Is this unethical?

Well, that's just pretty depressing man.

This is not true at all. There is tons of money to be made in the MMO/Biz Opp niche. And the conversion rates from the Warrior Payments system will not give you an adequate idea of conversion rates because, with all due respect, they are a new service and most established marketers in the MMO niche list their products on either JVZoo or Warrior Plus. That's not a dig at Warrior Payments. It's just a fact.

I am solely an affiliate marketer in the MMO niche. I have never even created a product of my own, just built a list and promoted the products of others as an affiliate, and I have been making a comfortable living at it since 2009 (I started in 2007 but it took almost 2 years for me to be able to live on my online income).

The MMO niche is very versatile because while you can promote products which teach people viable methods of earning money online, you can also promote software, WordPress plugins & themes, graphics & templates, CPA/PPL offers, and a host of other products.

And as far as having a list of freebie seekers, I believe that solely depends on the person who owns the list. Almost everyone who signs up for any list does it because they are being offered something for free. In theory, that makes just about everyone who signs up for a list a "freebie seeker." It's what you do with the subscribers after they have signed up that counts.

I wouldn't hesitate to get into the MMO niche. I tried several other niches before I got into MMO and never made much with any of them. It's only when I got into MMO/Biz Opp/IM (yes, I believe IM is a niche as well as a standard marketing method) that I started to make good money.

So I say go for it!

Says who?

Top affiliate marketers turn millions in profits, same as top vendors.

Ugh. Please don't.

^ This.
Just because "gurus" (can that word please die, already?) did it, doesn't make it right. I'm sure all of their first products were crap, too.

He already said he's making NO money online. How can he promote something "as long as it works" if he's never even tested the methods he's presenting himself to be a pseudo expert at?



YES it's unethical. It absolutely is. Because how do you know the information you're "researching" is 100% correct?

How do you know the "methods" you're reading about aren't coming from someone exactly like you – someone who hasn't tried them and who is just regurgitating garbage that doesn't even work?

Then you want to sell that to a bunch of new marketers (because any experienced marketer will be able to tell that it's rehashed crap) and give them potentially bad advice?

These people are trusting that you're an expert. I don't know how you can feel good about taking money for a bad product.

Moreover, I can't believe that any of the more experienced marketers here are encouraging this.

I would never dream of "researching" the latest surgery techniques and publishing a book about them to sell to doctors or write a guide on any other topic that I had done nothing more than read about.

Let's say you go to a dentist for a root canal and they don't do such a good job. You get an infection and your mouth is sore for weeks.

You later find out that dentist never went to school and had only been posing as a dentist. Would you be mad? Hell yes you'd be mad and you'd probably sue them, right?

(You can't sue anyone for a bad product but you can damn sure piss a lot of people off.)

That example's a bit extreme, but you get the point. It's all about people trusting you and it's no different for IM.

Imagine if you ever did do something as *cough* silly as "re-purposing" methods you had no idea worked or not and someone called you out on it. Not to mention, anyone can see this thread so they know you're not actually making any money.

Your reputation is then ruined and good luck launching successful WSO's down the road. Feel me?

Please don't listen to people telling you this is a good idea. This is bad, bad, bad in so many ways.

Learn the basics, test some methods, and see what works. And DON'T sell something until you have a real product/method that offers real advice and real value.

In the meantime, why not start a website about something you're interested in, have knowledge about, and can genuinely position yourself as an expert at?

Where do people get this garbage about MMO or porn or health and fitness being "the most profitable niches"? For one thing, none of those are niches in themselves: at best you can call them topic areas in which you can find hundreds (or thousands) of niches. For another, what does "most profitable" even mean? Most profitable for whom? Under what circumstances? Using which criteria? Last I checked the biggest companies in the world were Apple, ExxonMobile, Microsoft and Google. None of these companies is primarily focused on MMO, porn, or health and fitness. Moreover, a quick look at the Financial Times 500 will find exactly zero MMO, porn or fitness companies. Zero.

Sure I understand that most people here aren't going to start drilling for oil or developing next generation consumer hardware. So then browse through Alexa (true it's flawed, but it's still useful) and tell me how many MMO, porn, or fitness sites are in their top 10 sites? Top 25? Top 100? Top 1000? Very, very few. Even the WarriorForum only sold for about $3.2 million. That may sound like a lot, but consider that GoodReads sold to Amazon.com for about $150 million -- and that's a site that earned most of its revenue as an Amazon affiliate pushing products that only cost $10 - $20. Does this mean books is "the most profitable" niche? Hogwash.

So if it's not traffic and it's not the actual amount a business is worth, what then is your criteria "most profitable niches" for people who have no skills, no talent, no initiative, no ability to think for themselves, but do have $7 to buy your WSO? Please enlighten me.

This is exactly right. The truth is that there is no such thing as a "most profitable" niche. What's most profitable depends on the business owner's own skills, talents and interests. And as you rightly point out the OP (by his own admission) has few -- if any -- that relate to MMO. Most likely he'd be far better off pursuing a business model that's more suited to the skills, talents and interests that he actually does have rather than trusting some cockamamie theories about where there's money to be made online.

I agree and am not bashing these guys at all.

What I don't like, though, is inconsistency or lack of principles. If we put these guys up on a pedestal, as many do, yet at the same time bash those that want to do the same things our "heros" did, there is something wrong with that in my mind. A big disconnect - it doesn't match up.

And the second point is that when we push people away from MMO (and we probably should most of the time) because of their inexperience and we tell them to go sell a weight loss thing or whatever where there is no experience either - again there is a big inconsistency there.

Mark

This is exactly what I was referring to above.

No mention of having to train 42 (insert #) parakeets BEFORE opening the site.
Find something that interests you and is profitable - nothing about knowing anything about it.
People buy PLR, many times, because they have no clue about a topic.

So why, why, why is it okay to do this to the parakeet, weight loss, catching more bass, crocheting, or gas saving markets/niches and not okay to do it in the MMO arena???

Mark

sounds like you need to step up your game.
remember roughly 90 percent quit, fail or just lie.
10 percent are making it out of that 5 percent are going to be used to the money and achieve some mastery.

I say all that most with advice are full of it.

work with your methods until you can make a living income from them and then start rolling out your own products. you could also roll out your own products while you work out the kinks.