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Business Idea - Could Use Some Input

by nik0 Banned
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Real basicly the plan is like this:


NICHE SELECTION

In the last 12 months I've build near 30 Amazon affiliate sites in complete different niches so I have a good grasp of what converts well and what doesn't. The main niches are based on that, there is only one niche I'm a bit doubtful about and that's music, and then specifically musical instruments. I might skip out on that. Others might be missing electronics and that's left out on purpose as well as I wouldn't be able to rank my tier 3 sites with the current setup, so I rather just pass on that, it's simply too competitive, the commissions are low and buyers are picky. Just not worth all the effort, yes it's a huge market but there are many huge markets that are much more interesting for me.


SITE SETUP:

Tier 1: Huge authority site covering all type of physical products in plenty of niches (1000+ pages), preferable on PR5+ domain. The site should be more then just a review site and it will be properly silo'd

Tier 2: 10 Mini Authority sites: Music, Garden, Pets, Baby, Fitness, Kitchen, Sleeping, Home/House, Tools, Haircare/Beauty (50-100 pages), preferable on PR4+ domains though anything relevant enough will do, if not findable then brand new domain. Once again properly silo'd

Tier 3: 150+ Midi Niche sites (10-30 pages), half hosted on PR3+ domains, the rest on brand new domains that will be purchased in phases, eg 1 site for each niche on a certain date, and then the next batch of 10 a month or so later to avoid same registration dates across the board.


PROMOTION:

Tier 1: This will be the final phase, links will come from the tier 2 sites as well as link outreach and promotions, I will use the most solid writers I can find for this site, though this is the long term goal when the other tiers make good money on their selves, kind of the ultimate goal that if performed well should bring in millions (yes I love to dream).

TIer 2: These sites will be setup as soon as tier 3 is finished, I might add some email capturing campaign where it fits, the content will mostly be reviews but also informative content, I'd use decent writers for this. The links will come from the tier 3 sites, and in addition I'll do some press releases, relevant blog commenting, forum participation, social media campaigns and such, I'd probably assign 1 VA that's well versed in English per site to take care of that.

Tier 3: Half of these sites will be on PR3 domains, I will interlink the sites in the same niche, in addition I will setup high PR domains as a 4th tiered and there sole purpose is to drive rankings for tier 2 and tier 3. Perhaps we add some low budget video submissions, user profile links, press releases at inexpensive though paid platforms and perhaps a little bookmarking and web2.0 blogs backed by GSA campaigns for this tier only.

The higher we come in the pyramid the more whitehat it will become really with a long term vision in mind. This outs itself in terms of promotion, links, quality of writers, monetization and more.

I budget $50,000,- for tier 2, tier 3 as well as the tier 4 network. Each site should bring in money except for the tier 4, that money will be used to launch the tier 1 authority site.


MONETIZATION

Tier 1: All kinds of where it fits, this includes AliExpress, Amazon, Clickbank, Adsense

Tier 2: Primarly Amazon and AliExpress, unless something else might fit somewhere

Tier 3: Solely Amazon just to keep things easy. Later on I might add a bunch of more informative sites as only review sites doesn't look too natural either, that would then be monetized with Adsense or Clickbank/OfferVault depending on the niche.


RISK ASSESMENT

Tier 1: Little to no risk, this site will only receive links from tier 2 and tier 3 as well as link outreach and the paid traffic we drive will result in more natural links, this is really our long term goal and I'd do everything to keep that site clear from unnatural links.

TIer 2: These sites will receive less artificial links but more from the tier3, however if tier 3 falls away then there is not that much strength left, I hope that these sites will attract some natural links thanks to the amount of visitors they receive while it lasts and the additional link building we perform, they would sure experience a drop in rankings but not too drastic as it would only be a matter of link loss.

Tier 3: I have no idea how stable it will be in terms of rankings, what works now might not work in 1 year when a new Google update is once again launched. The tier 3 will be setup in such way that it returns the investment in 4-5 months max (as that's how long it takes these days to rank) so that should be relatively safe for my wallet. The PR3+ domains that we put half of the sites on will be reusable as a link source for other purposes so that is no lost money.

So all together the risk is pretty much calculated, especially cause we focus on making our money back at a fast rate.


CONTENT WRITERS

Tier 1: I would try to find writers specialized or at least well known in the section they work on on the site (eg the 10 sections I mentioned before).

Tier 2: Textbrokers, I've requested bulk prices as they charge $2,40/100 words while they pay the writers only $1,40 so there should be plenty of discount to negotiate, if not I have a few solid writers that can take care of this, might take a bit longer though.

Tier 3: iWriters, the content isn't very great when you select 4-4.5 stars, that's cause they don't allow new clients to give a rating below 3. So when an article is semi-decent people tend to give 4 stars and thus you get quite a few semi-crappy writers in that category. Think of the average $1/100 words content. The good thing is that I should be able to get content for 50 sites a month rather quickly (that's about 1000 articles/month). My current writers work away 500k/words per month on average so that comes down to about the same, however they are busy enough with their regular work already.


TIME SCHEDULE

Tier 1: Long term plan, no pressure.

Tier 2: Sites should be live in 6 months and receive top rankings within 12 months

Tier 3: Sites will all be complete in 3 months and ranking in 6 months, that means I have 3 months to launch 150 sites, that's 50 sites per month so there might be some delay as that's quite a lot.


Some have perhaps better/different goals with $50k, I'd like to do it somewhat risk free, as each task is setup in phases and it's not like $50k out of my pocket directly, besides that at least $30k will be invested in high PR domains, which can be (re)used for my current/core business so I don't really see that as an additional investment but instead regular business expenses. In the past 2 years I've spend $60k+ on expired domains so this is nothing new really.


ALTERNATIVE / ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

If I'd spend $50k directly on a tier 1 authority site I would be taking a much larger risk as I wouldn't have any resources to get such huge site ranked and paid traffic can easily lead to huge losses, besides that I have zero experience with link outreach, regular marketing and all that, I would have to learn all of it by doing so perhaps it might never pay off, instead I can better build the basis first and use the profits from that to slowly work on 1 huge site.

Any other idea's or suggestions on the above plan are welcome though, it wouldn't result in me drastically changing the plan, as I've largely made up my mind and the first 40 sites are either build / in recovery lol, or in progress. Penguin 3.0 was a bitch so we already do things completely different then before so that's an advantage. I had this plan for some time already but waited purposely for the long waited Google update to adjust my plans.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    Sounds like a lot of work, money and some risk.

    I'd invest the $50,000 in one site creating the very best content in the market, an amazing email newsletter, great videos, viral content, social media and paid traffic to ramp up traffic big time.

    With that budget, you could gain authority quickly and start earning from viral content and long tail rankings quickly to finance long term rankings for more competitive keywords and even better content.

    I'd add display ads to your monetization mix, especially for viral intent content. I run a mid-sized site and create content that earns with display ads and other content monetized with affiliate promotions. It works well.

    I'm sure your plan could work, but in the event the footprint gets hammered by Google, it's a big loss.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by jgant View Post

      Sounds like a lot of work, money and some risk.

      I'd invest the $50,000 in one site creating the very best content in the market, an amazing email newsletter, great videos, viral content, social media and paid traffic to ramp up traffic big time.

      With that budget, you could gain authority quickly and start earning from viral content and long tail rankings quickly to finance long term rankings for more competitive keywords and even better content.

      I'd add display ads to your monetization mix, especially for viral intent content. I run a mid-sized site and create content that earns with display ads and other content monetized with affiliate promotions. It works well.

      I'm sure your plan could work, but in the event the footprint gets hammered by Google, it's a big loss.
      There's no such thing as viral content imo, only content that has the potential to go viral.

      Same applies to social media really.

      Solid videos can easily costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

      I still remember Neil Patel saying that he regularly spends $80000,- on a single piece of content, whether that's true or not remains the question but still, even if so, he can take the risk as he already has the connections so it's much less a matter of luck.

      $50k might sound like a lot but it's easy to blow quickly through it as it's really not that much when you look at the bigger picture. Heck paid campaigns that convert less then you'd think could eat a huge gap out of such budget and no guarantee it will lead to any links and awesome piece of content can cost small fortunes.

      Maybe I'm wrong, as I have no experience with such things but I do see myself easily blowing through it with not much in return.

      Latelý I've spend $750 for a great sales letter, it didn't convert any better then the previous one, maybe even worse, despite that it's a pretty damn solid one from a professional copy writer with a good reputation, the previous one I wrote myself, contained grammar/spelling issue's. Things not always work out as expected.

      Years ago I started a certain offline business, at the beginning I had like 50 people on a waiting list for my products, I bought when I received an order, simply cause I didn't have any money back then. It was a safe bet with huge potential, that's also how I started my SEO service and I also plan to do that with this, using a proven concept/appraoch instead of going blind in things that I know too little about.

      The mini authority sites will be my playfield where I'll be able to start testing with paid traffic, newsletters, content that has the potential to go viral. Once I realize it's not that much of a gamble when executing it properly I can start to scale things differently.
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      • Profile picture of the author jgant
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        There's no such thing as viral content imo, only content that has the potential to go viral.

        Same applies to social media really.

        Solid videos can easily costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

        I still remember Neil Patel saying that he regularly spends $80000,- on a single piece of content, whether that's true or not remains the question but still, even if so, he can take the risk as he already has the connections so it's much less a matter of luck.

        $50k might sound like a lot but it's easy to blow quickly through it as it's really not that much when you look at the bigger picture. Heck paid campaigns that convert less then you'd think could eat a huge gap out of such budget and no guarantee it will lead to any links and awesome piece of content can cost small fortunes.

        Maybe I'm wrong, as I have no experience with such things but I do see myself easily blowing through it with not much in return.

        Latelý I've spend $750 for a great sales letter, it didn't convert any better then the previous one, maybe even worse, despite that it's a pretty damn solid one from a professional copy writer with a good reputation, the previous one I wrote myself, contained grammar/spelling issue's. Things not always work out as expected.

        Years ago I started a certain offline business, at the beginning I had like 50 people on a waiting list for my products, I bought when I received an order, simply cause I didn't have any money back then. It was a safe bet with huge potential, that's also how I started my SEO service and I also plan to do that with this, using a proven concept/appraoch instead of going blind in things that I know too little about.

        The mini authority sites will be my playfield where I'll be able to start testing with paid traffic, newsletters, content that has the potential to go viral. Once I realize it's not that much of a gamble when executing it properly I can start to scale things differently.
        You make very good points. I like your observation that content only has the potential to go viral. You're right. If I could order up viral content every time, I'd be a billionaire. I also agree that it's easy to blow through $50k on content and traffic without much of a return.

        However, some niches typically do even moderately well on social media.... perhaps not always viral, but does get shared consistently generating decent traffic quickly if you give it a nudge with some small Facebook ad campaigns.

        Since you'll ultimately be going after many niches, why not start with niches that tend to do well with social media to get traffic and cash flow flowing while building up some social media channels which you can leverage as you build the entire network out?

        From there you can add your buyer-intent content on the first site and new sites in the network.

        I understand ultimately you want to rank for valuable keywords and make a fortune with affiliate promotions. My point is to consider starting the massive network with a niche or niches that have a propensity for engagement that also offer decent affiliate opportunities. This way you can kick-start traffic faster to get cash flowing to reinvest in building out the network.

        Even if you break even with the first few properties, at least you're self-financing the bigger picture that hopefully will ultimately generate massive profits.

        I suspect you're proceeding as planned. It would be great if you ran a case study. You seem to be in a position to get this thing rolling pretty fast. I'd to hear how it goes.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by jgant View Post

          You make very good points. I like your observation that content only has the potential to go viral. You're right. If I could order up viral content every time, I'd be a billionaire. I also agree that it's easy to blow through $50k on content and traffic without much of a return.

          However, some niches typically do even moderately well on social media.... perhaps not always viral, but does get shared consistently generating decent traffic quickly if you give it a nudge with some small Facebook ad campaigns.

          Since you'll ultimately be going after many niches, why not start with niches that tend to do well with social media to get traffic and cash flow flowing while building up some social media channels which you can leverage as you build the entire network out?

          From there you can add your buyer-intent content on the first site and new sites in the network.

          I understand ultimately you want to rank for valuable keywords and make a fortune with affiliate promotions. My point is to consider starting the massive network with a niche or niches that have a propensity for engagement that also offer decent affiliate opportunities. This way you can kick-start traffic faster to get cash flowing to reinvest in building out the network.

          Even if you break even with the first few properties, at least you're self-financing the bigger picture that hopefully will ultimately generate massive profits.

          I suspect you're proceeding as planned. It would be great if you ran a case study. You seem to be in a position to get this thing rolling pretty fast. I'd to hear how it goes.
          Facebook banned me from paid advertising there, thing is I had a business account I think based on my LLC back then but I tried to fund it with my personal Paypal acoount and that triggered some fraud warning. Facebook is real strict with that it seems and they don't give second chances so I can't retry with my personal account or LLC, I would have to register a whole new company if I want to give it a try so that definitely holds me back.

          I suppose the baby niche and pets niche could do well on social media, perhaps that I should focus on Pinterest instead then as I suppose people would love to share such images.

          As for starting with one niche, I am a bit divided about that, first the baby niche is quite competitive, secondly the pets niche isn't that profitable as there are not too many expensive products there. Third, I need domains and I'm a bit scared it might leave a footprint if all the domains are registered at the same day or spread out over just a few weeks, might leave a large footprint so to avoid that it would make more sense to launch let's say 1 site in each niche per week. That would then be 10 sites per week = 40 sites per month, so that would keep me on schedule.

          Right now it's already self financed in a certain type of way,well self financed, my core business finances it, so it's impossible for me to lose substantial amounts of money on this, sure it could be savings otherwise but I stacked up nicely in the last few years.

          As for case study, I will blog about it on my SEO blog, to keep track of things, I won't reveal most sites as there's quite some money involved and I will partly utilize my existing network of sites to rank them.

          Current state of the project:

          - 20 sites are build and are in a recovery process using double redirects, results are varied
          - 6 additional sites have been build in the last two weeks
          - so each niche has 2 sites as we speak, some 4, some 1
          - yesterday I spend the whole day on additional kw research and wrote down the main kw's for 10-50 sites per niche, in total I have a spreadsheet that could fill up 200+ sites
          - 8 PR4 domains and 16 PR3 domains have been purchased in the last two weeks, (now I have to wait a few weeks for a new list from my broker)
          - yesterday night I started to scrape the TDNAM database from GoDaddy for affordable aged domains that I could build the money sites up on
          - today I will outsource content for an additional 10 sites to my current writers
          - today I will outsource 50 pieces of link building content to iWriters to test new writers

          There are two things that might hold me back a bit as we speak:

          1) Availability of high PR domains, I also have my normal business to run and don't have time to monitor multiple auctions to find great deals, my broker has a full automated system to do that and he is able to get better deals then me cause of that, downside is that he doesn't have an unlimited supply of domains, and all other brokers I tested in the past 2 years can't compete with him in anyway, either price wise or strength of domains.

          Lately I adjusted my SEO service by dedicating domains solely to clients and limiting the outbound links heavily on other sites, the result is that the network is kind of full right now. There are 3 other networks that I own that I can place links on but these are based on roll off links, so no permanent link strength that is.

          2) Virtual assistants to setup the sites, I have a few people but most are busy for my main business, new VA's always tend to mess up, whether it's with adding affiliate links, making it look nice or whatever, they always do a sloppy job so that will be pretty frustrative.

          3) Themes for the websites, if I want to eventually link all the sites to one huge authority site it will leave quite a footprint when each site uses the same theme. I've thought about modifying themes in batches, eg one theme for site 1 in each niche, theme 2 for site 2 in each niche and so on. Though that will leave footprints as well, so I haven't decided on that yet.

          4) Hosting, as we speak I have 70 shared hosting accounts, for the tier 3 and tier 2 setup that's sufficient, I wonder how that will turn out for the tier 1 authority site when 200 sites link from just 70 IP's. Purchasing an additional 130 hosting plans is not really on my to do list. However that's of later concern. Perhaps I shouldn't link from 200 money sites to the authority site but just from 70 in total, that would also leave less of an overall footprint.

          Of those 4 points the high PR domains might be the biggest concern, for the other things there are ways around it.

          As for potential income, let's do some dreaming

          - 200 niche sites: $250/month per site = $50000,-/month
          - 10 mini authority sites: $2500/month per site = $25000/month
          - 1 authority site: $......./mo

          Actually my goal is to make 1 million baht per month, which translates to about 25k euro/month, I live in Thailand for the last 2 years and 1 mill/month is a nice enough amount. IF I reach 1 million baht per month in total (with my SEO service income included then I'm satisfied as well btw). With the amount of sites that I plan to build that should be a very realistic goal.

          In the most optimistic way the sites would make $150k/month combined, in the most pessimistic way they would make $30k/month and that's still well within my goal, I ain't gonna calculate myself too rich up front.

          There is one other interesting though that's on my mind though:

          SITE FLIPPING

          Let's assume I can comfortably build 40 sites per month, that each make $250/month in commissions. Sites take about 4 months to rank so I would be able to sell in 6 months with 3 months income history so let's say we continue at that rate.

          That means I'd be able to sell 40 sites per month, 40 sites * $250 = $10000,- * 10 months sales value (again pessimistic, I might be able to get 15* monthly through empire flipprs), then we are at a $100k/month income purely from site flipping, 40 sites would cost me $40k so that's $60k/month additional profit. So when I add all this together it would be near impossible to not reach my 25k euro/month goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    ok lets see here you got smacked with Penguin 3.0 ( actually not to many people can say that ) so you have devised a "New" PBN that "should" work? I would hate to see what your last one looked like!

    why not just develop a nice solid 10 silo site, with a couple 20 "tier 3" sites pointed to it?

    If you want to "Invest" why not look into getting an added internet provider and a new computer. build the silo on a dedicated connection and computer, and build the tier 3's on different computers and connection. Its a Mac world dude! ( as in Mac address )

    I personally am in the process of developing 200 amazon sites. and sure I have some linking going on, but nothing like what you are talking about. you are just asking to have a whole lot of recovery sites.

    Take a step back and look at how many times in how many years you have tried to "stay ahead" of Google and lost. stop trying to beat it man.... learn to use it!
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      ok lets see here you got smacked with Penguin 3.0 ( actually not to many people can say that ) so you have devised a "New" PBN that "should" work? I would hate to see what your last one looked like!
      Have a look at Blackhatworld.


      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      Why not just develop a nice solid 10 silo site, with a couple 20 "tier 3" sites pointed to it?
      Such an irony.


      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      If you want to "Invest" why not look into getting an added internet provider and a new computer. build the silo on a dedicated connection and computer, and build the tier 3's on different computers and connection. Its a Mac world dude! ( as in Mac address )
      70 shared hosting plans and counting.


      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      I personally am in the process of developing 200 amazon sites. and sure I have some linking going on, but nothing like what you are talking about. you are just asking to have a whole lot of recovery sites.

      Take a step back and look at how many times in how many years you have tried to "stay ahead" of Google and lost. stop trying to beat it man.... learn to use it!
      I look back happily as I've made multiple times my investments back, in the end its only ROI that counts.

      Some linking won't be enough for the keywords I target, I want each feeder site to make at least $500/month.

      As a result the tier 3 sites will have a PR4 strength, tier 2 PR6 and tier 1 PR7, that's if Google would still update their toolbar. My initial $50k budget might be too small as each feeder site probably ends up costing $1k
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Have a look at Blackhatworld I'd say.
        My point exactly


        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Such an irony.
        your right there is some irony in that statement. the TRUTH is I would point it the other direction... I would point out of the silo caps in the lower direction. so the "Authority" being more of the presale position and the "tier 3" being the sales work horses.

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I look back happily as I've made multiple times my investments back, in the end its only ROI that counts.
        nik0, but that's the thing you are working with the concept of short term gain. BUT with the knowledge you apparently have.. you could learn to cut LESS corners, and produce long term yield with the same overall investment creating GREATER ROI over time.

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        200 Amazon sites, I bet each of them will receive a ton of love from you...
        Actually, the ones that are completed are doing rather nicely thank you for asking.


        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Wonder what type of keywords you target as there's only some linking going on, most of my sites should be able to rank top 5 for "best...." "....reviews" type of keywords with 5-15k exact searches, kind of hard to accomplish with "some linking". Yes I could go for kw's with less search volume and thus less income.
        when I spoke of linking I ment BETWEEN the sites as in not creating a PBN FOOTPRINT. I do have some category lead sites in there, but they will be well within parameters of "Safe"

        It appears we will not have to worry if we fall into each others categories. NONE of my sites will list for "Reviews" and NONE will list for "Best" those are CHUMP terms and not where the money is.

        If you understood marketing as much as you want to think you understand SEO you would understand that the terms "Best" and "Reviews" are placing you in the research side of the buying cycle. You want to be on the buying side of the cycle. I think the idea is to actually "Sell" stuff if I am not mistaken.


        Seriously... if you spent just HALF the time you are spending now to beat the system, that in the long run beats you, and learned how to play with the system, you would be a money making fool.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          your right there is some irony in that statement. the TRUTH is I would point it the other direction... I would point out of the silo caps in the lower direction. so the "Authority" being more of the presale position and the "tier 3" being the sales work horses.
          Yes especially as I outlined it exactly like that in my OP, mini authority sites in silo and tier 3 feeder sites.

          I don't have the time to turn each of the mini authority sites in a truly authority site, so they have to get their trust/authority from the domains they will be build on and the obviously hyper relevant feeder sites that link to them. I simply don't have the time to do link outreach campaigns and creating epic content for them to attract strong natural links.

          If I would do it the other way around, there would not be too much strength, besides the strength from the domains they are on already, but for that I setup my tier 4 sites already. I don't care if I lose all the tier 3 sites to some penalty as I would've made my money back by then so I could replace them and the tier 4 sites wouldn't be affected so it's just a matter of rinse & repeat. See it as a churn & burn method that lasts longer then a few weeks and probably longer then a year or at least till the next large update.

          Like you seem to explain it, you would only interlink money sites with each other, I'm doing that as well, only difference is that I add some additional strength from an extra PBN in the background.

          One thing doesn't have to rule out the other though, I can link to the mini authority sites and the mini authority site can link back to the feeder sites. Google doesn't penalize sites that link back and forth in the same niche.


          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          nik0, but that's the thing you are working with the concept of short term gain. BUT with the knowledge you apparently have.. you could learn to cut LESS corners, and produce long term yield with the same overall investment creating GREATER ROI over time.
          I cut corners for a reason, massive amounts of strength to rank fast, and I know that comes with a risk. I seriously wouldn't know how to effectively rank an Amazon affilate site that no one in their right mind would naturally link to for keywords with 1000's of exact searches/month. Seriously. Come on who links to a site about toaster ovens?



          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          Actually, the ones that are completed are doing rather nicely thank you for asking.

          when I spoke of linking I ment BETWEEN the sites as in not creating a PBN FOOTPRINT. I do have some category lead sites in there, but they will be well within parameters of "Safe"
          Good, I also link between the sites but I think that won't be enough to rank for the keywords I am after..


          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          It appears we will not have to worry if we fall into each others categories. NONE of my sites will list for "Reviews" and NONE will list for "Best" those are CHUMP terms and not where the money is.

          If you understood marketing as much as you want to think you understand SEO you would understand that the terms "Best" and "Reviews" are placing you in the research side of the buying cycle. You want to be on the buying side of the cycle. I think the idea is to actually "Sell" stuff if I am not mistaken.
          As long as they convert at 4-5 percent once they land on Amazon I am pretty satisfied to be honest. A site that costs me all together $1k to setup and brings in $500-$1000/month recurring income is not so bad at all.

          I suppose you are after product numbers / types?


          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          Seriously... if you spent just HALF the time you are spending now to beat the system, that in the long run beats you, and learned how to play with the system, you would be a money making fool.
          It only beats me temporarily if it beats me at all.

          Play with the system, once again I suppose you're after product models / numbers, I can't be bothered doing research and writing content for keywords with a few dozen searches most of the time. When I rank for the main keywords I automatically pick up the additional traffic for those longtails, that's the extra benefit, I don't have to leave any keyword untouched once the juice starts flowing.

          Maybe Im wrong in thinking that you're after certain models but I guess not, I've played too much with Adwords to miss out on anything new.

          Additional benefit of "best" keywords is that you don't end up selling the cheapest product in it's category.
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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I don't have the time to turn each of the mini authority sites in a truly authority site, so they have to get their trust/authority from the domains they will be build on and the obviously hyper relevant feeder sites that link to them. I simply don't have the time to do link outreach campaigns and creating epic content for them to attract strong natural links.
            BUT, you have time to rebuild all of this when you get penalized. Dude, I have "natural" PBN structures that are over 10 yrs old. I KNOW what juice is. Not just that, I know how to DEVELOP juice, and I more than know how and WHEN to allocate juice.

            Lets for just one moment think that Penguin 3.0 was an exploratory shot. ( I think there will be more shots within the next month ) IF you got hit with Penguin 3.0 you are going to get RAILED with 3.1. I am already thinking the NEXT, or the one that comes shortly after will be the "Shot heard around the black hat world" Short gain PBN's are simply to easy to spot.

            You do realize that Google is a domain registrar right? The math is simply to easy to even think of playing around as you are suggesting. You are simply building a house of cards with cards that are not the same size ( you house is not stable )


            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            If I would do it the other way around, there would not be too much strength, besides the strength from the domains they are on already, but for that I setup my tier 4 sites already. I don't care if I lose all the tier 3 sites to some penalty as I would've made my money back by then so I could replace them and the tier 4 sites wouldn't be affected so it's just a matter of rinse & repeat. See it as a churn & burn method that lasts longer then a few weeks and probably longer then a year or at least till the next large update.
            "The other way around" is what is called a pyramid structure. actually if you do some research you would see that the overall effect in most cases is actually stronger than the PBN structure. The drawback with a "proper" pyramid structure is the number of sites needed. But as you and I are talking, that is not an issue now is it?

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Like you seem to explain it, you would only interlink money sites with each other, I'm doing that as well, only difference is that I add some additional strength from an extra PBN in the background.
            The difference between what you and I do, is primarily right here. MY linking is basically "redirecting" Its not about the "structure", its about the nature of the end user. I want to make sales. If an end user hits on a football site, but really wanted soccer, I intuitively cross link the 2 as well as linking "upward" towards my sports "Hub Site"

            At the same time, its my Hub sites that I spend the most time with, in directing traffic. In a bit better than theory these "Hub Sites" become "Authority" sites and with time takes its place in more define PBN structure. Like I said before, I don't "buy" juice, I develop it.

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Google doesn't penalize sites that link back and forth in the same niche..
            That statement right there is simply not true. there is without question a line that can get crossed here. I believe the term is link farming, and Google actually does define this rather well.

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I cut corners for a reason, massive amounts of strength to rank fast, and I know that comes with a risk. I seriously wouldn't know how to effectively rank an Amazon affilate site that no one in their right mind would naturally link to for keywords with 1000's of exact searches/month. Seriously. Come on who links to a site about toaster ovens?
            Seriously, who sells toaster ovens? That would be a single off purchase for no more than say $99 ( max ) with a life cycle of what 5 yrs +. That would be a turn and burn niche, to much work with far little return in my book. Something like "Skinny Jeans" now we are talking!

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I suppose you are after product numbers / types?
            Simply? NO. I do use woocommerce, so the product # is there, but not something that I target in the slightest. As much as I am a SEO and Web Design junkie, I am a marketer as well. My overall strategy goes far deeper than that.

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Play with the system, once again I suppose you're after product models / numbers, I can't be bothered doing research and writing content for keywords with a few dozen searches most of the time. When I rank for the main keywords I automatically pick up the additional traffic for those longtails, that's the extra benefit, I don't have to leave any keyword untouched once the juice starts flowing.
            Heres the deal. I DONT niche. I go at "Markets" I don't go for "toasters" I would go for "Kitchens" at the top, and work my way down to toasters. My commerce sites don't have a few hundred products, they have 1000's In most cases I take a "Market" and will split that market into more focused sites. so the site that happens to sell "toasters" would sell basically kitchen appliances. If Amazon has dishwashers and ranges, I am sure I would list those as well.

            My keyword targeting from top to bottom in "My" structures, are basically enormous. I am not looking to sell one off... I try to "capture" end users and retain them. It maybe a toaster today, but it could be a blender next week, and a whole kithcen remodel in the months to come.

            ( for the record I don't have a bunch of sites that target kitchens, tho it looks like a promising idea as I write this! haha )
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              Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

              Heres the deal. I DONT niche. I go at "Markets" I don't go for "toasters" I would go for "Kitchens" at the top, and work my way down to toasters. My commerce sites don't have a few hundred products, they have 1000's In most cases I take a "Market" and will split that market into more focused sites. so the site that happens to sell "toasters" would sell basically kitchen appliances. If Amazon has dishwashers and ranges, I am sure I would list those as well.
              I see we both do it in complete different ways, that's fine.

              The problems I run into with eCommerce sites with 1000's of so called thin pages are Panda like penalties, especially when the content is scraped from Amazon. You write unique descriptions for each product or do you add substantial amounts of additional content to get away with it?
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                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                I see we both do it in complete different ways, that's fine.

                The problems I run into with eCommerce sites with 1000's of so called thin pages are Panda like penalties, especially when the content is scraped from Amazon. You write unique descriptions for each product or do you add substantial amounts of additional content to get away with it?
                To be honest I no index no follow the commerce content. Its not like there is much there anyways. ( if there were a weak spot in Amazon's model...it would be right there - product content. )

                Its the content based sales funnel that I create that draws the traffic. Its the unique hub site content that affords me the Yahoo listings. Its the attention to international sales that allows me greater market reach. Its the relationships I build with outside writers that give me an even greater edge. ( and we are not talking as cheap as I can get them type writers either )

                Google could shut me off tomorrow... and it really would not hurt that much. SEO does not = Google in my book. I have a solid multi platform / multi national SEO strategy that I employ.

                So yes, there are a great number of differences in what you and I do.. and the best of luck to you.
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                  Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                  To be honest I no index no follow the commerce content. Its not like there is much there anyways. ( if there were a weak spot in Amazon's model...it would be right there - product content. )

                  Its the content based sales funnel that I create that draws the traffic. Its the unique hub site content that affords me the Yahoo listings. Its the attention to international sales that allows me greater market reach. Its the relationships I build with outside writers that give me an even greater edge. ( and we are not talking as cheap as I can get them type writers either )

                  Google could shut me off tomorrow... and it really would not hurt that much. SEO does not = Google in my book. I have a solid multi platform / multi national SEO strategy that I employ.

                  So yes, there are a great number of differences in what you and I do.. and the best of luck to you.
                  Kind of what I advice my clients as well but then they refuse to add content, well not refuse but it never happens so then we have a contact page, a homepage, privacy page and that's it lol

                  I suppose what you do can work well for you yes, I like to keep it as easy / basic as possible. I know the whole thing can collapse but it's setup in such way that the expired domains can be re-used and I do expect to make my money back a few times before that happens, once it ranks it should return investment in one month time really.

                  I just decided to setup an additional recurring service today that I'm having a website for developed with all bells and whistles and I gave another programmer the start on a new keyword research tool that will be launched probably in the new year so there are some backup plans in place

                  Good luck you to with launching the additional 200 sites, we definitely got some work to do!
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    Great Plan!! Really appreciative. Go ahead dear and you will find the success on your business soon. Your plan can also help other freshers to built up their business successfully.
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    Good Idea, NICHE selection is very important think in any business. If one fail to select the good, niche, he may not gain in this business. Newbie may need these information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roth
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    Ummm if you have $50,000, it would probably be smarter to put that in a money market fund rather than your online business "idea". You'll make more money, I'm sure of it.

    Buy real estate...
    Put it in a money market fund...
    Put it in a mutual fund...
    Hell, put it in a Licensing idea.

    But I think your IM idea is a loose pipe dream: too ambitious and too risky. There are much better ways to spend 50K, and I just gave you a few of them. Sure, they might not be as "sexy" as IM, but they're much more down-to-earth.

    They say a fool and his money are soon parted....
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      Originally Posted by Roth View Post

      Ummm if you have $50,000, it would probably be smarter to put that in a money market fund rather than your online business "idea". You'll make more money, I'm sure of it.

      Buy real estate...
      Put it in a money market fund...
      Put it in a mutual fund...
      Hell, put it in a Licensing idea.

      But I think your IM idea is a loose pipe dream: too ambitious and too risky. There are much better ways to spend 50K, and I just gave you a few of them. Sure, they might not be as "sexy" as IM, but they're much more down-to-earth.

      They say a fool and his money are soon parted....
      And what's the return of that 5-10 percent/year.

      No thanks, maybe when I'm about to retire.
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        And what's the return of that 5-10 percent/year.

        No thanks, maybe when I'm about to retire.
        LOL that will most likely be more than what you'll make from your new ventures. But hey, it's your money.
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          Originally Posted by Roth View Post

          LOL that will most likely be more than what you'll make from your new ventures. But hey, it's your money.
          Keep judging people if that makes you feel better.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidfrankk
    Your idea sounds great! Seems like you would need some news features initially to popularize the website. PM me if you'd like features on PR8 news websites.
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      Originally Posted by davidfrankk View Post

      Your idea sounds great! Seems like you would need some news features initially to popularize the website. PM me if you'd like features on PR8 news websites.
      Will do Frank, was just in touch with a similar agency as well that provides such links, could you send me your rates to info@seoservicegroup.com? Would be a nice addition for the mini authority sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Can I just say this is an excellent marketing plan that you have put together for your business. Many other forum members could learn from such a well research and detailed business plan. I really hope
    That whichever option you choose you all have lots of success. :-)
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