War room.... why should I join? Whats the best thing you have gained from your membership?

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Been lurking on this forum and BHW for a while now (about a year) and am so overwhelmed by the info that I have yet to put anything into practice.

During this time i have learned how to use Wordpress and have practiced a lot and made some pretty decent looking sites.

Anyway I am at a loss at what to do next, was thinking about paying for Affillorama or wealthy affiliate. I joined Chris Farrell membership for a month and went through most of the videos but to be honest I pretty much knew everything he was telling me just from info i'd picked up on this forum. This has put me off joining those two because i think it may be more of the same. Am I right? or is there more info on there?

Thinking about joining the war room
What i am looking for is a step by step solid method to making money online. I dont expect to be rich over night and am willing to put the work in. However I really find the whole SEO thing gives me a headache (no idea how it works or how to begin) so was looking for a good way to be spoon fed how to do it or better yet a way to earn without it ;-)

Was hoping the War room may be able to help
Is it worth it?
What are the benefits?

PS
I have money to invest just dont want to waste it
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  • Profile picture of the author komrad2
    If you're already overwhelmed it might be better to hold off joining the War Room until you've put some action into something

    Other than that, the War Room is a one-time purchase and contains valuable stuff every now and then so it's definitely worth it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by komrad2 View Post

      Other than that, the War Room is a one-time purchase and contains valuable stuff every now and then so it's definitely worth it.
      The War Room isn't a "one-time purchase". It's a yearly fee of $97.
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      • Profile picture of the author komrad2
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        The War Room isn't a "one-time purchase". It's a yearly fee of $97.
        oops, sorry bout that. Some things have changed around here
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Here's my take on the War Room:

    I've yet to find a golden method amongst the War Room pages, but I look at those pages a little like a filmmaker reading Variety: they go some way to keeping you updated on the industry. This is not a mastermind group we're talking about; it's more a place to absorb tidbits of information from myriad locations. A great many of the methods are obsolete, more still are merely there to garner subscribers, but taken as a whole I'd say it's a worthwhile investment. You want to make movies? Keep tabs on the industry with Variety. An internet marketer? War Room.

    I make it my business to know methods, and actually have a team who help me do so, and while War Room is not really the place to learn a killer method, it is a rather good place to become better at what you do. Think of it more like osmosis.

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  • Profile picture of the author bostjan33
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    Well, to be brutally honest. First, try to build a couple of projects and learn from mistakes. In the meanwhile, read a couple of zillion freely available content on authority sites across the web.
    Then, if you still wanna spend money for something that you can get elsewhere for free, by all means, do it.
    But, you'd be better off paying me a cup of coffee than paying for CF membership or other braindead spoon-fed, lazy boy nurturing BS content. This way, you'll only lose a lot of money and make someone else rich.
    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Douglas
    Thanks for the quick replies

    I just feel like i need a plan to follow. I keep jumping from thread to thread, idea to idea and can't make a solid decision on where to start. I actually started to make my own blog in the "make money online" niche but i stopped after creating a cpl of posts. I am thinking about going back to it and writing an ebook to give away in exchange for sign up to my list.

    have a look at Guru in trainingGuru in training -

    let me know what u think?

    should i continue with this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by bigdougie View Post

      should i continue with this?
      No; definitely not. It would be dramatically stacking the deck against yourself and a huge time-suck with very little (if any) rewards.

      Many thousands of people have tried this exact idea. Almost none of them has been successful with it and there are reasons for that.

      Starting off in MMO-related niches is the single commonest mistake that aspiring marketers make, and the single commonest reason for their collective failures.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Douglas
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        No; definitely not. It would be dramatically stacking the deck against yourself and a huge time-suck with very little (if any) rewards.

        Many thousands of people have tried this exact idea. Almost none of them has been successful with it and there are reasons for that.

        Starting off in MMO-related niches is the single commonest mistake that aspiring marketers make, and the single commonest reason for their collective failures.

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        Thats exactly why I stopped.

        Do u think that creating a blog in another niche say weight loss and using the same technique is a better plan?

        What did u think of the site anyway?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by bigdougie View Post

          Do u think that creating a blog in another niche say weight loss and using the same technique is a better plan?
          Miles better.

          I don't mean weight-loss specifically (that's perhaps even one to avoid?), but "a non-MMO, non-IM niche", anyway.

          (Not quite sure what you mean by "using the same technique", above ... but if you're referring to a "follow/join my progress" site, yes, that can work in some niches, but it's giving yourself an extra credibility hurdle to negotiate successfully. Be very aware that what produces affiliate sales is trust, respect and credibility - not "websites" per se!!).

          Originally Posted by bigdougie View Post

          What did u think of the site anyway?
          Better not to ask, sorry: I don't want to offend you, Dougie. I'm not really as acerbic and rude (at weekends, anyway) as I sometimes sound, here ...

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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
          Originally Posted by bigdougie View Post

          Thats exactly why I stopped.

          Do u think that creating a blog in another niche say weight loss and using the same technique is a better plan?

          What did u think of the site anyway?
          I hope you don't mind me chipping in; since it was addressed to Lexy and not myself.

          Forget the platform you use for now. Think backwards. Think backwards and think specifically. There is a chap out there who wants to lose weight, another who wants to get a date, another who wants to improve his golf swing. Where does he hang out? Are there many locations? Out of those locations is there much competition for his attention? No? Keep a note of those places. Now ask yourself this: what is the best way for me to solve his problem? Should I refer him to a site or my own product? If so, how? Through a landing page or a blog or a course or a coaching program or, or, or, or? In short: reverse the equation.

          The biggest mistake I see newbies making is putting up a blog and working their butt off adding content. It hardly ever pans out. If you build it, they will come - that's a great line for a movie; but I prefer this one: They're out there. Go get 'em.

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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Am inspired by Tom's kind post, above, to "try harder".

            Let me see if I can say something specific which might be helpful, here: your site's opt-in has some big problems, which you should change on "a new site".

            (i) It's in the wrong place on the page (top-right or top-left will almost certainly convert better)

            (ii) It's a funny color (sounds like a weird point, I know, but these things can matter, and my feeling about the overall color/design of your page was kind of "Right out of the 1990's!")

            (iii) Almost nobody opts in for "updates when I publish new content": their thinking is "I can look and see that for myself" (though they don't, usually, and you lose them if they don't opt in). You need a prominently incentivized, precisely targeted opt-in, for people to opt in, and whatever you use, it needs to serve ALL these purposes, if you want to monetize the list

            (iv) You don't need names - just email addresses. Explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7934937

            But I think the reassurance you're offering about "spam etc.", right under your opt-in, is good, well-worded and much better than most I see. Don't lose that!


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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Douglas
            Originally Posted by Where does he hang out? Are there many locations? Out of those locations is there much competition for his attention? No? Keep a note of those places.

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            I see what you're saying but using that as a guide then I cant move forward. There are literally thousands of sites already created where people 'hang out' for every possible niche i can think of. weight loss, gambling, anxiety, golf swing problems

            I will never be able to compete from a standing start with some of the major sites that cover these issues. This seems to be my problem where i am at at the moment, I don't understand how or why people would come to me when there is already too much information plastered all over the internet for ANY given subject
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
              Originally Posted by bigdougie View Post

              I see what you're saying but using that as a guide then I cant move forward. There are literally thousands of sites already created where people 'hang out' for every possible niche i can think of. weight loss, gambling, anxiety, golf swing problems

              I will never be able to compete from a standing start with some of the major sites that cover these issues. This seems to be my problem where i am at at the moment, I don't understand how or why people would come to me when there is already too much information plastered all over the internet for ANY given subject
              You misunderstand; my fault for not explaining properly.

              Million years ago, clever guy comes up with the Bum Marketing Method. I say "comes up with" but what he actually did was bottle up - very nicely, though - a preexisting method. Worked like this: Instead of trying to rank a website for a popular term, you ranked hundreds of articles for low-hanging fruit terms and, taken in their entirely, all those terms could amount to a pretty decent chunk of traffic; considerably more, say, than if I'd you'd opted to rank that website for the one term. Times change (in this business, that's perhaps the most important term to know), and the method lost it's effectiveness.

              But the general principle of it will always hold.

              Every product or service has roads along which you, as a marketer, can walk and successfully receive whatever it is you want: some form of action that leads to remuneration. (Think of it like trees of fruit along the roadside.) Some roads are dense with other marketers; others, not so dense. The key is acknowledging your own strengths and, on any given road, deciding if you can push others aside and lead the pack (picking up most of the fruit as you do) or, and this is the most common, finding quiet roads where the fruit - if you reach out - often falls into your hands. In the real world, this translates like this: As marketers, we all scatter across the internet trying to generate desirable actions in consumers, and some internet locations are too competitive for us to be effective at it, whereas others have less competition or none at all. The trick, for the beginner or the veteran marketer, is to penetrate these markets (to walk these roads) where the most fruit is likely to be taken, given our own unique strengths and the strength of those marketers around us.

              Back in the primordial days of Bum Marketing, some marketers found it easy to rank (in 48 hours or less) articles for low-competition terms. They found their easy-to-walk roads. And if you look, and I do every day, such roads exist all over the place; they're an often interconnected network that spans the entire internet, reaching through Google, Yahoo, Bing, and Facebook, and Twitter, and LinkedIn, and G+, right across Youtube and DailyMotion, and on and on and on, from one end of the network, circling and circling.

              So.

              Don't throw up a blog and add content. As Willy Wonka would say: "Reverse that." Find out the problems people want to solve (loneliness, poor golf swing), find out where they exist online and offline, find out how much competition exists on each platform, given your strengths and the strengths of other marketers, and work out how best to exist on each platform and where to send each person in order to have their problem solved most effectively.

              Maybe you find out that MMORPG gamers want to learn how to design mods and a good informational product exists for it but you see no mention of it on forums or groups or in Yahoo answers or for some killer PPC terms. Maybe a new dating site for golfing enthusiasts lands on your network and you notice how easy it would be to rank for the appropriate terms with a video or two (or two hundred). Maybe a new product lands on the market that can truly (truly) help work at home moms to make $100 a week from home and yet you notice no product reviews ranking well or you notice no mention of it on WAHM mailing lists or no talk on G+ or FB groups or no FB page dedicated to it.

              Opportunities exist everywhere. Seize them.

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            • Profile picture of the author kilgore
              Originally Posted by bigdougie View Post

              I will never be able to compete from a standing start with some of the major sites that cover these issues. This seems to be my problem where i am at at the moment, I don't understand how or why people would come to me when there is already too much information plastered all over the internet for ANY given subject
              I just wanna say that from my perspective you're asking exactly the right questions. Why would someone go to you? What can you offer that the major (and even minor) sites can't? This is a great place to start -- and questions like these are really the foundation of any successful business, whether online or offline.

              It may seem daunting to compete with the major sites -- and you're absolutely right that it's not easy -- but it's certainly possible. For instance, think about the lion and the vulture. One might think that there's no way they should be able to coexist: the lion is bigger, stronger and could kill the vulture with a swipe of its paw. Moreover, they often eat exactly the same kinds of food, so at first glance it would seem that they're competing for the same resources. But of course, they're not. The lion isn't really interested in the small pieces of meat that get stuck to bones nor all the nasty animal parts that I won't mention. The vulture, on the other hand, is interested in everything the lion ignores and moreover, it's specially adapted to take advantage of the lions' leavings.

              That, in essence, is what niche marketing is. You find a way to position yourself and adapt your business so that even as you're targeting the same customers that the major sites do either (a) you're not really competing with them or (b) your adaptations have enabled you to actually serve your smaller subset of customers better than the major sites are able to.

              As a real-life example, check out KenRockwell.com: Photography, Cameras and Taking Better Pictures. This is a site to help you buy digital cameras, specifically Nikon digital cameras. It's really ugly: to me it looks like it hasn't changed much since it was started in 1999. Additionally, it's not really all that user friendly: it has no search and there isn't really a good way to sort through all the products.

              So why would anyone go to this guy's site instead of just going to Adorama or Amazon? Because to some people -- my guess is amateur Nikon photographers like me who (a) think they're better than they really are and (b) have extra money to throw around -- find it really, really useful. His reviews are well-written, informative and honest. He both knows his stuff and is great at presenting his knowledge in a way that people like me (who like to think we know a lot but really don't) can understand.

              I'm not bringing up Ken Rockwell because I think you should necessarily follow his model. (Actually, I normally find "review sites" useless -- precisely because they don't have the quality and honesty that Rockwell does.) But I do think his site is a great example of how he was able to successfully bite off a chunk of a pretty lucrative market (believe me, even amateur photographers are often willing to spend a lot of money!) using his particular talents, skills and interests. Moreover, he's done it in a way that a site like Amazon could never really do well. Amazon's competitive advantages are (1) that they sell just about everything and (2) that they will get your purchases to your doorstep really, really fast. It's really not in their business model to become experts for every product they sell -- and that's where Rockwell was able to find his niche.

              To sum up, I think it's great that you're asking what I think to be the right questions -- this already puts you ahead of most of the people who stumble upon the WF. But the hard part is answering them. And to a large extent, this is something you'll have to do for yourself: nobody knows you and your capabilities better than you do. Of course, the even harder part is implementing your answers... But maybe we should just take one step at a time...

              Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaolinsteve
      Originally Posted by bigdougie View Post

      Thanks for the quick replies

      I just feel like i need a plan to follow. I keep jumping from thread to thread, idea to idea and can't make a solid decision on where to start. I actually started to make my own blog in the "make money online" niche but i stopped after creating a cpl of posts. I am thinking about going back to it and writing an ebook to give away in exchange for sign up to my list.

      have a look at Guru in trainingGuru in training -

      let me know what u think?

      should i continue with this?
      Information overload is a bummer, but at least you're starting to realize that you need to implement a plan and stick to it. You're making a good start, but I think you're going to want to change the idea of representing learn as I do too. People want to look up to people more successful than themselves. Just keep moving forward and implement the necessities as you keep moving, but you'll want to eventually take leadership and if you're coming across someone who doesn't know what they're doing, it's going to be very difficult to gain followers.
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