Calling all Niche Site owners!!

by Ejsuhh
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Brand new IMer here. I've decided to attempt to create my own niche site and need a little bit of help. I'm wondering which niche site tools you guys used to create your own first niche sites? I know the popular ones are Market Samurai, Google Adsense, Longtail pro, SEMrush, SEOmoz.

I ask this because these products combined would cost me a pretty penny, something that I'm a bit reluctant to pay. It just seems hard to believe that the majority of niche site owners have coughed up the capital to begin their sites...
#calling #niche #owners #site
  • Profile picture of the author LynnLinde
    For keyword research, you can start off with Google Keyword Tool which is free. Traffic Travis is also free to use for you to check on rankings and such. Another one would be Ahrefs for you to check on backlinks.

    You can get started with the free tools already.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emma Drummond
    I find Market Samira still the best keyword research program, and it available for mac
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    • Profile picture of the author Waywardaussie
      Originally Posted by Emma Drummond View Post

      I find Market Samira still the best keyword research program, and it available for mac
      Market samira is super slow Spencer's long tail is a lot faster, time is money :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author LimitlessTraffic
    Majority of the tools are used to speed up the process. For example, with SEMrush, you could pull up heaps of potential long tail keywords in a matter of seconds.

    Of course, if you're on a tight budget then Google keyword planner with the help of related searches and suggestions will do the trick.

    As for a first site, I'd recommend just starting out with a very low competitive niche just so you could get your feet wet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Murray777
    Google keyword planner is great because its free to use, im a fan of long tail pro, but the only down side is it can take some time pulling up long tail key words.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Ejsuhh View Post

    I'm wondering which niche site tools you guys used to create your own first niche sites?
    I used a very, very simple on-page website builder, because WordPress was far too difficult and complicated for me.

    Originally Posted by Ejsuhh View Post

    I know the popular ones are Market Samurai, Google Adsense, Longtail pro, SEMrush, SEOmoz.
    I've never needed or wanted any tools like any of those, at all, and probably you don't, either.

    If you're planning (as I guess from your post?) to try to make some income out of affiliate marketing, you need a domain-name, some hosting (could even be free, if absolutely necessary, to start you off), and a paid autoresponder subscription (not a free one). Nothing else.

    Read this post? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

    Originally Posted by Ejsuhh View Post

    It just seems hard to believe that the majority of niche site owners have coughed up the capital to begin their sites...
    The reason it seems hard to believe is that it isn't true.

    I set up my entire business for $60, and there wasn't a time - at any point - that having more money than that would have made any of my income more secure, bigger, better, faster, or more reliable.

    The financial entry-barriers to setting up an affiliate marketing business are really terribly, terribly low.

    The knowledge/skills-based entry-barriers, on the other hand, are rather the opposite!

    Most
    people fail because they don't know what they're doing and set off in the wrong direction (i.e. thinking mostly about "keywords" and Google and SEO and search-engine traffic, instead of understanding "what marketing is" and "how it works"), not because they're under-funded.


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    • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
      I don't doubt that whatever you're doing is working but at the same time from reading what you're saying. I can pretty much guarantee that you're leaving a lot of traffic from the search engines.

      Also, again I can guarantee that at every point, if you had a bigger budget your income will be bigger, better and faster.

      Here's just a very simple list to increase traffic to any website in any niche.
      • Facebook
        Facebook Retargeting
        Media Buying
        Search Engine Marketing

      Again, I don't doubt what you do works but I think you're too clouded by what works for you that you don't think anything else works.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I used a very, very simple on-page website builder, because WordPress was far too difficult and complicated for me.



      I've never needed or wanted any tools like any of those, at all, and probably you don't, either.

      If you're planning (as I guess from your post?) to try to make some income out of affiliate marketing, you need a domain-name, some hosting (could even be free, if absolutely necessary, to start you off), and a paid autoresponder subscription (not a free one). Nothing else.

      Read this post? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398



      The reason it seems hard to believe is that it isn't true.

      I set up my entire business for $60, and there wasn't a time - at any point - that having more money than that would have made any of my income more secure, bigger, better, faster, or more reliable.

      The financial entry-barriers to setting up an affiliate marketing business are really terribly, terribly low.

      The knowledge/skills-based entry-barriers, on the other hand, are rather the opposite!

      Most
      people fail because they don't know what they're doing and set off in the wrong direction (i.e. thinking mostly about "keywords" and Google and SEO and search-engine traffic, instead of understanding "what marketing is" and "how it works"), not because they're under-funded.


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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

        I don't doubt that whatever you're doing is working but at the same time from reading what you're saying. I can pretty much guarantee that you're leaving a lot of traffic from the search engines.
        If you're talking to me, you couldn't actually be more mistaken.

        I get floods of search-engine traffic, because very high rankings for a large variety of low-to-medium, medium, and medium-to-high competition keywords happens to be a minor side-benefit of the major traffic-generation method I use.

        It's just not very valuable traffic for me, compared with traffic from any of my other sources. Overall, for example, search-engine visitors have about 10% of the value for me (in all of my different niches) that visitors from my multiple other traffic-sources have.

        Google visitors - across a wide range of niches - are uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried: they stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often.

        Call me old-fashioned but I like to determine "what's a good use of my time and skills" according to what gets paid in to the bank, not according to visitor numbers.


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        • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
          If you got 20 times the search engine traffic you have now, then you would double your income even if the traffic is worth less. So unless you have an unlimited supply from these other sources, you may be losing money by not getting more from search engine traffic. There are also other ways to monetize that traffic other than trying to sell something or get someone to opt in.
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  • Profile picture of the author QueenMelanie
    Don't forget Buzzbundle.

    Its perfect for niche sites because it lets you track each time your niche keyword gets mentioned on forums, social media and blogs, so you can pop over, leave an interesting comment and direct them to your niche site ---> getting you highly targeted traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author Ejsuhh
    Now for some follow up questions for those that are willing and able haha I need some guidance as to know whether or not I may have found the niche key word to base my niche site around.

    I believe I have found a niche for my first website. I've done my keyword research and found a keyword that is earning around ~5k searches per month. Now I know that 5k is chump change for some of you out there, but 5k searchers for the first niche I want to tackle is not too shabby for me haha.

    I scouted out the top 10 spots on google for the keyword phrase which is essentially the following:

    1. youtube video w/ 2 backlinks only
    2. youtube video w/ 0 backlinks
    3. youtube video w/ 0 backlinks
    4. wikihow w/ 3 backlinks
    5. authority site with very weak content and hardly any backlinks

    6-10 not much else.

    Again, this may be the case primarily because I am targeting a niche that is fairly uncompetitive to get my feet wet before I tackle a more competitive scene.


    Many of the guides and tutorials I've studied instructed to search for spots in the top 10 that are attainable. If the majority of the top 10 have no real authority or backlinking on their sites, is this a good indicator that I have a chance to rank my own website??

    I'm also a bit confused on how the ranking system works for youtube links, links for maps to locations of stores, twitter pages, and yelp pages. Are these pages generally harder to outrank than other niche sites, affiliate sites, or individually owned webpages or does the same algorithm apply??
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    • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
      Originally Posted by Ejsuhh View Post

      Now for some follow up questions for those that are willing and able haha I need some guidance as to know whether or not I may have found the niche key word to base my niche site around.

      I believe I have found a niche for my first website. I've done my keyword research and found a keyword that is earning around ~5k searches per month. Now I know that 5k is chump change for some of you out there, but 5k searchers for the first niche I want to tackle is not too shabby for me haha.

      I scouted out the top 10 spots on google for the keyword phrase which is essentially the following:

      1. youtube video w/ 2 backlinks only
      2. youtube video w/ 0 backlinks
      3. youtube video w/ 0 backlinks
      4. wikihow w/ 3 backlinks
      5. authority site with very weak content and hardly any backlinks

      6-10 not much else.

      Again, this may be the case primarily because I am targeting a niche that is fairly uncompetitive to get my feet wet before I tackle a more competitive scene.


      Many of the guides and tutorials I've studied instructed to search for spots in the top 10 that are attainable. If the majority of the top 10 have no real authority or backlinking on their sites, is this a good indicator that I have a chance to rank my own website??

      I'm also a bit confused on how the ranking system works for youtube links, links for maps to locations of stores, twitter pages, and yelp pages. Are these pages generally harder to outrank than other niche sites, affiliate sites, or individually owned webpages or does the same algorithm apply??
      I'm afraid it's usually not that easy. YouTube and Wikihow pages receive at least some benefit from their site's reputation in general, irrespective of how many links are going to that one page. I'm not saying it's impossible to compete against YouTube and other big sites. But it's not easy as what you are thinking. You have to think about the overall reputation of your site in comparison to another.

      The more important thing is to determine how many web pages are specifically targeting that phrase. So even if YouTube and others beat you, then you might still get on the first page, which is good enough for some traffic. Do the results on page 2 seem almost irrelevant, or are there 10 pages of relevant results? If there are 10 pages of relevant results, that may be too competitive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ejsuhh
        Originally Posted by dewayneboyd View Post

        I'm afraid it's usually not that easy. YouTube and Wikihow pages receive at least some benefit from their site's reputation in general, irrespective of how many links are going to that one page. I'm not saying it's impossible to compete against YouTube and other big sites. But it's not easy as what you are thinking. You have to think about the overall reputation of your site in comparison to another.

        The more important thing is to determine how many web pages are specifically targeting that phrase. So even if YouTube and others beat you, then you might still get on the first page, which is good enough for some traffic. Do the results on page 2 seem almost irrelevant, or are there 10 pages of relevant results? If there are 10 pages of relevant results, that may be too competitive.
        Appreciate the help! I realized that after I submitted my post, I was essentially asking "how hard is it to outrank youtube videos, yelp, and maps" which you explained in your answer. Thanks again!

        Anybody else have any other thoughts??
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  • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
    I didn't use any tools except WordPress, and I monetize with AdSense. Other "tools" probably aren't going to give you the actual answer to picking a niche. Think about things that happen hundreds to thousands of times a day. Something that's going to give you a massive amount of content. Look in a newspaper, and you should figure out what I am talking about (it's not sports or real estate, as those are too competitive). Then, use free tools like Google News or appropriate listing websites to take your search for content nationally. You will never run out of content if you pick one of the right niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheProductReviewGuy
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    I use Google keyword planner for my keyword research. The reason as to why most niche site owners fail is that they target the extremely hard keywords. Just because a keyword gets around 40,000 searches a month doesn't exactly mean it's worth spending the time and money to rank it. I tend to do the more simpler method which is: LONG TAIL KEYWORDS.

    Target long tail keywords is the BEST method when trying to rank a site. If you can target these keywords, your traffic potential is going to be HUGE. Think of it this way.

    Stupid analogy:

    Imagine your site is a massive building. The door is a keyword. If you are targeting the high competitive keywords (the main door), your traffic is going to be small. Not a lot of people will be able to fit through the door so it will be dripping in slowly. Now imagine that you also have long tail keywords (other doors around the building), then your traffic is going to be pouring in a faster rate as the traffic sources all have different places to come from.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ejsuhh
      I'm hearing mixed comments on how hard is it to outrank youtube videos, yelp, and maps.

      Anyone else have some answers??
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      • Profile picture of the author Ejsuhh
        Originally Posted by Ejsuhh View Post

        I'm hearing mixed comments on how hard is it to outrank youtube videos, yelp, and maps.

        Anyone else have some answers??
        Note that I searched these videos and yelp pages and maps and they all have less then 3 backlinks and ~ 2-5 - 4.0 moz ranks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Ejsuhh View Post

          I'm hearing mixed comments on how hard is it to outrank youtube videos, yelp, and maps.

          Anyone else have some answers??
          Originally Posted by Ejsuhh View Post

          Note that I searched these videos and yelp pages and maps and they all have less then 3 backlinks and ~ 2-5 - 4.0 moz ranks.
          These questions belong in the SEO Forum, not in the Main Marketing Forum, please.


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