Eben Pagan

maxitman · 05-24-2009, 12:32 AM

Eben is currently offering a home study course for 1997 usd, albeit with all sorts of material, but yet, some other producers of similar goodies, do it for 100 to 500 usd. By SIMPLY putting a better sugar coating on it, is his stuff really worth the extra money?? I am not complaining or in any way trying to minimize his work, I just want to know.

Hortensia · 05-24-2009, 01:22 PM

If you have the time, you can get a lot of information for free.

People like Eben Pagan are just organizing all this information so that it is easier and quicker to understand. He is a great teacher and it really goes deeper then the sugar coating.

Also let's not forget that he has put his knowledge to practise in his own enterprises. So yeah.. I think he is for real.

About the pricing of products. He can teach you that for sure.

maxitman · 05-24-2009, 01:27 PM

Thanks Hortensia...........I think I will go for it.............and yes, I sort of sensed that what he's done is a bit more than just sugar coating, and frankly, collecting all that stuff would be a pain...............

judarican · 05-24-2009, 01:27 PM

I wouldn't do it. it's pretty much stuff that's already available just repackaged and obviously marketed very well

maxitman · 05-24-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by judarican

I wouldn't do it. it's pretty much stuff that's already available just repackaged and obviously marketed very well

I am sure hoping to hear more opinions on this, I am sort of for it, but frankly this is a costly thing to do, for something that APPEARS to be available through other sources as well...........

Adbeat · 05-24-2009, 02:07 PM

Eben has multiple information products businesses which bring in ~25M/yr combined. He sells exclusively through the internet. He is offering you his knowledge in these topics for $2000.

I'm surprised that the value of this product is even being discussed.

Anonymous Affiliate · 05-24-2009, 02:38 PM

I dont know, but I am not very fond on Eban's stuff myself: too philosophical and detached from every-day's marketer's operations to squeeze any use off it.

Tyrus Antas · 05-24-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

I dont know, but I am not very fond on Eban's stuff myself: too philosophical and detached from every-day's marketer's operations to squeeze any use off it.

That's why he is successful. Instead of building his business based on "schemes", he builds them based on strong business fundamentals.

Tyrus

maxitman · 05-24-2009, 03:04 PM

ppclabs, and Anonymous, you are both right, that is precisely the issue!

nobodyspecial · 05-24-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hortensia

Also let's not forget that he has put his knowledge to practise in his own enterprises.

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Originally Posted by ppclabs

Eben has multiple information products businesses which bring in ~25M/yr combined.

And may I ask how you each know your statements are factual?

Have you worked for him? Have you seen his profit/loss statements or business ledger?

Adbeat · 05-24-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

And may I ask how you each know your statements are factual?

Have you worked for him? Have you seen his profit/loss statements or business ledger?

How about you do some research yourself. His main businesses are doubleyourdating, altitude, and gurumastermind. I'm not going to spend time typing out my own assessment, but I will tell you that I saw with my own eyes a very large room filled with paying members of gurumastermind live. Those people were paying between 6-12K/yr.

nanohits · 05-24-2009, 09:17 PM

He has an interesting name... Ill check out his stuff later..

maxitman · 05-24-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ppclabs

How about you do some research yourself. His main businesses are doubleyourdating, altitude, and gurumastermind. I'm not going to spend time typing out my own assessment, but I will tell you that I saw with my own eyes a very large room filled with paying members of gurumastermind live. Those people were paying between 6-12K/yr.

Well, I think he is for real, and I do not doubt his abilities to fill a house with eager listeners, the point is, he is selling his program for 1997 usd, that from my perspective seems to be too much, but that is where I get lost. I do want the kind of info he is offering but like the rest of us, I want to be pretty sure before I pay 2K for something like that.

Adbeat · 05-24-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by maxitman

Well, I think he is for real, and I do not doubt his abilities to fill a house with eager listeners, the point is, he is selling his program for 1997 usd, that from my perspective seems to be too much, but that is where I get lost. I do want the kind of info he is offering but like the rest of us, I want to be pretty sure before I pay 2K for something like that.

Like Steve said, it's only worth it if you are going to commit yourself to the material and take consistent action. The guru program is also very narrowly focused on selling info products/training online. What are your plans for your business, and at what stage are you now? I can tell you if it's a good fit for you based on that.

Also, let me ask you... do you think any info product is worth 2K? Take product launch formula or mass control for instance.

maxitman · 05-24-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Porcaro

The guy is for real, however you need to take massive action on what you learn or pick up from any guru.

Sometimes this stuff is also just motivational getting the right message at the right time to get you off the couch and act.

These gurus are only as good as you are going to apply the knowledge that is the bottom line.

Oh, another thing, ok, he does pull in the folks, and without trying to sound too "smart", that of course does not mean it is all legit, most of those people are probably just looking for the next "guru" to hold their hand, to get motivated for the most part, I want to learn, I want the nuts and bolts. there are others, such as Terry Dean and his folks, offering something similar for 100 bucks. that is what gets me, I am not willing to pay for his extravagant looks, just the info. But yes, I would appreciate if I can get it in a nice package.

maxitman · 05-25-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ppclabs

Like Steve said, it's only worth it if you are going to commit yourself to the material and take consistent action. The guru program is also very narrowly focused on selling info products/training online. What are your plans for your business, and at what stage are you now? I can tell you if it's a good fit for you based on that.

Also, let me ask you... do you think any info product is worth 2K? Take product launch formula or mass control for instance.

ppclabs, good question. And a tough one to answer. It is all relative, for sure. All things being equal, I suspect not. But that is not my point per se. I want the info, but is Eben the only "guru" that I can buy it from. So if you say that really Eben is the only way to go for a package deal, then the two grand is ok. But you know, there are plenty of others, Bob Bly, folks at ETR, John Carlton, etc., and they are offering similar things, costing up to 1000. As far as my situation, it is a big yes on info products, but also, I need some extra goodies to tune up my affiliate ambitions as well. I am looking at number of possiblities, and am comfortable with most aspects of the internet, but what I need is to glue it all together to make a business out of it. So in that respect I am thinking that Eben could be a match, but maybe a tad too much into high end of the bell curve. I might be able to work with something more basic. Anyway, that's why I am confused.

nobodyspecial · 05-25-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ppclabs

How about you do some research yourself. His main businesses are doubleyourdating, altitude, and gurumastermind. I'm not going to spend time typing out my own assessment, but I will tell you that I saw with my own eyes a very large room filled with paying members of gurumastermind live. Those people were paying between 6-12K/yr.

I appreciate you taking time to reply, however you never confirmed your stated "fact". It's safe to assess you don't really know if what you initially said is factual or not, simply relying upon what you heard in his marketing.

Andy Immotna · 05-25-2009, 08:23 AM

I would have purchased the course if he'd allowed me pay through Paypal! I asked the staff twice but they refused saying they don't have Paypal account.

I previously bought a number of expensive stuffs only if they allow me to pay through Paypal, most I emailed and they setup a Paypal option for me. But with this product they refused someone willing to offer them on the table $1997 cash! So I thought Eben must be really rich!

Tyrus Antas · 05-25-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by maxitman

ppclabs, good question. And a tough one to answer. It is all relative, for sure. All things being equal, I suspect not. But that is not my point per se. I want the info, but is Eben the only "guru" that I can buy it from. So if you say that really Eben is the only way to go for a package deal, then the two grand is ok. But you know, there are plenty of others, Bob Bly, folks at ETR, John Carlton, etc., and they are offering similar things, costing up to 1000. As far as my situation, it is a big yes on info products, but also, I need some extra goodies to tune up my affiliate ambitions as well. I am looking at number of possiblities, and am comfortable with most aspects of the internet, but what I need is to glue it all together to make a business out of it. So in that respect I am thinking that Eben could be a match, but maybe a tad too much into high end of the bell curve. I might be able to work with something more basic. Anyway, that's why I am confused.

He has the most complete information marketing product out there. This can be both a strength and a weakness depending of who you ask. If you are really committed to this path and ready to work hard, you CANNOT fail buying anything Eben Pagan puts out there.

Tyrus

Adbeat · 05-25-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

I appreciate you taking time to reply, however you never confirmed your stated "fact". It's safe to assess you don't really know if what you initially said is factual or not, simply relying upon what you heard in his marketing.

You are right, I have never seen his bank statement, you win

Do you have any idea how much a simple ebook can make without any back end sales? The top clickbank publishers are doing 5+ million/yr with a single ebook and no backend (no, I have not seen their bank account, yes - I do know some of them personally). Eben is in 2 of the largest markets online - dating and "make money". His dating ebook pays out a 200% commission on the sale - why do you think that is possible?

If you go to the guru sales page and submit your email you will have access to some videos. Go watch the "behind the scenes of a 20 million dollar business" video. He shows screen shots of one of his shopping carts.

Adbeat · 05-25-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by maxitman

ppclabs, good question. And a tough one to answer. It is all relative, for sure. All things being equal, I suspect not. But that is not my point per se. I want the info, but is Eben the only "guru" that I can buy it from. So if you say that really Eben is the only way to go for a package deal, then the two grand is ok. But you know, there are plenty of others, Bob Bly, folks at ETR, John Carlton, etc., and they are offering similar things, costing up to 1000. As far as my situation, it is a big yes on info products, but also, I need some extra goodies to tune up my affiliate ambitions as well. I am looking at number of possiblities, and am comfortable with most aspects of the internet, but what I need is to glue it all together to make a business out of it. So in that respect I am thinking that Eben could be a match, but maybe a tad too much into high end of the bell curve. I might be able to work with something more basic. Anyway, that's why I am confused.

John Carlton teaches copywriting - I think his last course was $1,000. If you want to learn copywriting only, buy his stuff.

I'm sure the ETR stuff is decent - I definitely recommend Ready, Fire, Aim - it's a great book. I'm not aware of anything that they offer that is in any way comparable to the guru course. I could be wrong, but I don't think they have all that much related to the info product business.

Bob Bly - again, a copywriter. This is just one component of an info product business.

You wrote "As far as my situation, it is a big yes on info products"... what does this mean?

If you don't have a product or service idea, and you just want an all around great education on an internet based info product business then the guru material is excellent for that.

If you are expecting to start making money using the material, then you are going to need a fairly decent idea going in of what your product/service is going to be. You need to have something to offer the world in exchange for the money - Eben is not going to provide you with that for $2000.

You wrote "I need some extra goodies to tune up my affiliate ambitions as well"... what does this mean? You're not going to learn much from Eben in this area. Go to the sources specific to affiliate marketing. This is one of the easiest ways to get started making money online - and if you don't have a product or service to offer, I would focus on this.

nobodyspecial · 05-25-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ppclabs

You are right, I have never seen his bank statement, you win

Do you have any idea how much a simple ebook can make without any back end sales? The top clickbank publishers are doing 5+ million/yr with a single ebook and no backend (no, I have not seen their bank account, yes - I do know some of them personally). Eben is in 2 of the largest markets online - dating and "make money". His dating ebook pays out a 200% commission on the sale - why do you think that is possible?

If you go to the guru sales page and submit your email you will have access to some videos. Go watch the "behind the scenes of a 20 million dollar business" video. He shows screen shots of one of his shopping carts.

It's not about winning it's about accurate communication.

I remember when he launched Altitude and (if I remember correctly) he stated his dating business made a total of $20M since it's inception, not yearly.

The point here is when people start just quoting facts and figures without regard to accuracy, then their post is no better than a tabloid.

Adbeat · 05-25-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

It's not about winning it's about accurate communication.

I remember when he launched Altitude and (if I remember correctly) he stated his dating business made a total of $20M since it's inception, not yearly.

The point here is when people start just quoting facts and figures without regard to accuracy, then their post is no better than a tabloid.

When did he launch Altitude, 2007? I have seen his growth curve - meaning I have seen him at a whiteboard plotting his business revenue from 2001-2008. I don't think there is anything contradictory about what you claim he said before.

Here is an interesting fact about me - I made more money in 2008 than in all the years combined in my life up until that point. I am 34 yrs old. I've been working in some capacity since 15. Hard to believe right? Well... I have seen my bank statements and it's true.

Desmond Ong · 05-25-2009, 01:34 PM

Eben Pagan is a real deal. He has proven himself as one of the best info marketers of all time.

If anyone is doubting him, clearly he or she needs to do some research for himself or herself.

P.S. Just google 'David DeAngelo'.

mowens17 · 05-25-2009, 01:49 PM

I've heard Eben Pagan doing an online interview etc and i have to say he has some very good marketing knowledge, one example he spoke of was about using free information to promote your launches. He sited the music industry and how they use singles to promote a more expensive product i.e an album then of course concerts, he made an interesting point about why do people go to concert's? -when they can here a better quality version at home, for the experience, which is how you should market to potential customers. The point being was to give away some of your best info and the custommer will be much more responsive because of the quality, how many of us have bought these free giveaway reports and said "this is a piece of crap".

I've found his info to be excellent but for $2000 this is an investment for a serious marketer who earns good money and wants to g o to the next "level", would't recommend to anyone who is not serious.

Steve Peters Benn · 05-25-2009, 02:25 PM

Eben is a God at self improvement. Some of his techniques and routines / rituals are invaluable and worth the price of the course alone. I really cannot stress just how much I think of Eben's stuff. The value in his free stuff is also immense, in that regard I would rank him with or maybe even above Frank (Steve Freebie Value Index).

maxitman · 05-25-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

And you paid $2000 to learn that? I though that was marketing 101. Why do you not buy some marketing books from Amazon for $50 or buy some HBS case studies. You will get a much better wholistic business education than that of trying to pull money out of people's wallets with "hypnosis" or "mind control" or "butterfly marketing" or whatever.

Going to the sources of where your marketing heroes are getting their information will catapult your own education very rapidly.

The guy is a marketing genius and you may not realize it, but he is just marketing to you. Offer value and you will make money. No gimmick or $2000 course is going to change that.

It surprises me what people will pay for in the IM niche.

It is comical that people think that just because a guru teacher makes a lot of money online, then if they learn from her, then perhaps they too will also make money. If Bill Gates taught you how he made his Billions in a $2000 CD course, do you think you are going to be a Billionaire any time soon?

RM

RM, the more I listen(read) into this, the more confused I am getting. My situation is this, as I have pointed out a couple of times, I do not have a ready info product per se. I have an ebook "in my head" and I would say, could be completed fairly quickly and I can say that because I know the subject in and out. I have two websites and two more blogs that are basically ready to publish. Meanwhile I am setting up my social network in place to support all that. But I still lack products, I would love to do affiliate type of business, perhaps the best deal for me right now, but due to the overwhelming number of offers all over the place, it is tough to know which way to go. So, I think that I am sort of ok with different components that make up the on line business, but I surely lack the glue to put it together. So I am thinking, maybe Eben has the answers, and frankly I think he might, it just that I am also thinking, I could get the same service, quicker, more efficiently and cheaper to boot, from somebody else. So there. Any help, highly appreciated.

TelegramSam · 05-25-2009, 03:30 PM

Dear Robert Mugabe,

You obviously don't need to learn any marketing to make money. You just steal it from your own people and the others in the country who had built its wealth...

Now, to the other Robert Mugabe, why are you being so negative?

What pearls of marketing wisdom can you share with us?

Have you ever spent money on marketing training and been disappointed? I have.

Will that stop me from spending more at some point in the future? No.

You have been a little cynical here, without being clear on what your grievances are.

Some people need to hear it from a guru's mouth, some don't.

How much money do you make each year by the way?

Could you see how you could double, triple or even ten times your income in the next 12 months? With the right information properly applied, this is possible.

Think about it.

Eben · 05-25-2009, 06:03 PM

The package is worth it. Just buy it, you will not be disappointed.

maxitman · 05-25-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eben

The package is worth it. Just buy it, you will not be disappointed.

listen "Eben", I am serious about this!!

judarican · 05-25-2009, 10:58 PM

that's the smartest thing i've read today

TheAge · 05-26-2009, 03:35 AM

What are you hoping to get from this course?

From what I've seen, while he offers a lot of very good specific internet marketing information, as a whole he focuses more on setting up a proper business, or making your business as super effective as it can be.

So if you're just starting out, it probably wouldn't be the best to invest in the Guru Home Study course (I'm not sure exactly what the Guru course focuses on, I'm basing my opinion on from the small amount I've seen of 'Altitude').

Though he recently released a product aimed specifically at newbies, called 'Ignition' that details how to start making some good money in the internet world, though it's rather expensive itself – $997 I think. I haven't seen it myself, but hey, as you've heard – Eben releases some pretty damn good stuff.

He has a fair few free videos available over the net. Why don't you check those out to make a better decision?

- Adrian

TelegramSam · 05-26-2009, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

I think you are the one who needs to think about it and realise that you are being marketed to so as to have as much money as possible sucked out of your wallet without you even noticing it.

RM

Hey Mr Mugabe,

Put a sock in it.

You have no idea about how much money I have spent or not spent and you make many argumentative comments which on the face of it make some sense, but when you actually look a little deeper into what you say, you soon see that you will never have a large business with your attitude.

Without investing either your time or money, or both into your business and IM education you will NEVER achieve results as fast as you could.

You assume too much about me and about others.

Yes there are some "guru's" that are not worth the money. Perhaps a majority. However as I said earlier, (which you disagreed with), it is possible to achieve RAPID profitable expansion by applying the right information and knowledge. Something that you will probably never achieve it seems.

Oh and by the way, if the Zimbabwe situation had improved by what Mugabe had done I would say "Ok, fair enough".

Sadly it hasn't and the skills, organisation and increased production of food and other goods that the 1% helped bring about for that country, has now pretty much been destroyed, just like in dozens of other countries on the continent. Are the people better off now? Can they feed their families? Is the economy ok? Are there jobs? Is the currency worth anything?

NO.

So stop being such a critical, generalistic pain in the ass. You may achieve more in life if you change your attitude for the better.

Oh and go and see one of your surgeons and get that huge chip removed from your shoulder.

Tyrus Antas · 05-26-2009, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

Nobody with any sense needs to hear it from the gurus mouth in order to make money. Look at the Forbes 400, do you think any of them read any of Eben's material?

You'd be surprised to learn the amount of money these companies spend on training material and seminars for information they can find on the so called "amazon books". Does that make them foolish? I'd like to have access to your garbage bin.

Tyrus

Anonymous Affiliate · 05-26-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Without investing either your time or money, or both into your business and IM education you will NEVER achieve results as fast as you could.

This is incorrect. "Education" will actually slow you down, because every second spent in "education" is a second not spent into action/experimenting. I have experienced this very fact every time in my IM career: those months I try to "learn" I make less money whereas those months I simply "do" I make more.

PS: I agree 100% with Mugabe.

TelegramSam · 05-26-2009, 08:19 AM

Hey guys,

I'm not defending any guru and especially not Eben Pagan.

However, to blankly suggest that "education" will slow you down, or that you can get the same stuff for "free" is not a correct evaluation and is rather silly.

Common sense has to be used and if by IMPLEMENTING knowledge that you paid for makes you more money, then what is wrong with that?

Do you guys have a car?

Why the hell did you buy one of those?

Don't be so lazy, you can get to your destination without learning how to drive and without spending any money. USE YOUR LEGS!!!

TelegramSam · 05-26-2009, 09:15 AM

Sorry to disappoint you Mugabe but I'm not.

Anyway, why should any government need to compensate farmers?

All you need is fertile land, seeds, water, hard work and organisation, and no corruption, to grow enough food for one's country.

Unfortunately, (and I mean unfortunately), Zimbabwe has failed the above paragraph. So which of the points in the paragraph has it failed on?

Regarding your other points, you obviously have an opinion about IM education and about me.

I'm wasting my keyboard energy replying any more about that as you have obviously made your mind up.

As you seem to know so much about me, IM, the world and everything else, perhaps you should be THE Guru of All Gurus's. Maybe you should charge $1,997 for all your knowledge. But then again perhaps you will be the new messiah and give it all away for free.

I only have a small amount of keyboard energy left for you and I just wanted to say that you.................. ........... ........ ...... .... .. .

henrychai · 05-26-2009, 09:34 AM

Eben is the real deal.. no doubt his stuff is valuble... you can judge it by viewing some of his free video sharing... most of them worth more than you think.. i support eben/davide deangelo :P

Nato Guajardo · 05-26-2009, 09:46 AM

Eben is definitely the real deal. His courses are top notch. I have purchased every thing he has put out except for the "ignition course".

I have modeled my business around what he teaches. I am now learning how to package my products in a way that I can charge the prices that he is charging. I will let you guys know how it turns out.

I just don't see how you can fail if you follow what Eben teaches and take action. Oh yeah he also has a course to take action and be more productive.

socksiong · 05-26-2009, 09:48 AM

Found his twitter
twitter(dot)com/ebenpagan

Heres his blog
ebenpagan.wordpress(dot)com/

imho, I think we are paying for the collation of data he has researched on, and the presentation of the collated information. Collation is a good skill. I, for one, suck at collation,haha.
So what are we paying for? breakdown,

- collation of data
- nice presentation
- interviews with big players
- proven strategies and tactics
- mind training techniques for the IM pple

i just realised hes probably 1 of the pioneers that discovered this mind training niche within our huge IM community, which is saturated with info products and intelligent people. Its probably 1 of his core interests, and also theres a hungry crowd, because we all want to be better in what we do, and earn more money at the end of the day.

Loren Woirhaye · 05-26-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

Going to the sources of where your marketing heroes are getting their information will catapult your own education very rapidly.

This is very true - when you have the same handful of books sitting on
your desk you can see the strings operating the puppets. There is
a lot of money to be made by repackaging already-in-print information
into audio/video courses. Maybe because people don't like to read -
I don't know why.

All I can say is that when you've read the same books the vocabulary
of the internet teachers is not so impressive.

TelegramSam · 05-26-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

Because the British government were the colonial masters of Zimababwe. they had taken the land from the black people who existed there before them and gave it to European farmers who emigrated there. I decided that I want to give the land back to my people. The British government agreed to compensate the white European farmers for losing their land as were responsible for illegally giving it to them in the first place.

That is why.

By the way, Britain did similar things all over the world including to Native Americans in the Treaty of Paris. The Native Americans fighting for their in land in the 1800s is very similar to what I am doing today in Zimbabwe.

You have a very childish view of the world here. This probably also explains why you think that $2000 Rapid Profit Marketing products are good investments.

If you exclude imports, if the population growth of a country exceeds the growth of food production, people will starve.
To combat this, farmers use modern machinery and technology for increasing food production. To gain modern machinery and technology from Europe and other more developed countries that make these technologies, a farmer would need a loan from bank. The banks though are broke because of the extortionate interest charges they are repaying to Western countries. Therefore the bank can not lend to the farmer and the farmer can not buy machinery to produce enough food to meet the demands of the growing population. The result is that people will starve. Different versions of the above have happened in countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia for decades. People do not starve just because they are lazy and corrupt. Understanding that will give you much more empathy to to the starving of the world.

As you can see from above, the economics of food production is not just about land, seeds and water.

Zimbabwe has existed since 1980. As a nation, it is merely a tween. Give it a chance. Imagine if people abandoned America as a failure in 1810 because the native americans were attacking settlers..

RM

Miraculously, after eating a home grown meal, farmed by hand, I now have just enough energy to type one word and it is:

Yawn....

Nato Guajardo · 05-26-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

If you can not handle the answers, then don't ask the questions.

If you think that you can feed a continent with a population growth rate of 3% by farming by hand, than you are even a bigger fantasist than I imagined.

Life is much easier dreaming about making money than trying to look at reality.

RM

What does this have to do with Eben Pagan? You are way off topic with this.

Eric Johnson · 05-26-2009, 12:06 PM

He's the most "for real" information marketer out there in my opinion. The guy is mega impressive.

I'd buy his stuff for 2 grand in a second if I had that much laying around. But alas my lowly marketer butt doesn't.

TelegramSam · 05-26-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

If you can not handle the answers, then don't ask the questions.

If you think that you can feed a continent with a population growth rate of 3% by farming by hand, than you are even a bigger fantasist than I imagined.

Life is much easier dreaming about making money than trying to look at reality.

RM

Maybe you could create a course and sell it to your people, showing them the solution. Mr Know-It-All.

Or are you going to wait for another handout before anyone does anything?

Oh, by the way you didn't answer the questions. You chose to just spout out racist crap, disguised as intelectual argument.

Moron.

Global365 · 05-26-2009, 01:43 PM

RM,

Out of curiosity...why would you take an Avatar of Robert Mugabe?
Do you have a fondness for psychopathic, genocidal war mongers?

Was Hitlers avatar taken?

It is an extremely odd choice for a forum promoting free enterprise and commerce and I seriously doubt this will endear you to anyone other then skin heads and serial killers.

willye · 05-26-2009, 04:34 PM

Interesting
OP asks a question on a particular Guru's course and it turn into a personal flame war. Did any one who ran their mouth actually review the course or did you have an ax to grind.
If you want to flame go back to Digital Point

Ryan6 · 05-26-2009, 04:39 PM

What a waste of money that'd be. I hear he's v-good, but that is damn expensive.

Celebrity

TelegramSam · 05-26-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Mugabe

The fact that you have resorted to namecalling does not come as a surprise to me at all.

RM

Sorry to disappoint you. If you look at the definition of moron you will understand why you are one.

Why choose the identity of Robert Mugabe and his picture?

If that isn't ignorance and bigotry of the highest order then I don't know what it.

You moron. Get a life and stop being such a victim.

Perhaps you are more balanced than I realised - you have a chip on both shoulders...

Oh, and yes you may be a millionaire in your country already (1 US Dollar = 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars). But with your attitude you will NEVER make any real money unless you change it.

Bye bye.

maxitman · 05-27-2009, 09:33 AM

Listen guys and gals, I made a decision, and I did not order Eben's stuff. I am not saying his goodies are not working, but I am of the opinion that it was just too much. Had he tried with with something like 600 on up to 1000, I might have done it. Now, something
VERY IMPORTANT!
Before I wrote this thread, I had pretty much made up my mind to not buy Eben's program, but eager as I am, wanting to learn, I was still in Eben's "hook", so I knew, I need to take time out and perhaps listen to opinions from other people. So, I decided to check out the Warrior Forum. And this time, I got my money's worth! A lot more than I ever anticipated or hoped for. All of you, you made great points, but especially RMugabe, I think you really need to seriously consider running Zimbabwe, I like your no nonsense direct style. And also, you were given a good run for your money by some of the opposing views, such as Telegram Sam, but you came back each and every time. And while it perhaps was getting close, but there was no real mud slinging around, (or maybe just a tad)just solid opinions, well supported. This is what the world needs at large. I am not sure if you guys see that, but it is this kind of honest, frank discussion from all sides that really opens up your mind and eyes. And mind you, I am not talking down on Eben on anyone who supports him, not by a long shot, but it was not for me, not now. So, looks like I am going to be a member here for a long time. I really appreciated your input, Thanks!!!

05-24-2009, 12:32 AM	#1
maxitman Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 51 Thanks: 31 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Eben Pagan - is he for real? Eben is currently offering a home study course for 1997 usd, albeit with all sorts of material, but yet, some other producers of similar goodies, do it for 100 to 500 usd. By SIMPLY putting a better sugar coating on it, is his stuff really worth the extra money?? I am not complaining or in any way trying to minimize his work, I just want to know.

05-24-2009, 01:22 PM	#2
Hortensia JanPaul Wittebol War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 190 Thanks: 18 Thanked 31 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? If you have the time, you can get a lot of information for free. People like Eben Pagan are just organizing all this information so that it is easier and quicker to understand. He is a great teacher and it really goes deeper then the sugar coating. Also let's not forget that he has put his knowledge to practise in his own enterprises. So yeah.. I think he is for real. About the pricing of products. He can teach you that for sure.

05-24-2009, 01:27 PM	#3
maxitman Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 51 Thanks: 31 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Thanks Hortensia...........I think I will go for it.............and yes, I sort of sensed that what he's done is a bit more than just sugar coating, and frankly, collecting all that stuff would be a pain...............

05-24-2009, 01:27 PM	#4
judarican Black Magic Marketing Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? I wouldn't do it. it's pretty much stuff that's already available just repackaged and obviously marketed very well

05-24-2009, 02:07 PM	#6
Adbeat HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Eben has multiple information products businesses which bring in ~25M/yr combined. He sells exclusively through the internet. He is offering you his knowledge in these topics for $2000. I'm surprised that the value of this product is even being discussed.

05-24-2009, 02:38 PM	#7
Anonymous Affiliate Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,965 Thanks: 303 Thanked 368 Times in 263 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? I dont know, but I am not very fond on Eban's stuff myself: too philosophical and detached from every-day's marketer's operations to squeeze any use off it.

05-24-2009, 03:04 PM	#9
maxitman Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 51 Thanks: 31 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? ppclabs, and Anonymous, you are both right, that is precisely the issue!

05-24-2009, 09:17 PM	#12
nanohits HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? He has an interesting name... Ill check out his stuff later..

05-25-2009, 08:23 AM	#18
Andy Immotna Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? I would have purchased the course if he'd allowed me pay through Paypal! I asked the staff twice but they refused saying they don't have Paypal account. I previously bought a number of expensive stuffs only if they allow me to pay through Paypal, most I emailed and they setup a Paypal option for me. But with this product they refused someone willing to offer them on the table $1997 cash! So I thought Eben must be really rich!

05-25-2009, 01:34 PM	#24
Desmond Ong Caffeinated Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nebraska Posts: 825 Thanks: 124 Thanked 75 Times in 49 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Eben Pagan is a real deal. He has proven himself as one of the best info marketers of all time. If anyone is doubting him, clearly he or she needs to do some research for himself or herself. P.S. Just google 'David DeAngelo'.

05-25-2009, 01:49 PM	#25
mowens17 Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 60 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? I've heard Eben Pagan doing an online interview etc and i have to say he has some very good marketing knowledge, one example he spoke of was about using free information to promote your launches. He sited the music industry and how they use singles to promote a more expensive product i.e an album then of course concerts, he made an interesting point about why do people go to concert's? -when they can here a better quality version at home, for the experience, which is how you should market to potential customers. The point being was to give away some of your best info and the custommer will be much more responsive because of the quality, how many of us have bought these free giveaway reports and said "this is a piece of crap". I've found his info to be excellent but for $2000 this is an investment for a serious marketer who earns good money and wants to g o to the next "level", would't recommend to anyone who is not serious.

05-25-2009, 02:25 PM	#26
Steve Peters Benn Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leeds, United Kingdom. Posts: 3,529 Thanks: 640 Thanked 366 Times in 188 Posts Social Networking	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Eben is a God at self improvement. Some of his techniques and routines / rituals are invaluable and worth the price of the course alone. I really cannot stress just how much I think of Eben's stuff. The value in his free stuff is also immense, in that regard I would rank him with or maybe even above Frank (Steve Freebie Value Index).

05-25-2009, 03:30 PM	#28
TelegramSam Battle Hardened Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA/UK Posts: 690 Thanks: 44 Thanked 166 Times in 89 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Dear Robert Mugabe, You obviously don't need to learn any marketing to make money. You just steal it from your own people and the others in the country who had built its wealth... Now, to the other Robert Mugabe, why are you being so negative? What pearls of marketing wisdom can you share with us? Have you ever spent money on marketing training and been disappointed? I have. Will that stop me from spending more at some point in the future? No. You have been a little cynical here, without being clear on what your grievances are. Some people need to hear it from a guru's mouth, some don't. How much money do you make each year by the way? Could you see how you could double, triple or even ten times your income in the next 12 months? With the right information properly applied, this is possible. Think about it.

05-25-2009, 06:03 PM	#29
Eben Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NorCal Posts: 75 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? The package is worth it. Just buy it, you will not be disappointed.

05-25-2009, 10:58 PM	#31
judarican Black Magic Marketing Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? that's the smartest thing i've read today

05-26-2009, 03:35 AM	#32
TheAge Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 58 Thanks: 8 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? What are you hoping to get from this course? From what I've seen, while he offers a lot of very good specific internet marketing information, as a whole he focuses more on setting up a proper business, or making your business as super effective as it can be. So if you're just starting out, it probably wouldn't be the best to invest in the Guru Home Study course (I'm not sure exactly what the Guru course focuses on, I'm basing my opinion on from the small amount I've seen of 'Altitude'). Though he recently released a product aimed specifically at newbies, called 'Ignition' that details how to start making some good money in the internet world, though it's rather expensive itself – $997 I think. I haven't seen it myself, but hey, as you've heard – Eben releases some pretty damn good stuff. He has a fair few free videos available over the net. Why don't you check those out to make a better decision? - Adrian

05-26-2009, 08:19 AM	#36
TelegramSam Battle Hardened Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA/UK Posts: 690 Thanks: 44 Thanked 166 Times in 89 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Hey guys, I'm not defending any guru and especially not Eben Pagan. However, to blankly suggest that "education" will slow you down, or that you can get the same stuff for "free" is not a correct evaluation and is rather silly. Common sense has to be used and if by IMPLEMENTING knowledge that you paid for makes you more money, then what is wrong with that? Do you guys have a car? Why the hell did you buy one of those? Don't be so lazy, you can get to your destination without learning how to drive and without spending any money. USE YOUR LEGS!!!

05-26-2009, 09:15 AM	#37
TelegramSam Battle Hardened Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA/UK Posts: 690 Thanks: 44 Thanked 166 Times in 89 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Sorry to disappoint you Mugabe but I'm not. Anyway, why should any government need to compensate farmers? All you need is fertile land, seeds, water, hard work and organisation, and no corruption, to grow enough food for one's country. Unfortunately, (and I mean unfortunately), Zimbabwe has failed the above paragraph. So which of the points in the paragraph has it failed on? Regarding your other points, you obviously have an opinion about IM education and about me. I'm wasting my keyboard energy replying any more about that as you have obviously made your mind up. As you seem to know so much about me, IM, the world and everything else, perhaps you should be THE Guru of All Gurus's. Maybe you should charge $1,997 for all your knowledge. But then again perhaps you will be the new messiah and give it all away for free. I only have a small amount of keyboard energy left for you and I just wanted to say that you.................. ........... ........ ...... .... .. .

05-26-2009, 09:34 AM	#38
henrychai Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Eben is the real deal.. no doubt his stuff is valuble... you can judge it by viewing some of his free video sharing... most of them worth more than you think.. i support eben/davide deangelo :P

05-26-2009, 09:46 AM	#39
Nato Guajardo HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: TX Posts: 353 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts Contact Info	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Eben is definitely the real deal. His courses are top notch. I have purchased every thing he has put out except for the "ignition course". I have modeled my business around what he teaches. I am now learning how to package my products in a way that I can charge the prices that he is charging. I will let you guys know how it turns out. I just don't see how you can fail if you follow what Eben teaches and take action. Oh yeah he also has a course to take action and be more productive.

05-26-2009, 09:48 AM	#40
socksiong PPC Enthusiast War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 97 Thanks: 20 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Found his twitter twitter(dot)com/ebenpagan Heres his blog ebenpagan.wordpress(dot)com/ imho, I think we are paying for the collation of data he has researched on, and the presentation of the collated information. Collation is a good skill. I, for one, suck at collation,haha. So what are we paying for? breakdown, - collation of data - nice presentation - interviews with big players - proven strategies and tactics - mind training techniques for the IM pple i just realised hes probably 1 of the pioneers that discovered this mind training niche within our huge IM community, which is saturated with info products and intelligent people. Its probably 1 of his core interests, and also theres a hungry crowd, because we all want to be better in what we do, and earn more money at the end of the day.

05-26-2009, 12:06 PM	#44
Eric Johnson HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In Your Head Posts: 370 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? He's the most "for real" information marketer out there in my opinion. The guy is mega impressive. I'd buy his stuff for 2 grand in a second if I had that much laying around. But alas my lowly marketer butt doesn't.

05-26-2009, 01:43 PM	#46
Global365 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CyberNexus Posts: 961 Thanks: 2 Thanked 137 Times in 113 Posts Contact Info	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? RM, Out of curiosity...why would you take an Avatar of Robert Mugabe? Do you have a fondness for psychopathic, genocidal war mongers? Was Hitlers avatar taken? It is an extremely odd choice for a forum promoting free enterprise and commerce and I seriously doubt this will endear you to anyone other then skin heads and serial killers.

05-26-2009, 04:34 PM	#47
willye Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 33 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Interesting OP asks a question on a particular Guru's course and it turn into a personal flame war. Did any one who ran their mouth actually review the course or did you have an ax to grind. If you want to flame go back to Digital Point

05-26-2009, 04:39 PM	#48
Ryan6 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 243 Thanks: 26 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? What a waste of money that'd be. I hear he's v-good, but that is damn expensive. Celebrity

05-27-2009, 09:33 AM	#50
maxitman Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 51 Thanks: 31 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Eben Pagan - is he for real? Listen guys and gals, I made a decision, and I did not order Eben's stuff. I am not saying his goodies are not working, but I am of the opinion that it was just too much. Had he tried with with something like 600 on up to 1000, I might have done it. Now, something VERY IMPORTANT! Before I wrote this thread, I had pretty much made up my mind to not buy Eben's program, but eager as I am, wanting to learn, I was still in Eben's "hook", so I knew, I need to take time out and perhaps listen to opinions from other people. So, I decided to check out the Warrior Forum. And this time, I got my money's worth! A lot more than I ever anticipated or hoped for. All of you, you made great points, but especially RMugabe, I think you really need to seriously consider running Zimbabwe, I like your no nonsense direct style. And also, you were given a good run for your money by some of the opposing views, such as Telegram Sam, but you came back each and every time. And while it perhaps was getting close, but there was no real mud slinging around, (or maybe just a tad)just solid opinions, well supported. This is what the world needs at large. I am not sure if you guys see that, but it is this kind of honest, frank discussion from all sides that really opens up your mind and eyes. And mind you, I am not talking down on Eben on anyone who supports him, not by a long shot, but it was not for me, not now. So, looks like I am going to be a member here for a long time. I really appreciated your input, Thanks!!!
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