Help (question) - Re how poeple build lists using clickbank and offering 100% commission

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Hi Warriors and thanks for for time to help;

The title pretty much asks my question (I hate it when people write vague titles - i want people to know what they're opening from my titles).

So what I want to know is this:

I hear people saying a great way to build a list is to have a product on clickbank and offer your affiliate 100% commission.

Since I'm new to the whole IM thing, can you explain (in newbie terms) how that works? Who's e-mails are you collecting and how?

Does it work because (hopefully) the 100% commision attracts a lot of resellers who then drive traffic to your (is it opt in page) site where you sell your product and then you get all the buyer's e-mail address'?
I'm guessing at this stage I'd need something like Aweber to handle the e-mails?
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  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
    Hi Marc,

    100% commission is very tempting for anyone to help you market your product....
    and this motivates the marketers to promote the product again and again
    sending tons of traffic to the sales page....

    and to get the bought product, the buyer must opt in before accessing the download
    page of the product.

    Hope this helps,
    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Stamper
    It can be a good way to build a list. However affiliates do look at more than just commission rate.

    Affiliates, especially the heavy hitters, tend to look at how much they make (on average) per visitor they send. So a 50% commission and a 4% conversion rate is better than a 100% commission and a 1% conversion rate. However, a 100% commission will attract some attention.

    One problem is this... CB limits the affiliate payout to 75% so you are responsible for sending the affiliate the extra 25%. So now you are responsible for collecting tax info from the affiliate and sending out 1099s to US affiliates.

    And don't forget... it's against ClickBank's TOS to require buyers to opt-in to a list before getting their product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc Jager
      jhongren - Thanks for explaining

      Originally Posted by Scott Stamper View Post

      It can be a good way to build a list. However affiliates do look at more than just commission rate.

      Affiliates, especially the heavy hitters, tend to look at how much they make (on average) per visitor they send. So a 50% commission and a 4% conversion rate is better than a 100% commission and a 1% conversion rate. However, a 100% commission will attract some attention.

      One problem is this... CB limits the affiliate payout to 75% so you are responsible for sending the affiliate the extra 25%. So now you are responsible for collecting tax info from the affiliate and sending out 1099s to US affiliates.

      And don't forget... it's against ClickBank's TOS to require buyers to opt-in to a list before getting their product.
      Woah - Didn't know that! Thanks - Guess I have more to learn than I first thought! (About no opt-in before getting their product or about the 75% being max commission.)

      Srikanth D - Thanks to you too for explaining - Not sure what you meant by 'You can instead do it with a paypal script....

      bluenetworx - Thanks - Good alternatives to the original idea!
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      • Profile picture of the author Srikanth D
        Originally Posted by Marc Jager View Post

        Srikanth D - Thanks to you too for explaining - Not sure what you meant by 'You can instead do it with a paypal script....
        Since ClickBank doesn't support 100% commissions to affiliates, I was just trying to suggest an alternative. Instead of registering your product with clickbank, you can run an in-house affiliate program. There is a Paypal script for that.

        Affiliates can sign up with their Paypal Id. Any sale they make, the commissions directly go into their Paypal account(with which they register as affiliate). This prevents you the hazzles of sending commissions manually. I was trying to tell you abt this Paypal script only..
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        • Profile picture of the author mikeyman120
          Originally Posted by Scott Stamper View Post

          And don't forget... it's against ClickBank's TOS to require buyers to opt-in to a list before getting their product.
          I've seen a few clickbank sites that do require you to opt in before getting to the download page. I didn't know you couldn't do that.

          Mike
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          • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
            Originally Posted by Scott Stamper View Post

            And don't forget... it's against ClickBank's TOS to require buyers to opt-in to a list before getting their product.
            I don't think so.

            See
            Sell Online: Get Started Selling - ClickBank
            "You Page must include the following information: ...
            Clear instructions on how to download or access the product, or information
            on how and when it will be delivered to them"


            and

            Vendor and Products Requirements Policy - ClickBank
            "All Products must be original or otherwise appropriately licensed and non-infringing content that is digitally delivered (via web pages, downloadable files, or email) within 24 hours of purchase."
            So it does not specifically say that an optin form is forbidden.

            Harvey


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            • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
              Harvey,

              You are correct that an optin form is not forbidden. In fact an optin form on the download page is a good thing!

              However, what I believe is against the TOS is to have a squeeze page between the order form and the thank you page - in other words, you can't make giving an email address a requirement for getting access to the product they've just bought.

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              • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

                Harvey,

                You are correct that an optin form is not forbidden. In fact an optin form on the download page is a good thing!

                However, what I believe is against the TOS is to have a squeeze page between the order form and the thank you page - in other words, you can't make giving an email address a requirement for getting access to the product they've just bought.

                Martin
                Yup. Best thing to do is put the opt-in form in between (as done with $7 Secrets script) but also provide a bypass link for those who don't want to sign up. That keeps PayPal and customers happy.
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              • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
                Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

                Harvey,

                You are correct that an optin form is not forbidden. In fact an optin form on the download page is a good thing!

                However, what I believe is against the TOS is to have a squeeze page between the order form and the thank you page - in other words, you can't make giving an email address a requirement for getting access to the product they've just bought.

                Martin
                Although this may be the case, I've seen a number of marketers (some heavy hitters)
                use the forced opt-in after purchase and have been doing so for years.

                Not gonna name any names because that's not important.

                But I've seen it on a number of occasions.

                -Jason
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                • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
                  Here is the definitive answer - from ClickBank's Product Management team

                  "With regards to optin forms on the Thank You page I would say that they
                  are definitely acceptable, but that the rest of our requirements must also
                  be present:

                  1. A valid, clearly displayed email address where customers can reach you
                  if they require technical support for your product, as ClickBank does not
                  provide technical support.

                  2. A reminder to the customer that his or her credit card or bank
                  statement will show a charge by ClickBank or CLKBANK*COM, rather than a
                  reference to your specific product. This reminder should be prominent, as
                  customers sometimes request refunds because they forget that ClickBank is
                  handling the purchase.

                  3. For a recurring billing product, a restatement of the rebill schedule.

                  4. Clear instructions on how to download or access the product, or
                  information on how and when it will be delivered to them."



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  • Profile picture of the author Srikanth D
    Its like this:

    You build a product, get your affiliate section ready and sit.
    Since its 100% commission, affiliates will flood you with sales. You can force the people to opt in as mentioned in the above post.

    Now, you have a "List of people who actually purchased a product". That is gold my friend. If they have purchased one, they are more likely to purchase another. Here you chip in. You email them about the upgraded version of the product or something related. Now, this email will make you money. All the purchase here will go into your pocket.

    Affiliates happy+You happy.. win-win
    and if the product is good, customer happy-->more purchases on every mail u send-->

    edit: Ya the above post abt clickbank is true. You can instead do it with paypal script.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluenetworx
    hmmm...that is definately an option for you Marc, but could be a slight headache with Clickbank like Scott said. There are other options for you:

    1.) If this is a good quality product then you could give it away for free and use it as lead bait. People get it but must sign in. This only works well if the product is actually really good. Check out what Mark Ling does with Affilorama. Bottom line is that people tell people when they score something of quality for free.

    2.) You could approach other product owners in your niche and ask if they will put your product in their members area as a bonus (again quality matters and this tends to work better once you have made a few sales for them)

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    With 100% commission, you get:
    1) Super affiliates who will promote your products
    2) To build your list faster
    3) To sell your multiple OTOs
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    The RAP script, or the $7 Selling one will both allow you to give 100% to affiliates, without any need for you to collect tax data from them (in both cases the customer pays the affilaite directly, so you don't collect the money).

    Also, both systems allow you to put the download link behind a squeeze form. That's the whole point of them.

    What has been said about CLickBank earlier is correct - their maximum affiliate commission rate is 75%. However, it isn't completely correct that you can't use a squeeze page with them. Their TOS prevents you from making the download of the product dependent on the customer giving their email address, but there is nothing to stop you asking for it on the download page.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Anderson
    hi Harvey.
    cleared up my head halfway. i am in the same predicament.
    why can i not offer the affiliate 100% com?
    well naturally less your percentage.
    and a bit to feed the office cat.
    rob
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by Rob Anderson View Post

      why can i not offer the affiliate 100% com?
      Because, as Scott pointed out above, the maximum commission
      allowed by ClickBank is 75%

      Harvey
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    The goal here is to collect e-mails of BUYERS. The product typically will address a specific need that the prospect is currently experiencing with the later chance of offering a more expensive product that compliments the first product.

    For example: you create a $7 report on how to build a blogger blog and start making money with Adsense. You offer 100% commission. You sell products, pay out the commission, and you've got the buyers e-mail address. Then you will start offering products on how to increase his Adsense earnings and price it at $17; next you will offer a product on traffic generating strategies and price it at $27; next you will introduce a product on affiliate marketing at $47; next could be product on how to make lots of sales by using Adwords and price it at $67; next you will offer a membership with videos and charge monthly fee; then you can offer a traininig seminar and price it at $2,500 etc.

    This is of course a generalized example, but you get the idea.

    I don't fall for products that offer to pay 100% commission. I prefer selecting products that have high conversion rate. What's the point to offer a product that pays 100% commission if it doesn't convert?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    I think this has already been answered in good detail, but I just wanted to add that I sell an adwords course on clickbank and the delivery method is via email

    ... which means, people MUST give their email address in order to receive the product. This is a good way of ensuring you capture to your list
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