out" as you could never be trusted again. Donna
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05-29-2009, 12:25 AM	#161
nanohits HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 227 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hmm... This seems more like an exclusive club than helping people out. I can see Mikes point and am starting to wonder from all the fanbois/fangals when someone says they had problems downloading or logging in, the usual answer from fanbois are, well I didnt have any problems so i have no idea why you are having the problem. As a matter of fact I had all kinds of problems and after a while got through but I can tell you the whole process is so convulated and confusing and there needs to be an easier way. Just seems like if someone is negative or brings anything up negative, all the fanbois are very agressive to knock that person off. The case for Mike for example is not go to trial. Its more like shoot first then ask questions. People do make mistakes, give them a chance to correct it or get an explanation from them before terminating them. And from reading this entire thread, Donna seems to be particularly aggressive and harsh and seems less tolerant. Just remember as in life if someone makes a mistake you dont just terminate them without asking them why they have done it or getting their point of view. As in any contract if a mistake has been done, there is always something called a cure and cause to work things out before termination. P.S: Hope I am not a marked man for posting my opinion when I try out Delavo
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05-29-2009, 12:41 AM	#162
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I have no tolerance for people who come to an open forum and complain instead of following the proper funnels. If he had a problem why didn't he ask at the TM instead of posting negatives here, ESPECIALLY since if he had gone through the proper funnels, his problem would have been resolved. And I do not feel sorry for Mick at all. He came to this forum, posted information that was not to be shared, thereby revealing to the world privileged information. Then cried because he did not get everything he wanted. Sounds like a 2 yo throwing a tantrum. Things change in life so what you got last week might not be what you get this week. But that is life. I remember when I bought ice cream by the half gallon but now that has been downsized and I get less than 1/2 gallon for the same price. But that's the way life is. The sale letter did not tell him he would get a full blown Fantasos. The sales letter clearly stated that Delavo is what he would get and that Delavo had less features than Fantasos. So it is his fault for assuming he would get more. That did not give him a reason to come him and complain and to post privileged information. He should have posted his questions on the TM, opened a help desk ticket, or contacted John. What he did was come here to just to post a complaint, not to seek help or an explanation. I don't call what he did a mistake. I call it pure nastiness on his part whch is what he got in return. He deserves what he got which is banned from the TM. And 8/8 voted him out. Donna
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05-29-2009, 01:22 AM	#164
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I don't need ro find any tolerance especially with people who are not trustworthy. How can you trust somebody that will reveal privileged information? And you think I should find tolerance for somebody like that? I think not. He ASSUMED something then instead of finding out facts decided to sling mud. So he deserved being hit back. And again 7 others also thought what he did was inexcusable. He was completely wrong and that is it. Donna
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05-29-2009, 01:32 AM	#165
nanohits HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 227 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hmmm. As an outsider looking in, I didnt notice any mudslinging. Didnt even know he breached anything until I saw your aggressive post.. Anyways I am just saying in this entire thread, you have come across more as a zealot than anything else where you are ready to pounce on any negative feedback.
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05-29-2009, 01:55 AM	#166
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? That is your opinion and everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion, he came here slinging mud. I slung back. End of the converstion.
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05-29-2009, 02:03 AM	#167
nanohits HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 227 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Good motto... Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth
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05-29-2009, 02:09 AM	#168
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Just like the bible says
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05-29-2009, 02:12 AM	#169
nanohits HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 227 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Yeah difference is thats the old testament, not the new testament. New Testament teaches more tolerance
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05-29-2009, 02:20 AM	#170
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? To each their own. You live like you like but that doesn't mean everyone else should too. Again your opinion is your opinion, that doesn't make your opiniion right nor does it make it wrong. It is just your opinion. You think I am wrong. I don't. Again your opinion is not the same as mine. Doesn't make you right, doesn't make you wrong. Doesn't make me right, doesn't make me wrong. Since you don't know what my religion is, you don't know if I follow the old or the new testament. And which one I do, or even if I do, is up to me.
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05-29-2009, 03:26 AM	#171
nanohits HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 227 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Fair enough, Just FYI, I am a possible future customer of Delavo but I will evaluate it and see what Delavo can do before taking the plunge to buy up the plugins etc and will wait to hear from other newbies on what the customer service is like rather than only hearing from fanbois who have either worked for John or have some interests as volunteers for the program which most seem to be from reading this thread. But I am being put off by a lot of hostility shown thus far. Would be nice if more tact was shown and some fresh air instead of steam. Will also be nice to see crticism be taken in good spirit rather than saying its my opinion and I will do what I want, you do what you want. This is an open forum, many are watching whats being typed in this thread.
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05-29-2009, 06:12 AM	#174
John Delavera Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: , , . Posts: 2,616 Thanks: 17 Thanked 72 Times in 16 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? HTML clipboardHi everybody I'd like to personally thank Michael for his PM. The use of the right communication funnels is the best and easiest way to reach the solution faster and without any danger to be misunderstood. While Michael has been a new TMer, only for a few days, and the TM is quite huge for grasping the feeling of the community and its rules, he did a mistake, and recognized it, the mistake had its consequences; we both understood each other, there is no issue today and we move on. Peace. I'd also like to thank all the TMers for standing by the TM and me personally and thus proving once more the integrity and the solidarity of our turbo community. We are not against to the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism - that's how we are improving ourselves anyway. And of course we are all supporters of freedom to all levels, starting from the personal level and ending up to the mental freedom that in turn leads us to our successes in business. Thus rest assured we do recognize to all the right to talk free and we also demand the same right for ourselves too. However as TMers we use to count our words and know that each word counts, and that's how we prefer to allow our actions to speak; instead of publishing our frustrations, we choose to work for a solution silently and see the process as a learning experience. If our actions when defending what we feel is right and fair or unfair and bad, seem quite hyperbolic is because we are are all quite a bit more sensitive to some specific things that have to do with ethics, integrity and discipline to their extreme extent. That's why we may shout some times - please do not consider it as an example of a bad soul, but instead try to translate it as an expression of a heart that has been hurt on a personal and also on the community's level; that heart is also entitled to exercise freedom of speech, sometimes loudly - accordingly to the extent of the damage and pain. If you have the smallest doubt about all the above, you can allow time to be the fairest judge anyway. Thanks in advance for your understanding, John Delavera
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05-29-2009, 11:27 AM	#175
mick535 Michael Johnson War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 203 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I appreciate it John and I appreciate the response to my PM. One point and I will be done with this thread. 1. During the signup and initial membership stage, the Turbo Membership was being changed. What was on the Main Turbo site changed from what it was one day to something different the next. As a new member, sifting through this was very difficult. My observation was that there should be a set of guidelines and instructions sent to each new member in an email or on the main page with Step by Step instructions on how to get the most out of the membership. I am not talking about the Blue Book, I am talking about all the things the membership entails and how to access it. This all seemed very disjointed to me. The emails I received were not clear at all. This is not a dig, it is an observation as a newcomer. I would recommend improving this portion of the membership for New Members because it is very confusing. It also might just be a matter of timing for me, but that comes down to what I perceived to be a very unorganized launch that didnt go according to plan due to some technical difficulties. I overlooked the "CONFIDENTIAL" portion of the email mainly due to the fact that I was already frustrated with this process. If you read my Top 3 Membership Software thread in this forum, my main gripe with Fantasos was the fact that it was a Hosted solution. I joined as a TMer strictly to take advantage of Delavo; it not being a hosted solution. I feel that most marketers/ internet business persons would not want to tie themselves to someone else's product for a long term business solution. In this case that being the Turbo Membership and having to pay for that solution forever; hoping that the owner of that solution (John) would never decide to change things or cancel the service. When I heard Delavo would be a self hosted script, I jumped at the chance to get it. I already have a thriving business and I have been looking for a self hosted solution like Fantasos to centralize my business. I wasn't looking at the TM as a long term solution. When I perceived that the Plugins were the hidden marketing strategy (right or wrong) behind continuing to keep people as Turbo Members, I was not so happy about it and I should have kept my cool. I acted on impulse and posted something here that I shouldn't have. I was wrong. No doubt. I would comment on your associate's comments above, but you already did that in a very professional manner. Thanks. Mike
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05-29-2009, 11:53 AM	#176
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? New TMers are sent an email welcoming them to the TM and telling them what help is available. Subject line: Welcome To Turbo Membership We sent out many, many new welcome emails just last week. And I have personally spoken with several new TMers and helped them find their way. Did you not get that email? Or was it "overlooked"? I do keep a spreadsheet of to who and when I sent emails which I can check and then let you know exactly when that email was sent to you. And as John said, being a TMer, especially a long term one, means "we are are all quite a bit more sensitive to some specific things that have to do with ethics, integrity and discipline to their extreme extent." Donna
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05-29-2009, 12:04 PM	#177
mick535 Michael Johnson War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 203 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Keep up the good work Donna. No one is saying everything is your fault. I can show you every email I received. I don't think that telling a new member to go to the forum for help is the best way to introduce someone to a new membership. A little better direction is required. That is my point. If you have to speak to a lot of New TMers that might be an indication that clearer guidance is required. Please don't take it so personally.
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05-29-2009, 12:36 PM	#178
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? The proper help funnel set up by John is to go to the forum. But also in that email is my Skype name where I can be contacted and my Turbo email address. So there is more help offered then just being sent to the forum. And I didn't say I spoke to a lot of new TMers. I said several which was 3 out of hundreds and actually those 3 wanted to know what they should do next. Donna
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05-29-2009, 01:17 PM	#179
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Korvix I completely agree Donna
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05-30-2009, 11:21 PM	#181
TheRichJerksNet PhpMembersScript.com War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 4,909 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 506 Thanked 832 Times in 539 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? WOW!! am I sure glad I left out of this thread ... Why not just get the guns out and start shooting .. James
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06-24-2009, 09:45 PM	#183
travelhuni Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? i dont want to pay $147/month but would like the membership and digital protection features for downloads. is JVM1 still a viable option? is the program still supported? anyone see any real downsides to buying it from an authorized reseller ($97 one time)

06-24-2009, 10:23 PM	#184
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? JV Manger is still a great script however the learning curve is steep. No, it is no longer supported by John and you can not use his help fiunnels for JV Manager questions so your best bet is to purchase it from someone knowledgable and who offers support. BTW Most resellers do NOT! Donna
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06-24-2009, 11:18 PM	#185
briancol Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK and Florida Posts: 780 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi, This is one master reseller that does still offer support travelhuni. In my opnion - yes it is still worth buying - an alternative would be to look at the upcoming Delaverian Marketing promotion - I have been told that the free version of Delavo will be included with it. Brian
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06-24-2009, 11:37 PM	#186
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Yes, Brian is one of the people that I would suggest that you purchase JV Manager 1 from as many people rave about his knowledge as well as the excellent support he gives. But if you can get Delavo, I suggest that you do as it is the latest step up in John's excellent business platforms Donna
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06-24-2009, 11:38 PM	#187
billt91 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Brian, What is the Delaverian Marketing promotion?
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06-25-2009, 12:35 AM	#188
travelhuni Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? since i missed the free Delavo giveaway, can anyone tell me if it is coming back, or what is to be launched this week?

06-25-2009, 12:41 AM	#189
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? John is launching the second part of his May 17th product launch. For certain reasons, this part was not released on May 17th. I do believe that Delavo will be part of the promotion on June 29th but I do not think it will be free without an additional purchase as it was before. But everything will be revealed on Monday. And I am not 100% positive about what part Delavo will play in this launch. Donna
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06-25-2009, 12:46 AM	#190
briancol Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK and Florida Posts: 780 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Hi Guys, Yes, I have been told that Delavo will be included in the Delaverian Marketing Promotion on the 29th June, 2009. You can dowload an 88 page e-book for free from the link in my sig and sign up to John's list there too to get the updates of the promo. In a nutshell, it is John Delavera's marketing course which the e-book there explains. Brian
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06-26-2009, 03:20 PM	#191
pritesh Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? i wud recommend delavo..

06-27-2009, 01:51 AM	#192
Daniel Cortes Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Here, Right Now! Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? This has been a great thread to read. I think the most important thing here is to KNOW What You Need out a script according the service you want to provide. This is most important because you can get every great feature and plugin in any given script out there but if you are not able to recognize the opportunities those features provide then it useless to have them and the script suddenly becomes "complicated". With that said, I can tell you that once you understand the Logic behind John's script then you can focus on learning the features. In fact, if you actually grasp that logic then I bet you can learn JVManager, Fantasos or Delavo all the same. DELAVO will give you everything you need to run your online business including creating membership sites, but that's just ONE feature of the script among many. So, if for some reason you didn't get Delavo before please get it on the 29th. and give it a shot, you won't regreat it. Again, as John always says "the use improves the user" this means learn the logic of how the script works. You can learn the logic by using the script. You can start using it by becoming a Turboaffiliate for free or even better by becoming a Turbomember and getting your hosted account.
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07-09-2009, 08:40 AM	#193
travelhuni Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? Ok somebody tell me where i missed it, i was on the list for June 29 "launch" but i didn't see anything other than the ebook. was delavo given away free again?

07-09-2009, 12:32 PM	#194
dlwalsh HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, Nv, USA. Posts: 275 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: JV Manager Is That The Best Membership Script? I am not sure how you missed the event as I got several emails from those promoting it. And no, Delavo was not given away free by itself. Delavo was a bonus with the purchase of John's marketing course. As I understand it, the only way to get Delavo from now on is as a bonus to one of John's promotions or by becoming a TMer. Donna
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