Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think?

jeanmarie · 07-05-2009, 08:20 PM

Be careful when you buy something from him because he usually has a nonrefundable disclosure--in very small print--. It took me months of emailing him and working with my cc company to get my money back

Jeanmarie

maab · 07-05-2009, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blogsy

I think video sales promotions work ... for now ... but I think people are quickly going to get very sick of slow loading videos that you don't know how long they are, that can't be paused, that end up saying not $5000.00, not $1997.00, not even $1200.00 Bla Bla Bla, come on, are buyers that going to continually get sucked in by that crap, I guess time will tell.

My guess that after a while as soon as a sales pitch starts out this way, people will click out. But a lot of money will still be made from the unwary, as always.

I'm with you, quite frankly I'm sick and tired of seeing that
it's not this price it's not that it's not even blah blah,
when I see this it gets on my nerves and I tend to
switch off I don't want to hear what it isn't just get
to the point. Another thing is the price hike (while some do)
I've seen things months after and it's still the same price.
Some honesty would be nice for a change.

Just my 2cents worth
Warm Regards
Michele

Mitch Miller · 07-06-2009, 09:03 AM

honesty won't sell their crap though.

JeanetteatBeach · 07-09-2009, 08:21 AM

In Wellman's sales videos, he said his approach of dropping the cookie was not illegal with clickbank - that somehow he found a way around the issue. My question is simple - is his approach cookie stuffing or not? We can each decide whether we want to risk being caught by clickbank, but I would just like to know if Wellman found a way around the label of "cookie stuffing" - Appreciate any comments.

A Bary · 07-09-2009, 10:10 AM

This is K. Wellman way of thinking, this is for everyone who considers buying anything from him, this is how he is doing business!

This message was sent from him, apparently before he got banned again from the forum, he sent it from the account "easysalesformula", his last account to got banned from the forum, look how he is talking like a moderator in the forum!!!

What a pathetic person!! does he expect anyone to believe this childish reaction???

For anyone trying to defend him, this is how "the top marketer" is thinking, I doubt this guy made it through the 2nd grade!!

Here's the private message he sent to me..and you judge!

"I want to make sure you read this:

BASH PEOPLE AND YOU WILL BE DELETED FROM THE FORUM We're starting to delete people who bash product creators directly. Calling them lairs, scum and so forth.

This place is for "intelligent" reviews of products. NOT personal Bashing.

I would suggest you run and delete anything you've posted that directly bashes product creators because when we find it you WILL be eliminated from this forum."

jasondinner · 07-09-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

So, basically, the one who prevented you from getting a chargeback is you?

By the way, define " a lot". You're required to fill out paperwork and communicate with the credit card companies for chargebacks in the U.S. too. They can't just let people call and say "I got ripped off, gimme my money" without some sort of validation of the claim. They don't want the merchant to get ripped off via false claims either, which does happen.

Sure, it could be the case. The rest of the world isn't subject to American law. But it's not likely the case. Even the op has restated his case. He DID in fact have the option to file a chargeback, but he gave up because he didn't want to fill out the paperwork. I guess he didn't get ripped off for very much.

For the first time ever (since my IM career began in 2005) I filed a chargeback against
another somewhat well known internet marketer and a fellow warrior.

I purchased something from him using my Debit Card but he only accepted paypal.

He didn't fulfill my order nor did he respond to any email correspondence asking him what was going on (which I know he got because he's using Gmail and I @replied him on twitter and sent him a DM)

So out of total frustration, I decide a chargeback was the only way to go.

So paypal told me the only way I can get my money back since the guy is not responding
is to call my card issuer (in my case it was my bank).

So I went to my local branch and filled out some paper work and will eventually
get my money back.

Was it worth all that time just to get $247 back?

In this case, I surely believe it was.

This punk who calls himself a marketer (not Keith, some other guy who's name starts with a "K") completely played me for a fool.

Now where I'm from, if anyone ever does that, they get dealt with a certain way
that would make them regret ever screwing with me in the first place.

But, unfortunately, I probably will never meet this guy in person and don't feel like
flying to his house and embarrassing him in front of his wife and kids.

So, I'll just let the bank handle it and will just avoid doing business with him in the future.

- Jason

B3n · 07-09-2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shopwebtools

i wonder why, ben? would there be any reason?

Not sure but he was first banned in June 2008 for trying to game the review forum in his favour. Basically there was a 5 page long thread full of complaints about his "Autopilot" product and Keith tried to bump it off the first page by creating a series of fake usernames and bumping over threads. His username then was "kwellman".

Next he created the "fxmarketing" username which was banned early this month for abusive behaviour (as far as I can tell).

Then he was banned under the "easysalesformula" username a couple of days ago, not sure why but probably for sending threatening PMs to myself and goldmind123.

Jason, please don't leave us in suspense, name names! Edit: Don't worry about this, found out who it was

elishahong · 07-09-2009, 03:48 PM

I saw the "Cached" version of this forum on Google where Keith posted in his defense.

It's easy to say bad things about someone than to compliment. Everyone make mistakes. I've had my share of it on the Warrior Forum, lots of strict moderators nowadays.

Let's just peace out. I bought the Easy Sales Formula and it does work only if you put effort to use it.

The price drop down technique is common among marketers but the truth is that the value of the product is real.

If you buy a product that is going to double your sales in the next few months, why not? The profits will pay for the product itself.

I've personally met Keith Wellman and he knows what he's talking about. But like any other human being, we all have our own shortcomings.

Forgiveness will heal things but the scar will remain.

Peace.

B3n · 07-10-2009, 07:59 AM

elishahong,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can't see what benefit you are getting from posting what you just posted.

It simply looks like sycophantic gibberish to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by elishahong

I saw the "Cached" version of this forum on Google where Keith posted in his defense.

What Keith actually said was something along the lines of "we tried the no-refunds approach and it didn't work".

He was referring to the Autopilot launch which was a complete disaster and resulted in a whole host of customers asking for a refund.

And despite what he said about "no-refund policy", there was a crystal clear policy which he mentioned in his sales video (which I had transcribed before he took it down):

"This is 100% no risk, money back guarantee. Try it out, use it, put it to the test. If you can’t make at least $3000 a month online within the first 60 days of applying this system just let us know what you did and we will either work with you until you are making that or we will refund 100% of your payment"

Quote:

Originally Posted by elishahong

It's easy to say bad things about someone than to compliment

Not sure I agree with this Ned Flandersish view of the world but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Speaking as someone who was completely ignored by Wellman and his staff (Geri, Ralph, Marc Horne and Hollis Carter) I can tell you absolutely that it is extremely difficult to get any type of customer service response from Wellman's company.

In fact, he completely ignored me until my report of dissatisfaction reached number 2 in Google for his name. In fact, it's still there now, pretty much and he hasn't resolved any of my issues, just sent me pathetic psuedo-legal threats and attempted bribes.

Sadly, not every customer with a complaint about Wellman can reach number 2 in Google for his name so they can't get his attention. His customer service certainly doesn't work like he claims it should.

You may well have met this person at a seminar but please don't preach to me about forgiveness until you've been at the wrong end of trying to get customer support from Keith Wellman and co.

elishahong · 07-10-2009, 11:15 AM

Hi Ben,

ouch..that hurts.

With respect, I sense how you feel about this matter.

I only post based on my personal experience, I have not had any trouble with his customer service so far.

With that said, Ben, you are entitled to your views as I am to mine.

We both have different experiences and may this thread serve as a reflection for both the pros and cons there is for FxMarketing.

If there is anything that can bring reconciliation, that would be the best.

I'm a preacher's kid..so that explains why I preach forgiveness

Take it easy bro.

Mukul Verma · 07-12-2009, 08:34 AM

I did purchase Easy Sales Formula, I have watched the videos, but not gone anywhere, based on non-action. No course will do anything, if you dont act. I am giving a non-bias opinion here, only facts from my experience. Also on his calls asked several questions and got them answers.

I have emailed justaskkieth support a 3 times now and twice I got a response withing the hour (Not from Keith, but a staff member of his). Maybe Kieth has learned from his experience like any logical business person should.

I personally find live calls are the best place to get any questions asked with any marketer.

I can only share my experience with response to his customer service.

Greg guitar · 07-17-2009, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Ben.

elishahong,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can't see what benefit you are getting from posting what you just posted.

It simply looks like sycophantic gibberish to me.

What Keith actually said was something along the lines of "we tried the no-refunds approach and it didn't work".

He was referring to the Autopilot launch which was a complete disaster and resulted in a whole host of customers asking for a refund.

And despite what he said about "no-refund policy", there was a crystal clear policy which he mentioned in his sales video (which I had transcribed before he took it down):

"This is 100% no risk, money back guarantee. Try it out, use it, put it to the test. If you can’t make at least $3000 a month online within the first 60 days of applying this system just let us know what you did and we will either work with you until you are making that or we will refund 100% of your payment"

Not sure I agree with this Ned Flandersish view of the world but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Speaking as someone who was completely ignored by Wellman and his staff (Geri, Ralph, Marc Horne and Hollis Carter) I can tell you absolutely that it is extremely difficult to get any type of customer service response from Wellman's company.

In fact, he completely ignored me until my report of dissatisfaction reached number 2 in Google for his name. In fact, it's still there now, pretty much and he hasn't resolved any of my issues, just sent me pathetic psuedo-legal threats and attempted bribes.

Sadly, not every customer with a complaint about Wellman can reach number 2 in Google for his name so they can't get his attention. His customer service certainly doesn't work like he claims it should.

You may well have met this person at a seminar but please don't preach to me about forgiveness until you've been at the wrong end of trying to get customer support from Keith Wellman and co.

You beat me to it, and my hat's off to you! I'm glad Keith Wellman is getting raked over the coals for his abuses (he deserves far worse), and appreciate everyone who spoke against him. But you're #1 in my book for launching the ripoff report, and getting it to #2 for Keith's name! I'm thinking about slapping up a blog or two myself, warning the "fresh meat" away from the creep.

"Ned Flanderish" indeed-LOL! It's actually much easier to suck up than complain, at least in the sense that nobody here will rag on you for praising a fellow marketer. On the other hand lots of warriors seem to have a knee jerk reaction against complainers, regardless of the cause. People who complain get accused of everything from jealousy, to screwing themselves, to stupidity, to mental illness, even when they got shafted big time.

On the subject of forgiveness; screw that! It's irrelevant, while the crook keeps the stolen money! It's not like I hate the guy anyway; but as long as he keeps my money, (that he publicly claims to have refunded) I will speak ill of him. I waited a year before joining the chorus of the disgruntled. I think that's ample time for him to make things right. It's funny; he and his staff completely ignored me the entire time, until I spoke out on the forum here: Need a bit of help please.

As far as I'm concerned it's great that he got kicked off the forum, but real justice would mean putting him behind bars, and dividing up his estate among those he's fleeced. At the very least, he should be barred from ever selling anything to anybody online for the rest of his life. Doing business with strangers across the digital landscape ought to be a revocable priviledge which you lose after clearly abusing many customers.

Those warriors that have no stomach for controversy should recognize that in cases like this, the cause of the problem is the abuser, not the complaints of his victoms.

Greg guitar · 07-17-2009, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Ben.

Keith, I'm no idiot and I wouldn't say it if I didn't have the proof to back up my claims.

When I finally got your attention you made up some very silly excuses and wild accusations about certain members of your staff. When I checked with them I found the claims to be, let's just say, not quite true.

Do you want me to go into details?

I don't know or care what Keith wants, but in the interest of warning others, I think a full disclosure of all his lies and misdeeds is appropriate (if anyone has time to read such a ginormous list!) In other words, bring on the details. Those warriors that are afraid of any negative information can go to a positive thinking thread instead.

stephan231 · 07-26-2009, 03:50 AM

It is i think repeating of the same info but i also recommend you make a reach on it before purchase!

gotteeth · 07-28-2009, 11:08 AM

I was looking for the Well Man!

I ended up here...

Can I get a Gin & Tonic, with a couple olives?

Cheers!

tdh1969 · 10-29-2009, 05:30 PM

go into details.....please

07-05-2009, 08:20 PM	#51
jeanmarie HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: , , USA. Posts: 127 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think? Be careful when you buy something from him because he usually has a nonrefundable disclosure--in very small print--. It took me months of emailing him and working with my cc company to get my money back Jeanmarie
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07-06-2009, 09:03 AM	#53
Mitch Miller The BS Detector Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think? honesty won't sell their crap though.

07-09-2009, 08:21 AM	#54
JeanetteatBeach Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? Is it cookie stuffing?? In Wellman's sales videos, he said his approach of dropping the cookie was not illegal with clickbank - that somehow he found a way around the issue. My question is simple - is his approach cookie stuffing or not? We can each decide whether we want to risk being caught by clickbank, but I would just like to know if Wellman found a way around the label of "cookie stuffing" - Appreciate any comments.

07-09-2009, 10:10 AM	#55
A Bary AKA as Goldmind123 :) War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 814 Thanks: 144 Thanked 134 Times in 100 Posts Contact Info	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think? This is K. Wellman way of thinking, this is for everyone who considers buying anything from him, this is how he is doing business! This message was sent from him, apparently before he got banned again from the forum, he sent it from the account "easysalesformula", his last account to got banned from the forum, look how he is talking like a moderator in the forum!!! What a pathetic person!! does he expect anyone to believe this childish reaction??? For anyone trying to defend him, this is how "the top marketer" is thinking, I doubt this guy made it through the 2nd grade!! Here's the private message he sent to me..and you judge! "I want to make sure you read this: BASH PEOPLE AND YOU WILL BE DELETED FROM THE FORUM We're starting to delete people who bash product creators directly. Calling them lairs, scum and so forth. This place is for "intelligent" reviews of products. NOT personal Bashing. I would suggest you run and delete anything you've posted that directly bashes product creators because when we find it you WILL be eliminated from this forum."

07-09-2009, 03:48 PM	#58
elishahong ElishaHong.com War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: O.K City,USA Posts: 78 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think? I saw the "Cached" version of this forum on Google where Keith posted in his defense. It's easy to say bad things about someone than to compliment. Everyone make mistakes. I've had my share of it on the Warrior Forum, lots of strict moderators nowadays. Let's just peace out. I bought the Easy Sales Formula and it does work only if you put effort to use it. The price drop down technique is common among marketers but the truth is that the value of the product is real. If you buy a product that is going to double your sales in the next few months, why not? The profits will pay for the product itself. I've personally met Keith Wellman and he knows what he's talking about. But like any other human being, we all have our own shortcomings. Forgiveness will heal things but the scar will remain. Peace.
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07-10-2009, 11:15 AM	#60
elishahong ElishaHong.com War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: O.K City,USA Posts: 78 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think? Hi Ben, ouch..that hurts. With respect, I sense how you feel about this matter. I only post based on my personal experience, I have not had any trouble with his customer service so far. With that said, Ben, you are entitled to your views as I am to mine. We both have different experiences and may this thread serve as a reflection for both the pros and cons there is for FxMarketing. If there is anything that can bring reconciliation, that would be the best. I'm a preacher's kid..so that explains why I preach forgiveness Take it easy bro.
	I Made $385.20 Profit In 2 Days With Keith's Easy Sales Formula and $2500 In Sales In 3 Weeks Shortly - Click Here To Find Out How & Proof

07-12-2009, 08:34 AM	#61
Mukul Verma Hangin out at WF is Work War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 1,984 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 288 Thanked 271 Times in 178 Posts Social Networking	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think? I did purchase Easy Sales Formula, I have watched the videos, but not gone anywhere, based on non-action. No course will do anything, if you dont act. I am giving a non-bias opinion here, only facts from my experience. Also on his calls asked several questions and got them answers. I have emailed justaskkieth support a 3 times now and twice I got a response withing the hour (Not from Keith, but a staff member of his). Maybe Kieth has learned from his experience like any logical business person should. I personally find live calls are the best place to get any questions asked with any marketer. I can only share my experience with response to his customer service.
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07-26-2009, 03:50 AM	#64
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10-29-2009, 05:30 PM	#66
tdh1969 Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Easy Sales Video Course? What do you think? go into details.....please