Who cares about post counts?

[Anthony Lex]

I recently put an infraction against a fellow warrior who i felt was trying to profit from another persons misfortune. The warrior then felt the need to turn the tables on me and comment about my lack of contribution to this fantastic forum.

My problem with this is many threads have appeared about people joining the warrior forum simply looking for an easy payday. When these so called newbies reach the desired 30 post mark they just happen to release a WSO. Now i'm not saying that this wasn't their intended plan, all i'm looking for is recognition that there are still good guys and gals out there who simply want to learn, or are putting time and effort into their own businesses. We all don't have time to post to this forum.

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have learnt so much in such a small time, and i thank you fellow warriors for helping me reach my goals in life. I have learnt as much from the guys who joined here in 2003 as I have from the ones who have joined in 2009, from the people who have 5,000 posts to the ones with only 30. My point being is that we all have knowledge of different areas, and if we share that info with others, who cares about how long you have been established as long as the info provided is good and can help others.

One last point is that my time is limited in this forum due to me taking action on what I have gained from the IM community, so to the person who decided to pm me on my lack of posts... Get a life mate! My market isn't selling to people on the warrior forum and my market isn't IM, so my post count is irrelevant unless I was trying to sell something to you which i'm not. So please just realise that just because someone doesn't have a thousand plus post count to their name, their point of view is no more less valid.

Rant over, thank you for reading and goodnight!

[Scott Ames]

I'm amused when someone thinks I know everything just because of my post count. Ask my wife, that isn't true.

[Michael Oksa]

If the infraction WAS truly warranted then you did contribute to the forum.

Sure, your post count is low, but there are some members who have been here longer with about the same amount.

I look at it this way: I would rather have you not post if you have nothing to add, then spew out a bunch of garbage based on some assumed expectation of your prolificacy.

All the best,
Michael

[DavidTheMavin]

Post counts mean jack. If anything, high post counts mean the person's contributions do not contain as much substance as they should.

Thanks to: post ratios are a good way to determine the quality of a member imho.

[nostih]

No, not entirely true at all.

Steve W. has close to 14,000 posts and MOST of his posts are high value.

There is no direct correlation between value and post count. It just shows post activity. Nothing more than that.

Originally Posted by DavidTheMavin

Post counts mean jack. If anything, high post counts mean the person's contributions do not contain as much substance as they should.

Thanks to: post ratios are a good way to determine the quality of a member imho.

[mcloud0729]

I agree 100%. I am new to this forum although I have lurked around for quite some time and I HATE when people post something that doesn't have any value to it and just post to get that post count up. Just because a person has 2,000 posts does not mean they can contribute any more than someone with 20 posts. All post count shows is that the person has been in the community longer is more active. Thanks for the opening post haha

[Frank Donovan]

Originally Posted by DavidTheMavin

Thanks to: post ratios are a good way to determine the quality of a member imho.

Be careful with that ratio. The thanks facility is less than a year old and longer-term members could already have had thousands of posts prior to that.



Frank

[Slyknight]

Originally Posted by aamccall

So please just realise that just because someone doesn't have a thousand plus post count to their name, their point of view is no more less valid.

Couldn't agree more.

[Steve Diamond]

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Be careful with that ratio. The thanks facility is less than a year old and longer-term members would already have had thousands of posts prior to that.

Not only that, but many members don't seem to have learned to use it.

If I had a nickel for every time someone had thanked me in a post without using the Thanks button...

Well, I'd have a few nickels anyway.

Steve

[DavidTheMavin]

Originally Posted by Ron.

No, not entirely true at all.

Steve W. has close to 14,000 posts and MOST of his posts are high value.

There is no direct correlation between value and post count. It just shows post activity. Nothing more than that.

Yeah, I suppose I was thinking of a poster with say 14k posts in a year or so. I have tens of thousands of posts on other boards over years as well, and I would say that there's a lot of value in many of those as well, but also understand that someone that posts that much (even if it is over a long period of time) has other motives. Why else would you spend that much time on a message board?

[DavidTheMavin]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

I agree that posts counts don't always reflect the knowledge or helpfulness of the member but I don't understand where you're coming from with this statement, either.

Tina G

What I basically mean is that if you go on post counts alone you're being misguided. There are a lot of people here with tons of posts here and all over the Web, that only have that many posts because they're always arguing or always hocking their junk.

[adamv]

A large number of post counts gives some people the impression that the person must be an expert marketer or a respected member of the forum.

If you really want to know if someone is an expert marketer or a respected member that contributes to the forum we should actually READ some of their posts rather than just basing our assumptions on the number of posts.

[tommygadget]

Originally Posted by aamccall

One last point is that my time is limited in this forum due to me taking action on what I have gained from the IM community, so to the person who decided to pm me on my lack of posts... Get a life mate! My market isn't selling to people on the warrior forum and my market isn't IM, so my post count is irrelevant unless I was trying to sell something to you which i'm not. So please just realise that just because someone doesn't have a thousand plus post count to their name, their point of view is no more less valid.

Inherent in this part of your post is the assumption that all of us who regularly contribute to this forum a) only have something to sell to other members, and b) don't act on any advice in this forum and don't have a life. Those of us who built those large post numbers helping people may take umbrage at your post.

TomG.

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by aamccall

The warrior then felt the need to turn the tables on me and comment about my lack of contribution to this fantastic forum.

Forget the question of whether you do or don't contribute. Can anyone else here show me where, exactly, this forum requires me to contribute? As far as I know, I don't have to contribute squat, and neither does anyone else.

We are, however, required to meet certain standards of behaviour... and when we don't, we get infractions.

[Sven Schoene]

Content is king - It's the same on forums as it is on the rest of the internet (or the world, really)


@Tom: I think aamccall didn't mean it that way, even though I can see 100% how this might be attacking to other higher-post-count members on this board. I have the feeling that he meant the people with high post count who look down on people with low post count.


@aamccall: Great thread, and I agree with you. It sucks that you do not get looked upon as being valuable when you have a low post count. On the other hand, a post count is a bit like real life: You first have to earn your respect in order to claim it. Nobody knows whether or not we guys with low post count have any clue at all. That's just normal, I wouldn't know either if a person with 30 posts has something valuable to add. I think we just have to accept it the way it is (although a little more base-level of respect is always appreciated ).

[DavidTheMavin]

Really good points here, CDarklock is dead on, and you need to follow the rules, but sven is also right in his point that many of the people with lots of posts look down on people who don't have any. I personally got a few infractions for "running up post counts" when what I had said was perfectly valid when I first joined here as well.

[Steven Wagenheim]

I knew I felt my ears burning.

Know what? I'd be tickled pink if they got rid of post count.

In my opinion, 2 indicators would really show a member's value.

One we have...the thanks button.

Another would be a member rating. Members could give other members a
star rating from 1 to 5 stars. You only get one vote so that way the
ballot box can't be stuffed.

This would give you a much better indication of a member's contribution
to the forum. Add to that the length of time they've been a member and
you have enough info to make a fairly informed decision.

Naturally, there is no perfect system. There never can be. But post count
means nothing other than the person has a lot of time on his hands to
type responses to threads or his own threads.

It's the value of the responeses that count.

Post count?

Allen could kill the stat now and I'd be perfectly fine with it.

[peter gibson]

Post counts are to forums as etch and sketch is to art.

I'm just sayin'.

[DavidTheMavin]

Originally Posted by peter gibson

Post counts are to forums as etch and sketch is to art.

I'm just sayin'.

If this was me I'd get an infraction








I probably will for this post anyway so I better contribute.

1. Read
2. Look at number of thanks
3. Don't be swayed by post counts.

[BlackWaterBlog]

Originally Posted by adamv

A large number of post counts gives some people the impression that the person must be an expert marketer or a respected member of the forum.

This. However, high post counts doesn't mean the member is well respected too. He or she could turn out to be a complete self-centered jerk.

I've been on some forums where people with high post counts constantly bashed on the people with lesser counts.

It's sad really, why take things like post count so serious in the first place?

[jestershaw]

Yeah, thats funny, I have been here since early 2007 and I am way to busy to have a post count as high as 12,000...nothing wrong with it but I just wouldn't be able to spend the time.

We should get rid of post count and any other rank classifier. Even the "thank you" is over used in my opinion. There should be two rankings, member and non-member.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Onslaught

I bet

You are averaging about 10 posts a day, 7 days a week since you signed up.

Did I just sit and figure that out?

[Allen Graves]

Not fine with me! I want 14,000 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's why I am responding here with plenty enough content to be considered a valid response, but at the same time not offering any true value whatsoever. It's really not hard to do if you sit down and think about the whole process of posting on Internet bulletin boards.

I sincerely hope that each and every one of you who are taking the time to read this particular thread in the forum can understand exactly what I am attempting to accomplish by writing this post.

Thanks for listening to what I had to say about this topic because not many people listen to what I have to say - and when they do it just makes my whole day, and if you've ever had someone make YOUR day then you know exactly what I'm talking about, right?

That's another one! Whew - only twelve and a half thousand more to go...

With all due respect,
AL

[homebasedmom]

I have been around for some time right now, I have looked around this forum for more and more things to learn about. Sometimes I want to post a new thread asking "how and what?" etc etc...But I don't want my fellow warriors to think that I am just spamming or what, I just really want to learn more so that I would be ready when I enter the "world" of IM. More post or low post, as long as you have contributed something to help out a fellow warrior then it is good.

[Matt Maiden]

Looks like I need to work on my ratios. Mine are 0.23 a day

Yeah, it was a one liner but following Allen's lead I can go on and add a little more here.

So, back when I was 10...

[David A Smith]

Not me!

Did I just make a post?

Just kidding, it takes all kinds to make a community. Post when you feel
like it and don't when you don't.

I enjoy reading them all.

[Fran_C]

It seems like each point of view in this thread has some valid points and I'm going to add
my 2 cents... there's only one rule about how often we post that I know of, that is 30 posts
before getting access to the WSO section and it seems to me it makes sense if we consider
that posting a WSO is a privilege... beyond
that this discussion made me realize how disappointed I am when I join a new forum and find a
few outdated posts... without
all the participation this forum wouldn't be as lively and useful as it is...

I've only made 23 posts... I suppose I could be called a lurker because when I visit
I spend time reading several threads and learn something each time but I'll be posting
more often from now on...

Fran

[Fran_C]

It's me again! I just today became aware of the Thanks button because
it was mentioned several times in this thread!

I couldn't understand the 0 mention in the sidebar because of course
I've thanked people, probably my reason for posting was for
thanking someone... so now I know I should press the Thanks button.

Fran

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by DavidTheMavin

If this was me I'd get an infraction








I probably will for this post anyway so I better contribute.

1. Read
2. Look at number of thanks
3. Don't be swayed by post counts.

Is it just me or does the word "infraction" call up the 9th circle of hell, complete with some sort of never ending pit of Interwebz Doom? OK, probably just me.

At any rate, to avoid Dante's Inferno, I will say this; Post count do carry certain weight around here, for a few reasons.

1. Some of the senior cats on this forum have no problem calling out an idiot. I'm thinking Steve W., Exrat, e.t.c... This I like, immensely. They are the gauge by which I measure foolishness.
2. Some of the senior cats here are my personal frikin heroes, people I know have the cahonas to walk the walk and talk the talk.
3. See #1.

There are so many knuckleheads offering heaps of crap advice and/or WSOs with 30 or below posts - well it can be unnerving for anyone new. If all the newbs have to go by are the stats, then stats have to make do. I guarantee that in my own short time here, I can't think of one person with over 300 posts that hasn't had their a$$ handed to them by the cooler members here - should they try to lay out ridiculous advice or obvious self promotion.

Also, for me, I look the most at the time people have spent here - both giving and receiving advice. If I see someone with 5 posts but they have been here since Miami Vice was on the air, I will give them some serious lattitude - for these are the wise and silent ones - and normally what they say is nothing short of brilliant.

However, if someone is trying to tell me how to spam via a bluehat technique on some goobers advice, and they have 8 posts and joined 5 minutes ago, well let's just say I tend to ignore them.

Or else I give them the dreaded infraction.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by BlackWaterBlog

This. However, high post counts doesn't mean the member is well respected too. He or she could turn out to be a complete self-centered jerk.

I've been on some forums where people with high post counts constantly bashed on the people with lesser counts.

It's sad really, why take things like post count so serious in the first place?

Agreed, that's why I suggest that if people want a better way to judge someone they should do so by actually reading the posts people make rather than just looking at the number of posts.

[Kay King]

Did the member break a forum rule - or did you issue an infraction because you didn't like what he said? If the latter, you shouldn't be surprised when he slaps back about it.

You made a judgment about something he posted to someone else - and he then made a judgment about your participation. Sounds like you're even.

On the plus side, you just made your first post of more than a couple lines. On the minus side, it was a rant. Post count doesn't matter much - post content does.

kay

[ExRat]

Hi Onslaught,

I was just noticing a lot of so called "ballers" on here post 30-50 posts per day. Not short ones either...

What time do we work? It is far easier to be a know-it-all rather than
a do-it-all.

The fact you have 11 posts after a year shows your focus. Learn then apply.

I disagree. It's actually far easier to be a do-it-all.

If you try and be a know-it-all but it's just a front, you'll get stomped by a real know-it-all. The only way to be a genuine IM know-it-all is to have 'done-it-all'.

If you try and help people (whether it's about a specific task they can't do, or if it's explaining to them how to behave more wisely in order to get more help), call out BS, or just generally share good advice that others are charging for - you leave yourself wide open to criticism, especially the easy-to-make claim that you're 'trying to be a know-it-all.'

So perhaps a good guage of someone's contribution here is to look at what they do here and see how much of it is promotional compared to how much of it would fall into the 'thankless task' category. How much do they give and how much do they take? Are they trying to educate people, develop their own initiative and learn to self-educate? Are they providing short cuts for others that they have found the hard way for no reward?

Before people are too quick to to find criticism for those with high post count, and full of praise for those with low post and therefore 'focus', perhaps you should consider the above.

I see a ton of people here who only ever take, but don't appear to feel that they should ever give back. There is absolutely no mention or suggestion in the OP's post that there is any consideration of 'giving back', although he does give thanks for all the help that he has received.

There is no requirement here to 'give back' - it's a public forum - you don't need to sign up to read it all. But as a parent, I know the importance of setting a good example, even when you think that no-one is looking.

I suspect there are some around here who would learn a lot by showing their gratitude for the existence of this information resource with more than just a 'thankyou'. Instead they should try and do what needs to be done to maintain the standards here when they are under threat - like moderating, explaining things to people, offering their knowledge for no reward, protecting the more vulnerable people by calling others out.

It's a virtually thankless task and I guarantee that 99% of people wouldn't enjoy the consequences and the inevitable backlash from snotty anonymous entities.

The OP said -

One last point is that my time is limited in this forum due to me taking action on what I have gained from the IM community

There's something about that statement that sounds really selfish. Peter Gibson made some good points in #32 - thanks. I've been called a troll many times here and sometimes I've been guilty of it. But the times when I wasn't, demonstrate to me just how easy it is to throw that barb at the people who are going out on a limb to show their thanks for what they have received, rather than just saying it.

[Kevin Riley]

Originally Posted by Scott Ames

I'm amused when someone thinks I know everything just because of my post count. Ask my wife, that isn't true.

Wait a minute! That's my wife.

The OP's sub line is way too true for comfort. Look at my ridiculous post count (only made to look less ridiculous by the prodigious postings of Wags). How many of those were garnered in the days when Off Topic posts counted? Far too many to make me look like a sane or sensible human being.

There goes my wife, agreeing with me

[George Wright]

David,

66 posts in 7 years. Quit running up your post count!

George Wright

Originally Posted by David A Smith

Not me!

Did I just make a post?

Just kidding, it takes all kinds to make a community. Post when you feel
like it and don't when you don't.

I enjoy reading them all.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by peter gibson

1. Some of the senior cats on this forum have no problem calling out an idiot. I'm thinking Steve W., Exrat,

Hey - you can't call Steve W and Exrat idiots.

I'm giving you an infraction.

Harvey

[JeffLam]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Not fine with me! I want 14,000 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's why I am responding here with plenty enough content to be considered a valid response, but at the same time not offering any true value whatsoever. It's really not hard to do if you sit down and think about the whole process of posting on Internet bulletin boards.

I sincerely hope that each and every one of you who are taking the time to read this particular thread in the forum can understand exactly what I am attempting to accomplish by writing this post.

Thanks for listening to what I had to say about this topic because not many people listen to what I have to say - and when they do it just makes my whole day, and if you've ever had someone make YOUR day then you know exactly what I'm talking about, right?

That's another one! Whew - only twelve and a half thousand more to go...

With all due respect,
AL

I LAUGHED out loud!

Anyways yeah I understand what you mean exactly though. It's really quite easy to make a long enough post without any substantial content.

That being said, I feel that post counts DO matter: thats probably why forums everywhere shows that stat! More post count = more time spent in this forum = higher chances of more exposure and experience and knowledge = more reputable.

UNLESS, that person is notorious of being a jerk.

However thanks to this forums, the stat for being thanked is a great tool to show a poster's reputation.

[John Taylor]

Post count on it's own is not a useful
indicator, it's just a number.

However, when you see someone
with less than 30 posts contributing
nothing but one-liners in a short period
of time it alerts you to a potential
problem.

We can't eliminate post count, simply
because there are rules conditional
upon it.

John

[jasonl70]

one of the things cool about this forum is that post counts aren't such a big deal when compared to other forums.
New members may seem to think differently when they are called out for giving bad advice, but as far as I am concerned that is just an excuse for their ignoring what's being said.

[nitinjain]

Since i was new to this forum what does the posts count really mean to. Does it give any credit to our contribution. I don't think so..

[Kevin Riley]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Post count on it's own is not a useful
indicator, it's just a number.

And, as we can all see, post count hasn't made John Taylor any smarter or any better looking.

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

And, as we can all see, post count hasn't made John Taylor any smarter or any better looking.

That's because it's impossible to improve on perfection
but I can see why you'd be so jealous. I mean you look
like a talent scout for a cemetery.

John

[Martin Luxton]

One thing about having a high post count which includes many 'giving/contributing' posts is that, when you post one-liners, you are not perceived as a spammer.

High post count is important, not for the number, per se, but because it means you have a public, checkable track record. People can look through your previous posts and get a feel for you as a person. It also gives people a chance to look for inconsistencies that could be a red flag.

High post count + non-giving/negativity = Don't trust
High post count + giving/quality = Trust (with caution)

One person mentioned that people with a high post count look down on those with few posts to their name. I would appreciate some concrete examples of this.

What some might see as patronising behaviour might be nothing more than trying to teach something in an indirect way.

One thing that everybody on a forum has to bear in mind is that words are very powerful and, once released, they are on the internet forever. During my anti-guru phase, I said some things in anger that make me squirm when I come across them again.

This is why experienced members are often so quick to jump on sloppy thinking, misinformation and clueless rants. It's a kind of tough love. There's a lesson to be learnt for those who want to find it.

Martin

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

One person mentioned that people with a high post count look down on those with few posts to their name. I would appreciate some concrete examples of this.

I recall Steven Wagenheim (12,000 posts) arguing with Paul Myers (7,000 posts)

Harvey

[SusanneUK]

Originally Posted by ExRat

There is no requirement here to 'give back' - it's a public forum - you don't need to sign up to read it all. But as a parent, I know the importance of setting a good example, even when you think that no-one is looking.

Roger that highlighted bit above, so very true.. 100% agree with that, from experience as a parent and a grandparent.

Sorry for not adding value to this thread either but I just wanted to highlight that statement, brilliant!

Sue

[Anthony Lex]

Quote:
One last point is that my time is limited in this forum due to me taking action on what I have gained from the IM community

There's something about that statement that sounds really selfish.

It wasn't my intention for that to come across as being selfish, I just meant that all of us are in different circumstances in our businesses. I don't have much free time to contribute to the forum as I would like to as my focus is elsewhere.

I like to use this forum to discover more about the IM world, so I do more lurking than conrtibuting to this forum. When I can get my business to the point where I have more free time I would like to contribute more, and give back to this community.

I remember watching Eben Pagan speaking during a mass control seminar and he said that we need to be more selfish, when we can give more time for ourselves we will in turn have more to give to others. So I guess I'am being pretty selfish at the moment.

[peterzhang]

There is no direct correlation between value and post count. It just shows post activity. Nothing more than that.

I agree with this statement. No matter how many posts you added, you share with people valuable information or knowledge, then it's appreciated!

[Martin Luxton]

Originally Posted by aamccall

I remember watching Eben Pagan speaking during a mass control seminar and he said that we need to be more selfish, when we can give more time for ourselves we will in turn have more to give to others. So I guess I'am being pretty selfish at the moment.

There is another aspect to contributing to forums that you could classify as selfish.

Before I joined the WF, I thought I was a pretty good writer.

Wrong!

Over the last 3 years, mostly through posting here, my writing skills have improved immensely. And, through interacting with people like Paul Myers and ExRat, I became a much better thinker with the ability to construct a logical argument.

Yes, on the one hand, I spent too much time here that I could have spent on my business. On the other hand, I cannot regret it because I learnt so much about writing (and life).

Martin

[Paul Myers]

Anthony,

I appreciate your desire to do something to give back to the group. A lot of people get the benefits you talk about, and never feel that urge. That's fine, but they're just spectators as far as this community goes. You've taken a step beyond that. Thank you, and welcome aboard.

I've long been an advocate of the idea that post count means nothing more than how much someone posts. There's one aspect of that which I don't recall seeing brought up before: Limits.

There are things about this business that very few people know as well as I do, and there are parts about which I know virtually nothing. For example, we have thousands of members who know more about web design and graphic editing than me. If one assumes post count to mean something, one could easily give me more credit on one or another area than my knowledge warrants.

It gets even more granular than that. For instance, I'm a fair writer, and have written thousands of articles in my time. I used article marketing back before there was a term for it, and did it in ways that most of today's article marketers couldn't touch. There are aspects of the way it's done now, though, that other people here, folks like Allen Graves or Steven Wagenheim, know far more about than I do.

It is nearly certain that you have skills that I haven't learned.

Relying on raw post count as an indicator of specific knowledge is not only foolish, it's downright dangerous.


Paul

[ExRat]

Hi aamccall,

We all don't have time to post to this forum.

But you do have time. You found time to start a new thread entitled 'who the hell cares about post counts!!!'

The whole crux of the post is to emphasis this point -

all i'm looking for is recognition that there are still good guys and gals out there who simply want to learn, or are putting time and effort into their own businesses. We all don't have time to post to this forum.

In brief - People who simply want to learn, put effort into their business, but don't have time to post are good guys/gals too.

I don't think you are so good. That's my point. You have two things right -

a) wanting to learn

b) working on your business

There is no c) give back in order to sustain the thing which helped you to - 'learn so much in such a short time' and 'achieve your goals in life'.

Don't you see that everything you wrote actually DOES emphasize the importance of post count (or more accurately, making some valuable posts - whatever the number.)

This thread has no value. In fact it's less than value-less. It's unhelpful, negative and twisted.

A question for you -

Those posts that you read that helped you to 'learn so much' and 'achieve your goals' - where did they come from?

Did Eben Pagan write them once he had found success?

No. He found other things to do like selling more information and making more money. But in fairness to him, he's not in here ranting and whingeing.

This -

When I can get my business to the point where I have more free time I would like to contribute more, and give back to this community.

...is a bare-faced outright lie. If you couldn't find the time to contribute while you were extracting valuable information, what on earth makes you think that we believe that you're suddenly going to switch into non-selfish mode when you find success and free time?

And to offer this as justification -

I remember watching Eben Pagan speaking during a mass control seminar and he said that we need to be more selfish, when we can give more time for ourselves we will in turn have more to give to others. So I guess I'am being pretty selfish at the moment.

Ummm...do you know what 'mass control' means? If so, why are you quoting what someone said there about being selfish as if it's some kind of justification?

If EVERYONE took your approach, how many pages of information would there be on this forum? None. Because we'd all be busy 'paying it backward.'

Do I have a particular gripe with anyone who doesn't contribute? No. As I said in my previous post there is no requirement to contribute. But when they have the audacity to come here and unload their negativity in a scattergun manner because someone dared to PM them after receiving an infraction, and justify this by saying 'I'm too busy to post here' - well I have a gripe with them, yes.

You start a new thread to have a rant at someone and tell them to get a life, and then to say the things you have done along with it, which in turn has led to others coming along and 'having their say' about how value-less post count is, along with the insinuations that obviously emanate from their comments (example - 'know-it-all' comments) totally pisses me off and compels me to point out all of the holes in your logic and justification. I don't ask for any gratitude if I have ever made a helpful post, although it is appreciated if I get it.

But I think a bit more respect is due to the people who helped you to learn and achieve your goals. They may not be high post count warriors, but they obviously didn't have the same values as you otherwise their assistance would never have been there for you in the first place.

I hope you realise that regardless of your gracious thankyous, the sum total of your effort here (apart from wasting pixels and encouraging others to have a selfish attitude) is simply to give those helpful people who helped you without recompense, reason to think twice before taking time away from their businesses to do the same thing again.

So in fact, you have actually proven that the person's comment in the private message was correct and that low post count CAN indicate something important. Nice epic fail.

People like you suck the life and the goodness out of communities. Get a life yourself - and while you're at it, get rid of your ENTITLEMENT ATTITUDE.

[Eric Lorence]

Too many posts may also mean they have too much time on their hands...

The forum is nice, and a serious hobby for some, but reading and posting takes time.

I have to imagine many are too busy running their business to spend that much time here.

Just do a search for the countless members who cut their time on the forum to focus on doing exactly what this forum is about... making money.

[Anthony Lex]

My reason for this post may have been taken out of context, as I didn't mean to cause offence. All I was doing was trying to get across that those with low post counts have many reasons for not posting, at least three people here found the thread meaningful.

To everyone else sorry for posting the thread if you have been offended and have found this thread a waste of pixels. I should have posted this in the off topic forum.

Back to lurking me thinks.