google-1st ToolKit

I'm not surprised that Google Ist Toolkit is turning out to be a big disappointment.

I purchased "20K in 20 Days" by Michael Green which also was very misleading on the sales page. It certainly gave the imression that earning this amount in 20 days was guaranteed. Only after starting the program did I realise that one day in this program is much more than 24 hours.

It was claimed on the sales page that anyone who purchased pre-launch would pay 50% less. Weeks after "20K in 20 Days"was launched the price was still the same which I wasn't happy about at all.

I tried the program for 7 weeks which is 42 days and I was still on day 3. I felt that there wasn't enough information provided about how to put a toolkit together and spent a great deal of time trying to overcome this stumbling block.

In the end I decided to ask for a refund as I was nowhere near to achieving this goal. After many Emails and complaining in the members forum I eventually received a refund. It took 2 weeks before I received an Email that I would be receiving a refund, and that it is too long to wait for a money back guarantee to be fulfilled.

After this negative experience I decided that I would never purchase anything again from Michael Green. I wasn't the only customer who had to wait a long time for a refund as many decided to do so before the 8 weeks was up. There was a thread in the members forum about the problem to receive a refund, and everyone who posted were very angry and disappointed about the hassle they were going through to get their money back.

Whenever a new product is released I always wait until Warriors have made comments or written a review as these days you can't believe everything you read on a slaes page.

thanks for the review. i'm staying away from this one for sure.

Hi there,

I read the comments about what I stated regarding the $3000.

I have just opened another page on my browser and typed in "google 1st toolkit". I clicked on his website and have copied this for all to see:

"The launch period means that you can get your copy now and that rather than paying $3k, you'll pay $297".

I have just looked at my printed out copy of the website content that I have and this is exactly what is says, "The pre-sale period means that you can book your copy , but you won't receive the toolkit until it's actual launch on 31st May 09 and that pre-launch price means that rather than paying $3K, you'll pay $297".

I have entered the above statement word for word verbatim.

I think that's plain enough. Does that not infer that if you buy the product now, then you won't have to pay the price of $3000 after the launch?

Looking back at the website (now) I can see that this statement has since been removed. It was directly after the statement shown above, "The launch period means that you can get your copy now and that rather than paying $3k, you'll pay $297". At this time, this statement is still there.

Also, if anyone doubts me, then there is an archives website (I don't have the address at hand, but it can be sourced online) that takes a snapshot of every site that is submitted and also when it is amended. I used it against a competitor 3 years ago for plagiarizing one of my websites and he also purchased my product and then attempted to sell it as well. I sent the details to Google, Yahoo! and MSN and under the terms of the DMCA they all banned his sites immediately. So I know this archive website does exist.

Unless I'm mistaken, $3k means $3000!

Anyway, before I buy an expensive product online I ALWAYS make a copy of the website content for two reasons:

1) So that I can read it at my own leisure and also because I don't like to be reading a 50 pager online. I tend to read too fast and miss bits.

2) I can always refer back to the original content if it's turns out to be a moody.

I don't often visit this forum due to the fact that like most of us. I'm trying hard to learn and make a living online.

Some of you may think that I'm a griper but in fact I'm not really. There is a blatant rip being offered right now on the Internet and personally, I think people ought to know about it.

About 2 weeks ago I got an email from a well know Internet Marketer and I clicked on the link and ended up forking out $47 with "Cash Making PowerSites".

In a nutshell here's what you get for your $47:

(It's on there website at the time of me writing this)
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"So in a nutshell you get:

5 amazing websites!
5 websites that convert sales automatically!
5 websites that put "forced" money directly into your pocket!
5 websites that are run by another firm for you (and at NO charge!)
5 websites that continue to promote for you over & over!
5 websites that grow & cultivate a 5 separate proven lists!
5 websites that function automatically (so you never run it!)

And 5 websites that you get Free HOSTING for!

So as you can easily see you get the whole "Sha-Bang!"

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Am I right in believing that in the above list of benefits, that I'll be able to grow and cultivate a 5 separate lists for the 5 websites that I get?

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong - but I aint!

I emailed "Cash making Powersites" and asked them directly if I'd be getting the list for the traffic leads that I drive to each of my 5 websites, as I could not see ANY evidence of it whatsoever on the member site. The reply simply told me how very hard they all work.

Here's what Cindy wrote to me in the email:

"We have control ove rhte aweber account to ensure the follow up and auto responder series. Our reputation rests on converting sales, and we work very hard to do exactly that through the use of our aweber account". Cindy.

That's not what I was asking.

I mentioned another similar website "My Online Income System", that is a rip and that pulls the same strokes. When I asked these people after sending them about 6 emails, each time they replied, "I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question. Can you please explain again in detail? After half a dozen emails I think I got the message. I got my refund, but these people are taking advantage of those who desperately need to make some cash online.

Anyway, I emailed "Cash Making Profitsites" again and asked them to just be straight with me. I asked them this, "are we doing all the traffic-getting donkey work and building a list for you?

NO REPLY!

I emailed them again and simply stated to them that we obviously are.

Here's the real kick in the head...

I always test things out whenever I can and so I clicked on one of my 5 websites that I'd been given, "Pick and Click Cash" and went through the polava of entering my details as though a visitor would have to see where I'd end up.

First there's the squeeze Page with a video of this ?????'s sickly voice (Honestly, I should have guessed what it was all about after listening to his voice. I'm no master at psysiognomy but I can normally tell a phoney when I see them. I am pretty good with voices as well - this one's empty with no real sincerity or conviction. I'm from Stepney, East London; and like most of you from a big city, you get to meet them all.)

He drags their email and name out of them, then to another page where you see another quick video telling you how you need to white list his emails. Then you can close this page and you go to the money page. I scrolled right down to the bottom only to click on the ORDER button.

Here's the blatant scam: This is what's at the bottom of the Clickbank order page: [affiliate = mcapproved] Guess what? That's not my affiliate hoplink. And it's not one of the websites that I was given.

In the members area, you see all your 5 websites like this: yourwebsite.com/your-aff-name

This means that they get ALL the money (commissions) and ordinarily I'd never get to know. I'd be the Joe Mug doing all the donkey work to get traffic - all going through them, and they'd be the ones raking it in. Nice One!

As I think quicker that I can type, I sometimes tend to not fully make myself understood properly, but I hope that you can see what all the fuss is about.

When I first tried this exercise with them a few weeks back it did have my affiliate hoplink at the bottom of the Clickbank order page. But it seems that they may wait a while before getting up to their tricks.

I sent all these details to Clickbank earlier today. I'm disgusted. I haven't contacted them about it, as they can then make some quick adjustments.

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I often wonder what goes through their heads when they get together and think up a scam and so just for laughs, here's how I think this one goes:

Bonnie: "I've thought of a great way we can make a fortune and without doing hardly any work".

Clyde: "Oh yeah. How ya gonna do that then?"

Bonnie: "Well ya know there's millions of morons (I mean people) out there who haven't gotta clue how to build a website and make any money online- don't ya?"

Clyde: "Yeah."

Bonnie: "What we do is we charge them for 5 great looking websites and promise them the world."

Clyde: "How's that gonna make us rich then?"

Bonnie: "Wait for it! We also give 'em a list of resources whereby they have to go and get all the traffic to these 5 websites we've built. All at their expense and time"

Clyde: "I still don't get it."

Bonnie: "Gawd Blimey, are you thick or what? They do all the donkey work and all at their expense as well, plus we make sure ALL that traffic comes through our system, that way we get to build massive targeted email lists (for nothin') and they also get to sell our product as an added bonus (for us of course). It's a win, win situation for us!"

Clyde: "Sounds great. But what do they get out of it?"

Bonnie: "Well, what we do is throw them a few scraps here and there and that'll keep 'em happy. Not to mention the 5 pretty websites that they can show off and brag to all their friends about".

Clyde: "You're a bleedin' genius - you know that?"

Bonnie: "I know I am! And there's more. After a while, they'll just forget about their websites and give up. Then we'll keep all the money that their traffic brings."

Clyde: "Awe, I love it when ya talk like that!"
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I find it useful to still try to see the humorous side of things as well.

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I got a call late last week from a representative of a company that I deal with in the States and he told me that a recent research was carried out and the findings were frightening. Approximately 95% of all these 'make money online' offers are in fact SCAMS!

I've just been reading some alarming stuff. It's been said that the real Internet Marketing gangsters who do have the million dollar homes (IM Gurus?) constantly make it a point to keep us (meat for the grinder) distracted. That's why most of us never finish a new project or system, because there's an EVEN better one stuck in our face the following day.

Let's face it, all of us aspiring Internet Marketers are their bread and butter. If we discover how to really make money, then they'd get no more dough out of us.

If you're anything like me, then you've probably spent a few years and a lot of money only to still be where you were some years ago. You've probably learned more skills, but not the most important one: To Make REAL Money Online.

You may also have a ton of stuff all neatly back-up on discs that you never even got a real chance of trying out to the finish - am I right?

Chances are (as I have noticed) there are one or two good money making systems in that hoard of data, that can be made to turn a profit.

I think it's a good idea to spend a day and unsubscribe from all of the email marketers. Use what you've got and make it work. Everything being offered to us is only some form of rehashed product with a different name and face.

You know why we won't unsubcribe don't ya? Because we think we might miss out of a real good winner! The one that will finally make us rich (and in quick time) Hmm?

All we really are, are people wanting to make money at home and online. It's the biggest market and the gurus are bleeding us dry!

Well, that was a mouthful.

If any of you who read this have signed up with "Cash Making Profitsites", then I strongly urge you to do what I did and check if your Affiliate hoplink is where it ought to be. And go back and check it regularly.

Best of luck!

PS: Now I've got to make the time to re-do my website and remove all those 5 phoney websites. What a drag.

HOW TO CORP: Just to straighten up any confusion, I did not turn my back on your Gold membership. You make it sound as though I've lost out. Not on your Nelly!

If you read what I stated, you'll see that the sole reason for me requesting my refund was because when you mislead us with your over-hyped sales content and lie about the "grab this product now before it drastically increases on launch day" crap, then I immediately lose ALL faith and belief in both you and your system.

I do not feel as though I've lost anything by disconnecting myself from your program. I'm aware of that sales pitch. I've witnessed salesmen "burn" the prospect when they fail to sell to them. They hit them with that old nonsense about what they've lost out on by not buying the product from them! You can add a free Ferrari to the Gold members area for all I care.

Also, the testimonials that you produced don't mean a thing to me. I have my own thank you!

As I stated earlier, that I thought your product was nevertheless ok - but without the need to BS us with a misleading sales pitch regarding the money we'd save by purchasing 2 weeks prior to the launch.

Then 2 weeks later, I visited your web page again only to discover that you'd created a brand new launch on that day again. How many times did you launch it?

You just reminded me. I saw on someone's web sales copy only yesterday, an exact copy of a testimonial (including a photo) that I had previously seen on another website for a totally different product. These people must think we've got the memory of a goldfish. What's it coming to?

To be fair, your information is readily available across the Internet and most of it (if not all) can be accessed for free anyway. All you've done is simply put the information into a package and made it into a 'How-to" effort. And there were too many typos to mention, which in many cases made it hard to understand. It was as though you were getting fed up with writing the manual and tried to rush to the finish, as the typos got worse nearing the end.

As I stated before, I would have been happy to continue with you had you not misled us with your sales content.

Your not the only one to do this. The Internet is just becoming rife with it. And when website owners totally over-hype a product, I personally then find the actual product (in most cases) to be a let down. Hence the request for a refund.

Also, it may be construed by some marketers, that by purchasing products and then later obtaining a refund is being associated with ripping off the vendor. ie: stealing. The main reason that I request a refund is because most of the 'how to make money on the Internet' products do not give us the whole system. They tend to leave out bits or perhaps they don't even use it themselves. In some cases, I think that they just piece together various parts of many systems to create a product.

The way I see it is like this: If it just gets binned with all or any of the other stuff and doesn't ever get used, then what's the purpose in keeping it? After all, in most cases the money-back guarantee normally states that you can try the product for 56 days (or thereabouts) and if 'for any reason' you aren't totally happy with it, then just get a refund.

They obviously don't really mean it - do they? I mean, who want's to give back the money once they've got it? But if you don't mean it - then don't say it. Don't give it back with a grudge and moan about it.

Let's face it. With all the products being created almost every day by some so-called Internet marketing mastermind and then getting it shoved in our faces day in and day out via our in boxes, how are we expected to buy every product? We'd be potless. And the only way for us to see if the product stands up, is to take a closer look at it. In many cases we find that most of these products are just rehashed stuff all over and over again.

I think there'd be a lot less refunds if the product sales letter wasn't over exaggerated. I could be wrong - but that's just me.

The general impression that I getting on the Net is that some marketers are complaining about the refund policy to Clickbank. But the way I see it is, that if they're refunding us under protest, then don't offer a money-back guarantee in the first place - as they don't really mean it. It's just a way to initially grab our money and hope that we keep the product long enough for the guarantee to expire.

What they tend to forget is that we can only read words and see images on a webpage in order to get an idea of the product. It's not as though it's tangible whereby we can make a better on-the-spot decision. So we must have the option to download (when it's digital) the product to check it out in more detail. And so, if we then don't wish to keep it for any reason, then surely we are entitled to get our refund without any fuss. And in most cases we do.

Arh! But a certain digital affiliate network are now starting to get the zig about what they call "clawbacks" and are now intending to make it awkward to order if you've backed the last few products. They're keeping count. I know this for fact and haven't just drawn it out of a hat - honestly!

How do I know? I have recently requested refunds from them. The reason is because I'd been mugged! Full stop. Remember, that I'm the one who now has to wait about 5 days to get my money back. So they've started this "unable to process your order at this time" caper.

To tell the truth, I couldn't care less if they don't want to take my money. The fact is that I am a constant buyer. I buy stuff almost every week from ebay and other online stores. I never sell anything on eBay - I only ever buy. I love buying stuff.

I have never once asked for my money back or been disappointed with an eBay purchase or the other online stores, because I have had value every time- and that to me is what it's all about - period! Also, I know what I'm gonna get, whereas with these digital download information products that claim to do this, that and the other - you just don't know exactly what you're gonna get until you've parted with your wonga and then only to discover (in a lot of cases) that is all baloney!

I also buy digital stuff as well and believe me when I say this, that when I'm happy with the product, I would never in a million years try to get my money back. I'm more than happy for the seller to have my money. He/she can have it with my blessing. But, "If It's Crap - It Goes Back - Simple As That!"

I can give you an exact figure here. Over the past 16 days alone, I have purchased 12 different products from eBay and can prove it. The reason that I tell you this is simply to show you that when I request a refund, it's not to rip anyone off. It's because I'm not happy with the product and know that I'll never use it. Surely that can't be unethical can it? Well, 'you-know-who' doesn't like it. Tough!

We as consumers are taking more of a risk by parting with our money for "one's and zeros".

I recently outlined to this digital affiliate Network in great detail (you know the one I'm talking about) the facts about a website product/scam and yet they still do business with them and download their product. This was one of the reasons for requesting a refund.

This is a $multi-million dollar company that proved to me that their business ethics belong in the toilet, as they still continue to do business with this company (and others) because the only thing they're concerned about is downloading anything to make money.

If it's been brought to their attention that a certain product is a scam and then they knowingly continue to sell that product, then are they not a part of the scam themselves?

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had similar experiences.