How to promote an adult sex-toy site, without AdWords/BingAds/Etc

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Hello fellow Warriors,

I am here today to ask you guys what you would do in my position. I am the owner/creator of a website that provides useful information regarding a sex toy. To keep things simple: although I am getting on average 80-150 unique visits a day, the conversion rate is insanely high, on average 1:10 and the average purchase being just under $90 (from which I earn more or less 1/4th). If the merchant site ha a sale on, the number skyrockets.

Since October 2014 till today I have earned just over $16.000 and I am more than over the moon with the results. But that's from so few visits, imagine what doulbe or triple the visitors could net in.

There is one problem: the merchant (network) does not allow you to buy ads using any of their product's keywords (understandable, since it'd cost them more to buy them!). From my experience buying ads via AdWords and similar was always the best way to not only promote a website, but to also get it ranked higher in search results.

My question to you guys is simply: How does one increase adult traffic without using an ad-keyword network. I've been looking into Reddit and it seems like a good place to get targeted adult users, but I wouldn't know how to name my ad on there to gain attention.

If anyone has any ideas, free or paid, I would really appreciate any replies or messages. Thank you in advance.

Edit: Just in case anyone doesn't take this seriously (Also **** PayPal mate..): http://i.imgur.com/3DUak3i.png
#adult #adwords or bingads or etc #promote #sex toy #sextoy #site #traffc
  • Johnronder,

    Have you tried contacting sites with top ranking pages in Google for your target keywords, in order to negotiate ad banner / text link ad / advert / mailing list ad placement deals?;

    Have you tried advertising in heavily trafficked, niche-related blogs, Web forums, dating sites (since this is laterally relevant to your niche, and Plenty of Fish has an advertising platform)?; and

    Have you tried building strategic affiliate B2B partnerships with niche-related companies that offer relevant products? For instance:

    You can set up an email support team or a live chat support team or a telesales and tech support team or a combination of these teams, in order to offer your pre / post sales and tech support services to relevant companies with efficient traffic generation campaigns; and

    You can negotiate a mutually beneficial performance-based arrangement with those companies, i.e. Your agents resolve the issues of their customers and upsell their other premium products / subscription renewals and your own products or your affiliate products, and you split with those companies the profits generated by each successful upsale and renewal...

    Hope this helps. Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Vendzilla
    Affiliate marketing in the Adult world works well for your niche. Developing sales tools like white labels for adult site owners to put in their membership area would work very well
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnronder
      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

      Johnronder,

      Have you tried contacting sites with top ranking pages in Google for your target keywords, in order to negotiate ad banner / text link ad / advert / mailing list ad placement deals?;

      Have you tried advertising in heavily trafficked, niche-related blogs, Web forums, dating sites (since this is laterally relevant to your niche, and Plenty of Fish has an advertising platform)?; and

      Have you tried building strategic affiliate B2B partnerships with niche-related companies that offer relevant products? For instance:

      You can set up an email support team or a live chat support team or a telesales and tech support team or a combination of these teams, in order to offer your pre / post sales and tech support services to relevant companies with efficient traffic generation campaigns; and

      You can negotiate a mutually beneficial performance-based arrangement with those companies, i.e. Your agents resolve the issues of their customers and upsell their other premium products / subscription renewals and your own products or your affiliate products, and you split with those companies the profits generated by each successful upsale and renewal...

      Hope this helps. Cheers!
      Hello Marx,

      thanks for the reply. Those are some interesting points you make. Although there are some problems with some of the suggestions. For example, none of the top-level sites with the same keywords would offer to advertise my website because we would be selling the same product. Furthermore, my website is simply an affiliate site, meaning I do not handle any shipping or product stuff, I merely post detailed information and statistics about the product, when the viewer buys a product (via my site) from the merchant I gain a commission.

      I am definitely going to try out the POF suggestion, and I'll check out forums and related websites.

      Thanks again for the reply!

      Originally Posted by Vendzilla View Post

      Affiliate marketing in the Adult world works well for your niche. Developing sales tools like white labels for adult site owners to put in their membership area would work very well
      Hey Vendzilla, thanks for the reply,
      sorry I should have specified, I do not own/supply any products, I merely forward the users to the merchants website when they decide what they'd like to purchase. So I do not see how I could do that. But thanks again
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      • Johnronder,

        Originally Posted by Johnronder View Post

        For example, none of the top-level sites with the same keywords would offer to advertise my website because we would be selling the same product.
        I'm talking about top-level sites that sell other laterally relevant products and have top ranking pages for laterally relevant keywords with significant search numbers, i.e. You can negotiate advertising arrangements with top-level sites in dating niches, male enhancement niches, relationship niches and others with top ranking pages for these keywords. Their target customers may also be interested in your products and content because it could provide supplemental value to the benefits they can get from the products and content of those top-level sites. For example:

        If I sell content writing and social media marketing services, then I can advertise in top-level sites that operate in Web design niches, and in sites with top ranking pages for keywords that are related to Web design. This is because the target customers of those sites may also be interested in my services and content...

        Originally Posted by Johnronder View Post

        Furthermore, my website is simply an affiliate site, meaning I do not handle any shipping or product stuff, I merely post detailed information and statistics about the product, when the viewer buys a product (via my site) from the merchant I gain a commission.
        If you're referring to the email support / telesales support teams for strategic affiliate B2B partnerships -- I'm talking about your support teams providing support to the customers of other companies that sell laterally relevant products and content to groups of people who may also be interested in your own products and content. For example:

        My support team can provide pre / post sales and tech support services to customers of my partner Web design companies. After resolving the issues of those customers, my support team can then upsell the other premium Web design products of those companies and also my own content writing and social media marketing services, and even my affiliate products like Web software tools and the like. I then split with my partner Web design companies the profits generated by each successful upsale. After all:

        Their customers could most likely be also interested in the value that my services can provide them, since my services provide benefits that can supplement the value they get from the products and services of my partner Web design companies...
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Suppose I should really chip in

    Product reviews work well in this niche.

    As do beginners guides (in fact this can lead to multiple sales)

    There's plenty of other markets to explore like hen parties who buy novelty presents.

    You've probably missed the boat on 50 shades but put something together for the DVD release if what you are selling is applicable. As a general rule work your way through mummy porn.

    now depending how far into the scene you want to go you can split your commission with cam girls etc who have wish lists that punters can buy for them.

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    Test small on pof in my experience people aren't in a buying mindset when they go their
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      Johnronder,

      Just a couple questions. I am wondering how well your experience (amazing by the way... CONGRATS!) and the great advice you have gotten so far might be generalized to other niches....

      I am curious where your current traffic comes from. I don't think you said....

      Also, does you site address a single sextoy (model), a type of toy or a range or toys?

      Thanks!
      Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnronder
      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

      Johnronder,

      I'm talking about top-level sites that sell other laterally relevant products and have top ranking pages for laterally relevant keywords with significant search numbers, i.e. You can negotiate advertising arrangements with top-level sites in dating niches, male enhancement niches, relationship niches and others with top ranking pages for these keywords. Their target customers may also be interested in your products and content because it could provide supplemental value to the benefits they can get from the products and content of those top-level sites. For example:

      If I sell content writing and social media marketing services, then I can advertise in top-level sites that operate in Web design niches, and in sites with top ranking pages for keywords that are related to Web design. This is because the target customers of those sites may also be interested in my services and content...



      If you're referring to the email support / telesales support teams for strategic affiliate B2B partnerships -- I'm talking about your support teams providing support to the customers of other companies that sell laterally relevant products and content to groups of people who may also be interested in your own products and content. For example:

      My support team can provide pre / post sales and tech support services to customers of my partner Web design companies. After resolving the issues of those customers, my support team can then upsell the other premium Web design products of those companies and also my own content writing and social media marketing services, and even my affiliate products like Web software tools and the like. I then split with my partner Web design companies the profits generated by each successful upsale. After all:

      Their customers could most likely be also interested in the value that my services can provide them, since my services provide benefits that can supplement the value they get from the products and services of my partner Web design companies...
      Hi Marx, alright, thanks for clearing that up. Now I understand what you meant with the suggestions. I'll have a look into it! Thanks again!


      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      Suppose I should really chip in

      Product reviews work well in this niche.

      As do beginners guides (in fact this can lead to multiple sales)

      There's plenty of other markets to explore like hen parties who buy novelty presents.

      You've probably missed the boat on 50 shades but put something together for the DVD release if what you are selling is applicable. As a general rule work your way through mummy porn.

      now depending how far into the scene you want to go you can split your commission with cam girls etc who have wish lists that punters can buy for them.

      Edit

      Test small on pof in my experience people aren't in a buying mindset when they go their
      Hello quadagon, sadly the product is a male sex toy, so I couldn't really incorporate "porn" for females.But I'll definitely look into adding more guides to the site. Thanks for the POF tip, never tried it before so I'm going to try small first.

      Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

      Johnronder,

      Just a couple questions. I am wondering how well your experience (amazing by the way... CONGRATS!) and the great advice you have gotten so far might be generalized to other niches....

      I am curious where your current traffic comes from. I don't think you said....

      Also, does you site address a single sextoy (model), a type of toy or a range or toys?

      Thanks!
      Chris
      Hey Chris, thanks for the reply. Thanks! I am over the moon with the results, in such a short time. Although I should mention that I created the site totally from scratch, and it's designed exclusively for the sex toy in question. The success also has a lot to do with members of the sex toy in question sharing and enjoying the site.

      On average I would say: 60% of the traffic comes from a sex toy forum. 20% from reddit (the official subreddit of the toy). ~20% are direct/google hits.

      And to specify, it's a toy range. It's a brand that own a ton different models of their toy. To specify even further, it's made for men. Since there are so many models to choose from, my site offers detailed info on each one, with users being able to review and rate them for others to see.

      This is why I would like to look into advertising the site though, since the majority of visits are from a single place, I can only imagine what it would be like if I could get traffic from other sites too.

      Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

      I don't know if you are already doing this, but you could try creating a lot more content for your site and focus it on longtail keywords. It might take you a while to get up to a few thousand pages, but once you did you would be bringing in a lot of traffic.
      The problem I am having right now, is I have a lot of pages, but google doesn't seem to rank me high with the keywords on the pages. I really need to look into SEO and see what I am doing wrong. But I have no experience with optimization, only coding
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  • I would contact them and express your concerns and see what they say. As a program owner I'd kill to have affiliates footing the bill for PPC traffic. Wouldn't hurt to ask.
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      Originally Posted by We Sell Sunglasses View Post

      I would contact them and express your concerns and see what they say. As a program owner I'd kill to have affiliates footing the bill for PPC traffic. Wouldn't hurt to ask.
      Heya,
      thanks for responding. Well I have contacted them, but the terms specifically state:

      No Keyword Purchasing. You agree that you will not purchase or bid for the placement of our name or trademarks or any variation or misspelling thereof within any third party search engine or portal, including but not limited to [...].
      No exceptions sadly. But I mean it is still understandable. They lose out if I gain a purchase instead of solely them getting the viewer. And the ads would cost them more if there is more competition Although now that I think about it, I could consider marketing the website without using their keywords. That's why I am looking into alternatives.
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      • Johnronder,

        Originally Posted by Johnronder View Post

        No exceptions sadly. But I mean it is still understandable. They lose out if I gain a purchase instead of solely them getting the viewer. And the ads would cost them more if there is more competition Although now that I think about it, I could consider marketing the website without using their keywords. That's why I am looking into alternatives.
        Heads Up = Long Post!

        You may want to capture your traffic with an irresistible incentivized opt-in offer that's specifically crafted for your particular target groups of customers, but isn't directly related to your affiliate product. This is so a significant percentage of traffic that lands in your pages won't most likely just go to waste if they don't buy your affiliate product outright; and

        • Since your incentivized opt-in offer can be something that provides supplemental value to the benefits provided by your affiliate product, then you'd most likely be able to use keywords that aren't directly related to your affiliate product when advertising your incentivized opt-in offer in various credible networks, thereby allowing you to advertise across your target customers without going against the advertising policies of your product vendor / merchant. For example:

        • If my affiliate product is a Web app for automatically SE optimizing websites, and the vendor doesn't allow me to use directly related keywords when advertising in credible networks, then my incentivized opt-in offer can be unlimited instant access to a Web app that finds niche-related Facebook groups with significant numbers of active members, specifically Facebook groups where my target customers can participate and initiate relevant discussions in, so as to drive significant targeted social traffic to their sites -- This means I can use laterally relevant keywords to advertise my incentivized opt-in offer across credible search and display networks to groups of people that'd still most likely be interested in my affiliate product (or in my other products), without going against the advertising policies of my affiliate product's vendor...

        Also, by doing the things above, you can implement an invisible opt-in system = Since you'd be able to promote your incentivized opt-in offer without going against the advertising policies of your vendor, then you can integrate Facebook retargeting code and Bing remarketing code into the pages of your site. Here's why you should do this:

        • You'll be able to implement ad campaigns in Facebook and Bing for people who've already been to any of your pages but have yet to grab your incentivized opt-in offer, and your ads will be displayed to them while they're hangingout in Facebook, while they're searching for relevant terms in Bing, and while they're in relevant sites with Bing ads...

        Originally Posted by Johnronder View Post

        The problem I am having right now, is I have a lot of pages, but google doesn't seem to rank me high with the keywords on the pages. I really need to look into SEO and see what I am doing wrong. But I have no experience with optimization, only coding
        These are the fundamental things that I advise others in terms of post Panda / Penguin / Hummingbird onsite and offsite SEO, since these at the moment produce positive SERP movement for the pages of our client's multimedia-rich sites like tech-faq.com...

        A. Keyword Targeting

        1. Separate your exact match and long tail keywords into 3 lists. These are:

        • Generic Keywords -- You'll use this at least 50% to 60% of the time for your onsite and offsite content, as well as for your internal and external link anchors in your onsite content, and for your backlink anchors in your offsite content;

        • Branded Keywords -- You'll use this at least 25% to 35% of the time for your onsite and offsite content, as well as for your internal and external link anchors in your onsite content, and for your backlink anchors in your offsite content; and

        • Commercial Keywords -- You'll use this at least 15% to 25% of the time for your onsite and offsite content, as well as for your internal and external link anchors in your onsite content, and for your backlink anchors in your offsite content...

        2. Separate these keywords into two lists. These are:

        • Primary Keyword List -- These keywords should be used for your homepage, for your category links in your homepage, for your inner pages and posts, for your internal link anchors, for your external link anchors and for alt text of embedded images / photos in your onsite content; and

        • Secondary Keyword List -- These keywords should be used for your offsite content and for your backlink anchors...

        B. ONSITE SEO

        NOTE: When doing the things below, keep in mind the keyword targeting and placement strategies that I mentioned earlier...

        1. Information Structure, Website Structure and Internal Link Structure -- Your homepage should have internal links that point to your category pages. Your category pages should have internal links that point to your inner pages and posts. Your inner pages and posts should have internal links that point to your homepage, to your other relevant category pages, to your other relevant inner pages and posts, as well as external links that point to relevant pages in authority sites...

        2. Fresh Content -- In your homepage, your theme should show recently added content. This should have links pointing to its category pages, and to the inner pages and posts where this new content is found...

        3. Diverse Content -- Include images / photos and videos that will improve the overall presentation value of your onsite content for your target viewers. Also use descriptive phrases with your primary keywords in the alt text of images / photos that are embedded in your onsite content...

        4. Written Content -- Provide unique written onsite content. Use canonical tags in sections of your site that show excerpts or overviews of your content which also appear in other sections of your site...

        NOTE: If you're using WordPress, then you must use canonical tags for the content in the homepage that also appears in the posts itself and in other sections like category pages and most recent posts and so on...

        5. Boost Onsite Content Indexing -- Create an XML sitemap, a Google Video sitemap, a Google Image sitemap and other relevant sitemap types for your site. Then, submit these sitemaps via the Sitemap Submission function in Google Webmaster Tools. Next, generate a Crawl Errors report in Google Webmaster Tools from time to time. Then, use the Fetch As Google function in Google Webmaster Tools from time to time. Next, make sure that your new onsite content is always included in your sitemaps. Then, re-submit your updated sitemaps to Google Webmaster Tools. Next, repeat this process. Also submit your sitemaps to Bing...

        NOTE: If you don't know how to properly create sitemaps, then I recommend the Microsys A1 Sitemap Generator. This is a Windows software that you can use to generate sitemaps of various types for your site...

        C. OFFSITE SEO

        1. List of Offsite Content and Backlink Placement Targets -- Use your secondary keywords in Google so as to identify heavily trafficked, laterally and directly relevant niche-authority sites (as well as inner Web 2.0 pages of those sites). Use the Moz Open Site Explorer (OSE) to pinpoint sites and inner pages with decent to excellent DA (Domain Authority) and PA (Page Authority). Develop a list of offsite content and backlink placement targets, which can be around 70% to 80% dofollow and around 20% to 30% nofollow, and around 70% to 80% high DA / PA and around 20% to 30% lower to mid DA / PA...

        2. Placement of Offsite Content and Backlinks -- Regularly participate and initiate relevant discussions in your targets. Share your onsite content and try to place backlinks in your targets. Use your secondary keywords as anchors of these backlinks. Point your backlinks around 60% of the time to your homepage, around 10% of the time to your relevant category pages and around 30% of the time to your relevant inner pages and posts -- You can also directly contact the owners / admins / Webmasters of those sites for possible mutually beneficial guest posting arrangements, content syndication agreements and ad banner / text link / advert / mailing list ad placement deals. They'd most likely be responsive to your offers due to your frequent participation in their sites, because you'd be a familiar name to them when you contact them...

        That's it for now. Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    There's a bunch of adult ad networks. Just google it.
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  • Profile picture of the author niftystats
    Forget about SEO, there is a lot of competition, you have to slowly build up their links and then do SEO, I like to recommend Chameleon Submitter software when you have shop with toys, buy a photo gallery (toy niche ) and do this and send via chameleon submitter
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  • Consider using more ''adult niche advertising services like''

    Adult Pay Per Click Advertising - Adult Content Ads
    Online Adult Advertising Traffic and Marketing Service

    And more
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  • Profile picture of the author n3o
    PPV might be a good option since you have good conversion
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  • Profile picture of the author prodipaiub
    Hey, John can you please share your merchant? I am also interested to promote.......if you don't mid mate....thank you....
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  • Profile picture of the author mediamarket
    Expo click,traffic junkey are just a few adult traffic networks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You could try "adult tube sites". Basically sites structured like Youtube, but only for adult-related videos. On the side, bottom, or top of the video, you can run an ad for your adult sex-toy site, and get LOTS of visitors. My favorite sites like these are: AVN, xvideos, jizzhut, youporn, xhamster, etc.

    Don't ask how i know about these sites LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author armysmoke
      You can get pretty decent adult traffic from plugrush and juicyads.
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  • Profile picture of the author n3o
    wanify have lot of good traffic , i think you they are in this forum also can contact them
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  • Profile picture of the author AngelaWest85
    Depending on who you use you can always try ppc traffic however alot of sites are cutting down on adult related material so you just gotta do some research on the best ppc sites that allow adult traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author niffybranco
    Try traffic junky they are a ppc company that puts advertisments mainly on adult websites .
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  • Profile picture of the author webproishere
    I got several sites with killer names in the sextoy niche and they bring in good money.
    So i would go for SEO traffic for sure. Develop this all the way.

    Porn sites (tube for instance) is far worst, regarding traffic. I would not pay for it neither get traffic from plugrush/traffic junky
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  • Profile picture of the author TB Ann
    have you thought of setting up affiliate program?
    this way you won't have to think of promotion, let those affiliates do it for you, they'd just get small percentage of your earnings anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tedel
    Have you checked Project Wonderful? I think it does not have an adult section, yet you may still find something useful surfing among the other ones.
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