Is it good to enter a SMALL niche market?

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Hello Warriors,

I want to start a blog with a specific niche; but after doing some research in Keyword Planner, it's only coming up with an average of 880 searches per month.

Is that a good search volume or is that too small of a niche market?

I don't want to go too big that it may not be as targeted; but then again, I also don't want to go too small, that there isn't an audience either.

What's a good range of monthly visitors to be considered a good, profitable, and targeted niche market?

Thanks all!
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  • Profile picture of the author Eliza Marzanna
    Well 880 for just one keyword, but what if you have multiple keywords?
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by Eliza Marzanna View Post

      Well 880 for just one keyword, but what if you have multiple keywords?
      Hi Eliza,

      Good point. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    If we're talking about 'book travel packages for bangkok' then there would certainly be opportunity there... or 'study guide for the ___ exam'. If you're just talking about something like 'stuffed animals' with that search volume I'd probably pass. If there are many keywords related to your phrase then you might have a winner. Hard to tell without knowing more about the nature of your niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by Scott Million View Post

      If we're talking about 'book travel packages for bangkok' then there would certainly be opportunity there... or 'study guide for the ___ exam'. If you're just talking about something like 'stuffed animals' with that search volume I'd probably pass. If there are many keywords related to your phrase then you might have a winner. Hard to tell without knowing more about the nature of your niche.
      Hey Scott,

      Yeah I see what you're saying. The niche I'm targeting is specific, but it's not THAT specific, so your comment definitely helped. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    On the other hand, I should add that the google keyword tool is not necessarily a measure of demand. For example, Google says there are 260 average searches a month for the term "how to build an email list", but there are many more seeking that information (they might come in through another door)
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by Scott Million View Post

      On the other hand, I should add that the google keyword tool is not necessarily a measure of demand. For example, Google says there are 260 average searches a month for the term "how to build an email list", but there are many more seeking that information (they might come in through another door)
      Hey again Scott,

      Yea, I'm just using that tool as a guide. I'll definitely seek other sources to make a final decision. I was just shocked at the low number -- but that's just one keyword phrase I've searched after all. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Carter
    It basically depends on the type of keyword and the niche market, If that 880 search is for long tail keyword, then its good to go.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by Mike Carter View Post

      It basically depends on the type of keyword and the niche market, If that 880 search is for long tail keyword, then its good to go.
      Hey Mike,

      It's just two words -- so probably not long tail? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoboyz01
    Although that sounds like a small amount of searches, there are likely many others that search for other related terms. So in other words, you could target other related keyword phrases which might be equally searched.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by seoboyz01 View Post

      Although that sounds like a small amount of searches, there are likely many others that search for other related terms. So in other words, you could target other related keyword phrases which might be equally searched.
      Hey seoboyz01,

      Very true. I admit, it's only one keyword phrase I've searched. Also, I do much rather have a small number of monthly visitors that are targeted, than a lot of them that aren't. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by jcwarriorwrc View Post

    Is that a good search volume or is that too small of a niche market?
    You're confusing two different things, here, Warren.

    Nobody can tell you whether the size of the niche market is suitable just by knowing the alleged search-volume for one of the market's keywords.

    Every
    niche/market has some search-terms with that volume. Even weight-loss, dating, and so on. In itself, this information doesn't mean anything from which anyone can possibly make an informed decision!

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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      You're confusing two different things, here, Warren.

      Nobody can tell you whether the size of the niche market is suitable just by knowing the alleged search-volume for one of the market's keywords.

      Every
      niche/market has some search-terms with that volume. Even weight-loss, dating, and so on. In itself, this information doesn't mean anything from which anyone can possibly make an informed decision!

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      Hi Alexa,

      Thanks for your advice as always But I only use these tools to give me an understanding of what the market is like and I'm still conducting research, before I make a final decision.

      I was just shocked by the low number of searches for that phrase, but you're right, there are other phrases with that same number of search volume, which can definitely be misleading.

      But I also don't want to end up in a niche/market that is too small, that I won't be as profitable, ya know?

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author JNAssociates
    I would much rather be the authority of a small niche than just another site on a much bigger one. Scalability is important.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by JNAssociates View Post

      I would much rather be the authority of a small niche than just another site on a much bigger one. Scalability is important.
      Hey JNAssociates,

      Good point. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thanks for this perspective.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      you will rank faster for a small niche for sure
      Hi tristatemedia,

      That's exactly what I want. I just want to make sure, I'm still able to build a business around it though. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by jcwarriorwrc View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    I want to start a blog with a specific niche; but after doing some research in Keyword Planner, it's only coming up with an average of 880 searches per month.

    Is that a good search volume or is that too small of a niche market?
    Bear in mind that a niche is not defined by one keyword. I've done well in small niches, but first we need to define what "small" is. Is a niche small if it's only got an aggregate of one billion in sales? No, not at all, if the market that it's under is a multi-billion dollar market.

    Thinking of niches as one keyword is not a good strategy, there are many, many words that make up any particular niche. Another way to define a niche is by finding out things such as where your target market hangs out at, WHERE they make their purchases at, what kind of sales that niche generates, the distribution channels, etc.

    I don't want to go too big that it may not be as targeted; but then again, I also don't want to go too small, that there isn't an audience either.

    What's a good range of monthly visitors to be considered a good, profitable, and targeted niche market?

    Thanks all!
    A common mistake many newcomers make (as well as some veterans) is that they look at a niche and focus on monthly searches. Even worse, they focus on one or two keywords. Maybe a few.

    This is where market research comes into play. You've got to dig deeper than just one or two keywords and you have to look beyond monthly searches.

    I will not entertain a niche unless I can find out information on where people are buying.

    To me, a niche is too small if it's not profitable for anyone. So I like to find niches that have some competition in it OR... if there is some way to verify that the niche has buyers.

    So depending on the niche, it will depend on what kind of market research you'll have to perform. Market research is one of the most neglected parts of a person's business plan when they first jump into any niche, no matter how big or small.

    RoD
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Bear in mind that a niche is not defined by one keyword. I've done well in small niches, but first we need to define what "small" is. Is a niche small if it's only got an aggregate of one billion in sales? No, not at all, if the market that it's under is a multi-billion dollar market.

      Thinking of niches as one keyword is not a good strategy, there are many, many words that make up any particular niche. Another way to define a niche is by finding out things such as where your target market hangs out at, WHERE they make their purchases at, what kind of sales that niche generates, the distribution channels, etc.

      A common mistake many newcomers make (as well as some veterans) is that they look at a niche and focus on monthly searches. Even worse, they focus on one or two keywords. Maybe a few.

      This is where market research comes into play. You've got to dig deeper than just one or two keywords and you have to look beyond monthly searches.

      I will not entertain a niche unless I can find out information on where people are buying.

      To me, a niche is too small if it's not profitable for anyone. So I like to find niches that have some competition in it OR... if there is some to verify that the niche has buyers.

      So depending on the niche, it will depend on what kind of market research you'll have to perform. Market research is one of the most neglected parts of a person's business plan when they first jump into any niche, no matter how big or small.

      RoD
      Hi Rod,

      Thanks for the helpful advice and new perspective. Even though I'm still doing some research and not relying on just one tool, you're right, I do focus on monthly searches too often during my research -- and I've been blogging since 2009. Habit I guess

      I obviously want a niche that's profitable (not looking to get rich though), but I also want to be able to help as many people as I can.

      Also, when you mentioned: "WHERE they make their purchases at..." what exactly did you mean by that in terms of the online space?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by jcwarriorwrc View Post

        Hi Rod,

        Thanks for the helpful advice and new perspective. Even though I'm still doing some research and not relying on just one tool, you're right, I do focus on monthly searches too often during my research -- and I've been blogging since 2009. Habit I guess

        I obviously want a niche that's profitable (not looking to get rich though), but I also want to be able to help as many people as I can.

        Also, when you mentioned: "WHERE they make their purchases at..." what exactly did you mean by that in terms of the online space?
        You're welcome. I should clarify, though, that there is nothing wrong with doing your keyword research and looking at monthly searches, that should still be part of your market research, but it shouldn't be everything.

        I stopped using SEO to get traffic a long time ago, but if ranking is important to you then keyword research is VERY important.

        As far as where people make their purchases at, that would depend on the niche, what product / service you plan on selling, and what your business model is going to be.

        If you look at the information product business model in the form of a PDF or membership website, it's pretty darn easy to perform some due diligence because even with a precursory keyword search in places like Google, Clickbank, Youtube, etc. you'll be able to find competing products and services as well as find advertisers.

        I'm not trying to get out of giving you more specifics, but it really does depend on what you plan on pursuing.

        I've been marketing online in a wide variety of niches since 1999 and if there's one thing I can share with people is this: nothing has made me more money than niches that have rabid, repeat buyers OR a very specialized niche that has fewer buyers but higher ticket items.

        I know I guy who makes tons of money buying and selling yachts, all online. I met him at one of Yanik's seminars a few years ago. It just blows my mind at how creative people can get in ways of making money.

        I shared with people about a year ago in this very forum that I noticed that there were a bunch of small to medium-sized medical suppliers who had websites and were selling 1 to 10 million a year in total sales. BUT they didn't have a single affiliate program!!!

        Out of sheer curiosity I found a few of these companies and started cold calling them, asking them about their affiliate program and their sales force. I only called a few but most of them had neither!

        I didn't pursue this because my interests lie elsewhere, but I saw an under-served niche here.

        I'm a tenacious researcher and have been known to cold call businesses, take out business owners / managers out to lunch, spend hours at the library, buy other people's products and dissect them, etc.

        The first place to start is usually Google, Bing, Copernic, etc. and perform some keyword searches and play very close attention on who is on the first page. Both the organic and paid results.

        Does your niche have a periodoical? Any type of trade journal? Are there any experts that require certifications? What ancilliary niches / products/ services can also be cross-promoted?

        People who know me on this forum know that I have been a dating coach for well over a decade. But I didn't just market dating advice products and services to my clients or my list. I sold them fitness products, health supplements, teeth whiteners, weight loss products, etc.

        Check and see if that particular niche has FB groups, forums, etc. If you can find out where they hang out, chances are you can find out where they buy.

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        • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
          Is this SMALL niche something you have passion for? something you like?

          or are you just trying to find some small niche that you think is an untouched goldmine that

          no one knows about that your going to kill it with?

          Sometimes small niches are great because they're more targeted
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Ever wonder how many keyword searches are done by people evaluating keywords? I'll bet it's significant.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Ever wonder how many keyword searches are done by people evaluating keywords? I'll bet it's significant.
      LOL, so true tavlinguy. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by jcwarriorwrc View Post

        LOL, so true tavlinguy. Thanks.
        Here's something to consider. I got it from a really smart SEO guy back when SEO still meant something. He did all the keyword mumbo jumbo. And even if it didn't make sense according to the SEO playbook he still didn't eliminate the niche.

        So what was his ace in the hole? Ads. How many ads were displayed along with the various keywords. 5 or 6 ads that continued to show up after a couple of weeks and it was a go, regardless of keywords. Of course he made the call based on the results of the five top search engines. Just something to think about. Good luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          Here's something to consider. I got it from a really smart SEO guy back when SEO still meant something. He did all the keyword mumbo jumbo. And even if it didn't make sense according to the SEO playbook he still didn't eliminate the niche.

          So what was his ace in the hole? Ads. How many ads were displayed along with the various keywords. 5 or 6 ads that continued to show up after a couple of weeks and it was a go, regardless of keywords. Of course he made the call based on the results of the five top search engines. Just something to think about. Good luck.
          Hey again tavlinguy,

          Hmm, never thought about this method, but it does make sense.Thanks for this tip. I really appreciate it!
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
            Something else to consider.

            No niche is an island unto itself. By that I mean, every niche has related niches if you care to look for them.

            So what I suggest is to start with your very small, very focused niche and become the authority in the that one specific thing. Build a list, nurture your prospects and customers. As you deal with them you will begin to see other related niches that go very nicely with your first niche. Slide into those related niches as a way to offer "more value" to the customer.

            You can build an empire by conquering one little settlement, then another, and another. When the niches are closely related, it allows your authority at one site to spill over into another site. If you do a great job of building value and trust ... your customers will follow you anywhere.

            Good luck to you,

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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          Here's something to consider. I got it from a really smart SEO guy back when SEO still meant something.
          It doesn't mean anything anymore? LOL. Great tip though, one I definitely use when evaluating keywords for clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author JGK
    Let's assume your KW phrase is "survival camping gear". Call this your primary keyword. 880 is low however clear the search from the planner and put in just "survival camping gear" as your seed KW into the tool and there will be a ton of related keywords with search volume that should be on your site. Pick the 20 or so you believe to be most relevant and use those as secondary keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author fern
    Consider the sales as well. There may be another keyword associated with your niche that converts well. The best way to do this is check amazon or clickbank for product ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author zahavi
    It is common knowledge at this stage that Google KW Planner is becoming more of a misleading tool than the reliable service it used to be. It is quite possible that there are more monthly searches but GKWP is not displaying the correct figure due to either withholding data or the time lag that has been introduced in the tool, etc. Creative warriors have developed plenty of tools to compensate for the lacks in GKWP. Maybe search for these solutions. Well, definitely do not rely exclusively on the less reliable data from big G these days.

    Just my two cents in the hope it may save you some time and effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasTe
    Great thread, thanks.
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