Rick Wagoner

Anyone bought Keith Wellman's course? Any opinions out there?

Rick Wagoner

Sorry, I said "Easy Sales Video" instead of "Easy Sales Formula".

A Bary

Hello

It's a product from Keith Wellman.

Anything has Keith Wellman's name on it I just consider it a big red flag, stay away from this guy and whatever he offers, he never offers anything valuable or worthy..
Ahmed

Learnanew

Really? When I watched that video I was completely wowed, the concept of doing a video and then linking straight to the checkout after completely wowed the crap out of me, never thought of doing that at all, it's gonna change the way people promote CB via PPC for sure.

His methods might be a bit black-hat (Cookie Stuffing when they come to your video page) but if I was able to learn all of that from the free video, I can't imagine what the actual course will be like.

I'll stand by until I see some reviews of people who have bought it, but it looks pretty good to me.

Mitch Miller

Why is that such a ground breaking concept? People have been doing that for quite some time, and this will really "wow" you.... you don't need to drop five bills to learn how to do it.

What does it say when a guy drops his price by 75% an hour and a half into his launch? I think you might find that strategy in his "desperation marketing" module.

Anybody that is thinking about spending a dime with this guy should search the forum for the thread involving his last product.

Mickswebsites

I have to say i agree that his original video he posted was pretty impressive, and judging by the fact that I had only picked it up after seeing it in the Alexa top 5 for that day, an awful lot of people must have seen it.

Then... the next thing i know is that a week later my inbox is being bombarded with affiliate promo crap from all over the place trying to get me to sub out to watch his latest video.

I'm wondering if maybe the success of the original video surprised even Keith and so now he's pulled it and trying to rope people into paying to watch it, via his affiliate network?

Regardless of his tactics i bet his optin list from that video went ballistic!

B3n

Agree with goldmind123 100%.

Do a Google search for the name Keith Wellman. On the first page are several reports of his extremely poor attitude, dubious product quality and seriously lacking customer service. Ripoffreport.com is a great place to go after that, just search for Wellman's name on there.

Mitch Miller

I had watched the video where you explained why you lowered the price, and I didn't buy it.

B3n

Apart from the problem I have with this post - I don't actually believe that Keith is writing it, the spelling is correct and the poster is keeping calm - I have real problems in believing anything that Keith says.

I caught him out lying several times to me via email - really silly lies - when he could've just said sorry and provided what he promised.

Keith, how is it that "hundreds" of people can reach you just before launch but there were countless people who had to resort to complaining on this forum because you or your staff ignored their pleas for help shortly after that "autopilot" fiasco? And these were pleas they sent through your customer service website.

Do you remember that particular post Keith? It was the one which led to your banning from this forum.

And ripoffreport can't be THAT wrong. 16 people saying exactly the same thing about the service they received from you. I can't remember seeing any other "big names" in the IM industry with that many complaints.

Let's just hope your big SEO effort pays off for you and you can force those reports and reviews of your terrible service and dubious products off the first page of Google.

I've spoken to people at offline events about you and it's never good. Stunningly, many have been treated even worse than me when they dealt with you.

Bigdadda

The Easy Sales Forumula model seems remarkably unremarkable. It's pretty standard fare that isn't worth anything near $500.

Jesse Kemmerer

Didn't that guy from Bullet Cash Method use it when he launched? I
could be mistaken, however.

Either way. This is the review section, so people are entitled to their
opinion.

...But isn't it a little hard to bash a course that you yourself have not
personally reviewed? To me, it just seems like people are giving bad
reviews to the course based on assumptions and past purchased
records.


All the best,

Jesse Kemmerer
kemmerer.j@gmail.com

Bigdadda

Fair point. I'm commenting based on the information contained in the free videos, etc. that Wellman published. Assuming that's the model, there's nothing that warrants a $500 price tag. That's my opinion.

BTW, I googled Keith Wellman and checked out the complaints in several of the listings. Wow, there are some brutal stories there.

Mitch Miller

LOL- Keith, have you thought about a pen name?

B3n

Keith, I'm no idiot and I wouldn't say it if I didn't have the proof to back up my claims.

When I finally got your attention you made up some very silly excuses and wild accusations about certain members of your staff. When I checked with them I found the claims to be, let's just say, not quite true.

Do you want me to go into details?

Good News Now

I am not in any sense affiliate or promoting this product. I did not get it. I am busy with my personal IM projects.

But honestly, the concept video that Keith freely presented was terrific.

Try to Google and you won't find anything close to this concept.

Again, as far as the product I did not get and I can’t comment on it.

Vadimus

A Bary

I can't believe this..

How this guy is showing up again in this forum??

Wasn't he BANNED from this forum?? what happened for this to change??

And for Keith, you really don't deserve a response for what you're saying..but for those who don't know you..they must be informed that you're just a scammer who scammed hundreds of people (not few customers as you claim) and run with their money(I still keep emails received from you and your stuff clearly refusing to refund my money that I paid for Autopilot garbage).

How on earth you dare to show up again and talk as a legit marketer?

I'm really pissed off

For everyone, the problem with this guy wasn't about a bad product he introduced, many marketers may pass through this, but the problem was his behavior towards the complaints, he never respected his money back guarantee, didn't respect the refund request while he absolutely knew his product didn't worth a dime...

Keep away from him..

And for the WF moderators, I (among most of the forum members) treat this forum as our community, so please respect us this time, I posted before warning people from this guy but you just deleted my posts, and I understood this then, but now as he got the chance to show up again, I and everyone else scammed by him must got the same chance to clarify his claims...

Ahmed

Lifechanging

Wow, things have got pretty heated in here! Clearly some people are still p***ed about an older product, and I don't blame you for that.

However, my view is... and I'll leave my views on what I see as vastly inflated profits in the sales video out of it for now...

The concept is good, albeit not unique, it is moving into an area that clearly google is big in. Video is the way forward. Pick a keyword and search for it... I often see terrible videos in the top 3, out ranking sites with excellent PR, backlinks, etc. People put all this effort into SEO and then get out ranked by a crappy YouTube video.

However YouTube isn't geared up for sales (e.g. your own) and this where this product comes in.

I don't agree that he dropped his price 1.5 hours in, I'd say it was 2 days before. I think the high value was a ploy... it made it seem cheap at $497 (or that was the intention).

Now here's a thing, Harris Felman has backed this all the way and the guy doesn't do that so much these days. He has put his name on the line for this one, u think he'd do that if he didn't rate the product and / or Wellman?

I'm tempted to give it a go, whats the worst that can happen? If I try it and its not any good I'll ask for a refund. If Wellman doesn't honor it, I raise it with the creditcard company, where is the risk?

Mitch Miller "The BS Detector", joined June 2009, 20 posts? You don't talk or seem like a noob, got an axe to grind? Rival product maybe? Just saying...

Mitch Miller

No axe to grind here. Just calling it like I see it. What's the harm you ask? The harm is bad marketers giving the rest of us a bad rep. Once people are burned they are much less likely to purchase again. Most don't take the position that you do.

As far as me being a newbie, I am not sure what gave you that impression? A forum join date? Post count? Where is the logic in that?

As far as your Harris comment, he has been a part of this circle for a long time as well. What do you expect him to say? He is a guy that put up a video talking about how he went into a state of depression because he couldn't come up with his next product launch. My question on that was why not just do the things you are teaching others to do? Can't you just make money from that? Maybe it was because he wasn't doing the stuff he taught?

I have no axe to grind. I do very well for myself. I just get sick and tired of these guys coming out with launch after launch of over priced, recycled crap. When are people going to get a clue?
Send them an email. I'll be shocked if you get a response. Try to get some customer support after the sale. It won't happen because they don't give two ****s about you. They are already moving towards the next launch. You are a number.

There are so many legitimate marketers/teachers out there that really care if you make it. Unfortunately most of them refuse to deal in this sensationalism and over hyping (fraud) of their products. and they therefore don't achieve the high profile that some of these other guys do. Let's face it, most people are looking for the magic button that does not exist. These guys know it doesn't exist as well. But they are perfectly willing to package up their bull**** in such a way that it appears as that magic bullet and they are more than willing to sell that dream to the starry eyed newbie.

Am I out to save the newbs? No I am afraid that most of them can't be saved from themselves. But this guy here has a lot of balls to come in here like this after what he pulled the last round. Many people kiss their ass in hopes that someday, maybe just someday they will give them that JV that will send them to guruland themselves. I don't.

As far as his price drop being two days ahead of launch that can easily be disproven as the videos he had up were all stating the 2g price tag right through to the launch.

Good News Now

Yes, good ponts...This bothers me too when I see so called “Guru’s" claim their huge profits and how super rich they are and when it comes to the product they seem like overcharging those desperate newbies who are trying to make some money online.

I see that many times those sale tricks and content value of the product is SO exaggerated.

AskShawn

I will put my unbiased 2cents in...

I have not bought any product from Keith Wellman yet. Not because of any bad experience but because I just never got around to doing it.

Now Keith! - You are a grown ass man so you have to make a decision of what you are going to do. And just like I said it's just my 2cents. But something needs to be done because this issue is causing too much controversy and drama (the bad type) BAD BLOOD!

What I would do with this product is just plum drop the price to $77 or $97. Go ahead and break even on this one.. Or in comparison to what you would like to charge ($1997) just go ahead and take a loss.

The problem here its that you got people who may have legitimate complaints. You have people here who may haters (the jealous ones) and you have people that are SCARED TO DEATH and don't know what to think

Regardless, We are all marketers here trying to make a living off of products, services, knowledge and skills that we feel passionate about.

All this negative publicity is not good for business... IMHO it hurts the game..

Keith! I would just drop the price. Don't change the product or take anything out. Just drop the price and make this product the lowest cost and best product you ever made...

On your next product charge people the price you want- $1997 - $4,997. Whatever you want to charge. This way you can end all this drama..

If you do this the way I suggest - you will be fine! People can be very forgiving when the "Leader Is Humble" Then again! Just my 2cents..

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konradbraun

I very much agree... or at least go back and settle your previous issues with a tenfold repayment. Sure you don't have to, but like you said, you are making all this money online, its time to get your name cleared if product creation is something you want to continue doing.

I am no one to speak, but just looking out for you Keith. The virtue of wealth doesn't go past the grave, the legacy however does, and do what it takes... humble yourself and clear up your errors and I am sure you can turn a not so happy customer in to someone giving you a positive review.

Again... sometimes you gotta do what it takes!

Best of luck with the launch otherwise!

pixguy

What I would like to know is...
Clickbank specifically says that if you use Iframes promoting there products... you will get banned.
Keith can you comment on this? and why you are promoting using Iframes?

Barry

So, is there anyone out there who can give an honest
assessment of the product?

It really does look like an interesting, and if the conversion
numbers are true, a great way to promote any product.

My concern is that when the hordes of people buy this
product that you will see this style of marketing all over
and you most likely see a tremendous drop in efficiency
of the method.

Just my thoughts.

BTW, I was recently scammed by some internet "guru's"
and got a full refund.

Barry

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Nathan Denton

might side step this one aswell....good presell videos though (the strategy, not so much the bowling or golf scenes)

pixguy

Any comment?

blogsy

I think video sales promotions work ... for now ... but I think people are quickly going to get very sick of slow loading videos that you don't know how long they are, that can't be paused, that end up saying not $5000.00, not $1997.00, not even $1200.00 Bla Bla Bla, come on, are buyers that going to continually get sucked in by that crap, I guess time will tell.

My guess that after a while as soon as a sales pitch starts out this way, people will click out. But a lot of money will still be made from the unwary, as always.

Amanda_Davis

The course is good content. It's very step-by-step.

I've used portions of it for a few weeks in my (non-IM) niches and have seen improvements from 50% increase to nearly 500% increase.

About people getting sick of videos... it's the same as any "IM trick" ... people always say that it won't work because people are sick of it already.

But that only applies to the IM niche. If you're in any other niche (which you should be) then it works fine.

If you use the "bad news" subject line outside IM, it works great.

People are already used to the sales videos in IM - and they don't work as well - but outside IM visitors have never seen anything like it.

Amanda_Davis

Also, about a refund... I never understand what the problem is with getting a refund from ANYONE.

Take a print out of the page clearly explaining the "unconditional guarantee"

If you REALLY think the product is not worth the money then put in a refund request. Give them a few weeks to sort it out (this is important, because things are hectic after a launch)

If you don't get it, go to your credit card company.

blogsy

Good point, I must admit I was refering to the IM sellers that drive us all crazy ... the rest of the market is more important for most of us and it's huge.

DaveDunn

What about the cookie stuffing using iframes being against clickbanks TOS?

I dont see ANY response to this.

Come on WELLMAN answer this one. It was conveniently ignored when someone asked this on your website.

Anyone else care to answer?

ndcllc

Assuming that Iframe penalty being a huge issue, then why bother to Ifame the
Salespage? Just make a salesvideo with a freeware in powerpoint etc., voice the
salespage in segments in the video, then put that in a simple landing page wrapped
with key words, few key-bullet point texts and redirect CalltoAction to the destination target. May be spilt test in 2 different L/page..you got an videoskin alternative solution
without being worried about the Search engines rejection issue.
BTW, an effective way to deal with refund is to notify your CreditCard Co., post request
of refund request from the vendor.

Amanda_Davis

surely the cookie stuffing is up to you? Do it if you want, or don't do it. It's your choice.

DaveDunn

Hey ndcllc thanks for the info...

the method keith outlines is creating a video presentation using the sales page copy, then using an iframe to load the cookie and directly linking to the clickbank order page, bypassing the vendor sales page entirely.

just that iframe and cookie stuffing could screw my comissions....unless clickbank turn a blind eye to this kind of thing? maybe they do but i'm not sure i want to spend time finding out...

DaveDunn

hey amanda, I have no experience with this cookie stuffing, so do clickbank act on it? am i concering myself over nothing?

dblgdee

A very well known IM sent me a link to this
When I got to the page, there is a 15 min video selling how great the product is, however it says it's sold out but you can opt in to the waiting list?

Is it worth the wait?

Show off your website
shorten long ugly links

Amanda_Davis

It closed last night.

It's a good product - worth adding your email to the list to get info on it re-opening - doesn't commit you to anything. Don't know what price it will be next time around though.

Mandy Allen

I'm glad I joined WF - this is the sscond IM I have learned to avoid. Thanks guys.

Enjoy the journey.

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Mukul Verma

On Keith Live Day or one video he did address ths iframes and he said that it is against clickbank policy to use the whole page, however you can use the link (something along these lines).

I got the course, started watching it, will watch all first round today.

KEITH....Since everyone giving suggest, here is mine. The ones who are haters or bad experience will NEVER buy from you so instead of a low price drop. Say sorry about the first bad experience (your fault or not, be humble), give them a copy for FREE of Easy Sales Formula (they were not gonna buy) and that way they can review with the hope to turn around there experience with you. If this product is confidently good, they will likely turn around. Now I would not do it for people who complain now just to get it free, but the free who seem to have upset.

I did google it and I did read the complaints, so I purchased it knowing that if the only customer service are on the webinars, I would be okay with that. I am a believe that success comes more from the person purchasing taking action and learning, then the seller of the course. Wish me luck!!!!

A Bary

And what about adding another option: the customer lives outside U.S. and requesting a charge back from cc company is impossible because it involves overseas operation that the cc companies in some countries don't simply offer?

Please, don't judge others without knowing the full circumcstances

ExRat

Hi,

And what about adding another option: the customer buys through paypal using direct bank withdrawal rather than a credit card?

Or the buyer uses paypal, has 1 pence left in their account balance, this is used and the credit card is used to top up the amount, meaning that the credit card company cannot do a chargeback because the full amount of the purchase was not charged to the credit card?

I wonder who Amanda_Davis actually is? 'She' appears in a lot of threads in this part of the forum, giving positive reviews on 'certain types' of products.

malcasid

What do you mean by she reviews 'certain types' of products?

ExRat

Hi Malcasid,

I mean certain peoples' products.

Hi Nathan,

Unless something has changed this is untrue. I've done a chargeback of this nature. I've also seen the credit card company reverse transactions because a purchase was made fraudulently on my card by a 3rd party from a US seller.

A Bary

I didn't generalize it on all countries outside U.S., I currently reside in the middle east, and in these countries, online purchases and transactions are rare, that's why it' very hard to contact CC and request a charge back, for instance, Visa and Mastercard providing their services through local banks only, i.e. no Visa or Mastercard office to contact, you have to contact the local bank for any issue regarding your CC, and when I contacted the issuing bank requesting a chargeback, the bank representative made it a very hard procedure, andalot of paperwork and communications that I decided to give up.

It's about the "Trend" and "attitude" of the local banks more than being a legal or documentation problem.

That's why online purchases from some countries is a risk you take full responsibility of, and that's why it is very difficult and bitter to got scammed by someone you trusted.

Black Hat Cat

So, basically, the one who prevented you from getting a chargeback is you?

By the way, define " a lot". You're required to fill out paperwork and communicate with the credit card companies for chargebacks in the U.S. too. They can't just let people call and say "I got ripped off, gimme my money" without some sort of validation of the claim. They don't want the merchant to get ripped off via false claims either, which does happen.

Sure, it could be the case. The rest of the world isn't subject to American law. But it's not likely the case. Even the op has restated his case. He DID in fact have the option to file a chargeback, but he gave up because he didn't want to fill out the paperwork. I guess he didn't get ripped off for very much.

B3n

Looks like Keith Wellman has been banned from the Warrior Forum for the second time. That's why all his posts have disappeared from this thread.

Amanda_Davis

Well obviously you shouldn't do that. No need to make things difficult for yourself.

You get a lot less protection if you use a UK debit card, too, so I'd recommend you don't do that either.

Amanda_Davis

Right, so that's the actual problem. You couldn't be bothered to follow the procedure. Of course there should be paperwork to fill out.

Some people just take NO responsibility for their own actions

If it's too difficult to get your money back if you've been scammed - get a different credit card.

Amanda_Davis

I plan product launches and review all the major IM product launches - that's why I'm often in the 'review' forum.

Ram

The pre-launch video looked pretty good.

However. ... I have bought a couple of Keith's products in the past. I have used his customer service since there were problems with actually getting access to them. All I will say is that based on my customer service experience with Keith's company, I will not be buying from him again.

ExRat

Hi 'Amanda',

For yourself? Or for anyone else? If the latter, any of the people who's products have been reviewed here? For the sake of the users of the forum, I'm just trying to establish if you have any vested interest or bias.

Also, your avatar - is that you or a stock image?