Beware the SYSTEM...one size does NOT fit all.

9 years ago

Good stuff here. I believe the reason there is such a high failure rate with IM is because most products and courses are sold with the promise of fast riches. So, when you buy a course and take action and you find that a month has passed and you haven't made a cent, you automatically believe that the product doesn't work or its a scam. The reality is, IM requires certain skills to get fast success. If you don't have the necessary skills to do things quickly, success won't come as fast as you were led to believe.

However, if you have the right guidance and work ethic you can be successful quickly, but you have to find a business model that compliments your current skills and character traits. For example, if you're impatient, stay away from SEO. If you're creative, you might want to get into product creation. If you're a people person then you might enjoy social media and forum marketing.

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Rory Singh

9 years ago

Yes 'One' size does not fit all.

But I have become successful with systems that were not a complete fit.

Why?

Look, the system does need to make you excited or 'enthusiastic' enough for you to run with it and take 'massive' action.

But on the deeper level, You as a person, have to grow into 'bigger' shoes.

You have to 'grow' into an 'Entrepreneur' who is...

1- Focused

2- Clear - Really know what you are after [not just 'wishing for things willy nilly]

3- Remove Blocks [remove negative thinking patterns that most people are used to]

4- Mindset [you need a success mindset and know that you will get paid for efforts instead of time]

5- Surround Yourself With 'Like Minded Entrepreneurs' [Plug into the successful people in that particular system, success is an energy that you need to catch up 'vibrationally with, you need to feed off successful people ]

6- IPA's [put aside a specific amount of time 4 - 6 hours per day (or more) doing 'Income Producing Activities'. Stuff like creating targeted traffic ETC]

7- Be Disciplined

8- Be Consistent

9- Believe in Yourself

10- Patient [Be patient with yourself because this is a process that most people are not accustomed to]

So yes a System needs to be a match but you also need to get up to the speed of 'success'.

And...

Sadly most people are not willing to let 'old beliefs, patterns and ways of doing things behind.

It usually takes 3 to 6 full months to make a 'breakthrough' with any opportunity know matter if it's a bit ticket or small low cost business model.

Size does not matter.

Big or Small investment needs the same effort to build. One is not easier than the other.

But the average new marketer usually quits after 3 months. Many never really get started. And this means doing doing Income Producing Activities for at least 4 to 6 hours per day in that time frame.

A 'Real' Marketer can market anything.

Even buckets of air!

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DaveSchwReno

9 years ago

Disclaimer: I AM an information product marketer, but I do not sell or produce "How to market" material. In other words, I don't have a horse in this race.

if I did it, so can you, just follow the system, it's that easy.

EASY and SUCCESS do not belong in the same sentence.

Yet with over 90% FAILURE rate in mlm and IM, something isn't right or else all the Warriors would be as successful as a Frank Kern type in IM or a Jody Victor type in MLM.

What is so surprising about 90% failure rate? Don't most businesses fail? Isn't there a figure out there somewhere that says something like 90% of all new businesses fail within 5 years?

The Point:

Does anyone reading this really believe that you can purchase a product for $7 or $17 or $770 or $7,700 that GUARANTEES success?

Listen - I am in the horse racing biz, where the failure rate is 99%. No joke. 1-in-100 are successful. Now, within my clients, the success rate is 20% - a 20x improvement - but that still leaves an 80% failure rate.

There will always be hucksters. My world is rife with the $77-get-rich-never-work-again crap.

About the only thing sillier is the guy that says you can succeed on 4 hours per week. Of course, he did not say that you could START with 4 hours per week.

Are there people "getting rich" only working 4 hours per week? Maybe, but I doubt it. Is it possible to build a team where the labor is done by your workforce and you only show up 4 hours per week? Probably, but you will need a pretty good manager to pull that off. I GUARANTEE it will take some SERIOUS EFFORT to reach that point.

So, why buy anything if it isn't going to make you rich?

Because we need knowledge! And this forum provides little pieces of that knowledge for an insanely small amount of money.

Just ignore the hype, spend a few bucks and learn something.

BTW, the #1 reason for failure is LACK OF TRYING!

How many websites have you built that didn't work?

When you built one and didn't get rich, what did you do?

1. Did you change something and see what happens or

2. Did you trash the whole thing and begin again?

If you did #2, then I GUARANTEE that success will not come your way.

Lastly, for those who are suffering from FAILURE TO ENGAGE - which means you just keep acquiring more knowledge without actually doing anything with it, JUST GO DO IT.

Okay, done with my rant.

Carry on.

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gjabiz

9 years ago

Originally Posted by DaveSchwReno

Disclaimer: I AM an information product marketer, but I do not sell or produce "How to market" material. In other words, I don't have a horse in this race.

EASY and SUCCESS do not belong in the same sentence.

Says who? First, both easy and success are determined by the person doing it.

What is so surprising about 90% failure rate? Don't most businesses fail? Isn't there a figure out there somewhere that says something like 90% of all new businesses fail within 5 years?

Where do you get this from? Cite me a source. NO, they don't, depends how they are figured and by whom. Just more "isnt there a figure out there?"...of course, you can say anything, but just because you accept it, doesn't make it true.

The Point:

Does anyone reading this really believe that you can purchase a product for $7 or $17 or $770 or $7,700 that GUARANTEES success?

I don't know,but neither do you. But there are a lot of 7 dollar products sold with money back guarantees and some Warriors who guarantee your success.

Listen - I am in the horse racing biz, where the failure rate is 99%. No joke. 1-in-100 are successful. Now, within my clients, the success rate is 20% - a 20x improvement - but that still leaves an 80% failure rate.

Yes, BUT, many people in racing are in it for TAX benefits and other reasons, not necessarily to own the next triple crown winner. 80% failure perhaps, but 98% have great accountants and an estate attorney, eh?

There will always be hucksters. My world is rife with the $77-get-rich-never-work-again crap.

About the only thing sillier is the guy that says you can succeed on 4 hours per week. Of course, he did not say that you could START with 4 hours per week.

Are there people "getting rich" only working 4 hours per week? Maybe, but I doubt it. Is it possible to build a team where the labor is done by your workforce and you only show up 4 hours per week? Probably, but you will need a pretty good manager to pull that off. I GUARANTEE it will take some SERIOUS EFFORT to reach that point.

So, why buy anything if it isn't going to make you rich?

Because we need knowledge! And this forum provides little pieces of that knowledge for an insanely small amount of money.

Just ignore the hype, spend a few bucks and learn something.

BTW, the #1 reason for failure is LACK OF TRYING!

How many websites have you built that didn't work?

When you built one and didn't get rich, what did you do?

1. Did you change something and see what happens or

2. Did you trash the whole thing and begin again?

If you did #2, then I GUARANTEE that success will not come your way.

Lastly, for those who are suffering from FAILURE TO ENGAGE - which means you just keep acquiring more knowledge without actually doing anything with it, JUST GO DO IT.

Okay, done with my rant.

Thanks for being done.

Carry on.

gjabiz Just do it has killed as many dreams as anything, the old fire, ready aim works very few people, say an unsubstantiated 90%?

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gjabiz

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Rory Singh

So yes a System needs to be a match but you also need to get up to the speed of 'success'.

A 'Real' Marketer can market anything.

Even buckets of air!

IF a person has all 10 items on YOUR list, then, yes, any system will do.

A very UNREALISTIC expectation for most newbies and probably for over 97% of all Warriors.

And this also sounds like more experiential bravado...as I stated.

"if I Rory can do it, so can you just follow my 10 point checklist and then do what I did"

nonsense.

gjabiz

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Rory Singh

9 years ago

Originally Posted by gjabiz

IF a person has all 10 items on YOUR list, then, yes, any system will do.

A very UNREALISTIC expectation for most newbies and probably for over 97% of all Warriors.

And this also sounds like more experiential bravado...as I stated.

"if I Rory can do it, so can you just follow my 10 point checklist and then do what I did"

nonsense.

gjabiz

1st -Newbies need to first stop calling themselves newbies and act like adults.

2nd - Yes the 10 point check list is something they need to do. If they had a job and the company started teaching them new things...they would learn them!

Because they want and 'expect' to be paid!

3- Yes (if Rory can do it, so can they because Rory used to drive an 18 wheeler semi truck and couldn't even copy and paste stuff before he came online.

So yes they can too!!

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gjabiz

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Rory Singh

1st -Newbies need to first stop calling themselves newbies and act like adults.

2nd - Yes the 10 point check list is something they need to do. If they had a job and the company started teaching them new things...they would learn them!

Because they want and 'expect' to be paid!

3- Yes (if Rory can do it, so can they because Rory used to drive an 18 wheeler semi truck and couldn't even copy and paste stuff before he came online.

So yes they can too!!

OK. Sure they can. I hope you get many a down line from here...we'll check back with them in a few months, fair enough?

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Rory Singh

9 years ago

Originally Posted by gjabiz

OK. Sure they can. I hope you get many a down line from here...we'll check back with them in a few months, fair enough?

gjabiz

And you're a 'Senior' Warrior Member?

You don't believe that if people can muster up enough 'will' to do something great, that they can't?

What a mindset.

Do you see the problem here?

This guy got pissed off because he started a thread and some of us don't agree with it.

Then he goes out 'trying' to bash them.

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gjabiz

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Rory Singh

And you're a 'Senior' Warrior Member?

You don't believe that if people can muster up enough 'will' to something great, that they can't?

What a mindset.

Do you see the problem here?

This guy got pissed off because he started a thread and some of us don't agree with it.

Then he goes out 'trying' to bash them.

I'm not bashing anyone. YOU and the others either sell a system, so you want to defend it, I get that, but the OP stands. It isn't about will power, we know that is an ineffective strategy for most people.

It is about aptitude and personality along with skill sets and desires.

Yes desire can be the key ingredient for some people...and in MLM, they would be better off with Amway, an established company which is proven.

I think YOU, Rory, are the one with thin skin here, cause, you have a MLM to tout.

gjabiz

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Rory Singh

9 years ago

Originally Posted by gjabiz

I'm not bashing anyone. YOU and the others either sell a system, so you want to defend it, I get that, but the OP stands. It isn't about will power, we know that is an ineffective strategy for most people.

It is about aptitude and personality along with skill sets and desires.

Yes desire can be the key ingredient for some people...and in MLM, they would be better off with Amway, an established company which is proven.

I think YOU, Rory, are the one with thin skin here, cause, you have a MLM to tout.

gjabiz

I wasn't touting anything. I am marketing an Internet Based System (affiliate marketing) and posted in regards to your thread.

My blog does target the Network Marketing niche, Yes!

But I am an affiliate marketer.

One size doesn't fit all (physically) but people will need to grow (mentally / internally) or else they won't be able to 'transition' into a successful entrepreneur.

I just looked up your statistics and it seems that you have a history of stirring up quotes on people who don't agree with your 'point of view'.

Look, you can't get everyone to agree with you no matter how bad you want them to.

Because not everyone will

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tudexo

9 years ago

I think it all boils down to whether or not the "buyer' has the same skill sets as the seller and of course whether or not a specific product (info product or coaching etc.) is capable enough to completely teach all that's there is to know about the system.

So, I think it's more of a responsibility of the seller to create products that not only give you the "money system", but also train you in everything - absolutely everything required to make the system work. That's one of those things that differentiates good products from the "magic bullet" type trash items.

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Jezreel Pigott 9 years ago

Marketing and Success as a whole require a persons willingness to make the necessary changes in their own personalities, habits and skill set in order to reach any substantial outcome.

Sometimes a persons unwillingness or inability to change themselves in order to "Fit" the system is the only thing hindering them from duplicating the results.

If the system works then the person buying that system should also go in knowing that they will more than likely have to change and improve themselves in order to properly execute the system and get the results.

Life, Marketing, Business and Relationships all have one thing in common, IF YOU CAN"T ADAPT TO THEIR CHANGES YOU WILL BE LEFT BEHIND!!!
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- discrat 9 years ago
  
  Yep I agree.
  
  I found out long ago just because someone says a System works for them and all you have to do is do what they do....well people have different skill sets and just following someone successful is definitely no fool proof way to be successful yourself.
  
  Do your homework and research
  
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  Anonymous Affiliate 9 years ago
  
  When will people realize that there's no such as a thing as a "system"? Either you have something to offer to the market, or you don't. And if you dont have anything worth marketing, then no magic "system" will make you money.
  
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gjabiz

9 years ago

Astonishing. Here you go ...a guy to prove us both WRONG.

Only $ 1425.00 and GUARANTEES SUCCESS.

So, maybe not for 7 bux, but for a thousand? Apparently so.

gjabiz

PS See his sig file for deal of century.
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Originally Posted by tudexo

I think it all boils down to whether or not the "buyer' has the same skill sets as the seller and of course whether or not a specific product (info product or coaching etc.) is capable enough to completely teach all that's there is to know about the system.

So, I think it's more of a responsibility of the seller to create products that not only give you the "money system", but also train you in everything - absolutely everything required to make the system work. That's one of those things that differentiates good products from the "magic bullet" type trash items.

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Thomas Michal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Roth

You should do this yourself. Your poor HTML website looks like a Kindergartener built it straight out of 1999. Plus, you clearly don't have the funds to hire someone skilled enough to build you a site that doesn't look like garbage. Please tell me more...you're clearly qualified to give business advice to anyone.

P.S. You should be very careful when telling someone to go F*** themselves...even when hiding behind an old computer screen. I'm sure you can't even afford a decent computer either. Be a shame if you got sued into poverty like Suzanne did.

Soooooo many people on here tout big $$$ but when you see their website it looks like is was built in 2002. I don't get it either.

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gjabiz

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Michal

Soooooo many people on here tout big $$$ but when you see their website it looks like is was built in 2002. I don't get it either.

You don't have to get it. I think you referring to a thread with "Roth" who mouthed off about Jim Straw, is this correct? He is to my recollection, the only Warrior I've told publicly to GFY.

As for being built in 2002, I was shooting for 1997.

So, judge results by what you THINK a site should look, quack quack,

more ignorant .cold rain and wind blowing...quack quack

gjabiz

PS. Have Roth come to Akron, or you too...and I'll tell him face to face exactly what I did on the forum...no hiding here,

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Roth

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Michal

Soooooo many people on here tout big $$$ but when you see their website it looks like is was built in 2002. I don't get it either.

It's because many people display this image that they're hidden millionaires and internet successes on the WF. There's a circle of them that tout big success but the only thing they're successful at is being on the WF all day every day like clockwork.

They preach success via outdated and inaccurate information - and anyone with real experience online can see through the ruse. And yes, if a site looks like it's from 1997-2002, then you can tell a few key observations about them.

1. They have little/no technical skills.
2. They have no money to hire someone to build a site that would actually convert visitors into customers.
3. They don't make money. A poor looking site doesn't make money. People judge a book by it's cover. That's why sites need to be clean and attractive. Not patchworks of HTML circa 2000.
4. They're not anyone you should listen to here.

You can also learn a lot by observing how often some people are online here at the WF...as well as their post counts.

1. Theyr'e on the WF all day every day.
2. The WF is there business model...if you can call it that.
3. They don't do much, if anything, outside the forum. They might act like they do...but they don't. Not anything good or worthwhile anyway.

I could name names but I'm not gonna break WF TOS. But just know that you can definitely make those observations of your own...and they're not inaccurate either.

Originally Posted by gjabiz

As for being built in 2002, I was shooting for 1997.

So, judge results by what you THINK a site should look, quack quack,

more ignorant .cold rain and wind blowing...quack quack

It's not what anyone thinks...it's what IS. Ugly HTML sites like yours don't make any money. That's a fact. You can lie to others but I see through you. Your WF "fame" is all you have.

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gjabiz 9 years ago

Today, it has been 6 months, right? Since you've become an HONEST Internet Marketer?

The 5 years before this, you were in bed with some gurus, who made you feel shame about what you were doing.

So, I congratulate you on your new found honesty. Care to name names of those guys you were an affiliate of, the ones you are trying to distance yourself from? If you are truly honest and transparent, you could save a lot of warrior's souls who are taking the path you took.

Here's a million dollar idea for you; Start a group Honest Internet Marketer's ANONYMOUS, a support group for people like yourself, who have seen the light,
Good job man, remember, take it one honest day at a time, you can do it.

gjabiz

Originally Posted by Roth

You can also learn a lot by observing how often some people are online here at the WF...as well as their post counts..

Really? You are posting 2.35 times PER DAY since joining. Me? One post every other day.

So what can we infer from this?
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Raydal

9 years ago

Well some may argue that all systems work but not everyone
is willing and able to work the system.

The definition of a system is like a formula or recipe. If you
burn hydrogen you get water because H(g) + O2(g) ==> H2O.
But this may lead to an explosion if not done right.

If you are an affiliate and conversion for PPC traffic from a certain
source has been tested at 2%, then even if you are new, if you
use the same PPC ads at the same source you should get 2% conversion.

Now, because you are new, you may not want to risk your ad money
long enough to see 2% overall conversion and may quit too early. So
the system didn't fail you but you failed to use the system.

-Ray Edwards

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9 years ago

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eac113

9 years ago

Most people can succeed with anything if they take the time to learn AND take action. That last part is where the massive failure rate in this industry comes from in my opinion.

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borsaronero

9 years ago

I think that the real secret is Consistency and get rid of Shiny objects, close facebook and every distraction and head down, work work work.

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DaveSchwReno

9 years ago

LOL - Well, Mr. G., I take it that you didn't agree with my thoughts on your post.

EASY and SUCCESS do not belong in the same sentence.

Says who? First, both easy and success are determined by the person doing it.

My own personal experience has indicated this but perhaps you have succeeded with ease.

What is so surprising about 90% failure rate? Don't most businesses fail? Isn't there a figure out there somewhere that says something like 90% of all new businesses fail within 5 years?

Where do you get this from? Cite me a source. NO, they don't, depends how they are figured and by whom. Just more "isnt there a figure out there?"...of course, you can say anything, but just because you accept it, doesn't make it true.

Let me google that for you

Well, apparently 90% IS too high.

Here's one that says that Information Businesses are at 63% failure in 4 years.
Startup Business Failure Rate By Industry | Statistic Brain

Does anyone reading this really believe that you can purchase a product for $7 or $17 or $770 or $7,700 that GUARANTEES success?

I don't know,but neither do you. But there are a lot of 7 dollar products sold with money back guarantees and some Warriors who guarantee your success.

Oh, please. Who "guarantees" your business will be a success?

Listen - I am in the horse racing biz, where the failure rate is 99%. No joke. 1-in-100 are successful. Now, within my clients, the success rate is 20% - a 20x improvement - but that still leaves an 80% failure rate.

Yes, BUT, many people in racing are in it for TAX benefits and other reasons, not necessarily to own the next triple crown winner. 80% failure perhaps, but 98% have great accountants and an estate attorney, eh?

The tax advantages went away in 1986. It is an ACCEPTED fact that 99% (or higher) LOSE MONEY on a long term basis. That number could be LOW.

Truth be told, I am very confused. You began this thread with the premise that BSOs were a bad idea. You even mentioned the 90% failure rate yourself.

From my way of thinking, I actually agreed with what you said.

What is your actual purpose in this thread?

But to be clear, I do disagree with the very premise. I think a few, handpicked BSOs are a great idea. The key is implementation.

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Matthew Trujillo

9 years ago

I know one thing, and that is this : There are people out their who hustle and go get it and their are those that stay on the sidelines and watch. Most people would rather sit back and watch others get in the field, when it comes down to actually performing the tasks most people never do anything. A lot of people also buy into get rich quick mode too which they jump around forever from one shiny object to the next. The truth is though, there is a lot of quality training out there, not all of it is MLM/junk/hype, for example a lot of people do a good job teaching internet marketing , many found on this forum. But if you tell a lot of people they actually have to "work" they shy away. But yet you can have some MLM "Guru" who is seen driving in a Ferrari in Miami and people love to buy into hype, but can these "gurus" walk the walk? Or are they all talk? Is their training actionable? The real truth is that many of these "Guru's" are famous for their hype not for their actual work in educating people in internet marketing. So their are a lot of snake oil salesman out there, but not all are bad. If your true intentions are to truly help people online , you will make it far in this business.. Long term success and good reputation should be a #1 priority.

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