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Going forward with coaching?--I need a push

by fhorns2000
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I have been offered coaching by a successful WF marketer here. I can move forward with this. I think I am only battling-----ME.

My tradeoff: I have to borrow money for it. Additionally, my (future) coach has not disclosed exactly his successful strategy. I have to know my lender this (a friend).
AND.......I'll face fears I've not faced yet.

I'm challenged MAINLY since I associate SUCCESS with being a YES-MAN. This is why I've bailed out of many successful opportunities. I can NOT make EVERYONE happy.

My gain: I'm told I'll make back my money in 6-10 days, and I'll never have to buy another WSO. Great news here, as I have a lot of unused info in my head and in my computer. Also, I'll face some fears (!)


I can NOT make EVERYONE happy.
I can NOT make EVERYONE happy.
I can NOT make EVERYONE happy.

I'm writing here to know I'm not alone.

I'm trading my "norm", one which is predictable, with one which has unknowns. Anyone relate?

Any success stories would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

fhorns2000
#coachingi #forward #push
  • Profile picture of the author ElGuapo
    How much are you being charged by this Warrior?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

    I have to borrow money for it.
    Not good!


    Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

    Additionally, my (future) coach has not disclosed exactly his successful strategy.
    Very bad!


    Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

    I associate SUCCESS with being a YES-MAN
    Never appropriate.


    Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

    I've bailed out of many successful opportunities.
    Very, very bad!!

    If I were you . . . Just Say NO!

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author fhorns2000
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Not good!




      Very bad!




      Never appropriate.




      Very, very bad!!

      If I were you . . . Just Say NO!

      Steve
      Steve,
      You gave no reasons, just simple answers. Would you explain your responses?

      Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

        Steve, You gave no reasons, just simple answers. Would you explain your responses?
        There's not much explaining necessary, other than common sense.

        1. If you have to borrow money for it, there's a very good chance that you really can't afford it. I've listened to the horror stories over the past 10 years I've been on the WF about people taking on massive debt before they ever figured out how to make money online. Many never reach that point. I say, conserve your cash to spend on ramping up your business once you have proven your business model and marketing strategy.
        2. IMO, any coach that tells you nothing about his approach is doing you a great disservice. Most of the legitimate coaches that I've seen don't hesitate to "lay open" what you'll be doing. No, they won't go into specific details without your payment; but it sounds to me in this case the guy isn't willing to divulge anything. You are buying "sight unseen" and that is a red flag warning in my mind.
        3. "Yes-men" doesn't fit the typical successful entrepreneur profile. Business owners have to be creative, adaptive, willing to try new things, not swayed by common opinion, and not too concerned about what others think of them. That's not a Yes Man!
        4. If you've had a history of bailing out of other successful opportunities, chances are very good that you won't stick with this one either. Successful business owners persist and push through all barriers. You haven't done that - you've just quit. It doesn't sound to me like you've had any major changes in your attitude so I'm guessing the odds are against you of finally sticking it out!
        Of course, you'll do what you want . . . but you asked for feedback and you have mine. I've spent an entire career working with small businesses. I've seen the successful ones and I've seen the failures. No offense, but you can fail or become successful without a questionable mentor.


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        • Profile picture of the author fhorns2000
          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

          There's not much explaining necessary, other than common sense.

          1. If you have to borrow money for it, there's a very good chance that you really can't afford it. I've listened to the horror stories over the past 10 years I've been on the WF about people taking on massive debt before they ever figured out how to make money online. Many never reach that point. I say, conserve your cash to spend on ramping up your business once you have proven your business model and marketing strategy.
          2. IMO, any coach that tells you nothing about his approach is doing you a great disservice. Most of the legitimate coaches that I've seen don't hesitate to "lay open" what you'll be doing. No, they won't go into specific details without your payment; but it sounds to me in this case the guy isn't willing to divulge anything. You are buying "sight unseen" and that is a red flag warning in my mind.
          3. "Yes-men" doesn't fit the typical successful entrepreneur profile. Business owners have to be creative, adaptive, willing to try new things, not swayed by common opinion, and not too concerned about what others think of them. That's not a Yes Man!
          4. If you've had a history of bailing out of other successful opportunities, chances are very good that you won't stick with this one either. Successful business owners persist and push through all barriers. You haven't done that - you've just quit. It doesn't sound to me like you've had any major changes in your attitude so I'm guessing the odds are against you of finally sticking it out!
          Of course, you'll do what you want . . . but you asked for feedback and you have mine. I've spent an entire career working with small businesses. I've seen the successful ones and I've seen the failures. No offense, but you can fail or become successful without a questionable mentor.


          Steve
          I totally agree Steve. You've not offended me, and I asked for your feedback. My main reluctance, again, was me and my tendency to bail. This is my greatest block to success--my beliefs--not anything else.

          Your truth, though painful, is better than if I followed some fantasy thinking. It sucks, but...at this moment it's true. Thank you for telling me this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

    I have been offered coaching by a successful WF marketer here. I can move forward with this. I think I am only battling-----ME.
    Did you approach the coach or did they approach you?
    How do you know they are a successful WF marketer?
    Without knowing the strategy, he/she promises money back in 6-10 days? If not, the what?

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author fhorns2000
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Did you approach the coach or did they approach you?
      How do you know they are a successful WF marketer?
      Without knowing the strategy, he/she promises money back in 6-10 days? If not, the what?

      Mark
      Mark,
      I approached him.

      I've seen his stats and his profits from his own WSO's on WarriorPlus.

      It's a higher priced ticket due to contact level and return value.
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    AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author fhorns2000
      Ok.

      I know fear-based responses when I see them. No explanation + major exclamations promote more fear, not mindful decision making.

      Come on guys. These replies have not educated me. Not so far.

      Explanations help. They always do.
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      • Profile picture of the author ElGuapo
        Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

        Ok.

        I know fear-based responses when I see them. No explanation + major exclamations promote more fear, not mindful decision making.
        I don't mean to criticise, mate, but look at what you're saying: to get in debt, risking a friendship, in order to take on an unexplained opportunity with somebody you know little about. Does that strike you as mindful decision making?

        You're abdicating responsibility. You're hoping that your friend can give you the money you want and that the Warrior can give you the success that you want. Many of us have been in the same boat, btw - there's a reason why the most profitable niche online is internet marketing!

        You can make money without spending a dime. Just ask how, or search for threads. If you need hosting or to buy a domain, then do some cheap freelance services to make that money. You'll feel better about it and, perversely, probably be more likely to follow through on your plans than if you're using someone else's cash.

        And if you feel you can't do it on your own, then join a mastermind group. Make some online contacts. See if you can team up with people and keep each other accountable, or even go into business together.
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        • Profile picture of the author fhorns2000
          Originally Posted by ElGuapo View Post

          I don't mean to criticise, mate, but look at what you're saying: to get in debt, risking a friendship, in order to take on an unexplained opportunity with somebody you know little about. Does that strike you as mindful decision making?

          You're abdicating responsibility. You're hoping that your friend can give you the money you want and that the Warrior can give you the success that you want. Many of us have been in the same boat, btw - there's a reason why the most profitable niche online is internet marketing!

          You can make money without spending a dime. Just ask how, or search for threads. If you need hosting or to buy a domain, then do some cheap freelance services to make that money. You'll feel better about it and, perversely, probably be more likely to follow through on your plans than if you're using someone else's cash.

          And if you feel you can't do it on your own, then join a mastermind group. Make some online contacts. See if you can team up with people and keep each other accountable, or even go into business together.
          ElGuapo,

          Your words are gold. No wonder I felt sqeamish talking to my friend today.

          Thank you very, very much for sharing that--it spoke to me honestly. I truly appreciate your message.

          (abdicating---yikes!!----but true. Thank you)
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        • Profile picture of the author fhorns2000
          ElGuapo,

          You spoke of mastermind groups. Where might I find them? If you can't post links here, PM me.

          Thank you for offering some avenue to help myself.
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          • Profile picture of the author ElGuapo
            Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

            ElGuapo,

            You spoke of mastermind groups. Where might I find them? If you can't post links here, PM me.

            Thank you for offering some avenue to help myself.
            The Warrior Forum has its own forum for this: Local Meetups, Mastermind Groups and Warrior Events

            If you're in need of some psychological support, try here: Mind Warriors

            And here's a list of some money-making ideas to get you started when you're strapped for cash: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ate-index.html

            Really, there's no trick to any of this. Start a blog documenting your journey. Read and comment on other blogs. Search Google for other mastermind groups. Develop a strong Skype contact list. And above all, put in some work every day, even if only an hour or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I think it is good you are ready to move forward. The internal battle is always the hardest one to win.

    A couple of thoughts about this opportunity but note that we only know what you've written here.

    1. Selling a bunch of WSOs proves one thing - they can sell a bunch of WSOs. Have you checked their threads for attitude, refund requests, etc?

    2. The promise that a rank beginner can make their money back in 6-10 days is a huge red flag. If they help you do anything it will be a WSO probably. Are you ready for that? Do you have a product ready to go? No hint of the strategy but a blind promise is always bad.

    3. Assuming the coach will teach you about creating a WSO, most of them are successful due to affiliates mailing for them. Do you have a list of affiliates in place that are willing to mail or will the coach provide this?

    4. What else have you tried? Sounds like you have bought some WSOs but have perhaps given up on them. Why? How do you know you won't be full of doubts even with a coach? I mean you haven't even started and are having doubts already.

    To me, picking something worthwhile that you have bought before and forcing yourself to work through it from beginning to end and seeing a little success would be almost a prerequisite for coaching. From what I see I don't think you are ready but that doesn't mean you can't succeed. It just means that there are a lot of people that receive coaching that fail.

    5. Without knowing the strategy, what if they want you to do something you don't want to do? For example, they want you to create 2 hours of videos but you hate your voice or don't want to do videos? What if what they want you to do requires a lot more investment?

    I'm only throwing this out there to help give you the push you asked for but my push is to make sure you are making the right decision.

    Mark

    Edit - apparently Steve and I were posting at the same time. Similarities in content is not intentional.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by fhorns2000 View Post

    My tradeoff: I have to borrow money for it. Additionally, my (future) coach has not disclosed exactly his successful strategy. I have to know my lender this (a friend).
    AND.......I'll face fears I've not faced yet.



    fhorns2000
    fhorns,
    I would really take a step back and analyze this. I think you MUST ask this Coach to see verifiable evidence of his own Success.

    And I am not talking about the amount of Money he has made as a Coach. But the actual money he has made putting IM principles to use.

    If he is legit he will have NO problem giving you verifiable evidence of his Success.

    And he must have been full time at it too.

    If he hesitates or gets frustrated when you ask this... then that is your cue MOVE ON



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  • Profile picture of the author wfletch24
    A lot of great advice has been given above. Based on what you provided in your initial thread I would say no this does not sound like a sound decision to move forward. However, I will say that having a coach can be a tremendous thing if it is a right fit. Having a coach can often help you get over some of the mental barriers that are holding you back. You have someone on your side giving you the confidence you need to be successful. There are also there to provide you guidance and help you through the stopping points.

    Like I said, based on what you provided I wouldn't move forward in this situation but I didn't want people to get the impression that coaching cannot be valuable in the right situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob Reynolds
    I would hold off... get some experience with the basics first. Getting a coach to early can be frustrating for you and the coach. Save your money and build as you go. If you stay focused to building your blog site, and working on convertible sqz pages through testing, there and you funnels, get your tracking down so you know when to scale, or able to see what ad is hitting well. As soon as you get your first subscriber engage with them and stay consistent. Stay focused on the nuts and bolts of building a list. Stick with those fundamentals. These are the backbone of marketing, internet and off net... you want go wrong investing your time and money in these places. If you have site and automated system up and tracking you have a big part of the learning curve out the way. Be patient and don't chase the big buck. Build your stage and prepare your show and they will come... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Build your stage and prepare your show and they will come... lol
    No, no they won't.

    Build your stage and prepare your show and drive targeted traffic to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author C G
    Coaching is only here for accountability... You can get all information to make money online/start an online business free on this forum...

    Do you really need this? Are you not grown up enough to take action on your own?

    Cheers,

    C.G.
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