Is a 2.8MB size Ebook Too LARGE for Dial-Up Customers?

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My ebook size is 2.8MB, is that too BIG and too SLOW loading of a time for dial-up customers, or is that a decent enough size?

How long will that size TAKE most dial up people? about 5 to 10 minutes???

Are most people using dial up these days or DSL? Any info would be appreciated, and your opinions would be super!!

Especially anyone who sells their own ebooks...ever get complaints on the load time?

I also plan on putting the size for them to see also....


Thanks guys for all your help!!!
Sheila
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  • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
    Hi Sheila

    I haven't heard of dial up for ages! I think you can safely assume most of your customers will be on broadband. Most sites nowadays you wouldn't even be able to view propely with dial up, it would be too slow. At a push, people could download 2.8 meg on dial up but again, I doubt you'll ever come across this now. As for me however, I still use a Zx spectrum, or if I need something a bit faster, a commodore 64. :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author Pete Egeler
      Originally Posted by phil.wheatley View Post

      Hi Sheila

      I haven't heard of dial up for ages! I think you can safely assume most of your customers will be on broadband. Most sites nowadays you wouldn't even be able to view propely with dial up, it would be too slow. At a push, people could download 2.8 meg on dial up but again, I doubt you'll ever come across this now. As for me however, I still use a Zx spectrum, or if I need something a bit faster, a commodore 64. :-)

      Phil
      Remember what happens when you assume? You make an ass out of U and ME!

      I'm on dial up, and I know 25 other customers in my area that are also. We DO NOT have a choice, as $300 for a receiver & $60 a month to the satellite folks is way too much.

      Download time for 2.8 would be about 20 minutes. No problem, just slow.

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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I use both High Speed and Dial up.

    I find there is not much I can't do on my dial up connection and even choose it sometimes for downloading. I downloaded a 100 meg file the other day. (literally the whole DAY.)

    If your ebook were something I wanted badly I'd download it.

    OK here is the trick. Recommend to your dial up customers that they get "Free Download Manager" that is the actual name. Google it and provide the link to your customers.

    It breaks large Downloads up into 4 segments, downloads them all at once and puts them back together into one file. I don't know how but it just does.

    The beauty of it is that when, not if but when, the connection gets interrupted it will start where it left off and complete the download.

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  • Profile picture of the author bobwalk
    George is spot on. The "Free Download Manager" is the way to go. Depending on dial-up
    service 2.8mb can take 10-20 mins. I only use my dial-up when my broadband connection goes down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Shain
      Looking through my collection of goodies I have acquired over the years, I have an ebook that is only a few hundred kb to one that is over 7mb...

      I don't think 2.8mb is too large and like mentioned above, if they want your product bad enough they will find a way to download it.

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    I used dial up for years and it was hardly even a problem. If I remember right, Open Office was about a 6 hour download. I just set the computer not to go to sleep like me, started the download and turned in for the night.

    If a download was up to an hour long, usually I would just do other things on the puter like writing while it was happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    I agree, download time on dialup is probably around 20 minutes for that file size, so it's probably fine.

    Having said that, if you can shrink the size of your ebook, that'd be good too.

    Often it's really huge pictures that make the large size of the ebook. Can you shrink the picture size before you insert them into your PDF doc?

    This can really cut down file sizes.

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Mention the file size on the salespage so your customers know what to expect.


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  • Profile picture of the author plugsnpixels
    BTW, if you have Adobe Acrobat Pro (or similar apps) you can optimize your PDFs. I do this with my ezines (I output them from the original graphics app as uncompressed PDFs and let Acrobat handle the crunching and final prep. They go from about 50 megs to under 2).

    As for your original question, 2.8 megs is not horrible on dial-up; just a little patience is required. But see if the PDF can be further optimized, just for fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author geolt7
    Hi,

    I think you worry too much. the population of dialup users are but a very small fraction of the online community. Do not worry for the 1% and go ahead and target the 99%!
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    No, I don't think it's too large, my video file is around 65MB.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    Why not tell your dial up customers that you can burn it to a CD and mail it to them? Doing it for free would be a nice touch but I think most people would pay a buck or two for the extra help.
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    Im on dial up also.My town is about 3,000 people in the hills and half the town is on dial up because of price.We have no choice but low and slow or fast and broke.
    Anyway,i just downloaded that free ebook on the wordpress website setup.It is 5.6MB.about.
    Took me 30 minutes at 7:00 pm tonight.Prime time for my town to be hogging the dial up service.
    Any files between 1 to 2MB take about 10-15 minutes.
    Ill see if i can ask my service provider how many dial up accounts they have,just for the Phoenix metro area.
    I know quite a few peolpe in Phoenix on AOL dial up.
    Aol has a large dial up customer base also.
    But basiclly you should be fine.I would do as suggested and just let people know that on dial up it will take a few or extra minutes.
    This will go a long way in customer trust and being truthfull.
    I hate it [especially after i purchase something]and it wasnt disclosed it was a alarge file.One time i had to ask for a refund,there was just no way i could have done it.
    But it was my fault i guess for not asking because it was videos.
    I shoud have known better.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedMatrix
    Wow, 2.8MB is two diskettes! (1.44 x 2)
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Campbell
    With a size of only 2.8MB, I personally would not care how long it took someone to download it. That is a really small size. I've seen ebooks that were 25MB+ before. The fact is that most people nowadays have broadband and you can't worry about the people who don't. They are used to waiting for things anyway, I assure you.
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  • Profile picture of the author howudoin
    My ebook size is 2.8MB, is that too BIG and too SLOW loading of a time for dial-up customers, or is that a decent enough size?

    How long will that size TAKE most dial up people? about 5 to 10 minutes???

    Are most people using dial up these days or DSL? Any info would be appreciated, and your opinions would be super!!

    Especially anyone who sells their own ebooks...ever get complaints on the load time?

    I also plan on putting the size for them to see also....


    Thanks guys for all your help!!!
    Sheila
    I'm on a CDMA based connection which is a little better than dial-up. The average download/upload speed that I get is a Maximum of 20Kbps, in other words, very low. Even then I easily download large files (Many upto 200 MB) on my computer. No big trick but by simply using a download manager. You can get one Free at http://www.freedownloadmanager.org

    This software downloads files Just like any other Peer to Peer software (Emule or Bittorrent). A 2.8MB file can be easily downloaded in 10 Minutes using this.

    On your download page, tell your customers that If you're on DIALUP then download the ebook using a download manager (You can also Link directly to the download page for the same).
    Bhupinder
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrian Cooper
    Originally Posted by simba999 View Post

    My ebook size is 2.8MB, is that too BIG and too SLOW loading of a time for dial-up customers, or is that a decent enough size?

    How long will that size TAKE most dial up people? about 5 to 10 minutes???

    Are most people using dial up these days or DSL? Any info would be appreciated, and your opinions would be super!!

    Especially anyone who sells their own ebooks...ever get complaints on the load time?

    I also plan on putting the size for them to see also....


    Thanks guys for all your help!!!
    Sheila
    2.8MB is not too big for dialup. Not many people have dialup these days so you have to with the majority.

    In the past I have split books in to 1MB sections or even chapters which is another approach, or, as has been suggested, offer to send it on CD for a handling and shipping cost.

    I have just produced an Audio Book version of my Paperback book, and is is 1.5GB.
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  • Profile picture of the author homebasedmom
    I think most of the people is using now a days is DSL and broadbands, so it won't take so much time to download 2.8mb of file.
    But it also depends on the location of the downloader and how fast can their connection can download. Here in the Philippines if the weather is bad the connection goes slow.
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    • Profile picture of the author clbeav
      2.8MB is certainly manageable for Dialup users. Note: For people who don't know, there's plenty of people in the US who can't receive wired broadband. For instance, my dad can't receive wired broadband, but he does have satellite.

      For most though, satellite is too expensive of an alternative (especially in these tough economic times). Dailup isn't ideal for them, but they literally have no other options.
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      • Profile picture of the author simba999
        WOW!!! I am shocked with all the amazing and helpful replies!! THanks everyone for your help!!!

        All super ideas, and great info. I had no idea broadband was the "norm" and dial up was the "not norm"...surprising to me, but awesome!

        Last night I fiddled around w/ open office, and when "converting it to pdf" there were many options there, and one of them was to reduce the image quality...so i did it at 75% quality and WOW!! It shrunk my file to only 0.97MB.....yup!!! AWESOME, and the quality was the same....i guess my photos were in a higher DPI than i needed, but it still "looks" the same...yes, i have a lot of photos.

        Thanks everyone, so even if i ever do have anything at about 3MB or so...i guess it will be okay. Thanks guys!! You rock!!

        And Rich, thanks for the CD idea and to everyone who mentioned the download manager, i think that is SUPER...i will offer those probably also, anyway

        Sheila
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Aside from the quality reduction in PDF's and CD's you could also Zip the files to save a few more space..

    I zipped a text only pdf of 74kb and it was reduced to 68kb a reduction of 6kb in size..

    It's small but it will still help. Just mention an option for zipped files for download because some people might not have the necessary softwares to unzip (but windows have this as built in feature)

    To your success!

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  • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
    No it's not... I mean, you can download the file in around 15 mins on a 32kbps connection.
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  • Profile picture of the author simba999
    Thanks guys!! Awesome, yeah i remember when i had crappy dial up too...ugh....always getting booted off was the frustrating part, and that is what irritates people when downloading and then POOF!...you are now offline and must begin again...

    but yeah, 15 min. is not too bad at all!!! Thanks guys makes me feel much much calmer and better about this whole thing....and so happy i was able to shrink it to under 1MB...NICE

    Sheila
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  • Profile picture of the author tmdassc
    Being one that has dial-up only in my area of a total of 457 houses, No, 2.8mb is not too large for dial-up customers. As most have said and agree, it's just slow. I have downloaded products which were 20 times that large.

    The things that really slow dial-ups down is images, audio, and videos. Video loads so slow on dial-up that I bypass them all. George Wright had a great suggestion... refer folks to "free download manager".
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  • Profile picture of the author simba999
    is the download manager you guys are talking about this one?

    Free Download Manager - absolutely free download accelerator and manager or another one?

    nevermind, the link was given above...this is the same YAY!!
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