fordannycool

Yeah can you tell us more about?
Did you try it?
Did you use it?
How it´s compared with Thesis or others?

Cheers,

Danny

Denis de Bernardy

I'm an inch from releasing a release candidate, and my next step is docs and videos, so your best bet here is to follow the semiologic.com blog for two or three weeks to actually see what's in there.

The license, is the following: you can create any number of sites using it. Provided they're for your own use. Your API key entitles you, and you only, to updates and support. It does not entitle the same to your customers, to whoever you sell your site to, etc.

In other words, if you resell a site created using the software, it's in the new owner's best interest to get updates and support as well, and he should get a license -- typically through your affiliate link.

D.

PS: Given the surge of security related releases in past years, "it's in their best interest to get it" should really read as "they'd be nuts to not get it". Hacked sites are hard to fix; and I mercilessly charge my hourly rate when I deal with that sort of thing -- on top of the license.

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http://www.getsemiologic.com

Lance K

Denis,

Can SP be used on client sites? How much more does it cost to be able to do that? Thanks.

Lance K

Denis is back in charge now.

Lance K

Steve, what hosting service & plan do you use for your Semio sites? That's one of the problems I had in the past. And it wasn't a $4.95/month plan either. I'm just not techie enough to know exactly what to look for when planning to use Semio. Thanks.


Excellent point.

Denis de Bernardy

Resellers are expected to get a full license for their customers. Two points to keep in mind here.

The first is, reselling Sem Pro is not anything comparable to, say, reselling a premium theme. The latter can be sold by designers at a heavily discounted price. It's no big deal, since once the site is delivered the end-user never shows up asking for help to the designer or the theme dev. Users of a platform, by contrast, show up in the forum for help (and rightly so).

As a result of this, clients of clients require nearly as much attention as clients; and provided that one cares about building a long term relationship, a $50 software client requires nearly as much attention as a $500 software client. (For large firms such as Oracle, add three zeros to the figures.)

I've a few arrangements with some resellers who do some volume, whereby they get a private link that slashes their affiliate commission out of the sales price.

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fordannycool

Hi,

I wanted to find the starter of this thread as far as many things as been written but not so much as been really compared in a full review... and few things written are not even correct!!!

Personally I have been checking Thesis as well as Studio Press and Flex and some others but yet I still use and prefer Semiologic because it STANDS ALONE against all the others!

Why?! ... only because it give me the flexibility than the others do not have!

Let me explain:

- First of all it is like comparing an apple with an orange as far as they compare a premium theme like Thesis, Flex, Studio Press etc... with a full SEO Package which includes a FREE theme Sem-reloaded!!!

- The Pro package actually includes WP 2.8.4 BUGS FREE WITH also about 65 plug-ins AND Sem-reloaded theme which is customizable through "Custom CSS" AND provides about 28 skins to be chosen from;

- Many compare this theme way back years ago but did not even try to test the actual FREE Sem-reloaded version (without the plug-ins) which has advanced to a more mature concept:

http://www.semiologic.com/software/sem-reloaded

...for free download and trial;

- Denis has advanced this Package with the theme to such a way that not only it is SEO but also friendly to use and offer some kind of customization;

- All the other themes have great potential and are looking very good but they are only themes without, most of them, any plug-ins, and rely mostly on FREE plug-ins though WP extend:

http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins

...but they are not premium plug-ins... those are not free and can be found with a premium price let say between $10 to $100 usually each!!!
Denis de Bernardy provides depending the version about 65 plug-ins for $295 (including the FREE Sem-reloaded theme) so to say about $4.54 per plug-ins which is relatively inexpensive when we know how great they are!!!

- But another aspect that many forget, it is that even though the Semiologic Pro package includes this Sem-reloaded theme and I stress again that it is FREE to try it (there is no limitations in it but without the 65 plug-ins which are only in the Pro Package), ALSO you can use any other premium themes of your choice within this package as Denis said many use Thesis within his Pro package,

...when you buy the Pro package you get the FREE Sem-reloaded theme which includes a Custom CSS and 28 skins besides of 65 plug-ins BUT BECAUSE all is within a package you can still use the power of WordPress 2.8.4 which allows you to install any WP based theme in it, including Thesis, Flex, Studio Press and other themes, you then can have the benefit to have a great SEO Pro package and still use your beloved theme WITHOUT Sem-reloaded if you do not like its features for example!!!

Is this not great!?

Many evolution are planned and will be implemented very soon but as I said nothing can be compared to Semiologic Pro package because you cannot compare a premium theme with a package which includes a FREE theme... if a comparison is to be made then it would be to compare Sem-reloaded with a premium theme as Thesis and others and then there could be an apple to apple comparison.

In any case you can still make a trial with Sem-reloaded Free version and if you like it order it through my blogsite Semiologic Pro banner link, and in return I will help every one to set this up plus many FREE bonuses will be provided...

Semiologic Pro, as some customers said, is a platform and this pro package including SEO tools are not to be found anywhere else in the market!!!

Hope this will clarify this thread...

Cheers,

Danny

James Schramko

I use many developer themes and my favorite is Thesis.

Semiologic is awesome and very powerful but the design is lacking.

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fordannycool

Hi Lance,

Personally I use HostGator 10C Class type and I never ever got into trouble...

I heard some may have had few issues with other type but my blog and other sites are on a C class hosting and I have no problem with Semiologic at all, what you need is PHP 5 and MySql Data base, cPanel, etc... Check Denis requirement for his Semiologic Pro...

Besides he is making a 20% discount for his Hosting plan, if you are interested see this forum thread:

Semiologic Forum - Summer Hosting Special: 20% Off All New Accounts On Hub For Semiologic Pro Users

They are at "Hub.org" hosting company because it meet all the requirement but many do not have any issue with others... like me for example, so...

Before I was with a special hosting company called Kiosk but it was expensive in comparison for what I could get somewhere else, the only pro I found was the chat video hotline...

There are many other companies but HostGator hotline convince me to stay with them...

You can give a trial through my link as far as there is a 1 cent cost for 30 days trial and you could cancel anytime, so why not try it... besides if you stay with I will give you some great bonuses!?

If you wish a C Class hosting like mine, please PM me or send me a private message.

Cheers,

Danny

fordannycool

Hi James,

You may be right depending of your perception of how it should look like but as for myself I think a theme should be simple especially for IM, so Sem-reloaded is fine for me, besides now it even has a "Custom CSS" to modify slightly the skin which is handy and cannot be found on many other themes...

All this without saying that there are 28 skins which are included in this theme, and as a reminder for those who want to test it, Sem-reloaded is still a FREE theme but has the power of many premium themes.

Besides, also you can still use your Thesis theme within the Semiologic Pro package... just install your theme on the pro version, activate Thesis and all is done, you will have your Thesis theme with the power of this awesome and STAND ALONE Semiologic package!!!

Cheers,

Danny

James Schramko

My IM blog (which is often ranked on page one of Google for the term Internet Marketer) is a semiologic blog with a new Wootheme + custom skin so I hear ya!

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TPFLegionaire

Hi Dennis .

Thanks for clarifying these things for me, you and Dany have done an outstanding job in putting your point across, I have just signed up via Dany's link and I look forward to let my webmaster loose with the package.


Basically the plan will be to deploy Semio logic across a few selected sites and integrate it with WPRemix Premium Wordpress CMS Theme theme and develop them into conduit sales friendly sites.


I trust that we will find answers to whatever questions and issues we may have via the forum and support.

now...I don't suppose you have a plugin that will dump Chris Rempel's affiliate intel data into the Semio platform and automatically generate all the optimised pages? Ho! and if you do does it have a big red button marked" press here to make money"?


Just kidding...We'll get to work with what we got.

Many thx.

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fordannycool

Hi James,

Thanks for your testimony... as I see you got the power of Semiologic with your favorite Wootheme customized

Great, and I hope some will hear as well!!!

Cheers,

Danny

ZhenyaNoble

......I'm still trying to get an understanding of the whole thing.

Blogs are free, hence wordpress.

So thesis, flex and others are "themes" ...which are??? like skins? Or moreso editable skins, so you can customize how your site looks (which is needed if you don't like the templates provided by wordpress for free). Is that right?

But semio is more of a platform? So customization PLUS. With that plus being what??? The plugins? If so, what do the plugins do, and how do they differ from thesis plugins?

Is there a site at all for semio skins so or the control panel? Sample sites?

$life

I dont think so...

john_kennedy

Search google for:

and you'll get quite a few sites made with the latest version of Semiologic. For a link to the website scroll back up to post 106 and check the links in the siggie. That poster is the creator for the product.

I don't use it, can't afford it right now, but would if I could!

John

fordannycool

Hi,

To make it very short and easy to understand....
Each theme is like a man naked body... then the skins could be the different clothing you put on... so to say the body stay the same but the clothing make it looking great and as many skins available as many look it will be!!!

Sometime theme and skin is a whole particularly when the theme has nothing else than a SINGLE SKIN... but then comes the skinners who are let say some people who make different skins to the theme which did not have so many or just one... but they sell each skin at about $20 to $100 so to say if you buy a theme with only a single skin and would like a special skin then comes the skinner who make you what you wish and charge you a cost whatever he wants or he already made some available and you choose the one you like if any and buy it!!!

Buttom line is, if for example you like Thesis and you think too few skins are available you go to:
Amazing Thesis Theme Skins for Wordpress
or to:
ThesisThemes.com - Thesis Skins
or to:
Top 10 Thesis Theme customizations

But all are premium skins and most be bought!!!

So to make it easy to understand you will pay once the Thesis Developpers price (so you can customize the theme) + the skin whatever the price is... so cost twice...

Now for Semiologic pro package:
This is a platform which means that you have a FREE Sem-Reloaded theme WITH depending the version about 28 SKINS all these FREE + 65 premium plug-ins not to be found anywhere else + WordPress 2.8.4 BUGS FREE included... we never update or upgrade directly from WP because for example the version 2.8.x got so many bugs that your whole site wile be screwed and you may even loose the whole thing... Denis de Bernardy the owner and coder fix the bugs in order to have a version working perfectly besides he is one of the main helper to get WP bugs fixed... so to say we have WP bugs free way before you got it fixed from WP

Regarding the plug-ins and what they do the best because they are about 65 is to check this link and go one by one and read what it is all about... Denis de Bernardy may go to this forum and answer you more precisely... but he said in few weeks he will make photos, videos, teaching tools available from his site... many things are new because of the new WP 2.8.4 structure...

Please check this link and go one by one in each plug-in:

WordPress Plugins

I also have attached few screen-shots of the skins available in THE OLD VERSION the new have slightly new things and some new plug-ins made especially for the new WP 2.8.4:

Cheers,

Danny

PS: I will upload more in the next post...

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fordannycool

Hi,

Herewith are the others screen-shots I could not upload because of the restriction to 5 files only

You can also modify the font setting, the size and now there is a "Custom CSS" which enable you customize few things within the skin, very great and handy!!!

Hope I answer your concern... besides Denis de Bernardy may step in and replies with a deeper insight... and give you more explanation...

Cheers,

Danny

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fordannycool

Yes it is possible!!!

Cheers,

Danny

fordannycool

Hi John,

Thanks for your help... but you are right it is really a stand alone package but expensive!!!

Cheers,

Danny

fordannycool

Hi,

The screenshots for the lay out...
Hope that will help...

This is an OLDER VERSION so just to show... new one have slightly some changes!!!

Cheers,

Danny

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LarryVan

I am a contributer and Moderator on the Semiologic forum.

If you like the Flexx theme and Semiologic, you might be interested in the Semiologic skin that I created that visually replicates the Flexx Professional Theme. I say visually replicate because it retains the complete Semiologic structure and all Semiologic plugings can be used.

All content is placed within the widget area just as Semiologic. An additional plugin for a drop-down menu was added because Semiologic does not have one.

A screenshot is attached. The site is not yet live, so a link is not available.

Larrry

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fordannycool

Hi Larry,

looks good...

I will think about...
What is the cost!?

Thanks,

Danny

fypnlp

Fordanny cool,

I just want to thank you. I purchased thesis over the weekend and after spending 3 days trying to work with thesis. I ended up absolutely hating it (I'm not a designer and i don't know css).

But your comments have really made me change my mind about thesis and I will give it a another shot (or at least get a designer to do some work for me) and I will learn it myself as well.

Are there any good tutorial thesis sites I can use? One which explains thesis in the most basic terms possible (as I'm a complete novice and I don't understand how to code openhooks)? I've used the thesis site and frankly some of it went right over my head (esp. the bit about modifying custom.php!).

So if anyone is thinking of using thesis, I would say buy it while it's cheap (though I warn you it's not designed with the novice in mind. It's not a plug and play product) if you need a website that needs to go up quickly pay someone to do it for but learn how do use it yourself.

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fordannycool

Hello fypnlp,

I am not a Thesis specialist but this is a good inside from someone novice... but I heard both feedback either a good report or sometime a bad one... there are tutorial sites but find them through Google please... some are like DVD or else but not free though...

Normally if you have problems you should go to the forum and open a new post subject for it... or a ticket in the support section...

Many forget this matter in their replies and for sure few things are great but bottom line and this is true to any premium theme which need customization, many end up by hating it or spending more money in order to have their premium theme working right or customized as they wished...

In this way Semiologic Pro package comes in and is a bit different... because this package has been built with this in mind that more complex is the customization ability of the theme more issues will come, not only because there are few bugs left but also and mainly because those having no experience end up with a broken theme or to say a BIG MESS!!!

You still have the choice to pay someone to customize your theme but to say if you did not get experience in making your own customization from time to time you will still end up with a big mess or to be frustrated or be mad of losing your investment... may be some will give you a refund but you will still have to ask it in the support desk and probably before the 30th day of buying it or much sooner...

I am sorry I cannot really help you for this one but why not try the FREE latest Sem-reloaded theme made for WP 2.8.4 (which does not include the WP and the 65 plug-ins) and make yourself a theme customization and see if its works for you better... it has quite many customization abilities but not so complex that few premium ones... and for the pro an easy CSS plug-in to customized few things!!!

Herewith is the link:

Semiologic Theme, Reloaded For WordPress

Then you can see what works best for you and may be you will have the desire to buy it through my link (click on my Semiologic Pro banner to be redirected to the sales page and order!!!) with a promise that if you do so, I will give you many extra bonuses which worth much more than the high priced package, and also myself and many others will help you out that you feel to be home and not alone!!!

herewith is my blog site:

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If you do order, please advice me through a WF private message or through my Email address:

fordannycool@gmail.com

Good luck and all my best to resolve your issues...

Danny

BeauJustin

I've developed sites using a variety of different themes, Thesis included, and in my opinion it's unmatched. You can achieve high page rank very quickly for low-medium competition keywords, if you know what you're doing. It is just an amazingly powerful theme.

That said - it is not for the faint of heart. If you are a non-geek, it is not easy to learn the workings of this theme out of the box. A majority of the tech support comes from the forum, which while helpful, more often than not requires you to have an idea what they're taking about.

For instance, one of the frustrating things about Thesis is that, while you can make changes to the custom_functions page from the admin panel, you'd better make sure your design and programming syntax is proper, because if it isn't, it breaks the entire site - including the admin side, and you have to reupload a good copy of the custom functions page to fix it.

You can do some great customization with thesis once you learn the terminology associated with hooks and functions. But, in my humble opinion, to get the most out of Thesis, if you're not already familiar with Wordpress functions, and don't have a high technical aptitude either get ready to learn, or hire someone to make the changes for you. You could just use the stock theme out of the box, and don't worry about changing the code. It's a beautifully simple layout, and works for a lot of people who do just that.

Some other premium theme offerings out there which are making ripples in the Parent Theme category (like Thesis) are the Vigilance theme - which I like a lot, and seems to have as much SEO readiness as Thesis, and the WP-Frugal theme, which is also a gorgeously simple theme, which bears a lot of resemblance to Thesis.

Both Vigilance and WP-Frugal have free offerings of their themes. The primary difference is that Vigilance is a fully functioning theme, the paid version simply gives you access to forums, some very cool addons, access to the support team, developers rights, etc.. Wordpress Frugal has a free version which is nice and simple, and a paid version which comes with lots placement spots similar to Thesis hooks, but without all the programming.

Therein lies the difference in these two parent themes versus a majority of the free parent themes, and Thesis, as well, is that the programming requirements are low. You'll still have to know decent HTML to achieve a truly unique design, but you don't have to fool around with learning all the terminology of Thesis.

By the way, I love Thesis and have used it on numerous sites. It's just not as simple out of the box as they claim.

Google Wordpress Vigilance, and Wordpress Frugal and see what you think.

God bless you and your business!

Beau

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fordannycool

Hi Beau,

Thanks for your feedback... it is what I thought... not for the newbie...
Did you try Sem-reloaded or the sem pro package?

I did not know about Wordpress Vigilance and Wordpress Frugal I will take a look!

Did you try it yourself?

Thanks,

Danny

BeauJustin

I've tried both the Frugal and Vigilance and like them both. Vigilance has similar SEO power to Thesis, but with the added benefit of not being quite as tech-maddening.

Vigilance has it's own learning curve, but it's nowhere near as steep as Thesis. Something which is a little overwhelming with Vigilance, at first, is the level of control which is readily available right there in the backend control panel. There are so many different control parameters for adjusting borders, font sizes, colors, spacing size, columns etc., it's hard to figure out what control on the backend, changes which element on the front page. I mean there are just tons of control parameters back there! Still better than having to code a custom_css file, like in Thesis.

The great thing about Vigilance is that you can check it out for free, fully functioning, and keep it if you like it. To join the community and get the benefits there is only $44.

Frugal has a very similar backend to Vigilance, but perhaps not the SEO functionality readily available in Thesis or Vigilance. The free version is very nice and clean and in my opinion can be used for a lot of different purposes.

But the paid version, design wise, it is probably more versatile out of the box than Thesis and Vigilance put together. If you know your css, you can get some really crafty designs quick. If you go to the front page of Frugal you'll see all these grid boxes on the front page. Those spots are what's available with the Pro Frugal theme. The support team is awesome.

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Hi Ralf,

There are so many great free themes, why pay for them. I have been told that if you are building a blog network then you might want to use several different themes so that they look different to the search engines. I like inove, fluid-blue, and lessismore themes.

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fordannycool

Hi Beau,

Thanks so much for your feedback over Vigilance and Frugal!!!

If you had to counsel a newbie (not me!) which of them will you counsel out of these two!?

What about SEO built in mind... which one would be the most effective!?

As far as I read it seems that Vigilance is the most balance and easier to use... why then buy Thesis... I heard that it was not that simple to use and you confirmed it!

Did you try Sem-reloaded free version which means without the 65 plug-ins and the bugs free WP 2.8.4!?

Would you try it in a blog site and let us know what you think... it is SEO built and easy to use and has many customization abilities and the support is also awesome with many help from the forum but as I already wrote Sem-pro package is a platform which stand alone among the premium themes because it offers things that the others do not besides to be give the theme free, please check out this FREE Sem-reloaded theme:

Semiologic Theme, Reloaded For WordPress

I forgot to say also there is another FREE theme version which does not offer the power of Sem-reloaded but will be combined soon when the Sem-pro release will come, here is the download link:

Semiologic Theme For WordPress

Could you try it and let us know?

Thanks,

Danny

fordannycool

Hi James,

Yes you are right but except Sem-reloaded and the normal Sem-theme which are both FREE, including Frugal and Vigilance (also in their free versions) none of them offer SEO abilities, nor the customization power and if you want to monetize your blog you will have to pass through one of them... yet I do not know any others which have these abilities in a FREE VERSION THEME than those listed here!?

Besides with these themes listed above some offer you different skins as Sem-reloaded which may give you all the different look you are searching for BUT with the ability to have a SEO built-in theme...

That´s what make the difference between a FREE one not SEO built-in and and a pay premium one even if some offer a FREE trial or focus on the plug-ins package giving the theme freely as does Sem-reloaded...

Search engine do not look at the theme but at the page source code, at the content AND at the SEO abilities to crawl and dig into it besides others secrets things not really known to anyone... have you even try to swift from a Free version one YOU listed to one of those we recommend and see your Alexa and page ranking as for example Sem-reloaded or Frugal or Vigilance!?

I bet you that in less than a week you will see tremendous increase of traffic... so why get a free one when you can make money with others except if for sure you just want to blog that all then no worries any free themes will do it :-)

Cheers,

Danny

Oriam

$300 for Semiologic pro package is to expensive for me right now, maybe later when i start making money in my IM.
Is this amount just for the first year, how much to renew ?
I know nothing about php coding or css, is this site
or other sites like Thesis easy to edit my webpage ?
Don't get me wrong, i will learn php and css, but right now i already purchased 2 domain names and 2 years of business web hosting with hostgator.
So what I'm saying, time is money and i don't have much money left right now.
Sorry if this sounds like ranting, i feel a bit lost and overwhelmed by all this incertitude of my part

I do appreciate all your informative post and wish you all a Great weekend !!!

fordannycool

Hi Oriam,

This a bit funny... sorry... no offense please... in order to make money you may highly reconsider indeed to buy Semiologic Pro package because it has been SEO/Conversion built in mind to have a pretty fast high page ranking in order to have a high traffic... a high conversion rate... AND hence, at the end what most wanted, MONEY!!!

The renewal is $175/year but you can renew anytime after your first year, many wait one or more years to renew, checking for really big changes in the Pro package before renewing it... but it is not good to wait several years because there are hacking issues arising in WP nor to upgrade WP for example from 2.7.x to WP 2.8.x versions as it may have some or most of the plug-ins not functioning any longer or the new theme breaks your site down... (not a fatal error if you know what to do!!!)...

It´s happened to me... I wanted to keep WP 2.7.1 with my pro because of beta version of the new pro package but just to upgrade to the new and better Sem-reloaded version... unfortunately found out afterward only for 2.8.x version... and ending up to screw up my whole site... but found out the issue and fixed it fast...

Besides this, it is HIGHLY recommended NOT to update or upgrade directly WP alone... the pro package includes WP in its newest version BUT BUGS FREE (way before WP releases the new version) + all plug-ins updated + the new theme updated (this theme is free to test as long as you wish and fully functional without any restriction link here: Semiologic Theme, Reloaded For WordPress) but few did not listen to this and got WP updated from the auto WP update and screwed completely their site up because WP had so many bugs in the 2.8 version that their sites were down... but this is also true for any other themes like Thesis if they did not make a patch before release!!!

The difference between Thesis and Semiologic pro package is that the theme is free in Sem vs. Thesis paid version, and that WP is bugs free directly within the package, all the plug-ins are updated or upgraded and the theme is updated consequently all in the same time in order to have a fully update/upgrade without any WP issue (some may arise from time to time from the plug-ins but very fast fixed in few hours or days)... hence $295 the first year and $175 thereafter because Denis not only take care of the theme but also of the 65 premium plug-ins and make WP bug free before even WP release it own patches!!!

As Denis de Bernardy the coder/Sem CEO said and as I already wrote you can use the benefit of any other themes especially Thesis within the Pro package because they are WP based and the Sem theme within the Pro package is independent as all others WP themes, meaning you can test for example Sem-reloaded, Thesis, Vigilance, Frugal, Arclite, Atahualpa and many more not listed here, all within WP and the pro package switching from one to the other having therefore the bonuses of the great SEO/conversion plug-ins but still using your favorite theme... in case the Semiologic theme does not have sufficient customization abilities as wished...

Now to answer your query the Sem Pro package with the Sem-reloaded theme has a Custom-CSS plug-in to modify few things not as much as Thesis but however you do not need to know php or CSS as it has been built in mind for customization without editing codes I will say works pretty in auto... php has been about dropped in favor of an entirely widget-based template including (and within the Sem-reloaded theme a new Custom-CSS) besides Denis is making this package everyday better as a stand alone platform and is a pioneer being the first to implement new things... Thesis as written earlier is great but not for newbie in mind... that make the difference when you buy it you do not buy a theme (it is free anyway) but a package or platform with 65 PREMIUM plug-ins for about $4.50 each (inexpensive)...

I will recommend in this "Best Wordpress Theme Ever, Semiologic or Thesis?" title to check these posts for the Sem package:
- general answers #62, #64, #67, #83
- then from Denis de Bernardy: #71
- then my explanations: #80, #82, #87, #88, #98, #107, #110, #117, #118, #121, #125, #130
- thesis not for newbie: # 126

Nothing is easy in the I.M. but if you want to learn then it will become easier...

If you are interested to buy this Pro package AND get many free bonuses for an amount of more than 3 times the value of this Sem Pro package... then please go to my blog site: http://www.semiologic.com?aff=htmlindex1
or
www.getsemiologic.com?aff=htmlindex1
click on one of these links... order it... show me your order and I will send you many bonuses good for a newbie and counsel you privately, what and and how to get page ranking fast as well as what to buy or not as plug-ins or courses etc...

My Email: fordannycool@gmail.com

Cheers,