At last I'm making money online.

by Isandy
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In October of 2014 I've started to promote a product that I bought, its called "How To Make $80 Per Day", at first I was discouraged to keep promoting it because I wasn't seen any money at all, but then I remembered that before I have done 1 of the most common newbie mistakes, that is "don't give a system a fair try and move to the next shinning object".

I decided that I'll keep up my efforts for at least 3 months doing my best with this one and I did, and recently I just checked my e-mail and found that I've been paid from the owner of the system $30.25 because I had made 5 sales, I know is not much and maybe is not the big deal, but it's feel awesome to start making money online, these are my first sales and my first $30.25 ever.

Also, I keep it up for 3 months because I've found that as an affiliate you can wait up to 90 days to being paid, I know I'll be making more money, I'm truly exited and I want to encourage others to don't give up, because it's possible (Like Les Brown says)

Hope you are being successful too.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by Mr Isandy View Post

    In October of 2014 I've started to promote a product that I bought, its called "How To Make $80 Per Day", at first I was discouraged to keep promoting it because I wasn't seen any money at all, but then I remembered that before I have done 1 of the most common newbie mistakes, that is "don't give a system a fair try and move to the next shinning object".

    I decided that I'll keep up my efforts for at least 3 months doing my best with this one and I did, and recently I just checked my e-mail and found that I've been paid from the owner of the system $30.25 because I had made 5 sales, I know is not much and maybe is not the big deal, but it's feel awesome to start making money online, these are my first sales and my first $30.25 ever.

    Also, I keep it up for 3 months because I've found that as an affiliate you can wait up to 90 days to being paid, I know I'll be making more money, I'm truly exited and I want to encourage others to don't give up, because it's possible (Like Les Brown says)

    Hope you are being successful too.

    Congrats Mr.Isandy !

    Keep up the good work. There is nothing more satisfying when you see those first few bucks roll in.

    Your work is paying off ,so continue forward



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  • Profile picture of the author nizamkhan
    Awesome!

    Congrats and best wishes for more

    As said, hard work always pays off. Keep going

    - Nizam
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  • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
    Your story is an encouraging one. Congrats and looking forward for your updates about making more money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Mr Isandy View Post

      In October of 2014 I've started to promote a product that I bought, its called "How To Make $80 Per Day", at first I was discouraged to keep promoting it because I wasn't seen any money at all
      Not even $80 per day?

      Originally Posted by webdevpro View Post

      Your story is an encouraging one.
      I admit I'd be absolutely dismayed by it, myself, though this is certainly very typical of what happens when people make the mistake of setting out in "MMO niches".

      Sorry if I sound churlish about it. That isn't my intention: I'm just disappointed (and slightly surprised) to see a thread-full of replies saying "Well done, keep going" and "Do more of the same" and "Just scale it up" when in my opinion it's fairly clear that the OP would be much better advised to be doing something completely different, and more promptly monetizable.


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  • Profile picture of the author Adrianhenry
    I love posts like this! It is truly exciting to see other people putting in the hard work and starting to get some results! Just keep up the great work and start building an empire!

    Gogogogo!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    That's great stuff. I hope that amount is in addition to the $80 a day!

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    • Profile picture of the author Allset800
      Congratulations to you ..Keep up the good work
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  • Profile picture of the author ronyoung
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    thats great just keep working and getting more sales. It will only get easier from here
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  • Profile picture of the author SnackMemory
    Great job... That really is the golden rules, understand it takes time and some effort. If you plan well and have a good idea and work in that direction to make it happen it will all work out in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug
    Nice work Mr Isandy for you to choose to keep at the project. The money sort of becomes a side blessing to the discovery that perseverance really makes a difference. Imagine what you can do in the future!

    I celebrate with you!!

    Best,
    Doug

    On a side note, funny how you can go through threads around here reading posters saying "stay focused" or "pick one idea" to over come the newbie shiny object syndrome, and then read too, right here in this thread, how pathetic the outcome to be. Actually it isn't funny, it's sad.

    Originally Posted by Mr Isandy View Post

    In October of 2014 I've started to promote a product that I bought, its called "How To Make $80 Per Day", at first I was discouraged to keep promoting it because I wasn't seen any money at all, but then I remembered that before I have done 1 of the most common newbie mistakes, that is "don't give a system a fair try and move to the next shinning object".

    I decided that I'll keep up my efforts for at least 3 months doing my best with this one and I did, and recently I just checked my e-mail and found that I've been paid from the owner of the system $30.25 because I had made 5 sales, I know is not much and maybe is not the big deal, but it's feel awesome to start making money online, these are my first sales and my first $30.25 ever.

    Also, I keep it up for 3 months because I've found that as an affiliate you can wait up to 90 days to being paid, I know I'll be making more money, I'm truly exited and I want to encourage others to don't give up, because it's possible (Like Les Brown says)

    Hope you are being successful too.
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  • Profile picture of the author QueenMelanie
    well done, know figure out exactley where your leads are coming from, to see what works, and scale it up big time!
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  • I'm glad to see your having some kind of success. Just be sure to continue growing, learning, and expanding what you already know. Don't be scared to scale it up as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    Congrats for your success and first step of making money online. Just scale it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author mdabidv
    Congrats... glad to see you are finding success. Such success eve if it is just tiny bit helps us keep working hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheWriteOne
    Congratulations! Your $30.25 would be just the tip of the iceberg for you if you continue to put in hard work and dedication to your online money making system. Next time we hear from you, there should be a K or M at the end of those digits.

    Keep up the good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Keep it going Mr. I!

    Focus on freeing yourself and on freeing your audience. Keep that driver pretty dang pure and the money will flow in, and you'll also inspire so many more people. Which is super exciting too

    Onward and upward!

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  • Profile picture of the author Winning34
    So basically you have been selling a product teaching people how to do something that you don't know how to do yourself? It's the blind leading the blind.

    lol and people wonder why the MMO info product industry has such a bad reputation.....
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Winning34 View Post

      So basically you have been selling a product teaching people how to do something that you don't know how to do yourself? It's the blind leading the blind.

      lol and people wonder why the MMO info product industry has such a bad reputation.....
      As opposed to pushing weight loss products without having used them...or any other product promoted as an affiliate without having personal experience with the product?

      MMO shouldn't be singled out for this because it happens for every industry/market.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Not even $80 per day?

      I admit I'd be absolutely dismayed by it, myself, though this is certainly very typical of what happens when people make the mistake of setting out in "MMO niches".

      Sorry if I sound churlish about it. That isn't my intention: I'm just disappointed (and slightly surprised) to see a thread-full of replies saying "Well done, keep going" and "Do more of the same" and "Just scale it up" when in my opinion it's fairly clear that the OP would be much better advised to be doing something completely different, and more promptly monetizable.

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      I 100% prefer these results based threads as opposite to the "I don't have a clue, please help" types that we've seen a lot of recently.

      Even if the OP is making as little as $5 daily, that's more than 90+% of this forum, so in all honesty a tiny bit of praise for a positive result can't hurt *shrugs shoulders*
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      • Profile picture of the author Alast
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        I 100% prefer these results based threads as opposite to the "I don't have a clue, please help" types that we've seen a lot of recently.

        Even if the OP is making as little as $5 daily, that's more than 90+% of this forum, so in all honesty a tiny bit of praise for a positive result can't hurt *shrugs shoulders*
        Seriously? You'd prefer someone sharing "success" in a niche they evidently have no clue about (rich coming from me, I know) opposed to someone genuinely wanting to learn more about internet marketing?

        Praising the OP for something which is doubtfully sustainable for them whilst giving a significant of other members the idea that the IM market is one which they should enter, is not something which should be praised. It's disillusioning LOTS of people, particularly those who have no experience with internet marketing.

        You're literally praising the blind leading the blind.

        I'm incredibly thankful I chose who to listen to wisely.
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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by Alast View Post

          Seriously? You'd prefer someone sharing "success" in a niche they evidently have no clue about (rich coming from me, I know) opposed to someone genuinely wanting to learn more about internet marketing?

          Praising the OP for something which is doubtfully sustainable for them whilst giving a significant of other members the idea that the IM market is one which they should enter, is not something which should be praised. It's disillusioning LOTS of people, particularly those who have no experience with internet marketing.

          You're literally praising the blind leading the blind.

          I'm incredibly thankful I chose who to listen to wisely.
          Dude, I'm not praising it, I'm literally saying i prefer result threads to those which are incredibly vague of people asking how they can start when there are 100's on the same topic.

          The OP's success may not be sustainable, and i certainly don't condone the practice of promoting products in which the marketer has zero expertise in, but it's one step out of hopefully many more enriching and knowledge gaining steps that will come.

          I merely like "results" based threads, period. It might be iffy how the income was created, but I personally can't stand the hyper general/vague threads asking how to start when the search tool for the WF should be the FIRST thing used in those situations prior to creating such a thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alast
            Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

            Dude, I'm not praising it, I'm literally saying i prefer result threads to those which are incredibly vague of people asking how they can start when there are 100's on the same topic.

            The OP's success may not be sustainable, and i certainly don't condone the practice of promoting products in which the marketer has zero expertise in, but it's one step out of hopefully many more enriching and knowledge gaining steps that will come.

            I merely like "results" based threads, period. It might be iffy how the income was created, but I personally can't stand the hyper general/vague threads asking how to start when the search tool for the WF should be the FIRST thing used in those situations prior to creating such a thread.
            I think threads are both bad, but I disagree when you say you prefer these specific results threads over someone clueless asking for help, even if technically, they should search for similar threads. But you need to understand that things change over years. It's somewhat rational for a new person to seek help without researching because they want up-to-date answers.

            I'm afraid I just can't agree with you here - let's leave it at that.
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            • Profile picture of the author heavysm
              Originally Posted by Alast View Post

              I think threads are both bad, but I disagree when you say you prefer these specific results threads over someone clueless asking for help, even if technically, they should search for similar threads. But you need to understand that things change over years. It's somewhat rational for a new person to seek help without researching because they want up-to-date answers.

              I'm afraid I just can't agree with you here - let's leave it at that.
              I guess I've just been a WF member too long.

              Seeing the constant "need help ASAP" thread every other day it can be a little hopeful to see a result thread once in a while. It didn't completely sink in that the money was made on a MMO product, but i get the frustration (it's been a long day lol).
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

                it can be a little hopeful to see a result thread once in a while.

                Not at all "hopeful", for me, when it's an account of someone taking over 4 months to make a total of $30 from a book called "How To Make $80 Per Day". You couldn't make this stuff up. It could be a satire, except apparently it isn't! I call that "directly symptomatic of what typically goes wrong", not "hopeful".

                Still, it wasn't even that, that prompted me to post: it was all the nonsense-posts following it, saying "Well done; keep going; just scale it up" rather than even attempting any comments based on honesty, integrity and some genuine advice for the OP, along the lines of "Hey, what's actually going on here? Do you think it's perhaps time to reconsider this activity, and focus your attention on something a little more productive, promising and based in reality, rather than in a complete dream-world?".


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                • Profile picture of the author heavysm
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  Not at all "hopeful", for me, when it's an account of someone taking over 4 months to make a total of $30 from a book called "How To Make $80 Per Day". You couldn't make this stuff up. It could be a satire, except apparently it isn't! I call that "directly symptomatic of what typically goes wrong", not "hopeful".

                  Still, it wasn't even that, that prompted me to post: it was all the nonsense-posts following it, saying "Well done; keep going; just scale it up" rather than even attempting any comments based on honesty, integrity and some genuine advice for the OP, along the lines of "Hey, what's actually going on here? Do you think it's perhaps time to reconsider this activity, and focus your attention on something a little more productive, promising and based in reality, rather than in a complete dream-world?".


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                  Take note: I haven't praised the OP for his act.

                  My hopefulness resided in the fact of some resulting money was made which is a stark contrast to the threads I see quite often "18 months online and I haven't made a cent!" or..."3 years online and I've only lost money =(".

                  I'm definitely not saying he should carry on in the same way, which is why i commented that:

                  The OP's success may not be sustainable, and i certainly don't condone the practice of promoting products in which the marketer has zero expertise in, but it's one step out of hopefully many more enriching and knowledge gaining steps that will come.
                  Maybe I'm too much of an optimist, but by saying that I meant that the single act doesn't mean the entire soup is spoiled. This single act doesn't define his entire marketing life, so there are plenty of chances for him to redirect, learn more, and ultimately create actual sustaining income for himself rather than a one-off ironic luck shot (I know this is being extremely optimistic - but its still valid here).
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      • Profile picture of the author Winning34
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        As opposed to pushing weight loss products without having used them...or any other product promoted as an affiliate without having personal experience with the product?

        MMO shouldn't be singled out for this because it happens for every industry/market.


        Really? You don't see the irony / hypocrisy in this thread? Look at the title lol. It's hilarious. He's admitting he doesn't know how to make money online and the only way he's managing to do it is by selling a product that teaches people how to make money online. And people are congratulating him?! Wow....

        If the product is so good, why wasn't he earning at least $80 online himself? Or is the system of how to make $80 per day is that people have to peddle the same course to others. lol It's just one big pyramid selling scam.

        Sorry but overall the MMO info product industry is a joke. There are a few genuine products out there written by people who know how to make money online, but the vast majority are clueless.
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        • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
          Originally Posted by Winning34 View Post

          If the product is so good, why wasn't he earning at least $80 online himself? Or is the system of how to make $80 per day is that people have to peddle the same course to others. lol It's just one big pyramid selling scam.
          I received review access to that product when it first came out.

          That's exactly what it is - it's garbage - which is why I declined to promote it. I don't believe in unethical "self replicating" models like that.

          There's a question of whether or not such "systems" are even legal in the U.S. (Search "Frank Kern FTC" in Google).
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by Mr Isandy View Post

    In October of 2014 I've started to promote a product that I bought, its called "How To Make $80 Per Day", at first I was discouraged to keep promoting it because I wasn't seen any money at all, but then I remembered that before I have done 1 of the most common newbie mistakes, that is "don't give a system a fair try and move to the next shinning object".

    I decided that I'll keep up my efforts for at least 3 months doing my best with this one and I did, and recently I just checked my e-mail and found that I've been paid from the owner of the system $30.25 because I had made 5 sales, I know is not much and maybe is not the big deal, but it's feel awesome to start making money online, these are my first sales and my first $30.25 ever.

    Also, I keep it up for 3 months because I've found that as an affiliate you can wait up to 90 days to being paid, I know I'll be making more money, I'm truly exited and I want to encourage others to don't give up, because it's possible (Like Les Brown says)

    Hope you are being successful too.
    Good work!
    Any idea what's next? Can you scale this to make more?
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  • Profile picture of the author grandstar
    Success can build positive momentum and that is what counts. The poster may eventual master how to make a successful income online.

    Others give up because they see no light at the end of the tunnel
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by grandstar View Post

      Success can build positive momentum and that is what counts.
      Exactly my point. (Failure like this, on the other hand, doesn't. That's why it saddens me to see so many people encouraging the continuity of taking over 4 months to make a total of $30 from a book called "How To Make $80 Per Day". You couldn't make this stuff up. It could be a satire. That's about as far from "success" as you can get, isn't it?).

      Originally Posted by grandstar View Post

      The poster may eventual master how to make a successful income online.
      Of course he may. And we ought to be encouraging him, as a fellow-Warrior, to maximize his chances of doing so. Which is why we should all be telling him to do something completely different from what he's been doing for the last 4 months.

      Originally Posted by grandstar View Post

      Others give up because they see no light at the end of the tunnel
      If you've set off in the wrong direction, it's "re-orientation" you need, not "continuity"!

      Exhortations to "carry on doing the same thing", in these circumstances, are grotesquely misguided and unhelpful.


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  • Profile picture of the author christoz
    Concrats Man
    Yes that is the thing with online Marketing,Everybody just jumps in thinking that they will be rich in a weeks time but the true reality is that it takes time

    I have been busy online now for 2 years and still learning and gaining expierence
    I am also still not were i want to be ,but the diffrent ways you can get to your destination is endless
    keep the good work going and remember that doesn't matter what happens always have consistency thats the key

    Kind regards
    Christo zeelie
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  • Profile picture of the author rohit36
    Congratulations Mr Isandy!!

    I know how it feels when you earn your first dollor ..

    Congratulations once more,, keep on going! All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Well, I will be the first to say that shouldn't pretend to be making money online just to make money in the MMO niche.

    But, in all honesty the MMO niche is one of the easiest to make money in with a "follow me" type of blog or system. You don't have to fake it until you make it. Just be honest about things and give people advice based on your experiences.

    The OP never actually said how he promoted the product. although i doubt it was all completely honest and transparent...who in the MMO does that these days...lol

    And lets be real honest here, the gurus in the MMO niche is hardly the only one that exaggerates its success.

    Even tv sitcoms have a "laugh" sign to induce their studio audience to laugh on cue so the viewing public is sorta manipulated into thinking stuff is funny that may or may not be. sounds kinda like some of the games that go on in the WSO section...lol

    Maybe i am just becoming a little to numb to the stuff in the MMO niche, but for newbie to have some success with a product that claims to be able to perform better than the OP has been able to replicate so far ins't all that bad really. seems almost normal.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      The OP never actually said how he promoted the product.
      This .
      Many here seem to be presumptuous. We have no idea how or what OP is promoting beyond the Title he gives us.

      Want if the Title extends to "How To Make $80 Per Day" by learning to create and flip websites Or "How To Make $80 Per Day" as an E bay Affiliate.And the OP has no desire in doing this. Is that necessarily a bad thing ?


      Or what if the OP is totally transparent as an Affiliate in his Marketing Efforts and is just bringing prospects and matching it to this Vendor and clearly states his intentions to all of these prospects and even talks about how he is a newbie.

      Like I said, many here are rushing to scold this person when they know very LITTLE about the Product and the circumstance surrounding this Product
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    While I think the OP having made his/her first sales online is great, as it definitely helps motivate a person to know sales can be generated online.

    I am a bit torn between the right and wrong aspect of someone jumping into the mmo niche, as many suggest it is somehow unethical. However, every business, website owner, service provider who has a product or service to sell or offer is theoretically in the mmo arena... As are the affiliates who piggy-back off an array of niches (mmo included) in writing reviews, or just know the audiences 'language' well enough to relate to said audience, and compel them to explore offer 'X', so to speak.

    So, whilst I am not suggesting anyone start coaching or writing ebooks or crafting a wso centered around
    Internet Marketing products... I believe; much of the debate falls upon ones ability to promote any product or service... So long as to do so ethically and honestly believing the product/service can or will help the end user in some way. Hence, earning that sale or commission.

    Now, some would say - using a pen name with a personality aimed towards audience #1 in say weight loss, and then another profile centered around niche market #2 a dating product per se... Is unethical too.

    Does it really matter... So long as the focus is to deliver the best damn solution the internet has to offer?

    Again, not suggesting the OP should stay dedicated to an $80 per day ebook teaching, if to date has only generated $30.25... But, just as the OP purchased the product, so likely then will others.

    I read something the other day by Dan Kennedy stating; "give them what they want, and let them figure out what they need." - perhaps a bit profound, and yet if I'm skinny as a rail, does that mean I shouldn't market solutions to overweight people?

    Or better still, if I were to focus on mmo (make money online) would I have to be a guru to guide others to a product I purchased or created based solely on my experience or personal success. I think not. I do however believe one should remain focused on the end user, and conducting enough research to deliver exactly what that end user is seeking... Whether or not we agree with the product or the service. I certainly wouldn't target children or churches to promote adult entertainment...but, that doesnt mean I have to buy, supoort, condone, or even like the sh!t people are gonna buy in order to understand its a huge market.

    I think; anyone who has at least remained dedicated for 3months, and who has just now seen a small return on their investment deserves encouragement to both keep working on it, and be commended for taking action...most never do!

    ... Although, 5 sales could pay a lot more if you promote higher ticket items with 60-75% commissions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post


      I think; anyone who has at least remained dedicated for 3months, and who has just now seen a small return on their investment deserves encouragement to both keep working on it, and be commended for taking action...most never do!
      This. Yes this is to be praised. The dedication to follow through.

      It is, IMHO, what the OP was celebrating.
      I will, again, celebrate this.

      Doug
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  • Profile picture of the author Borja Obeso
    So were you making $80 per day since the first day you were promoting it?
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  • Profile picture of the author regulardan
    As Daniel Byran says: YES YES YES!!! Keep it up and don't stop!
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  • Profile picture of the author LynnLinde
    Congrats! Keep it up and I'm sure you will have bigger success on your way
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    That's right, you should'nt give up just because you do'nt make any money the first weeks. It usually takes time to build something (depending on the method you use) so that should be a motivation for many people here.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoedith
    just if the product is good and interesting for buyers... you can make sales
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  • Profile picture of the author parmarjeet
    Congrats for your success and wish you reach your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author svsets10
    The first sale is something special. There is a break through mentally where you realize that you CAN actually make money. Until you get that sale there is always the speculation that what you are doing is a waste of time rather than actual work on a business. Congrats on that first break through
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  • Profile picture of the author positivegirl
    Originally Posted by Mr Isandy View Post

    In October of 2014 I've started to promote a product that I bought, its called "How To Make $80 Per Day", at first I was discouraged to keep promoting it because I wasn't seen any money at all, but then I remembered that before I have done 1 of the most common newbie mistakes, that is "don't give a system a fair try and move to the next shinning object".

    I decided that I'll keep up my efforts for at least 3 months doing my best with this one and I did, and recently I just checked my e-mail and found that I've been paid from the owner of the system $30.25 because I had made 5 sales, I know is not much and maybe is not the big deal, but it's feel awesome to start making money online, these are my first sales and my first $30.25 ever.

    Also, I keep it up for 3 months because I've found that as an affiliate you can wait up to 90 days to being paid, I know I'll be making more money, I'm truly exited and I want to encourage others to don't give up, because it's possible (Like Les Brown says)

    Hope you are being successful too.

    Hi, thank you for sharing your experience! and just for those who want to give up, I'd also say:
    hi this is my honest opinion??
    Do not Give up!
    just seat down and find out what you love the most, your passion, then:


    1. Google your niche (passion) (it must be profitable) and find at least 5 t o10 Authoritative forums on this niche.
    2. start posting/helping people out, just as people do here. (there will be Always people that know less than you in that particular niche) (when you start viewing positive feedback, you are motivated t ogo out there and learn more.
    this way to start positioning yourself as an authority ni your niche.
    I know this envolves time and effort but it is Worth 1000x
    3. when you have your audience, you can monetize yourself (your knowledge) as you want: crearting your own products, recommending other people's products.

    don't give up!
    eliminate the word: "quit" from your vocabulary. Just take a breath and re-start from scratch.


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  • Profile picture of the author RafaelThaGreat
    Hey buddy, congrats on this accomplishment.

    My advice is to reinvest your profits 100% plus a little extra if you can.

    Once you've done that, work on scaling this up without adding additional effort on your part.

    This could be done by hiring a virtual assistant or using software to automate basic tasks.

    The biggest thing is not to stop here or get complacent with $30 a month like I did when I first started making money online.

    Keep pushing yourself to make more money.
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    I plan to rule the world.... Starting Monday.

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  • Profile picture of the author carlamae
    That's very refreshing to read! Thanks for sharing your success.
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    Nice to hear some success stories.

    The most important thing here is sustained effort
    so don't get comfortable, always push harder.
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