Do I need a coach to truly succeed?

But it's the coaches that write that sort of thing.
Save your money. Don't become another victim.

If it's a good coach it will cost much more than $2000.

But, that's a lot of money to spend if you have it. Why not use that money to build a list of 5000 people....

Thanks for the replies!

I just feel like I'm getting no where and having someone that has already found success to help me, would get me to where I want to be much quicker.

I don't know, I guess I'm just 'stuck' at the minute.

I will keep working my ass off though!

I also know where you are coming from and I to worked very hard and seemed to get no where. I finally realized my problem. It was not about working hard, it was about focus. That is where a coach comes into play. Now I am not talking about all coaches. I had a couple of them also that were not that helpful. But now that I found a good one, and yes it cost money , but I am focussed and getting somewhere. One of the first things I was asked to do is drop all of what I was going in circles doing and focus on the one thing being thought for 60 days and I would see success. That is what I am doing now and I feel much more productive.

I personally don't believe someone should ever get a "coach" until they're already succeeding.

In business, you have multiple mentors along the way, in many different areas. You don't start off with those mentors, they kind of just fall into your life as you build your own experience.

The same applies with coaching, there are a lot of things that you would need to already have setup and experienced before seeing any benefit from a coach. You can also tell who is legitimate and who isn't once you have a certain level of experience.

I don't think it's necessary if you have enough time to learn yourself and find the information you need to succeed.

Sometimes a coach can be the right direction because they can help you with the steps necessary to meet your goals, they've been there, done that, type of thing.

It reminds me of a great story:

As for finding a coach that charges less than $2,000; I think all you have to do is reach out to the coaches of your choice and talk to them, let them know what you want to do, and see if they can help.
I know myself, I'm here to help so I make deals with people for coaching especially if they're already pretty savvy and just need a bit of direction and done-for-you services.

As for some of the replies about coaches.

There's a reason why consulting and coaching is a billion dollar industry, because there's a definite need for it in the market.
Coaches and Consultants are a different type of person, they enjoy helping others using their experience and knowledge, often coaches and consultants are better at helping others than they are at helping themselves because they jump from thing to thing learning as much as they can and when they get a client, they use that drive to get people results, it gives them a direction, a goal, a project they can feel passionate about because of their inner nature to want to help others.

By the sounds of it, you're going in the right direction. It can be hard to balance school/work and your desires to make money online, because it requires a lot of work and sacrifice. Getting home from school or work; where you spent 8-10 hours only to come home and spend another 8-10 hours working on your goals for online success doesn't leave you much time for socializing, family, hobbies (unless you connect your online goals with your hobbies) and most people give up because they can't handle the sacrifice.

Don't give up, your hard work IS going to pay off, just keep at it, regardless of getting a coach or not, you know you're missing a step or missing something that's crucial for your success, just find out where you need to tap

I believe, You have time to learn and implement some systems to make your first flow of consistent income and then after some specific skills you can hire a coach in the future.

The major benefit of having a coach is consistency of work and commitment towards a focused action towards a single goal at a time....if you can achieve that by yourself then you can achieve that success by yourself...

Other than that I agree with above comment that if you have that money with you to invest...then the best investment will be to invest in building a large list

well, there are different types of coaches. many in the MMO market call it coaching and its really essentially just a "buy in fee" to be part of a group that can help you get affiliates and trade testimonials and that sorta stuff. the idea of coaching in the MMO is far different from real world consulting

personally, i dont really suggest most people spend big money on a coach. I do however think you need to work out what your plan is and run that by some people with more experience than you long before you spend weeks or months implementing such a plan.

many of us do that sorta stuff for free quite a bit on WF to be honest. some will charge a modest fee for slightly more personalized advice that is directed at your situation and requires more than a few paragraphs of analysis via a forum post.

i have been around a while, and i can safely say there are very few "coaches" in the MMO market that i would be able to recommend to a relative. (well, a relative i liked anyway...lol)

I not only recommend it, I see it as being NEEDED, if you want to get anywhere online.

Paul,

Rule #1: Don't believe everything you read.

Do you understand why people in the "make money" market are anxious for every new marketer to jump in with both feet and buy every product and coaching opportunity there is? More money for them!

Just like some football players couldn't make a basket or swing a golf club to save their lives . . . you need to take advice from someone who is an expert at what you want to learn. Experts are often good in one specialization and they are often not coaches - they're too busy making money in their chosen business model.

I would look for a marketer that is proven in his/her specialization, get on their mailing list, study their web site, and if they have a product or service that teaches what they are doing - that's what I would buy.

I think coaches are most helpful once you've found your niche and are experienced enough to ask the right questions. A coach can help you over hurdles and teach you how to scale your business once you've done all the basics.

If you start from scratch with a coach, you're going to be paying heavily to learn the very basics which are freely available on this forum.

Steve

In one word YES coach mentor what ever it takes invest in yourself best money you can spend

Thanks everyone! It's really good to hear everyone's opinion!

For the past 6 months, I feel like I've learned a ton (I even have a product launch soon). Although I've learned a ton, I'm really struggling to make money consistently. That's all I want. To be able to make money each month COBSISTENTLY. <-my goal

This is exactly why I am creating a product gear towards combining Information Technology and Internet Marketing. Being in the IT world as a software engineer / architect. It has taught me to see the big picture and how to put things together.

For example: Things like knowing how to put together Use Case Diagrams are critical to any venture that involves technology. Any project is all about vision. Can you put your vision on paper. Then put together a plan to execute that vision. Being on the inside of different companies in an IT role has helped a ton!!!

Mark

It's usually the Gurus who want you to believe this kind of stuff.

Is it really true?

Well I believe that in order for you to become successful you will need a coach to help you succeed.

But a coach doesn't necessarily have to be some Guru with extraordinary results that you have to pay and work one on one with.

• A coach can be a community of like minded entrepreneurs (just like right here on WF).
  
• A coach can be a great course that you bought and gives you tremendous value.
  
• A coach can be a 'system' that you plug into (that has an awesome community) and teaches you one on one how this industry works and offers some type of curriculum and further knowledge.

Now with all that said and done, I actually had 3 coaches to date since 2005.

I didn't pay them some kind of fee but did buy into a biz opp that they were selling.

The last coach that I encountered turned out to become a good friend. Something that started as a business venture turned out to be a 9 year friendly relationship.

I still speak to him 'weekly' and he doesn't charge me one cent. However, I do pass up sales to him (and feel 100% great about doing that).

However, too many new up coming marketers do make the mistake of 'expecting' too much from a coach.

Most people figure that it's some kind of short cut to success by finding a good coach.

In truth....

There is no short cut to your success.

You will have to work your ass off (especially in the beginning) just to start getting momentum in your business.

You will also have to learn by trial and error. This will cost you time and money. It is inevitable.

But you already managed to make $500. Yes it did cost you double but you still managed to get some kind of return.

Good for you!

Some people who don't understand IM would think that is some kind of failure.

But it really isn't.

If you probably made a few 'tweaks' in what ever you did, maybe you could have 'tripled' your ad spend in profit.

If you can't make money on your own, your not going to get far with IM. Your in the hole $500 already, adding $2,000 more is just digging deeper.

Focus on learning how to generate targeted traffic, that's the key to online success.

Paul,

No, I don't think you need a coach. Based on what you said, I think you can on your own find and test out the answers to the following questions:

• What did you exactly do to invest $1,000 and earn $500? Identify all relevant inputs, its moving parts to process those inputs, and everything else that has significant effects to its output ...

• Are there ways where you can lower your $1,000 investment down to say at least $400, and still potentially earn $500 gross? An idea is to cut down your investment overheads by finding and testing more inexpensive suppliers of services and materials and everything else involved in that investment ...

• Are there ways where you could possibly earn more profits from the same investment? Perhaps find other markets that'd willingly buy whatever you're selling at higher prices once you re-package whatever you're selling in the right ways for those new markets, sell other things to the same people who bought whatever you're selling, sell whatever you're selling now at higher prices to the same market by re-packaging it, etc.

• After you test out those ways, what do your results show? If your results are good enough to turn a significant profit, then can you repeat those ways that generate the results you want multiple times across the same industry, or throughout different industries? Can you scale up those results by doubling your investment so as to potentially double your profits?

Some people like coaching, some not.
Some coaches are great, some not.
Some are very expensive but they do not have to be.

Some people have success without it, a lot do not!

You have had some success already so you have a lot going for you. But sometimes to get to the next level it is great to work with someone that has made the journey. You can benefit from their experience and contacts. You can also condense time frames. Personally coaching has been one of the best things I have done. It is great to really work with someone that knows their craft, someone that has your back and you can go to with your specific questions.

If you are going that route start looking at the coaches who are advertising on the WF. See who you resonate with. Do you like their methods? Are they reputable? Have they been around a while and stood the test of time?

Then ask questions. What exactly does their coaching program consist of? What methods are they going to cover? Is it structured? Do they have a plan? or are they just their to answer email? Ask until you are satisfied and never spend more than you are comfortable spending!

Anything you want to find out about marketing you could probably find in the forum or on Google for free... If you had $2000 to invest, I would recommend using at least half on Facebook or Bing ads and keep tweaking your ads until you are making twice what you are spending. Sounds like traffic is your biggest problem right now and if you have already made $500 it at least sounds like you are on the right track. I have been using YouTube and social media quite a bit myself and if you can make some good videos they are a great way to get a ton of traffic and great backlinks as well. I have made 70 videos so far and would one day like to have a 1000 or so and this sounds like a great plan for you too. The best part is you can make money from placing ads on them as well

Everybody needs a coach / mentor at some point.

Who that is and what they know you will have to do your research

A good coach will cut through all the BS and give you a positive direction.

Just my take.

MB