Restricting Purchasers By State

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I've searched the Google machine. I've searched the forum. My question is does anyone know a method where I can exclude purchasers either within a shopping cart or a payment processor by a specified state? Do you know a shopping cart or gateway provider who makes that easy?

I don't want to accept purchases from my home state so that there can be no doubt I am compliant with a law that only impacts purchasers in my state. It's a unique situation, but not entirely unique. There are plenty of products that are illegal in some states while legal in others, so while my reason for needing the feature is unique to me, there are plenty of other reasons to need the feature. Tommy Chong is living proof of that, so I'm wondering is there an app for that?

It's not a physical good, so restricting shipping isn't going to work. Anyone, anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Let me ask you . . . why is it your responsibility to restrict sales?

    My feeling is - you give unmistakeable notice on your site that sales are restricted to a certain group of states and prohibited for customers in other states. Make it blatantly obvious on your web site and let the consumer know that the responsibility is his to comply.

    An example. Certain types of fireworks are prohibited in my state. However, they are legal and can be purchased in a neighboring state. Is it the fireworks seller that is responsible to police individual residency of those that buy from them? No, they will sell to anyone that comes to their state.

    You make it abundantly clear who your product is for and let the consumer know it is his responsibility to comply.

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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Let me ask you . . . why is it your responsibility to restrict sales?
      As he mentioned the Tommy Chong case, I am assuming he is worried about selling something illegal in a certain state.

      Tommy Chong sold bongs and drug paraphernalia on his web site. In most places selling drug accessories is not illegal, only the drugs themselves.

      But Chong had customers in states where selling drug paraphernalia was illegal so he was charged with selling an illegal product because he sold to people in that state.

      In Chong's case it was physical products, so he could control the shipping.

      I don't know what the liability is for digital products.

      You could block access to the site from people in areas you cannot sell. There are ways of doing this. Many set it up to block spam traffic from certain countries like Russia and China.

      You need to know the range of IP addresses from the state so you can block them. People could also use a Proxy Server.

      I am not a lawyer, but you could have a check-box on the order form that says: "I certify that I do not live in the state of A, B or C"

      Since you cannot control downloads, the user must certify they comply with your stated terms. If you get customers from banned states it would be through a fraudulent act and misrepresentation on the customer's part.

      But if you had serious liability concerns, I would run that method past a lawyer before relying on it.

      Mahlon
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Let me ask you . . . why is it your responsibility to restrict sales?

      My feeling is - you give unmistakeable notice on your site that sales are restricted to a certain group of states and prohibited for customers in other states. Make it blatantly obvious on your web site and let the consumer know that the responsibility is his to comply.

      An example. Certain types of fireworks are prohibited in my state. However, they are legal and can be purchased in a neighboring state. Is it the fireworks seller that is responsible to police individual residency of those that buy from them? No, they will sell to anyone that comes to their state.

      You make it abundantly clear who your product is for and let the consumer know it is his responsibility to comply.

      Steve
      Laws prohibiting the sale of items must be complied with at the merchant level. In plain english: If it's illegal to sell something, sellers can't sell it.

      The internet has complicated matters in that the point of sale (the buyer sitting at their computer) may be in a jurisdiction where an item is illegal and the seller outside of that jurisdiction. In those cases, the seller is putting himself at risk of criminal legal action in the buyer's jurisdiction.

      The example of buying fireworks over state lines and then bringing them home where they are illegal is different since they were legal at the point of sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    If you're looking for a one-size-fits-all app/extension that works with every single shopping cart and every single payment processor, I think you're going to be disappointed. Maybe if you mentioned that you were say using Magento/Stripe or osCommerce/Paypal you'd get better results.

    Regardless, even if what you're looking for doesn't exist on your platform of choice, I'm guessing that coding up what you're looking for would be trivial. And Steve's solution above might be the easiest of all!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketguy
    I would seriously talk with a lawyer who specializes in this field. That is the only place I would get advice on a topic that could affect your future in business, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Marc Emery spent years in a U.S. prison for sending marijuana seeds to customers in the U.S. ordered from his website in Canada.

    He was just released earlier this year.

    Depending what you peddle, you can get in serious trouble.
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