NEVER Pre-Sell On Ebay Because HERE'S WHY...

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I thought I had the perfect plan.

"I KNOW where I can buy X Product for this much, but I know
it's worth X amount on ebay...great profit potential here!"

Sat on it for about two days, and just "went for it"....I had to
take action on it, how would I have known it would not work?
sounds' like a great plan right? I can simply order the products
WITH the money my customers send me for the product.

I essentially, PRE-SOLD 2 products on ebay, and both attempts
were unsuccessful and a little messy...and here's why:


1. Paypal buts holds on money over $100 if you don't have a
solid consistent business model w/ ebay.

2. The product you buy with your customers money AFTER they
already paid for it...me thinking it would reach me in time to ship
to them in the time frame I promised...backfired and took about
a week longer than I anticipated.


Surprisingly, a few of the customers were a little understanding
(although very unhappy) about the problem I caused, and have
been patient with me, but they don't care, they either want the
product they paid for or their money back.

I was having a hard time trying to do either or.

Some how, and I believe by divine intelligence, I was being helped
get out of this situation smoothly without messing up my feedback
and good standing with paypal...some how, I ended up coming out
ahead almost $500+ in one week after almost 3 weeks of pure hell.

...and I was able to give everybody their money back in full, at a
time when I seriously doubted it's possibility.

I keep saying "some how", but I already intuitively know what "it was"
that helped me in this situation...and that's faith in a higher power.

If you ever find yourself stuck in a sticky situation as a entrepreneur
(and we all are at some point in our career), always look for divine
help to guide you along. Don't try to solve the problem yourself,
you might lose your mind.

And what was the business lesson here?

If your an ebay power seller, plan on being one, seriously thinking
about it...ALWAYS HAVE THE PRODUCTS IN YOUR POSSESSION TO
SHIP OUT.

I will NEVER do any form of dropshipping again, and I see why so many
people recommend against it.

It's a pain in the ass, and your always walking on thin ice when you
do it successfully. Orders will backup, shipments will get delayed, and
it's all beyond your control. Things can seriously go out of whack,
especially when your selling TOO much of the item you don't have...
Now what?

You spent their money on the items they paid for and come to find out,
thye may not get it for a matter of weeks. That's not good news.

Bottomline: Don't Pre-Sell. Ever. Lesson learned. And if you want
to get into ebay marketing (seriously), don't YOU ever pre-sell
products you don't have in your inventory. Your' inviting danger.


/end rant.

If your considering creating money from ebay marketing, please, file
this thread at the top of your "Don't Do" list. Don't make my mistake.
#ebay #presell
  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    one more reson not to do this: I'm pretty sure it's illegal. Everytime I have heard this approach mentioned in direct marketing circles, it was always pointed out that it was not legal to do it.

    edit: I am not sure what seperates accepting orders for products you do not yet have vs drop shipping.. (legally speaking)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      one more reson not to do this: I'm pretty sure it's illegal. Everytime I have heard this approach mentioned in direct marketing circles, it was always pointed out that it was not legal to do it.

      edit: I am not sure what seperates accepting orders for products you do not yet have vs drop shipping..
      Preselling is not illegal. It is a long standing practice in direct marketing to test the market. Keeping the money if the product is not delivered, however, is illegal.

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      • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
        Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

        Preselling is not illegal. It is a long standing practice in direct marketing to test the market. Keeping the money if the product is not delivered, however, is illegal.

        Cheers
        I know it's common practice - but many times I have also seen it mentioned it wasn't legal to actually do it in the manner it is often used (testing a market).. like I said though, I'm not sure of the details. If it were me, I'd ask a lawyer about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          I don't see where it would be different from going to an auto shop and them wanting you to pay for new parts before they order them in..
          yeah, I don't know the details.. maybe it's a disclosure thing? obviously drop shipping is legal, so I'm not sure where the line is. I know I just came across it being mentioned again just recently though.. oh well - just something I would look into if I were to accept payment for anything I did not yet have on order at least..
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      And yet I've seen people here advise others to do it - and it was the subject of a couple WSO's, too. Drop shipping isn't illegal - but I think selling something you don't own might be on the edge there.

      sounds' like a great plan right
      The first time I heard someone advise people to do that - I thought it sounded like a risky venture. Glad the lesson was learned and that you came out of it OK - and hope others listen to your warning.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      one more reson not to do this: I'm pretty sure it's illegal. Everytime I have heard this approach mentioned in direct marketing circles, it was always pointed out that it was not legal to do it.

      edit: I am not sure what seperates accepting orders for products you do not yet have vs drop shipping.. (legally speaking)
      I haven't heard that it's illegal. I mean, it could be, but I just haven't heard that. I don't see where it would be different from going to an auto shop and them wanting you to pay for new parts before they order them in.

      So, maybe it's not illegal, but perhaps against eBay's TOS? I don't know. It's never been something I've looked into. Maybe it could just be something that's illegal to do in an auction? It's never struck me as being a good idea to auction off something you don't actually possess. To me, an auction carries the implication that the item is something on-hand, not something to be ordered in.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    I'm pretty sure it's legal IF you can provide the products in a certain time frame. I think you might have to specify it also if it's past a certain length of time.

    If not, I'd be taking orders for cars that fly.
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    • Profile picture of the author SolarFelineAU
      Thankyou Josef_Benjamin for posting your experiences, and I am glad you came through "the other side".

      I am considering buying and selling products on e-bay, and this is something to be wary of.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kris.Sm
    @Josef_Benjamin..
    Well thts how everyone starts on ebay..to become a powerseller.
    The first 5 items u sell has to be on aution if u r new. and paypal holds ur money for the buyer to leave feedback or to pass 21 days without any dispute.

    But as soon as u sent the item to the buyer, go to paypal and upload the transaction the shipping u did and they will release the money for u.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matias1021
      Originally Posted by Kris Sunil View Post

      @Josef_Benjamin..
      Well thts how everyone starts on ebay..to become a powerseller.
      The first 5 items u sell has to be on aution if u r new. and paypal holds ur money for the buyer to leave feedback or to pass 21 days without any dispute.

      But as soon as u sent the item to the buyer, go to paypal and upload the transaction the shipping u did and they will release the money for u.
      I just began getting into ebay and sold a couple items, and my money is on hold until delivery confirmation. Will it always be like this? or at some point is ebay/paypal gonna trust me where they dont put my money on hold anymore?
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      • Profile picture of the author Matias1021
        Originally Posted by Matias1021 View Post

        I just began getting into ebay and sold a couple items, and my money is on hold until delivery confirmation. Will it always be like this? or at some point is ebay/paypal gonna trust me where they dont put my money on hold anymore?
        can anyone answer this? my money is still on hold and i gave paypal my confirmation number.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    I'm confused...

    Are you saying that you are selling a product on ebay that you're buying from someone else on ebay and collecting the mark-up?

    If that's the case, why the hell wouldn't these people just buy the other product from ebay?


    Or are you buying the product on ebay and selling it somewhere else? OR selling on ebay buying it somewhere else maybe... No idea what's going on here..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    Drop shipping is legal on ebay...........but it's far beter to have the products to sell and ship them out your self, if you want bad feedback just drop ship, because without inspecting the products shipped out, your likely to have damaged items mailed to people. I have purchased many items wholesale and sold them online, and I would say 1 out 10 products are damaged slightly in shipping or when made just like furniture sent by UPS....don't know how many times I had to touch up or fix something, it's a good thing to own a small home shop for repairs !!
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    • Profile picture of the author Josef_Benjamin
      Originally Posted by Kris Sunil View Post

      @Josef_Benjamin..
      Well thts how everyone starts on ebay..to become a powerseller.
      The first 5 items u sell has to be on aution if u r new. and paypal holds ur money for the buyer to leave feedback or to pass 21 days without any dispute.

      But as soon as u sent the item to the buyer, go to paypal and upload the transaction the shipping u did and they will release the money for u.
      Yea, I know this...now lol. I didn't know it then. I hadn't used paypal for months selling anything, and then instead of giving the money back, I tried to come up with other creative ways to get the money to the supplier I was using w/o problems. I certainly don't regret any of the decisions I made, as I had to take action on a plan I was working on for 2-3 days.

      Yes, I found out there some searching that I can get the money instantly, but only on delivery. Imagine how tough this is on dropshippers who don't get delivery confirmation of their packages? And feedback is not totally reliable as most don't leave feedback in a reasonable timeframe...so now your stuck waiting 21 days for money you should've recieved weeks ago lol.

      I'm no longer a fan of dropshipping. But I still love ebay and that's only one blip on my road to super financial success using auctions.



      Originally Posted by mr2monster View Post

      I'm confused...
      "Alot of great questions. questions I'm sure most sellers would not ask (less they were selling you a WSO in the future --and I certainly will, I just don't have the time right now to write one)...competition is non-existent, and I have no problem answering these questions. I'm sure others will find this atleast somewhat educational:"

      Are you saying that you are selling a product on ebay that you're buying from someone else on ebay and collecting the mark-up?

      " for lack of better words, yes :"

      If that's the case, why the hell wouldn't these people just buy the other product from ebay?

      Because were lazy. People don't want to sift through around for bargain basement deals. I'll let you in on a little secret:

      People buy from the person selling the merchandise. They buy not only for the product they already want, but through the person (company) they feel comfortable, trusting, doing business with...and believe me, they WILL pay almost any markup you want...provided it's not TOO extreme.

      I've had people told me they will give me repeat business, even after I screwed up. And I simply tell them don't, go to someone else while I get stuff sorted lol.

      I'ts customer service, and I love doing business with honesty, integrity and excitement.

      ...they can sense it if you really believe YOU have what they want and you WILL jump over hills to make sure they get their item.

      One last thing is presentation: alot of ebayer selelrs are super lazy with presentation. I always like dressing my auctions up to be awesome w/ my personality, for smooth readibility, and even a little bit of copy for entertainment...reminding them why they are buying the item in the 1st place.

      For this, I do indeed charge high markups...usually no less than $50 profit and I can fetch around upto $150 or a little higher.

      Did I forget to mention that I'm also a car/motocycle/moped listing agent? yea, did my research on that last week, crafted the strategy I purchased from someone else...got my system set up, and as I'm typing, I stand to make a minimum $10k a week easily...because it's exactly how much money I feel I deserve to make so I'm taking it .

      Roughly same amount of work, for farrrrr more money. This stuff is fun. I do both. So now you essetntially know the guideline of my auction strategies. (and I plan on adding a final third).

      If you or anyone want more specific details, you would have to wait while I craft up a WSO in bits n' pieces as I have the time.

      Cheers


      Or are you buying the product on ebay and selling it somewhere else? OR selling on ebay buying it somewhere else maybe... No idea what's going on here..


      Both. I buy both from ebay and craigslist. My focus now is strictly ebay auctions, so whatever I buy, from either source (even the same) is resold on ebay. Craigslist is obviouly cool because you can just pickup and auction same day, but I think using ebay to get wholesale deals to resale is easier and less time consuming. I like it when stuff comes to my door instead of me driving to the door...

      unless of course I'm marketing vehicles. That's really the only time...lol, said too much?



      Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

      He found a good deal on something online but didn't have the money on hand to buy inventory.

      He posted auctions for the item planning on using the customers' payments to buy his inventory JIT.

      "Yep, and didn't know paypal put holds on money...it was a pain in the ass, because orders were coming in like 4-5 a day...and keep in mind, I didn't have the money i needed to cover BUYING the product in the first place.

      If I'd known, I wouldve just made money other ways until I had product in hand...simple mistake rly"

      -K

      PS, I was a Power Seller years ago. My swan song was a series of shipping snafus on drop shipped greenhouses. Ugly feedback even after I ate significant additional shipping charges.



      Originally Posted by Mr Money Maker View Post

      Drop shipping is legal on ebay...........but it's far beter to have the products to sell and ship them out your self, if you want bad feedback just drop ship, because without inspecting the products shipped out, your likely to have damaged items mailed to people. I have purchased many items wholesale and sold them online, and I would say 1 out 10 products are damaged slightly in shipping or when made just like furniture sent by UPS....don't know how many times I had to touch up or fix something, it's a good thing to own a small home shop for repairs !!

      I don't mean to imply dropshipping is bad or can result in bad business, and just did for me. I don't like it. I get nervous shipping a product to someone I don't test myself is working before they touch it. For me, it's just an additional selling point to charge even more to do business with me. I check every product you get so YOU don't have to.

      Selling vehicles and wholesaling (with products on hand), are two winning strategies I actually use successfully . Dropshipping ain't one of em'
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    What you did was not "preselling".

    Pre-selling is typically considered accepting payment with the expectation of delivery at a later date. This is usually OK as long as the delivery date is fully disclosed before purchase.

    Glad to hear you sorted it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi,

    I had a great time doing that on eBay it was years ago, back in the last century.

    I sold YoYos. The business had it's ups and downs but mostly it was great.

    I live about 18 miles from downtown LA. I would put up an auction at xxx YoYos and get paid. I'd get up in the morning and go to the wholesale district and buy the yoyos. Take them to the P.O. and ship them in the P.O. provided 3 day mail boxes.

    Those were the days. Thanks for the pleasant reminder. Sorry you had a bad experience, If you can call making $500 a bad experience.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Buy it cheap on Craigslist, pick it up, THEN resell it for profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josef_Benjamin
      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      Buy it cheap on Craigslist, pick it up, THEN resell it for profit.
      More or less you can do this, but as I've said, their are far far easier ways without going to random peoples house to get products on the low for easy
      resell (if you know what your doing).

      But ya, if you wanna experiment with this, go ahead, it'll work. Wanna make several hundred a week? there are easier ways
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    That's exactly why credit was invented....get you some!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Phillips
    I dropshipped physical products on ebay for a few years.

    It was easy and a pretty fun way to make money.

    You had to make sure you knew how much product was on hand at all times from the company you were using. I never had any problems. You either need a credit card or a line of credit set up with the company drop shipping your products.


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    • Profile picture of the author Josef_Benjamin
      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      Care to explain. I have used the craigslist method myself whenever I wanted an easy 500.00 in a week, but I have found the method to not be consistent week in and week out. It is good for emegency cash though.
      Don't get me wrong, every week (or every day in my case since I live in a huge city, there are several deals I can't take advantage of myself using the simple craigslist method. And most people truly are great people and are willing to meet you at a mutual location if you choose.

      But like you pheonix, I only do it in addition to what I focus the majority of my effort on. It would take an entire thread and ebook to go into details one how it's done, for it's best I now throw it out there and not be able to back it up.

      As I said, I'm putting together a nice pdf+extensive video tutorial that explains exactly how I rake in the dough and it'll be very affordable. It's a method I'm 110% will make anybody money if they did exactly as the my method teaches. My method isn't original, I don't care for it to be, but there new twists to this particular method people are NOT using that I am.

      Is this a plug for a WSO I don't even have a title for yet? I dunno...it could take weeks, maybe months. And you will be the first to know.


      Originally Posted by Jim Phillips View Post

      I dropshipped physical products on ebay for a few years.

      It was easy and a pretty fun way to make money.

      You had to make sure you knew how much product was on hand at all times from the company you were using. I never had any problems. You either need a credit card or a line of credit set up with the company drop shipping your products.


      Best Regards,

      Jim
      Grea to hear you've had success with ebay...curious as to why you stopped?
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    • Profile picture of the author jakesellers
      Originally Posted by Jim Phillips View Post

      I dropshipped physical products on ebay for a few years.

      It was easy and a pretty fun way to make money.
      Quite agree, I got into it couple years back when I had a BANS site packed with the same stock photos from 20 different listings and realized I could be making $25 from each successful transaction instead of $2 and using the intelligence I got from organic search to create eBay listings, did a lot of research and built up a good list of solid suppliers, had one problem on one occasion I made good on out of my own pocket but it was more UPS's fault than my supplier's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Phillips
    Hi Josef_Benjamin,

    "Grea to hear you've had success with ebay...curious as to why you stopped?"

    I started selling digital products on eBay. Then I branched out into different niches on the web.

    I used eBay to build my lists. It was a very cost effective method to build huge lists of targeted ready and willing purchasers.

    People who use eBay are looking to make a purchase of something.

    More money was made from my back end sales. Why pay eBay there ever increasing fees and deal with the competition of ever shrinking profits on physical goods.

    Instead use their massive traffic of purchasers (buyers and sellers) to generate your own lists of laser targeted perspective customers.

    Best Regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author wealthyplanet
    Dont know what its like now but when I started on Ebay a few years ago (in UK) I had to buy lots of crap just to build up a history of successful transactions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josef_Benjamin
      Originally Posted by Matias1021 View Post

      can anyone answer this? my money is still on hold and i gave paypal my confirmation number.


      After you've given paypal the confirmation/tracking number, here's a little trick I used to get it released the same day I sent the item without knowing it was possible:

      Call paypal and ask them to release the funds. You can do this the very moment your item is in the post office. OR, if your not in a big hurry to get the money, you will definitly see the money there no more than 3 days after later.

      hope it helped man

      Originally Posted by wealthyplanet View Post

      Dont know what its like now but when I started on Ebay a few years ago (in UK) I had to buy lots of crap just to build up a history of successful transactions.
      You really don't have to. The whole "build up history before people buy from you" is seriously overrated. Wanna know what I did to make it a positive thing (at the time)...I simply was upfront and honest about my business in my listings and stated I was new at it. I didn't try to pretend I was a big shot powerseller. I made it obvious I am entrepreneur...all people want is honesty.

      People will support you and buy from YOU, especially when you add some personality in your listings. Just be yourself, but professional.

      You can take off running with ZERO feedback if you wanted to, but to my surprise, alot of people stop themselves before they even get started because of this excuse : "but but but...I don't have any
      history and I'll be competing with those who have tons of it...why bother?"

      excuses, excuses, excuses...

      Originally Posted by Jim Phillips View Post

      Hi Josef_Benjamin,

      "Grea to hear you've had success with ebay...curious as to why you stopped?"

      I started selling digital products on eBay. Then I branched out into different niches on the web.

      I used eBay to build my lists. It was a very cost effective method to build huge lists of targeted ready and willing purchasers.

      People who use eBay are looking to make a purchase of something.

      More money was made from my back end sales. Why pay eBay there ever increasing fees and deal with the competition of ever shrinking profits on physical goods.

      Instead use their massive traffic of purchasers (buyers and sellers) to generate your own lists of laser targeted perspective customers.

      Best Regards,

      Jim
      That's awesome! you used ebay as a lead generation source, and that's a great way to build backend.

      Personally, I don't see why so many people trip about eby fees. They really are quite reasonable, atleast for me they are.

      When I sell a product, I ALWAYS go for the products that net ATLEAST 30$ to $80+ per sell.

      Sounds impossible? not at all.

      Maybe the fees would affect those who like selling $5-$15 items, but for me...It doesn't hurt my bank account at all. I'm actually happy to pay the fees, for ebay is doing alot of people a great service...I beleive more people should be appreciative of what ebay does for so many people, buyers and sellers alike.

      ebay fees...another reason that stops many people from expreincing success on ebay. they stop before they begin because of the "why do I have to pay to have this awesome service and unlimited traffic" syndrom.


      As far as shrinking profits on physical goods...

      Not so with me. There are many ways around this, and I focus on two methods in particular...(and will be implementing a final third in the future).

      I learned (and successfully use) a method that guarantees as the market fluctuates, I never pay the same amount for the product as I did months before. My buying prices are always adjusted according to the market, and so...I consistently bring in $30+ a sale regardless.
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      • Profile picture of the author princesstj
        I was considering dropshipping items on ebay as well. I may reonsider this idea. I agree with several of the previous posters regarding inspecting the merchandise for quality and damage prior to shipping to the customer. Afterall, it is your reputation on the line and not the reputation of the dropshipper.
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        • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
          I was considering dropshipping items on ebay as well. I may reonsider this idea. I agree with several of the previous posters regarding inspecting the merchandise for quality and damage prior to shipping to the customer. Afterall, it is your reputation on the line and not the reputation of the dropshipper.
          Why don't you just use craigslist to raise a few hundred and then find a good closeout merchant or a legit wholesaler to buy small lots from until you can leverage that and go on to some of the auction sites like liquidation.com to compete with the big boys for the real money?
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    I would not say it's an issue of reselling. You can sell products you don't have on ebay, but you better have a good relationship with your dropshipper. You should also give yourself some margin of error. For instance, if someone wants something in a week you should tell your dropshipper three days to allow for error. A good relationships makes all the difference.Otherwise refund their money no questions asked and apologize for the inconvenience. This will help you avoid negative feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesHughes
    Dropshipping works on ebay and other channels if you have the right mark ups and products.
    You can find out more about this on my blog and build-a-bedroom-empire.co.uk

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    • Profile picture of the author Josef_Benjamin
      Originally Posted by JamesHughes View Post

      Dropshipping works on ebay and other channels if you have the right mark ups and products.
      You can find out more about this on my blog and build-a-bedroom-empire.co.uk

      James
      Looks like you have a great product there James, thx for the add.

      I know some people moan about promotions, but this one looks like
      something I would seriously consider getting.

      I'm already seriously focused on 2 strategies, and that's more than
      enough for me, on top of some affiliate marketing...but this looks
      great, anybody intrested in making money on ebay from a powerseller
      should check it out

      (naw, I'm not being paid to say this)
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