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ClickBank Behind The Scenes Site?

by everyonewins
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Hi Everyone,

I seem to recall that there was a website which offered indepth details on the products listed on Clickbank. Information like which were the most popular and which had the most refunds and stuff like that. It was not a free site...I think it had a monthly subscription.

Does anyone know?

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author ulianov
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by everyonewins View Post

    I seem to recall that there was a website which offered indepth details on the products listed on Clickbank. Information like which were the most popular and which had the most refunds and stuff like that.
    There are several of them, of which the most well-known is mentioned in the post above.

    Unfortunately, none of them has information additional to that available through ClickBank on any of the subjects you mentioned. All they have is "misinformation" and "guesses".

    There's a reason for that, of course, and here it is: they have access to no more "input information" than you and I already have, from ClickBank's own Marketplace statistics. ClickBank doesn't give them any more information than it gives to you and me.

    They claim, from it, to be able to work out additional parameters (like refund rates) by using their "secret proprietory algorithms" (that's just another way of saying "We're not telling you how we do it"). Don't be gullible and believe them. They can no more work that out than they can fly in the air. Sales numbers and conversion-rates are (rightly) not disclosed by ClickBank.

    Be careful whose "information" you choose to believe: a lot of it, online, isn't what it claims to be.


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    • Profile picture of the author elcidofaguy
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      There are several of them, of which the most well-known is mentioned in the post above.

      Unfortunately, none of them has information additional to that available through ClickBank on any of the subjects you mentioned. All they have is "misinformation" and "guesses".

      There's a reason for that, of course, and here it is: they have access to no more "input information" than you and I already have, from ClickBank's own Marketplace statistics. ClickBank doesn't give them any more information than it gives to you and me.

      They claim, from it, to be able to work out additional parameters (like refund rates) by using their "secret proprietory algorithms" (that's just another way of saying "We're not telling you how we do it"). Don't be gullible and believe them. They can no more work that out than they can fly in the air. Sales numbers and conversion-rates are (rightly) not disclosed by ClickBank.

      Be careful whose "information" you choose to believe: a lot of it, online, isn't what it claims to be.


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      To an extent - but not all true... CB only provides snapshots and not historical data... CB releases its data once a week via API and with some of these sites collating and tracking this data for years there are some additional insights which are not otherwise available when logging into CB.... That said the stats and data provided are only indicators - for example you'll never get access to data such as conversion rates, net profits etc...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by elcidofaguy View Post

        CB releases its data once a week via API and with some of these sites collating and tracking this data for years there are some additional insights which are not otherwise available
        I don't believe that they're "insights" at all, Sid: I think they're fallacious nonsense, and I know that many/most of them actually rest on mistaken assumptions about what ClickBank's "gravity" and "popularity" figures signify and how they're measured.

        Originally Posted by elcidofaguy View Post

        you'll never get access to data such as conversion rates, net profits etc...
        About this point, we agree.

        You also won't get information about sales numbers or refund-rates, though many of "those sites" purport to disclose exactly that.

        "Curiously", they all seem to think that high gravities imply high sales numbers, and that's actually very often not the case at all.

        This entire subject is a minefield of pure misinformation, and people should interpret such perspectives very carefully indeed, to put it mildly!


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      • Profile picture of the author ClickBank
        Originally Posted by elcidofaguy View Post

        To an extent - but not all true... CB only provides snapshots and not historical data... CB releases its data once a week via API and with some of these sites collating and tracking this data for years there are some additional insights which are not otherwise available when logging into CB.... That said the stats and data provided are only indicators - for example you'll never get access to data such as conversion rates, net profits etc...
        Hi elcidofaguy,

        We update our marketplace feed file every day (details and link to the zip file are here). The file is normally available for download at or about 5am US Pacific Time. You are correct that some websites do offer trending data displays that are not easily available from our marketplace. The one trend we do provide is on gravity; this is available on the spotlight page for any vendor who has setup a Vendor Spotlight. This link provides an example. You can see a graph if you place your mouse over the chart icon next to the gravity stat on the right side.

        With respect to the everyonewins' question on refunds, in a separate thread (link to post here), we noted that we do not disclose refund rates to 3rd parties and depending on your promotional methods, your refund rate will vary quite a bit compared to other promoters/affiliates.

        I hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    I do think that some of these tracking sites do offer some valuable historical information. The problem is that it is potentially mixed up with guess work on things like refund rates.

    You can not trust any calculated/estimated refund rate, unless it comes directly from ClickBank - and they've just said they aren't sharing this info!

    The reason is this:

    The services who attempt to estimate it. do so using publicly available information including "earnings per sale", the affiliate %, and the price of the product.

    If the affiliate %, or price of the product are wrong (and they often are for reasons I will come to), or if the vendor has changed either recently, the calculations will be incorrect, sometimes massively off.

    Why can the affiliate % or the price of the product be wrong?
    - Because CB allows the vendor to have multiple products with different affiliate % on them

    Why can the price be wrong?
    - Because CB allows the vendor to have multiple products, each with different products.


    Let's give an example:

    Vendor A sells product for $50, and has a 50% affiliate rate. This means affiliate earns $22.62 per sale (because it's 50% of $50 less $1 and 7.5%). Let's say earnings per sale shows $19. This would mean for every $22.62 sale, $3.62 is lost, so refund rate = (3.62 / 22.62) * 100 = 16%, Refund estimation tools would use the public data and estimate this correctly.

    Vendor B sells product for $50, and has a 50% affiliate rate (so affiliate earns 22.62 from these sales). However he also sells equal numbers of a second product, which isn't of course shown in the market place, for just $10 (affiliates earn $4.12 from these). He has never had a single refund - ever. But his earnings per sale show $13.37 because it is averaged over 2 products. But refund estimation tools would typically only use the first product, so would think $22.62 - $13.37 = $9.25 is being lost per sale, and then go to calculated estimated refund rate = (9.25 / 22.62 ) * 100 = 41%!

    So in this example, you would think vendor B is a loser - but he actually has a ZERO refund rate!

    By adding additional products at price rates and affiliate rates, the estimated refund rate can end-up having virtually no connection to actual refund rate - either massively over-estimating or under-estimating.
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