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Admin, Where Are the Rules for the War Room?

by TiffanyLambert
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Hey Allen!

I read the 3 stickies for the War Room and apparently I've made a blunder and had my (rather large) ass handed to me by a fellow member on my blog for doing something I didn't know was against the rules.

I was reading it today and in one of the posts, a small tip (out of many in this 1 post) stuck out that I found valuable. Instead of just teaching the same info to my list, as if I'd thought of it, as I know many marketers do, I made a blog post about what I had learned and said where I'd learned it (promoting the War Room and the Warrior Forum, which I thought was a good idea).

In fact, look at this exact quote from a person who commented on my blog: "And thanks for reminding me of the War Room. I keep forgetting to join. I'm going to remedy that today while I'm thinking about it." (That was my goal in sharing the where and who of it).

The post in question was by Ghalt (whom I also credited in my blog post). I didn't cut and paste any of the post or anything, either.

However, I now understand that I've been told "what you learn in the War Room, stays there." I never saw this rule in the stickies or I would not have violated the TOS on this - and of course I would never steal info and pass it on as mine or cut and paste any of the content.

I mistakenly assumed crediting the original author and the forum with everything was enough, but I can see now it wasn't.

Problem is - what if there are other rules I can't find? I'm not sure where this blog commenter saw that particular rule, but if anyone knows where, can you PM me a link with it so I can make sure I abide by them all?

Thanks!
Tiff
#admin #room #rules #war
  • Profile picture of the author kf
    Tiffany - I'm not sure what the final answer is on this one, but aside from the war room and privacy issue, it seems to me that in this case simply attributing the original poster is not enough. People post their 'gems' in the war room and should probably be asked if their post/information can be taken and put in a more public setting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    I believe it is considered an unwritten rule that since the War Room is a paid section of the forum that you don't share anything you get from there. The entire concept is to share information with a select few who have paid Allen for the right to view the special section of the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Right I understand and admitted the blunder - I was wondering since she quoted a section to me where those rules were that I had missed?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    Ive taken a look in the war room as im a member and there are some nice free information and links to free software and things.

    However stuff like links to free software that is someone elses cannot be proven that it was taken from the war room. After all its just pointing people in the right direction.

    The same goes for information... unless it was copied word for word or just slightly re-written then how on earth is anyone ment to prove it was taken from a certain place. It could in-fact be in two places, or more, or even have be told verbally to you by someone else.

    If this is a rule then in my opinion its a stupid rule!

    I personally would never share anything word for word or that people specifically said not to share but if i can improve on something and help others with the information then im all for that.

    Will be very interesting hearing peoples opinions on this!

    Tom Brite
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by Tom Brite View Post


      The same goes for information... unless it was copied word for word or just slightly re-written then how on earth is anyone ment to prove it was taken from a certain place. It could in-fact be in two places, or more, or even have be told verbally to you by someone else.

      If this is a rule then in my opinion its a stupid rule!

      Tom Brite
      The issue isn't about whether someone can prove you shared information you got from there - It's about not doing it because you've paid to access private information.

      Tiffany said she got it from there - she's not trying to hide the fact, just to clarify where the line is because she can't find the reference people are referring to.

      You may think it's a stupid rule for people not to steal your ideas and information which you shared privately in a paid forum, but if everyone thought the same way - we wouldn't share so much, and that's not a good place to go.

      I've given War Room members products which I've been selling well outside that forum and if I thought members there were just giving them away or copying what I wrote and treating it like their own because they don't think I could prove they stole it from me - I'd definitely think twice about doing it again.

      There are a lot of people in this niche (IM) that have very limited mindsets and think they need to steal everything they can for free, however they get it is fair game and telling others where to find download links it just part of what they think they're entitled to. But when you have a mindset like that - you tend not to truly value anything and end up endlessly running around taking peoples stuff and finding other people with the same attitude - the result is you spend a few years not making much money and then think everyone else is out to rip you off and so you just keep taking other peoples things and never realise that you're not realising the dreams you had when you started, you're just wasting your time and believe your dream's not even possible any more and everyone is lying and failing too. Eventually you'll end up staying in the job you never had the guts to leave and thinking you know everything about IM but never really became successful at doing it yourself.

      That's what happens when you have no respect for information and other people.

      I've seen it many times and it makes me sad because there's so many ways to be successful and people will happily help you along your way if you're in an open and giving mindset.

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      • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        That's what happens when you have no respect for information and other people.
        Ack! I hope you don't think (and know) that doesn't describe me. I specifically had respect for where I got it, which is why I mentioned it, credited him for it, etc.

        I think in my viewpoint, I was considering the War Room membership payment not so much like a private product but more as a special perk that we got for Allen pre-qualifying threads we read - paying him to separate the valuable threads from the ones we could skip. That's an invaluable service when it comes to a place like this where one day away means sifting through 5 pages or so of threads and looking in them to see what's worth our time.

        I've posted in there too but I don't care if it gets shared elsewhere - I think I was being narrow in my thinking, considering only how I would see it and not the OP.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

          Ack! I hope you don't think (and know) that doesn't describe me. I specifically had respect for where I got it, which is why I mentioned it, credited him for it, etc.
          Of course not. You clearly stated what you did and that you gave attribution, so I'm definitely not talking about you.

          You're one of the good guys/gals

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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by timpears View Post

            Tiffany, go to your room and take a wet noodle, and whip yourself fifty times.
            And remember to turn on the video camera and turn up the lights!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post


        That's what happens when you have no respect for information and other people.

        Andy
        Ouch, I don't think any of us that posted here don't have respect for information and other people. I would never post or giveaway a report that's for sale but given for free in the War Room. It's just my opinion that unwritten rules can lead to confusion like what is happening right now. That's why when I shared my report I wrote "please don't share outside the war room" just to be crystal clear and avoid miscommunication.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Tiffany,

    I just read the three stickies and didn't see anything that talked about your "blunder".
    But would probably have to agree with Johnny above.

    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
      Originally Posted by Matthew Maiden View Post

      Tiffany,

      I just read the three stickies and didn't see anything that talked about your "blunder".
      But would probably have to agree with Johnny above.

      Matt
      Yeah me too. I wasn't questioning the validity of the rule or its pros and cons, either. I was just curious if I missed on a rules section that I should be aware of - that stuff is important!

      Also, FYI - I contacted the original poster to inform him of my blunder and ask what he prefers me to do - take down the post, add his link, etc. Same goes with Allen - whatever he wants, I'll do. I don't ever step on toes on purpose - especially not when it comes to places I love so much. My list is used to me hammering it into their head that they need to be members here.

      And another thing - I don't expect Allen to even come in here and say, "that was okay" even he didn't mind because then some idiots would take that to mean they could scrape all of the WR content and paste it online as if it was theirs. I agree it was a blunder, just want all the rules so I can become edumacated.

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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        What happens in vegas stays in vegas ... dang but every time I enter the war room it is like hitting the jackpot.

        To the OP I can understand how one can get confused. I would be hard not to let the cat out of the bag so to speak.

        The war room is by far one of the best kept secrets of internet marketing ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Tiffany,

    Anyone that has been here a while knows that if you make a goof it's just that, a mistake and not something done in an underhanded way.

    Allen knows that too
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    By reading so many of your post on here I am sure that it is exactly as you say .... an unintended blunder .

    A post of all the "unspoken" war room rules would make a great wr post . Like you I value my presence in the wr and don't want to screw it up .
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  • Profile picture of the author Damien Roche
    Same, I think it is an unwritten rule. After all, under the premise of sharing the information, I could simply create threads here about the posts and credit the authors...don't think Allen would be too happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author ptone
    Interesting dilemma...

    Much of the info posted in the War Room comes from other Warriors own products that are out in the marketplace. Its not as if the info ONLY EXISTS in the war room and nowhere else.

    As a matter of fact, the Warrior (Ghalt) that posted the tip that Tiffany wrote about, specifically requested that other Warriors spread the word about his ebook that this tip was taken from so it would help him build his list (maybe you should add a link in your blog post back to his sign-up page as well, Tiffany ).

    I guess the question is, does the info in the War Room belong to the Warrior Forum, or does it belong to the person that posts the information? I mean, should the Warrior (Ghalt) that posted this info now cease giving away/selling his ebook since he posted it in the War Room?

    I don't think the War Room was created to be some super-secret society where information only exists in the vacuum of the War Room itself. Instead, I believe it was created as a place where only the best of the best posts and information is shared among fellow-warriors...and for that, its done a kick-ass job and is worth every penny (and a lot more).

    In my opinion, the ONLY thing Tiffany did wrong here was not giving direct credit to Ghalt by placing a link to the ebook, which he asked fellow-warriors to do.

    Tiffany, stop apologizing, get that link to Ghalt's sign-up page in your blog post, and get on with whipping yourself with that wet noodle (and send me the video when you're finished )!
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
      Originally Posted by ptone View Post

      (maybe you should add a link in your blog post back to his sign-up page as well, Tiffany ).
      I did PM him here asking him if he wanted me to do that or if he wanted to leave a comment with it, etc. See what's funny is that because I found it in the WF, I specifically credited his username and forum itself - the War Room in particular. Because I didn't want to step on Allen's toes by bypassing the War Room and giving my readers the chance to sign up and pay for the good information in there.

      Originally Posted by ptone View Post

      I believe it was created as a place where only the best of the best posts and information is shared among fellow-warriors...
      Yes! That's how I saw it too. It's an area where you don't have to sift through information to see what's a junk thread or a valuable thread because if it's approved, you KNOW it's valuable. In fact, just a couple of weeks ago Allen took one of my FREE threads from the Main forum and copied it into the War Room because he felt it was valuable. So I simply thought I was passing along a great tip. Whew! You totally said what I couldn't find words for.

      Originally Posted by ptone View Post

      Tiffany, stop apologizing, get that link to Ghalt's sign-up page in your blog post, and get on with whipping yourself with that wet noodle (and send me the video when you're finished )!
      LMAO Well I've heard if you make a tape like that it WILL get out - and I'd hate to see my wet noodle video surpass the Tommy Lee/Pamela Anderson video, you know I am waiting to hear back from Ghalt on his link stuff...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Tiff, did you use proper wet noodles, I mean where we lived in China they were the width of belts.

    I thought I saw the rule when the war room first opened.

    My understanding is that as a private paid membership we treat it exactly the same as any paid membership site where we don't pass on the information.

    For Tom who thinks it's a stupid rule, no it isn't. If you put your report in the War room and were selling it elsewhere, would you want everybody to get it for free because it was in the war room then it was fair game. I think not!
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    • Profile picture of the author ptone
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      I thought I saw the rule when the war room first opened.

      My understanding is that as a private paid membership we treat it exactly the same as any paid membership site where we don't pass on the information.
      I don't recall ever seeing this rule, but I do recall a discussion once mentioning the possibility of someone putting together some of the great info found in the War Room and then packaging it as their own and reselling it. It was basically a discussion warning against anyone trying this.

      I do agree 100% that it should be treated as a private membership and that no one should be passing on the information generally speaking. As you mentioned, Bev, there are some very valuable products in there and it would be downright stealing to do this.

      But, in this case, the Warrior did request that others spread the word about his ebook that this particular tip was taken from. So, I'm thinking this would be an exception to the rule, which is why I think Tiffany did nothing wrong.
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