Ever Made Any Real Substantial Cash From Any IM Products Teachings ?

[Vortex]

Like a lot of people, I have purchased quite a few IM products in my time. Most of them are either re-hashed information that has been seen before, or just plain rubbish and not value for money.

Has anyone actually purchased a product from a so called guru, followed what it's teaching were, tutorials etc, and actually made any substantial cash from it's information ?

Recently I emailed the vendor of "The Clickbank Code" - RRP $77
I wanted to test how much the vendor stood by the product and would back up what the sales letter and videos were promising. So, I asked for a free copy of the product on the basis that when I had put the teachings to use, I would not send $77 to the vendor, but actually send $777 from the first months earnings (as the potential earnings being advertised were supposed to be potentially way more than that). I ensured that full name, address and contact number were given so that the vendor could check that I was for real, and even offered to escrow the payment.

I reckon you can all guess what the reply was ........... .. yep, NEGATORY!

So, therefore - immediately the vendors credibility was shot with me, because obviously the product does not produce what it says on the tin. If it did, then there would have been no issue with a complimentary copy.

It seems that every other product that hits the market is just a quick cash generator that does not deliver even 50% of what it promises.

Having said that, if I had the perfect IM money making system that was earning me loads of money, would I really want to market it and spill the beans ? Probably not - which is why there are not many decent products with good methods out there.

If anyone disagrees I would be grateful to be corrected on the matter.

Best Regards and ...

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[BradCarroll]

No, I don't think the vendor's credibility was shot. All he did was refuse to give away $77 worth of product in return for soemthing that sounded pretty shady. Because sorry, your offer did.

Now personally, I would've just given you the product; even though it'd be about 95% you were just bsing, that 5% chance that you could provide me a "I had to beg for a copy but then guess what I work online for 2 hrs every day now" would have been priceless. And cost me nothing.

At least, nothing until it got around that I could be had with a sucker's story.

Seriously, Vortex: for you to say that someone lost credibility b/c they didn't give you something for free...sorry dude but that seems a little back-asswards to me.

[Corwinnx]

I'll tell you why the vendor's reply was 'negatory.'

People percieve 'free' as 'without value.'

'If it was worth anything, why would he give it away?'

So the 'freebie seeker' still does nothing with the product, except maybe usurp the vendors time with questions to which he will have no respect for the answers anyway. Subsequently, the vendor gets blamed again.

I speak from raw experience on this subject. I have been asked to 'show people' how I make money. When I do, they argue with everything I say, because they think they know better... after all, if I am so good, why would I be 'giving away' these secrets instead of selling them?

Regards,
Marcus Ramirez

[Vortex]

Er, think you might be missing the point here dude. I wasn't fishing for a freebie, I was trying to ascertain how confident the guy was about his money making methods that he crowed on and on about in his pre-sales videos. Far from getting anything backwards ...

If I went on and on about how many thousands of dollars you could earn in 4 weeks, and was confident that my methods were sound, why would I not back it up if one person contacted me in the same manner ? I'm not saying I would give it away again and again, I mean how many people would offer the same deal ?

I was offering the guy $700 more than the product cost, and putting the money in Escrow (i.e. he could see it was there), so I wasn't presenting him with a shady deal.

Sheesh!

[Damien Roche]

This is probably why so many people fail: they rely on a product or course to make them successful. Remember when first setting out, it was secret this, secret that...the REAL secret is that there are no secrets and the ONLY knowledge you need is a basic understanding of how this industry works.

The ONLY thing you should be paying for are services and software and SOMETIMES information from RELIABLE and TRUSTED sources. Even then, the information needs to be so damn good, it contests with the wealth of information already freely available.

[misterwrecker]

I do not own the Clickbank Code but if the product is really good then the vendor did not give you his product in exchange for you following his system and then paying him $777 is because he knows the VAST MAJORITY of people (I want to say 99%) will not put in the time and effort it takes to make that kind of money.

[David McKee]

Back in the early '90s, when the internet was new (I started on it when it was still called the Arpa-Net so I am dating myself) I used to spam post to Usenet Groups (yes yes , shame on me, I don't do that anymore) - I was selling an actual product which was a pic micro-controller add-on for your Play Station so you could play Japanese games in the US. I used basic direct mail copy techniques and I sold thousands of dollars of those things - so many that I had to stay up long nights programming and soldering them together. I stick with software and info products now.

The techniques work, correct copy works, but the main ingredient? WORK.

There is just no getting around that part. So yes, to your title, I made some substantial cash using basic techniques - I would not suggest any kind of spam these days, but the fact is people read my copy, and I only got a few irritated posts because I was offering a real product and was not too over the top about it. I usually tried to say something with regard to the new category too.

David T. McKee

[Scott Ames]

I wouldn't have sold it on that basis either. Most people do squat with the products they purchase. It may not be lack of faith in the technique being taught, but lack of faith that you will do anything with it, let alone pay him if it works.

[Platinum Matt]

The amount of times over the years I've heard...

Give it to me and then if it works I'll tell everybody I know.

Cheap skate. Freebie seeking.

Sorry, dare I say it...

Losers.

Pay the cash. Use it. Doesn't work? Claim your refund (all my products have them).

Never sold IM products, always been other niches and I've heard this so many times over the years, it just makes me yawn.

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by Vortex

Er, think you might be missing the point here dude. I wasn't fishing for a freebie, I was trying to ascertain how confident the guy was about his money making methods that he crowed on and on about in his pre-sales videos. Far from getting anything backwards ...

If I went on and on about how many thousands of dollars you could earn in 4 weeks, and was confident that my methods were sound, why would I not back it up if one person contacted me in the same manner ? I'm not saying I would give it away again and again, I mean how many people would offer the same deal ?

I was offering the guy $700 more than the product cost, and putting the money in Escrow (i.e. he could see it was there), so I wasn't presenting him with a shady deal.

Sheesh!

I agree with the other guy. I'm not familiar with the product you're talking about, but if you'd made me this kind of offer I'd be insulted. I'm no longer surprised by the number of people who have the gall to ask for free copies of products, nor the varieties of offers or reasons or excuses they put forth.

I would have just deleted your request. There's no difference between your wacky "non-offer" and some guy telling me about how he's a handicapped veteran and just needs to make some money online really fast to save his grandkids house. Both mostly bull****.

I'm curious what do you think this vendor is supposed to think? Is he supposed to be impressed by your moxie? Just seems like a wasted effort. Spend your time doing something that will actually benefit yourself and others.

:P

[Jake03]

To the OP: I think the original question was a fair one; Ever Made Any Real Substantial Cash From Any IM Products Teachings ?

Then you got off track somewhere with the rest of your post.

Take a look at this thread concerning your first question:

"WSO Leads to Legal Trouble "

[Vortex]

Thanks everyone for your comments and opinions.
Guess that's me put in my place then.

Maybe I could have described it in a more appropriate way. No offence intended with my original post, just a point of discussion.

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