THIS REALLY TICS ME OFF

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Im tired of "gurus" saying well you have to invest money to make money.

Just spoke with one guy trying to push ipas2/empower on me.

I told him I was taking the trial, but deciding not to continue with it (already signed up with someone else before him).

He was like well so you gotta spend a fortune to get into empower. Its worth it whats the matter you don't want to make money or my sponser pushing me to stay , spend the 47.00 a month and push people into the program, get tiny commissions until I can sign up for empower and lose all the people who willl sign up for more over me.

I said I dont have the money. Other people in other programs have said if you want it badly enough you will find a way, like sell your car, donate blodd, etc...
These people really tic me off. they are not interested in helping you build a business only lining their pockets. If that is the mindeset, I don't want to join these people.

just my opionion
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    So you are offering to give your WSO away for free so that all the people with no money can build a business?

    If not, you are being hypocritical.

    Just saying.

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    Originally Posted by blueonblue View Post

    Im tired of "gurus" saying well you have to invest money to make money.

    Just spoke with one guy trying to push ipas2/empower on me.

    I told him I was taking the trial, but deciding not to continue with it (already signed up with someone else before him).

    He was like well so you gotta spend a fortune to get into empower. Its worth it whats the matter you don't want to make money or my sponser pushing me to stay , spend the 47.00 a month and push people into the program, get tiny commissions until I can sign up for empower and lose all the people who willl sign up for more over me.

    I said I dont have the money. Other people in other programs have said if you want it badly enough you will find a way, like sell your car, donate blodd, etc...
    These people really tic me off. they are not interested in helping you build a business only lining their pockets. If that is the mindeset, I don't want to join these people.

    just my opionion
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    • Profile picture of the author dana67
      I agree blueonblue.

      There are so many free opportunities to make money, or opportunities that have a very small start up cost. It may take some money to make money, but why should anyone have to pay a big up front fee?
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  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    Originally Posted by blueonblue View Post

    ...spend the 47.00 a month and push people into the program, get tiny commissions until I can sign up for empower and lose all the people who willl sign up for more over me.

    I said I dont have the money.
    You can't afford $47 a month, but you have no problem selling a WSO with this claim:

    Originally Posted by blueonblue View Post

    NOW EASILY CREATE INFO PRODUCTS FOR TRUCKLOADS OF MONEY
    If anyone has a right to be ticked off, I'd say it's the buyers of your WSO. Obviously you're not making "truckloads of money" (or much at all) with the product you're selling to others.

    Talk about hypocrisy...
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by blueonblue View Post

    ...These people really tic me off. they are not interested in helping you build a business only lining their pockets. If that is the mindeset, I don't want to join these people.
    I can't understand why you would want to join these people if you already have an info-product to sell (via your signature). You already have the *knowledge* on "easy product creation". Why not market your info-product solely on your website and promote it... much in the same way that empower network would have you market their product?
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    • Profile picture of the author Roth
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      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      So you are offering to give your WSO away for free so that all the people with no money can build a business?

      If not, you are being hypocritical.

      Just saying.

      Mark
      Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

      You can't afford $47 a month, but you have no problem selling a WSO with this claim:



      If anyone has a right to be ticked off, I'd say it's the buyers of your WSO. Obviously you're not making "truckloads of money" (or much at all) with the product you're selling to others.

      Talk about hypocrisy...
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      I can't understand why you would want to join these people if you already have an info-product to sell (via your signature). You already have the *knowledge* on "easy product creation". Why not market your info-product solely on your website and promote it... much in the same way that empower network would have you market their product?
      Apart from the above comments, I'll also add that it DOES take money to make money.
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      • Profile picture of the author 9AppAve
        Originally Posted by Roth View Post

        Apart from the above comments, I'll also add that it DOES take money to make money.
        Yes, I love people who have the balls to say this, the biggest problem I see on this board is people debating whether or not to buy a $7 WSO, asking 100 questions debating over there 7$ if that is an issue, well.....

        Regardless whether the WSO has worth if your debating over $7, how are you going to start / run / fund any business ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Geeked Labs
    They might "piss you off" but those people are right. You do need money to make money. Plenty of money. Several hundred dollars over the course of time to be more specific. I suggest you get a job to bootstrap your entrepreneurial efforts or just give up trying to be an entrepreneur.
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  • Profile picture of the author aarthielumalai
    Well, I don't exactly agree with the fact that it takes money to make money. I made my first dollar without spending any money. First $20 to be exact.

    Some methods require you to spend money upfront, and some don't, but if you're not spending money, you have to spend a lot of your time. Haven't you heard of the saying, Time = Money? If you spend some money upfront, you'll get things done faster.

    But again, pretty much all of the best methods, the ones that'll make you the big bucks need some kind of money to be spent on the front end, so there is that.

    You definitely don't have to spend money on a program that you don't want to be a part of, and yes, most of the marketers out there are only interested in lining their pockets. But when you choose a method you want to succeed in, you'll quickly find that you'll have to spend some money to get ahead in it.

    For example, I started out with article writing. Made minimal amount writing articles (didn't spend anything upfront). Then I reinvested what I made on a website and a better marketing strategy and I literally saw my earnings multiple before my eyes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Ya'll are being kinda harsh on the OP... LOL

    Yes... it often requires the investment of capital in order to
    earn a profit but if anyone in a deal like Empower Network starts
    telling you to sell your car or TV or anything else to get into their
    deal the smartest thing you can do is run the other way.

    These people don't give a damn about your success. EN is one of
    the worst ... let's just call it a 3 card monty game and leave it at that... LOL

    Besides... as every smart person knew from the start... EN is disintegrating
    as we speak. Those huge checks flashed by the "gurus" in the beginning have
    dwindled to nearly nothing.

    This ship has sailed... don't get sucked in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Come on. Of course it takes money to make money. Unless you need a job and that costs money too - gas or bus fare and any other expense that you incur to [make money].

    Now in respects to Empower Network, keep in mind that there are many 'new' people who are very eager to make money like the top earners. Some of the new people may end up dong some desperate stupid stuff and still quit.

    And no I am not marketing EN.

    However, if I were new, Empower Network and Ipas2 are one of the best places to for new marketers to learn how to make money online.

    When ever they have some kind of promotion like an upcoming event, they will usually give away a lot of 'value' in the form of training.

    I go to these promotions and learn a thing or two that adds value to my business.

    Lastly, when I first got started online, I was in 50K in debt and still had to borrow another $1,500 to get started in an opportunity.

    That was the best $1,500 that I ever spent.

    You see when you don't have anything to lose (like a monetary investment), you most likely will not stay in this game long enough to see results and most likely will miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime....

    To learn how to use the Power of the Internet to 'write' your own pay check for life!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
    I can certainly understand the OP's frustration. It IS incredibly frustrating to try to make money online or learn how to do it when you're broke (or nearly broke).

    Everyone seems to want to take your money, but you still have nothing.

    I get it.

    HOWEVER, it generally DOES take money to make money. Expecting someone to mentor/help you for free is generally arrogant. It's also a lottery mentality: expecting something for nothing.

    Lottery players and winners contribute nothing, create no value, are generally poor money managers and tend to lose their windfall relatively quickly. They often end up worse off than they were before they won the lottery.

    People who have been successful in business (making money online) have something valuable to contribute. They have paid for their success in time, money, effort, blood, sweat and tears as it were.

    Why should they help anyone for free???

    If you're more or less broke, you actually CAN start for free or very little. Article marketing is one way, although I think it's effectiveness is greatly reduced. Social media is HUGE right now. It allows you to reach a very targeted group on a global scale. And it's FREE.

    Online marketing doesn't have to be expensive. The expensive part is (or can be) learning it.

    So if you're broke, pick a free or low-cost strategy and use it to generate a few dollars. Then put those dollars back into your business and buy something else you need. Etc. It's called bootstrapping.

    Find an online marketing course for low $$$ on eBay. Sandy Krakowski offers very low-cost classes and trainings at ARealChange.com for example.

    Anyone can afford a $47 class. Or even a class that costs a few hundred. Save up or buy it on payments. You don't have to invest in the huge, $2K courses.

    However, I strongly recommend investing in at least one, comprehensive course in online marketing. It will give you the big picture of how online marketing works, the 3,000-ft view. This gives tremendous clarity and helps you focus. You'll no longer feel lost and overwhelmed. It will save you untold wasted $$$ and time spent on the little $7 ebooks (which are generally worth about as much as you pay for them).

    When you're broke, you need to start small and scale up. It can take longer, but that's OK. But stop getting "ticked off" when someone wants $$$ to train or help you. It's wasted energy. Expecting something for nothing is dishonorable.

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  • Profile picture of the author NeedBucksNow
    Empower has a great idea but isn't really that good of a product. I was in it for a while a few months ago & loved the fact that it said you can make money just by blogging over a few months & getting new people to join their awesome blogging network. I thought it was crazy that they expected you to pay a high monthly fee to start your own blog when you could easily find cheaper hosting somewhere else. I even tried making several videos on YouTube about how great it was but had to have a mature audience as the site had been listed as a possible scam on the site. Anyways, as I was saying the general idea of starting a blog & adding consistent content does work & is probably the best way to make money online from what I have found but you would be better off finding a good niche to use with adsense, amazon & clickbank in my opinion
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