JK Nyerere

Has anybody bought this google-1st ToolKit yet? Sounds interesting but rather steep in price.
He claims his sytem can get your asset on the first page of Google with a bit of social marketing. I can not imagine what I would be paying $247 for as the sales page is a bit vague. Big on promises with very little details. The developer also says will only issue a refund if you have proof that you have tried his sytem.

What if his system requires to put advertising banners on top of mount everest while barefoot? I am usually quite suspicious of such refund policies. The product sounds inetersting though.

JKN

Gimli

I have purchased the Google 1st Gold edition. The regular is quite good, but the Gold is crap and definitely not worth the extra £100. It's two bob! I get more useful info in the freebies.

Actually, there is a free 20 minute video by Jeff Johnson that does exactly the same thing as what the Google 1st Toolkit does, only not in the same detail. It's really what StomperNet teach but nursery school in comparison.

To be fair, The StomperNet Home Study Course cost me £100 and is worth every bit of it. It is SEO number 1! There is so much to see and learn with no holds barred, that will take you weeks to view all the video tutorials. It is their Brain Child and they're giving it away for peanuts.

Google 1st does not compare, but it is quite a well laid out instructional guide for the newbie and intermediate alike. It's like anything. You just gotta lay out a plan and see it through in order to get the results. Google 1st does help with the organizational part.

The reason that I asked for a refund (I haven't got it as yet - and may well be lucky to get it) is because he sells this product on his website deceptively. He snared me in his trap to buy the product 2 weeks before the launch in order to save paying $3000. I waited eagerly and on the 31st May it was launched. (I'm not sure it had been launched at an earlier date now?)

In his fairy tale web copy, he told us that it would be heavily discounted if we buy before the launch (31st May 2009), as then it would be increased to $3000 (yeah, right!) I did nevertheless expect the price to increase to some degree though. It didn't increase by a penny and I feel like i've been mugged. That's the reason I want out. I lost any and all belief in him and his system as soon as I discovered the crap I was fed.

However, I discovered it to be a blatant lie. 2 weeks after he launched it, the price is exactly the same and guess what, the day I re-visited (15/06/2009) it was launch day again with the same old lying crap. Another launch. It's like Cape Canaveral.

Honestly, if it wasn't for the way he takes people for idiots, then I would have considered staying with it. I will not be a part of his scammy sales tricks and stay with someone who needs to lie to us in order to make a buck. Just bear it in mind! I'll be lucky if I ever see my $394 (£255) again. I personally no longer trust Michael Green.

His product is somewhat worthy and doesn't require fairy tales and sneaky, deceptive ploys to make the sale. But it seems to be the norm these days anyway. I don't understand it though. People aren't that stupid. Let's face it, as soon as you discover that it's not what they claim or if it's a proper con, then most people will get their refund - if it's through a respected payment processor like Paypal or Clickbank.

Really, what's the point in trying to pull the wool over their eyes. You only gotta give them their money back. Why give them a reason to do that? I can't understand it. We all expect to be SOLD to. Fair enough, but there's line.

Anyway, in all honesty, I think the Google 1st strategy works, but not immediately. He leads us to believe that it can be put together in around 3 hours. Let me say this, (without showing you my niche or website) I always put effort into anything that I do and personally I didn't just put up unworthy 2 paragraph blogs. (Nuff said) I don't think that a blog post with 2 paragraphs really warrants a view or a click. I think it's about giving some useful information and value to the visitor as well as feeding the spiders. But that's me! It wasn't always the case - but I learned.

I created mine with at least 300 words. I can't tell you exactly what his process is, but it's common knowledge and it all free and better at the Thirty Day Challenge anyway. By doing it properly, I have not managed to complete the first campaign. It has taken me approximately 10 days thus far and would still require a further 3 days. Then times the whole lot by eight. Umh?

It is time consuming and over time it probably will yield dividends - providing you DO NOT enter a niche with too much competition. Can't tell you the amount as it's Michael's baby - although if I don't get my refund I'll tell all and splash it all over the Internet. The competition is well lower than he makes it out to be on his website copy. Well below!

I was led to believe that I could go up against anyone, no matter how big the competition. NOT SO! You won't beat the big boys. When the biggest sites manipulate their in-site links the Stomper way - there's little chance of beating them.

Also, if you ask for a refund like I did (Apparently it's a 200% money-back guarantee), you may end up having a dispute on your hands.

I complied with their wishes and removed all their data from my PC. I also deleted the members address from my Firefox browser. After doing that I realised that I wasn't sure of the password that I used. To be fair, I use so many and form some of them too quick and make it easy for me to forget them, unless I write it down quick. And then I've been apt to lose 'em. But I do use the Firefox and Flock 'remember' facility. Of course, if you delete the address and later cannot find it, then in my case I lost the password. So I gave the most common one that I use.

That's the only reply I got, which was to ask for my receipt details and to delete their stuff from my PC. Not a problem. I've got the FULL StomperNet Home Study Videos. It's what they normally charge about $10K to go to their seminars. I'm not trying to sell it. They don't use affiliates for this anyway. But it is like being at the seminar yourself! The way the Dvd set is structured is second to none.

Sorry! Getting back to the point. I gave them my copy of my receipt and some personal access details, then they just didn't bother to reply.

I sent all the details again about 6 hours later by opening a new ticket and they have thus far ignored it. Thanks Michael!

That's my story for now anyways.

Bruce NewMedia

Altecl46: what is the point of your post above? ..all you appear to have done is copy some text from Greens promotional material?
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Bruce

Gimli

This is just a quick update to let you know that although I have decided to opt out of Michael Green's 'Google 1st Toolkit' system, he has indeed refunded my payment and for that, I am grateful.

(What actually does concern me is the fact that there was no further reply until I (very late last night) opened a 'dispute' with Paypal. I switched on my computer this morning and saw that I'd been refunded and the dispute closed. I believe that was a necessary step to take in order for them to stop dragging their feet with the refund - and it worked!)

Also, I very much agree with Robert when he spells out that many so-called gurus all seem to stamp their names on these ventures. We are all getting wise to the fact that we're psychologically driven and more likely to buy when a product is endorsed by another "guru". When in fact they're only joint venture partners grabbing a piece of the pie and affiliating with them. "You scratch my back" sort of thing.

I did in fact post a comment on Rosalind Gardner's Youtube video promoting Michael's product and imparted my feelings that she was tainting her good name by endorsing not the product, but the misleading way it's being sold. I also told her that I expected her not to approve the comment for public viewing. I haven't checked back as yet, but am fairly confident that it won't be.

I actually learn from experiences like this and realise that it is very important to be as honest, clear and straight when it comes to selling - especially on the Internet. I personally don't like to feel as though I've been taken for ride and nor do customers. It will certainly help me to have a re-read of my own web site copy.

I've got tons to learn myself and have also been guilty of making a few 'enlarged' claims - but I'm learning and will continue to do so. (There's some glass to break in my house as well!)

It's not the product I griped about - it was the trust. When you feel like you've been double-crossed it hurts. One minute you're made to feel special and privileged to get a great product (that not everyone can get access to - if you know what I mean) and the next, you find out that it's a load cobblers.

I suppose I'm not much different to most people in respect that I don't mind paying for something just so long as I have faith and trust in the seller and his/her wares.

And that seems to be criteria these days. As they say, "good news travels fast but bad news travels faster."

People are becoming much more savvy when it comes to buying on the Internet these days. I recently read something online that made pretty good sense. The marketer I refer to made a very reasonable statement about one of the scripts that are commonly used on our websites. It's the one where is tells the visitor to hurry up and buy today (right now) as the price on offer today will most definitely be increasing tomorrow.

By using this script, we're really saying to the potential buyer, "you're stupid!" We are in fact insulting their intelligence.

It's been said that a visitor can come back to a website up 7 times before they actually make a purchase. What do you think they think of us when they see that the price is still the same a week or two later (even months later - which is more likely to decrease than increase anyway) ? And the script still telling them that the price is going up tomorrow! It make us look stupid really - don't it?

Savvy buyers know the score and don't like to be taken for fools. When they see that script - they know as we do! To be fair, when I'm about to purchase a product online, I'll often hit the <back> button just before making the purchase. And guess how much you can save (quite often) just by doing that? We've all seen that script.

If I was you Michael, I'd alter my web site copy. How do you think all your other customers who bought the product will feel if they find out that by them paying 2 weeks up front (like I did) and all eagerly awaiting the launch, then find out that they could have waited and still paid the same price. How do ya think they'll feel to know you didn't increase the price to $3k like you inferred?

Not very good!

Michael - you've got a winning product. You don't need to BS us. Thank you for the refund. Wishing you good luck!

dpm

I'm not surprised that Google Ist Toolkit is turning out to be a big disappointment.

I purchased "20K in 20 Days" by Michael Green which also was very misleading on the sales page. It certainly gave the imression that earning this amount in 20 days was guaranteed. Only after starting the program did I realise that one day in this program is much more than 24 hours.

It was claimed on the sales page that anyone who purchased pre-launch would pay 50% less. Weeks after "20K in 20 Days"was launched the price was still the same which I wasn't happy about at all.

I tried the program for 7 weeks which is 42 days and I was still on day 3. I felt that there wasn't enough information provided about how to put a toolkit together and spent a great deal of time trying to overcome this stumbling block.

In the end I decided to ask for a refund as I was nowhere near to achieving this goal. After many Emails and complaining in the members forum I eventually received a refund. It took 2 weeks before I received an Email that I would be receiving a refund, and that it is too long to wait for a money back guarantee to be fulfilled.

After this negative experience I decided that I would never purchase anything again from Michael Green. I wasn't the only customer who had to wait a long time for a refund as many decided to do so before the 8 weeks was up. There was a thread in the members forum about the problem to receive a refund, and everyone who posted were very angry and disappointed about the hassle they were going through to get their money back.

Whenever a new product is released I always wait until Warriors have made comments or written a review as these days you can't believe everything you read on a slaes page.

Slyknight

That is the first time I've heard this program. I've purchased things that use Google's name before and the results are never what is promised. Therefore, I stay away completely from such things. But this program seems different from what the ones I've bought. IMO, if this guy really figured out a way to rank #1 in Google for any given keyword of your choice, he wouldn't be sharing it to the cyberworld.

JenniferChristine

Thanks for your awesome review, Gimli. I was tempted to buy it but the price and guarantee conditions put me off and now that I've read your review I'm really glad I didn't buy it!

Eben

thanks for the review. i'm staying away from this one for sure.

Gimli

Just a quick addon note...

I know that I've put it down a bit but in fairness, if it wasn't for the fact that I discovered that the discount we were supposed to have had was a crock, then I'd have stuck with it. It was the deception that got me. If I lose confidence and belief in someone, then I normally just dump the whole thing. That's just me.

When I join up anywhere I always go back to double check if they are upstanding with regard to so-called promises of price increases etc. Unfortunately, I tend not to believe what I read on the Internet anymore. There are a lot of faceless scamsters on the Internet today. They all know what we need and what we want. They use their skills to gift wrap it in a way that almost makes us want to snatch it right from them there and then.

They work on our emotions and when they get us in peak that state - whamo! That's where the, "buy this golden egg now or forever be doomed" call for action takes place.

They use the very best copywriters who use all their psychological selling skills and word them into the fairy tales and dreams that we desire. Be very careful! They are that good that they can literally sell the skid marks off of their pants to us.

If there's one good thing that I got from it, then it was to get organised. That's always been a weakness of mine. Michael does have a way of getting you organised so you know exactly where you are and what to to next. This amounts to getting things done. And that equals results. (Cause and Effect).

As you all well know, it's being able to finish the project without going off the trail with most of the crap that fills our in boxes day and night. It's what tends to distract me and makes it very hard to see things through to fruition.

I have always tried to learn or take something of value from any experience (including the bad) - I never seem to see things clearly when in a rant and tend to focus only on the negative at the time. When the blood cools - the brain switches back on again. I now know how to organise myself properly and I'll take that with me from here on. And so for that, I thank you Michael.

If you're tempted to get it, leave out the Gold - you won't need it.

Good luck!

pearsonbrown

I didn't buy this product, though I have bought several other Michael Green products.

I checked back on the sales page and there is never any suggestion that the price was to be $3000. There is just the standard marketing 'guff' about what the material is really 'worth'.

Pearson

apollocreed

My understanding from Gimli is that the suggestion of a $3,000 price tag was made during the PRE-launch marketing hype before it launched on May 31.

pearsonbrown

Well that's not what Gimli wrote. He refers several times in his post to the existing copy on the Website.

apollocreed

Gimli wrote:

"He snared me in his trap to buy the product 2 weeks before the launch in order to save paying $3000. I waited eagerly and on the 31st May it was launched. (I'm not sure it had been launched at an earlier date now?)"

and...

"In his fairy tale web copy, he told us that it would be heavily discounted if we buy before the launch (31st May 2009), as then it would be increased to $3000 (yeah, right!)"

and...

"If I was you Michael, I'd alter my web site copy. How do you think all your other customers who bought the product will feel if they find out that by them paying 2 weeks up front (like I did) and all eagerly awaiting the launch, then find out that they could have waited and still paid the same price. How do ya think they'll feel to know you didn't increase the price to $3k like you inferred?"


I do not see how any clearer it could be. Yes he does refer to existing copy on the website, but the refernces are to other misleading comments, not the $3000 price tag.

Gimli

Hi there,

I read the comments about what I stated regarding the $3000.

I have just opened another page on my browser and typed in "google 1st toolkit". I clicked on his website and have copied this for all to see:

"The launch period means that you can get your copy now and that rather than paying $3k, you'll pay $297".

I have just looked at my printed out copy of the website content that I have and this is exactly what is says, "The pre-sale period means that you can book your copy , but you won't receive the toolkit until it's actual launch on 31st May 09 and that pre-launch price means that rather than paying $3K, you'll pay $297".

I have entered the above statement word for word verbatim.

I think that's plain enough. Does that not infer that if you buy the product now, then you won't have to pay the price of $3000 after the launch?

Looking back at the website (now) I can see that this statement has since been removed. It was directly after the statement shown above, "The launch period means that you can get your copy now and that rather than paying $3k, you'll pay $297". At this time, this statement is still there.

Also, if anyone doubts me, then there is an archives website (I don't have the address at hand, but it can be sourced online) that takes a snapshot of every site that is submitted and also when it is amended. I used it against a competitor 3 years ago for plagiarizing one of my websites and he also purchased my product and then attempted to sell it as well. I sent the details to Google, Yahoo! and MSN and under the terms of the DMCA they all banned his sites immediately. So I know this archive website does exist.

Unless I'm mistaken, $3k means $3000!

Anyway, before I buy an expensive product online I ALWAYS make a copy of the website content for two reasons:

1) So that I can read it at my own leisure and also because I don't like to be reading a 50 pager online. I tend to read too fast and miss bits.

2) I can always refer back to the original content if it's turns out to be a moody.

I don't often visit this forum due to the fact that like most of us. I'm trying hard to learn and make a living online.

Some of you may think that I'm a griper but in fact I'm not really. There is a blatant rip being offered right now on the Internet and personally, I think people ought to know about it.

About 2 weeks ago I got an email from a well know Internet Marketer and I clicked on the link and ended up forking out $47 with "Cash Making PowerSites".

In a nutshell here's what you get for your $47:

(It's on there website at the time of me writing this)
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"So in a nutshell you get:

5 amazing websites!
5 websites that convert sales automatically!
5 websites that put "forced" money directly into your pocket!
5 websites that are run by another firm for you (and at NO charge!)
5 websites that continue to promote for you over & over!
5 websites that grow & cultivate a 5 separate proven lists!
5 websites that function automatically (so you never run it!)

And 5 websites that you get Free HOSTING for!

So as you can easily see you get the whole "Sha-Bang!"

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Am I right in believing that in the above list of benefits, that I'll be able to grow and cultivate a 5 separate lists for the 5 websites that I get?

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong - but I aint!

I emailed "Cash making Powersites" and asked them directly if I'd be getting the list for the traffic leads that I drive to each of my 5 websites, as I could not see ANY evidence of it whatsoever on the member site. The reply simply told me how very hard they all work.

Here's what Cindy wrote to me in the email:

"We have control ove rhte aweber account to ensure the follow up and auto responder series. Our reputation rests on converting sales, and we work very hard to do exactly that through the use of our aweber account". Cindy.

That's not what I was asking.

I mentioned another similar website "My Online Income System", that is a rip and that pulls the same strokes. When I asked these people after sending them about 6 emails, each time they replied, "I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question. Can you please explain again in detail? After half a dozen emails I think I got the message. I got my refund, but these people are taking advantage of those who desperately need to make some cash online.

Anyway, I emailed "Cash Making Profitsites" again and asked them to just be straight with me. I asked them this, "are we doing all the traffic-getting donkey work and building a list for you?

NO REPLY!

I emailed them again and simply stated to them that we obviously are.

Here's the real kick in the head...

I always test things out whenever I can and so I clicked on one of my 5 websites that I'd been given, "Pick and Click Cash" and went through the polava of entering my details as though a visitor would have to see where I'd end up.

First there's the squeeze Page with a video of this ?????'s sickly voice (Honestly, I should have guessed what it was all about after listening to his voice. I'm no master at psysiognomy but I can normally tell a phoney when I see them. I am pretty good with voices as well - this one's empty with no real sincerity or conviction. I'm from Stepney, East London; and like most of you from a big city, you get to meet them all.)

He drags their email and name out of them, then to another page where you see another quick video telling you how you need to white list his emails. Then you can close this page and you go to the money page. I scrolled right down to the bottom only to click on the ORDER button.

Here's the blatant scam: This is what's at the bottom of the Clickbank order page: [affiliate = mcapproved] Guess what? That's not my affiliate hoplink. And it's not one of the websites that I was given.

In the members area, you see all your 5 websites like this: yourwebsite.com/your-aff-name

This means that they get ALL the money (commissions) and ordinarily I'd never get to know. I'd be the Joe Mug doing all the donkey work to get traffic - all going through them, and they'd be the ones raking it in. Nice One!

As I think quicker that I can type, I sometimes tend to not fully make myself understood properly, but I hope that you can see what all the fuss is about.

When I first tried this exercise with them a few weeks back it did have my affiliate hoplink at the bottom of the Clickbank order page. But it seems that they may wait a while before getting up to their tricks.

I sent all these details to Clickbank earlier today. I'm disgusted. I haven't contacted them about it, as they can then make some quick adjustments.

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I often wonder what goes through their heads when they get together and think up a scam and so just for laughs, here's how I think this one goes:

Bonnie: "I've thought of a great way we can make a fortune and without doing hardly any work".

Clyde: "Oh yeah. How ya gonna do that then?"

Bonnie: "Well ya know there's millions of morons (I mean people) out there who haven't gotta clue how to build a website and make any money online- don't ya?"

Clyde: "Yeah."

Bonnie: "What we do is we charge them for 5 great looking websites and promise them the world."

Clyde: "How's that gonna make us rich then?"

Bonnie: "Wait for it! We also give 'em a list of resources whereby they have to go and get all the traffic to these 5 websites we've built. All at their expense and time"

Clyde: "I still don't get it."

Bonnie: "Gawd Blimey, are you thick or what? They do all the donkey work and all at their expense as well, plus we make sure ALL that traffic comes through our system, that way we get to build massive targeted email lists (for nothin') and they also get to sell our product as an added bonus (for us of course). It's a win, win situation for us!"

Clyde: "Sounds great. But what do they get out of it?"

Bonnie: "Well, what we do is throw them a few scraps here and there and that'll keep 'em happy. Not to mention the 5 pretty websites that they can show off and brag to all their friends about".

Clyde: "You're a bleedin' genius - you know that?"

Bonnie: "I know I am! And there's more. After a while, they'll just forget about their websites and give up. Then we'll keep all the money that their traffic brings."

Clyde: "Awe, I love it when ya talk like that!"
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I find it useful to still try to see the humorous side of things as well.

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I got a call late last week from a representative of a company that I deal with in the States and he told me that a recent research was carried out and the findings were frightening. Approximately 95% of all these 'make money online' offers are in fact SCAMS!

I've just been reading some alarming stuff. It's been said that the real Internet Marketing gangsters who do have the million dollar homes (IM Gurus?) constantly make it a point to keep us (meat for the grinder) distracted. That's why most of us never finish a new project or system, because there's an EVEN better one stuck in our face the following day.

Let's face it, all of us aspiring Internet Marketers are their bread and butter. If we discover how to really make money, then they'd get no more dough out of us.

If you're anything like me, then you've probably spent a few years and a lot of money only to still be where you were some years ago. You've probably learned more skills, but not the most important one: To Make REAL Money Online.

You may also have a ton of stuff all neatly back-up on discs that you never even got a real chance of trying out to the finish - am I right?

Chances are (as I have noticed) there are one or two good money making systems in that hoard of data, that can be made to turn a profit.

I think it's a good idea to spend a day and unsubscribe from all of the email marketers. Use what you've got and make it work. Everything being offered to us is only some form of rehashed product with a different name and face.

You know why we won't unsubcribe don't ya? Because we think we might miss out of a real good winner! The one that will finally make us rich (and in quick time) Hmm?

All we really are, are people wanting to make money at home and online. It's the biggest market and the gurus are bleeding us dry!

Well, that was a mouthful.

If any of you who read this have signed up with "Cash Making Profitsites", then I strongly urge you to do what I did and check if your Affiliate hoplink is where it ought to be. And go back and check it regularly.

Best of luck!

PS: Now I've got to make the time to re-do my website and remove all those 5 phoney websites. What a drag.

Avidpoet

Gimli you've opened up my eyes even more to what Ive been feeling and dealing with the last 4yrs myself. One opportunity after the other I un-subscribed myself off the Guru-Go-Around and only read and listen to two Gurus mainly because they dont constantly shove crap down my throat.

I also was a member of Google-1st got my refund a day after I requested it. I left not because I didnt try but because of the way the program was marketed. Get in now before it goes up to 3k I remember reading that on the sales page. I signed up for the Gold level membership only to find out that he is mentioning some of the web 2.0 properties to the regular buyers in the Forum.

One thing I can say is Michael does a good job of training you to organize your time better but the Marketing tactics insulted my intelligence. Fastforward a few weeks after the launch and the price is still the same and its not closed for new members.

If I can offer one piece of advice to anyone just starting out in this industry it is to find one person who knows what they are doing and un-subscribe your self from the Guru-Go-Around. I did and its less confusing. Think about this! Making Money Online is a Niche and some Gurus are treating it as such.

Gimli

Thanks for your comments AvidPoet.

I just wanted to quickly say that Clickbank have just refunded me for the "Cash Making Powersites".

It's just a complete waste of time and energy when you have to deal with these scoundrels. I'd much sooner that their products worked, so that I wouldn't need to keep going through the same old ordeal.

I got another email from them today, which absolutely proves what I'm saying here. Following the link on the email takes me to another product that they are affiliated with.

This now totally puts the icing on the cake for me. It's absolute evidence that these guys are not promoting the sites that I'd bought into. What a scam! They are in fact using the our leads solely for their own selfish and greedy motives.

It Is a blatant SCAM.

I've mentioned all this to Clickbank, but I'm sure that they'll continue to do business with them. It's all about the money. What has it come to?

All I can say is that for anyone trying to make money on the Internet to beware. It has become a shark infested digital ocean, whereby you need to be forever watchful and alert or be eaten!

howtocorp

Gimli and everyone else,

Just wanted to add a few comments back on this thread. Over on the actual support forum for Google-1st, folks are now reporting back success. For example, someone has just posted to let us know how they have the first 8 out of 10 spots on Google's first page for their search term.

In other words, what's in Google-1st actually works, but it can't work if you don't use it and simply refund the product.

Refunds however are always honored on HowToCorp products. We've never knowingly not honored a refund and all our products are sold via third-party credit card clearers, so that provides additional security for the purchaser too. Not that it is needed.

The point about the pricing and availability is that we have and will remove products from the market. We've done it with 3 previous 'How To' products before Google-1st was launched and just withdraw a forth from our range. We reserve the right to withdraw Google-1st and specifically may increase the price at any time. The exact timing of a price increase is not revealed, but there was a guarantee that if you bought it in advance of launch day then you would get it at the discount. And while the discount is still available as I write, it genuinely will not be for long. We do already have the price rise programmed in and it's only days away.

It's an interesting debate above about what something is worth. Had you of followed through on the techniques, secured top Google spots like others, and generated business for yourself, you would no doubt be thinking that it's hard to put a price on that kind of success. Since you've turned your back on the approach it's hard to know what would have happened for you and therefore whether you would have really considered it to be excellent value. All I can tell you is that the approach specifically works.

In regard to the GOLD section, it's a live area of the toolkit and has already been updated since you turned your back on the product with additional sections. There's a further update planned with some really exciting additions and GOLD owners get to learn about new techniques and updates first. Again, because you rushed to judgement you will not have got to see any of that.

Google-1st itself has a lower than average refund rate and a high number of people on the private forum and help desk are reporting success. People do then have to ensure that the excellent Google placements increase their sales on their main site and there's more information on this being posted to the product too, in addition to manual updates - the last of which was actually yesterday and so you will have never have seen.

I appreciate your somewhat balanced comments about the way in which Google-1st helps to get your organized. Respect your point of view and just wanted to respond to let you know that I'd read your comments and had taken note of them too.

Kind regards
Michael Green

Eben

so far i see a lot of mention of words like 'scam' and 'refund' in this thread. how about the actual product itself? any positive experience?

brp002

Yea i will stay away

howtocorp

Here's real feedback from people who are actually using the toolkit. It's posted on the Google-1st Private Owner's Forum. Over on that private forum people are posting up their real experience for others. This is taken from Gene's log:

>> Well drop my jaw! I guess I should check state before I post. It has only been less that 5 hours after setting up my Authority Blog Site (SIC) and it is #1 Shocked Shocked Shocked (Now I wish I had linked to my site) that is out of 658,000 without quotes. It has even beat answers.yahoo.com! AND my money site is #3 for the same term. My guess is it will probably drop out as Google does its thing. But not bad for just a few hours after publishing and I did not even ping it yet. With quotes I am #1 (on this Authority Blog Site (sic) #3 (money site) #4 (Authority Blog Site (sic) and #5 (Authority Blog Site (sic) this is out of 30,000 searches. Now if people will show up at my site and click on ads. All of these have not been pinged yet.

I've removed the mention of the actual sites and replaced with Authority Blog Site in each case.

And this from 'bennyzebs' success log:

>> Hey Guys. Google 1st is an amazing product. After around 5-6 years trying to make money online - finally I have got a product that works and that delivers real results. After applying Google 1st my website that I am trying to promote now ranks position #3 on Google (Smiley).

On there are dozens more like this from real people using the product. I will post them onto Google-1st.com as testimonials as some point so that they can be viewed by everyone.

Eben

is that from personal experience? this does sound interesting though, just need some real testimonials.

Gimli

HOW TO CORP: Just to straighten up any confusion, I did not turn my back on your Gold membership. You make it sound as though I've lost out. Not on your Nelly!

If you read what I stated, you'll see that the sole reason for me requesting my refund was because when you mislead us with your over-hyped sales content and lie about the "grab this product now before it drastically increases on launch day" crap, then I immediately lose ALL faith and belief in both you and your system.

I do not feel as though I've lost anything by disconnecting myself from your program. I'm aware of that sales pitch. I've witnessed salesmen "burn" the prospect when they fail to sell to them. They hit them with that old nonsense about what they've lost out on by not buying the product from them! You can add a free Ferrari to the Gold members area for all I care.

Also, the testimonials that you produced don't mean a thing to me. I have my own thank you!

As I stated earlier, that I thought your product was nevertheless ok - but without the need to BS us with a misleading sales pitch regarding the money we'd save by purchasing 2 weeks prior to the launch.

Then 2 weeks later, I visited your web page again only to discover that you'd created a brand new launch on that day again. How many times did you launch it?

You just reminded me. I saw on someone's web sales copy only yesterday, an exact copy of a testimonial (including a photo) that I had previously seen on another website for a totally different product. These people must think we've got the memory of a goldfish. What's it coming to?

To be fair, your information is readily available across the Internet and most of it (if not all) can be accessed for free anyway. All you've done is simply put the information into a package and made it into a 'How-to" effort. And there were too many typos to mention, which in many cases made it hard to understand. It was as though you were getting fed up with writing the manual and tried to rush to the finish, as the typos got worse nearing the end.

As I stated before, I would have been happy to continue with you had you not misled us with your sales content.

Your not the only one to do this. The Internet is just becoming rife with it. And when website owners totally over-hype a product, I personally then find the actual product (in most cases) to be a let down. Hence the request for a refund.

Also, it may be construed by some marketers, that by purchasing products and then later obtaining a refund is being associated with ripping off the vendor. ie: stealing. The main reason that I request a refund is because most of the 'how to make money on the Internet' products do not give us the whole system. They tend to leave out bits or perhaps they don't even use it themselves. In some cases, I think that they just piece together various parts of many systems to create a product.

The way I see it is like this: If it just gets binned with all or any of the other stuff and doesn't ever get used, then what's the purpose in keeping it? After all, in most cases the money-back guarantee normally states that you can try the product for 56 days (or thereabouts) and if 'for any reason' you aren't totally happy with it, then just get a refund.

They obviously don't really mean it - do they? I mean, who want's to give back the money once they've got it? But if you don't mean it - then don't say it. Don't give it back with a grudge and moan about it.

Let's face it. With all the products being created almost every day by some so-called Internet marketing mastermind and then getting it shoved in our faces day in and day out via our in boxes, how are we expected to buy every product? We'd be potless. And the only way for us to see if the product stands up, is to take a closer look at it. In many cases we find that most of these products are just rehashed stuff all over and over again.

I think there'd be a lot less refunds if the product sales letter wasn't over exaggerated. I could be wrong - but that's just me.

The general impression that I getting on the Net is that some marketers are complaining about the refund policy to Clickbank. But the way I see it is, that if they're refunding us under protest, then don't offer a money-back guarantee in the first place - as they don't really mean it. It's just a way to initially grab our money and hope that we keep the product long enough for the guarantee to expire.

What they tend to forget is that we can only read words and see images on a webpage in order to get an idea of the product. It's not as though it's tangible whereby we can make a better on-the-spot decision. So we must have the option to download (when it's digital) the product to check it out in more detail. And so, if we then don't wish to keep it for any reason, then surely we are entitled to get our refund without any fuss. And in most cases we do.

Arh! But a certain digital affiliate network are now starting to get the zig about what they call "clawbacks" and are now intending to make it awkward to order if you've backed the last few products. They're keeping count. I know this for fact and haven't just drawn it out of a hat - honestly!

How do I know? I have recently requested refunds from them. The reason is because I'd been mugged! Full stop. Remember, that I'm the one who now has to wait about 5 days to get my money back. So they've started this "unable to process your order at this time" caper.

To tell the truth, I couldn't care less if they don't want to take my money. The fact is that I am a constant buyer. I buy stuff almost every week from ebay and other online stores. I never sell anything on eBay - I only ever buy. I love buying stuff.

I have never once asked for my money back or been disappointed with an eBay purchase or the other online stores, because I have had value every time- and that to me is what it's all about - period! Also, I know what I'm gonna get, whereas with these digital download information products that claim to do this, that and the other - you just don't know exactly what you're gonna get until you've parted with your wonga and then only to discover (in a lot of cases) that is all baloney!

I also buy digital stuff as well and believe me when I say this, that when I'm happy with the product, I would never in a million years try to get my money back. I'm more than happy for the seller to have my money. He/she can have it with my blessing. But, "If It's Crap - It Goes Back - Simple As That!"

I can give you an exact figure here. Over the past 16 days alone, I have purchased 12 different products from eBay and can prove it. The reason that I tell you this is simply to show you that when I request a refund, it's not to rip anyone off. It's because I'm not happy with the product and know that I'll never use it. Surely that can't be unethical can it? Well, 'you-know-who' doesn't like it. Tough!

We as consumers are taking more of a risk by parting with our money for "one's and zeros".

I recently outlined to this digital affiliate Network in great detail (you know the one I'm talking about) the facts about a website product/scam and yet they still do business with them and download their product. This was one of the reasons for requesting a refund.

This is a $multi-million dollar company that proved to me that their business ethics belong in the toilet, as they still continue to do business with this company (and others) because the only thing they're concerned about is downloading anything to make money.

If it's been brought to their attention that a certain product is a scam and then they knowingly continue to sell that product, then are they not a part of the scam themselves?

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had similar experiences.

howtocorp

Hi Gimli,

The original sales copy said that the product may be withdrawn, as 4 other 'How To' products have been if too many have been sold. We don't release figures about how many too many may be, but it is certainly the case that we have completely withdrawn products from the market before when we judge the market to be saturated. On other occasions we've raised the price.

The approach taken by Google-1st absolutely definitely works if you carry it through and as those who are still Gold members will know we're continuing to add to the GOLD membership area and will continue to do so.

We haven't posted testimonials all over the sales letter or used the various techniques that you've described here - attributed to others - about having the same picture, etc, posted up, but I agree with you about how annoying that can be.

On the other hand what Google-1st.com does is exactly what it says on the packet. It enables you to dominate up to 10 spots on the first page of Google for your specified keyword phrase - dependent on the amount of competition for that phrase of course.

What you then do with this competitive edge and traffic is up to you.